Topic: Betnomi | Project status & Refund Plan! - page 13. (Read 6529 times)

Sorsis told me personally in Telegram he would start refunding "right now", and he told this on Feb 7th (have not chatted after that though).
He said I would have to wait up until 5 weeks because my amount is larger than most.
I don't believe it until I see it, so since February 7th is now 2,5 weeks ago can ANYONE please report if they have received any payment yet?

It looks like this Basebet.io is a serious project so they cannot afford to have this non-payment situation hanging above it I would think.

I believe the best start for your new "basebet" project, would be to address and send out all submitted refunds first and as fast as possible considering the delay already, to address any questions related to Betnomi first, to make damaged customers roughly whole, come forward with an explanation why Betnomi went down like that and why that should be different for your new project (I remember for Betnomi, it was promised as well that NOW, issues will be solved but in realily, issues got worse step by step).
I don't want to sound pessimistic but we have February already, weeks of silence about any refund status, no positive news of refunds yet but out of nowhere, a new site with very similar layout like Betnomi is presented. I can understand when people here are not amused about it.

I'm curious as well but surprisingly Betnomi hasn't had any gamblers from Bitcointalk gambling with USDT / USDC stablecoins. 

If they could just pay their obligation to people for sure there will be no question ask regarding on their plans or they are just trying to do phising scam to those people still hoping to get a refund. Posting like that is not really help since to many doubts will rise since people might doubt their intention about posting such word here.

If they don't talk or execute those refunds much better for people to ignore what they release so that they can stay away to get compromised for second time again since its hard to get stress for something that hard to recover.

But still lets see if there's still hope for people to get this refund from them.

And that should raise a question on the purpose of that site. They'll have new brand, so the web address will likely changed to reflect the new name, they'll have new UI [complete redesign], basically everything will be new. And as the license is also not valid, then the site is clearly didn't serve a purpose of "showing" their license. So why bother having a "test site" that will be completely different from the one being launched in the future? What to test? Unless the one being tested is cryptocommunity's reaction?

I believe it's a legit question to be asked, betnomi?

OK, but than you also have to provide proof about history of Betnomi and where did you go for months without a word.
We want to see all information about your partners and you need to explain why I and all other players received numerous phishing scam emails connected with Betnomi account only!
I think this is a fair offer, and since you say that you are public figure this wont be hard for you.
I cant wait to see report from you.

I understand your excuses point of view, but this is not how this works. If you had money to initiate a new project, i really fail to understand why can't you start refunding people. As per your claim, the refunding process already started but I did not find anyone here sharing that he has been refunded.

Also, don't take it personally to anyone, its everyone who is complaining here and not just one or two people, hope you understand the situation better.



I will advise you to delay the launch of this project until you refund everyone and resolve this accusation against you. The reason is that if you put the BaseBet project Live, without settling the previous issues, you may find a big failure in your new project. No one will be willing to touch the new project, if they know the previous one was a scam.

Or it's better to clean up this mess first before releasing your new project.

I mean, you still have a mess in here. Missing and not giving some update for people who are requesting refunded, and suddenly you are trying to create a new project/platform before finishing this problem first.

It's kinda bullshit for me, we don't care you are releasing new platform. Clean up these mess first, then move on the next you want do (new platform) or other things. No one is have been speak they're receive the money even the telegram you are restricted all message ~LOL.

These can only be your words, we haven't seen a single user here who confirmed it. Until then, ^{for obvious reasons}, your word will not be taken.


Honestly, this excuse is BS


We have a conversation here as well, but somehow you are absent from it and do not give concrete answers.

Lol! Well said. The dude is on some sort of trip since he actually feels that they don't deserve to be criticised in this manner after everything that they did in the last couple of months. Weird!

It's possible. I was simply referring to their situation at present which does look pretty bleak all things considered.

Was it easy for you to disappear with a player's funds, without any explanation, and then to come back after 6 months and think we should all act like nothing has happened? Where is the reasoning and logic behind your actions?

It's silly to announce new projects when many people wait for the refund for months... What are the chances of doing something similar with your next project?
You could have handled this situation much better, and instead of being transparent and open with your players, you chose to hide and attack anyone who criticized you.

I thought exactly the same thing when I read Betnomi has alledgely refunded their funds to those gamblers who had balance in establecoins. It is kind of strange not a single person has decided to post proof of those refund here in the forum. Though, if we are reasonable, each person has the right to whether voluntarily or not to share their refund here, I could see some people simply taking the money and not commenting.
On the other hand, it would be helpful for the credibility of Betnomi and this process if they at least provided information of the transactions in the Blockchain for anyone here to verify what is actually going on.

By the way, even when decentralized casinos and services are not popular yet, that could change in a few years. I have personally found impressive what people is able to do on Telegram, even though it is not completely decentralized.

The dummy website is showing fake license information. The company 'BaseOnline N.V.' isn't registered under the Curacao gambling operator yet.

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Why are talking about the change of crypto price now? User had their funds in crypto on your casino. You are withholding the funds of the users for more than 7 months. You had to pay the user in the original value in USD if the crypto price went down, because you are unethically withholding their funds. On the other hand, you have to pay them in original crypto amount by ignoring the price change now. And the reason is same, you are unethically withholding the funds.

Accusations with no basis! Well, it makes sense here. It was the fault of the victims to choose Betnomi to place bets with their money. They wouldn't get scammed and their funds wouldn't have been stuck for years if they avoided the 'legit casino Betnomi', isn’t it?

Yes, actually this interaction and communication is also necessary for anyone who monitors the development of this thread regarding user refunds, sometimes there are still people who ask whether it has been distributed or not, it's important for the OP to come to clarify it so that there aren't too many doubts from the community too, maybe that's what What many people hope for is openness because there is still no one who claims to have received their money in full. because I'm not a victim so I also can't comment too excessively.

If we discuss the value of coins for users who have coins at that time, it should really be better to replace them with stable coins according to the price when the betnomi site was closed, but it all also comes back to the agreement between the users holding the coins, whether they will receive enough if they are paid with stable coins. USDT/USDC corresponds to the coin price at closing, sometimes it is not easy to reach that agreement so Betnomi may have difficulty with this problem, but I hope that this problem is also resolved soon and all users who feel disadvantaged can get their money back soon.

Rebrand? As in the new name will not be basebet anymore? Why is that? And what about its license? It'll still have GC's sub-license?

As for the refund process, I am a bit confused. I thought you previously said that the amount to be refunded is small, were these small amount left on the platform consisted of so many users?

Why hasn't a single person posted about their refund experience in this thread within this forum op since you clearly mentioned that some of them were refunded already(USDT/USDC)?

Also, even if you successfully regain the trust of most gamblers, you will definitely have a tough time with your new project since decentralised sites are rarely successful in the crypto world.

I'm sure your this reply was very needed to motivate the ones who thought that they might not receive the refunds. It's crucial to be active on this thread and share updates from time to time so the players or victims and this forum users can be assure that Betnomi is going to refund all those who were affected back then. It would be much better if you can share some of the refunds that you have sent or some of those players may come here and share their refunds with us so the others can be convinced that they will receive their money.

I suggest you to refund the players at that time's dollar rate instead of refunding them at current dates crypto-currency or Bitcoin rate and I'm sure the ones who get refund even at dollar rates won't mind. They simply want to get what they had on the platform and they don't really care that even Bitcoin went to $44k or anything else, I suggest you to refund them in dollar rate of that time.

As long they wont really be able to clear up their issues then this community wont really be giving out such approval that they are safe to deal with.People here on the community would really be giving out that
warning all the time that this site shouldnt really be able to deal with because of some running or current issues. I dont know on whats up into their minds that creating one without
even trying out to resolved their issue here. I wont be surprised that there would be no players that will really be playing into their platform.

Edit: So it seems we've been able to see their response above. 

There are some confusions and speculations ongoing regarding the refund and the status of our "New project."  As we have stated previously, all users will be 100% refunded. It is important to note that we are not simply refunding users the value of their assets at the time of the site's closing. The refund is being issued at the current market rate, about twice the original value since then. As anyone can imagine, this is a very difficult thing to do. If we were doing the rate at the time of the site closing, it would have been a straightforward process, and this issue would have been long closed if that were the case.

Also, to be clear, some refunds have already been issued. Users who had assets in stable coins (USDT/USDC) have already been issued a 100% refund. Again, the delays are due to the fact that we are looking to do the refund at the current market rate, which is something very uncommon but the right thing to do.

Regarding the persistent and casual scam accusations, I have heard enough of that and at this point, will simply ignore it moving forward. It has been more than four years of explaining the same thing over and over again. It is self-evident that these are mostly trolling, naivety, or outright ignorance.

I have been public and never anonymous. There was an unfortunate situation, and I came out to give a detailed explanation and proposed a remedy to the situation. Nonetheless, some people persist in making these silly accusations.

@efialtis, I personally have been ignoring you for a long time and tried not to respond to any of the name-calling and personal attacks, but I think it's long overdue that I call you out on your BS. Don't act like you are some kind of an angel. Perhaps you could explain to the community what caused you to start attacking us, because you were actively promoting us and always trying to get something from me for two straight years.

While you explain, it would be wise not to lie about anything, because I still have two years of our private chats, and you can delete them if you want (I screen recorded EVERYTHING!).

I am not in the business of personal attacks or playing childish games, but moving forward, I will not let people casually throw around accusations with no basis. If ANYONE has any kind of proof or evidence that I (personally) or Betnomi as a company scammed anyone, I am happy to debate and discuss any such assertions via Twitter Spaces or a Telegram voice chat any day, anytime. I have had to deal with this repeatedly for years.

It is the same nonsense that eroded the reputation of Betnomi from day one. Even before the platform was launched, it was called a scam based on conjecture, and that will not be the case moving forward. Unless anyone can definitively prove some kind of wrongdoing, this has to end.

The project "BaseBet" is a new project that I co-founded. It will be operating with our existing Casino software and with some upgrades to make it a true web3 platform with a smart contract interface where user funds will be non-custodial and completely under the users' control. That being said, what we have now is a demo, a "test net" of the platform. It is not operational, it does not accept any deposits, nor is any real money gameplay allowed. It is purely for demo and testing purposes as of now.

It will undergo a complete UI/UX redesign and rebrand, and further development work will be done before the official launch, which will take a few months. To summarize, it is not yet an active or a production website.

It is easy to type whatever you want and name call people with no reasoning or logic behind it. Again, if anyone wants to have a legitimate conversation or have questions about anything, I am happy to jump on a Twitter Space and clarify anything and everything.

It's better to discuss it in real time and prove your point if you have one.

No, it's exactly the same layout of the Betnomi site, the only difference is the logo. Nothing to do with Sportsbet.

Other than the positioning of register and sign-in button [which I think shared by many sites], I don't think it bears any resemblance to sportsbet, I think they're more similar... in an exact copy-paste with their former project. I dug an archived version of the site for reference and compare them as below:




Meanwhile sportsbet looks like this: