BFL: Chips have shipped, on their way to US - page 11.

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Quote from: Korbman on February 14, 2013, 08:30:57 AM

Quote from: repentance on February 14, 2013, 12:11:31 AM

Quote from: kev7112001 on February 14, 2013, 12:04:41 AM

well I ordered a BFL SC it added $114 tax on top of the 1299 but when I checked out it was not added is this a problem?

No, it's not a problem - it does that for everyone.

Not everyone. I haven't paid a tax on my orders, only $34 shipping. I've paid through both PayPal and Bitcoins...so maybe that makes a difference?

I think you misread Korbman - "it does that for everyone" meaning nobody pays for tax upon checkout.

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Quote from: repentance on February 14, 2013, 12:11:31 AM

Quote from: kev7112001 on February 14, 2013, 12:04:41 AM

well I ordered a BFL SC it added $114 tax on top of the 1299 but when I checked out it was not added is this a problem?

No, it's not a problem - it does that for everyone.

Not everyone. I haven't paid a tax on my orders, only $34 shipping. I've paid through both PayPal and Bitcoins...so maybe that makes a difference?

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Quote from: repentance on February 14, 2013, 12:11:31 AM

Quote from: kev7112001 on February 14, 2013, 12:04:41 AM

well I ordered a BFL SC it added $114 tax on top of the 1299 but when I checked out it was not added is this a problem?

No, it's not a problem - it does that for everyone. Be aware, though, that if you're not in the US you may have to pay taxes/duty to collect your unit when it arrives in the destination country.

I'm in the US so Im good then

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Quote from: kev7112001 on February 14, 2013, 12:04:41 AM

well I ordered a BFL SC it added $114 tax on top of the 1299 but when I checked out it was not added is this a problem?

No, it's not a problem - it does that for everyone. Be aware, though, that if you're not in the US you may have to pay taxes/duty to collect your unit when it arrives in the destination country.

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well I ordered a BFL SC it added $114 tax on top of the 1299 but when I checked out it was not added is this a problem?

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Quote from: SchmalzTech on February 13, 2013, 02:54:35 PM

Quote from: RoboCoder on February 13, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Because I am a complete noob when it comes to the low-level hardware production process...

I know that multiple chips are "placed" on a wafer.

What exactly is done at the bumping facility - is this the part where they put the chips in a "package" with the pins? or am i way off.

I would really like to understand the process so i can understand what the timeframe might be.

Thanks!

From what I understand, it is where they place solder (or similar substance) bumps on the pads on the edges of the silicon to prepare the die for packaging the chips.

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Quote from: Korbman on February 12, 2013, 05:26:13 PM

The arrival of ASICs will effectively lock many people out of mining and that has implications for Bitcoin as a whole.

True. I won't be mining (bitcoins) any time soon, and nor do I have any plans to.

All the shady ASIC companies can go f themselves as far as I'm concerned.

I don't even know why I still hang out in this sub forum. At one point I had 7 SC singles pre ordered, but they have long since been refunded.

I guess I just enjoy the soap opera..

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Quote from: RoboCoder on February 13, 2013, 01:42:57 PM

Because I am a complete noob when it comes to the low-level hardware production process...

I know that multiple chips are "placed" on a wafer.

What exactly is done at the bumping facility - is this the part where they put the chips in a "package" with the pins? or am i way off.

I would really like to understand the process so i can understand what the timeframe might be.

Thanks!

From what I understand, it is where they place solder (or similar substance) bumps on the pads on the edges of the silicon to prepare the die for packaging the chips.

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Because I am a complete noob when it comes to the low-level hardware production process...

I know that multiple chips are "placed" on a wafer.

What exactly is done at the bumping facility - is this the part where they put the chips in a "package" with the pins? or am i way off.

I would really like to understand the process so i can understand what the timeframe might be.

Thanks!

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Quote from: repentance on February 13, 2013, 12:57:38 AM

Quote from: The-Real-Link on February 12, 2013, 11:55:23 PM

Quote from: Inspector 2211 on February 12, 2013, 09:06:25 PM

Josh just updated his status thread: The chips have arrived at the bumping facility.

Bumping this to the new page so people can see it if they missed it.

The Bumping Facility should start processing the chips on the 14th. Whether that's due to a queue delay or something else, who knows. But they should be in and out soon enough and onto the next step.

Thank you. It is indeed confirmed on their update page. Thanks Josh.

Josh's recent posts have said that the earliest the bumping facility will process BFL's order is 14 February.

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We will hopefully hear from the bumping facility tonight or tomorrow with regards to them, but I do not expect any movement on it until the 14th at the earliest.

What's not clear is how any slip in the bumping facility schedule will affect the other steps. Josh said they'd give people at least 7 days notice to ship back their FPGAs, so that should happen in the next couple of days if they're going to meet the 22 February target date.

According to the timeline, FPGA tradeins will be notified when the final unit assembly and testing is underway.

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on February 13, 2013, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: repentance on February 13, 2013, 12:57:38 AM

What's not clear is how any slip in the bumping facility schedule will affect the other steps. Josh said they'd give people at least 7 days notice to ship back their FPGAs, so that should happen in the next couple of days if they're going to meet the 22 February target date.

I'm guessing that they're waiting for a chip to get to an engineer to perform functional tests.

I will do a destructive analysis on this as soon as someone gives me a failed chip

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Quote from: repentance on February 13, 2013, 12:57:38 AM

What's not clear is how any slip in the bumping facility schedule will affect the other steps. Josh said they'd give people at least 7 days notice to ship back their FPGAs, so that should happen in the next couple of days if they're going to meet the 22 February target date.

I'm guessing that they're waiting for a chip to get to an engineer to perform functional tests.

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Quote from: The-Real-Link on February 12, 2013, 11:55:23 PM

Quote from: Inspector 2211 on February 12, 2013, 09:06:25 PM

Josh just updated his status thread: The chips have arrived at the bumping facility.

Bumping this to the new page so people can see it if they missed it.

The Bumping Facility should start processing the chips on the 14th. Whether that's due to a queue delay or something else, who knows. But they should be in and out soon enough and onto the next step.

Thank you. It is indeed confirmed on their update page. Thanks Josh.

Josh's recent posts have said that the earliest the bumping facility will process BFL's order is 14 February.

Quote

We will hopefully hear from the bumping facility tonight or tomorrow with regards to them, but I do not expect any movement on it until the 14th at the earliest.

What's not clear is how any slip in the bumping facility schedule will affect the other steps. Josh said they'd give people at least 7 days notice to ship back their FPGAs, so that should happen in the next couple of days if they're going to meet the 22 February target date.

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Quote from: Inspector 2211 on February 12, 2013, 09:06:25 PM

Josh just updated his status thread: The chips have arrived at the bumping facility.

Bumping this to the new page so people can see it if they missed it.

The Bumping Facility should start processing the chips on the 14th. Whether that's due to a queue delay or something else, who knows. But they should be in and out soon enough and onto the next step.

Thank you. It is indeed confirmed on their update page. Thanks Josh.

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Aren't they merely giving some early investors a discount on future purchases? If so isn't this also of diminishing value given the lengthy delays that have allowed Avalon to ship first, and someone(likely ASICMiner) to get 1.1TH+ hashing ahead of them?

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I had skin in BFLs game and when I saw Foundry/Garzik get those beasts I was mad as hell. Hey, I just misplaced over 200BTC for what - to see another company beat me to the punch. And then they were getting ready to offer a second batch. Man did I really feel bent over. Then comes the news that supposedly we will be getting our unicorn blood made machines and now all is right.... no wait, I now need to bitch about others.

You don't see people with 09/12/12 orders complaining that people with 09/28/12 orders had to pay less in BTC because the BTC exchange rate went up. Do people who buy rookie year cards after some sports figure authority becomes famous complain that others got said card cheaper.

BFL is choosing to reward those who got in very early. Why not bitch that the FPGA hashers are getting an unfair advantage because they were able to hash more with their devices and recoup more of their investment. Unfortunately they need to draw the line with the goodies somewhere. Are people going to bitch if the September + orders end up fixing a glitch seen in the early releases? What if they hash better?

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Point is, they (BFL) short changed and shafted their customers. Giving discounts to some and a big FU to the September till now customers.

You don't have to be a genius to see that.

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Josh just updated his status thread: The chips have arrived at the bumping facility.

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Maybe it would be better if josh sticks to arguing about how much Electricity he has save you by not shipping early....... even tie it into something about saving the Whales, Everybody loves whales (except maybe the Japanese).

The block halving is basically irrelevant... the fact is that people were promised delivery, so for some people there has been a loss of income based on the fact that they have not been mining... even worse are the people who sold their equipment ready for BFL.

Let us also not forget that Fantasy boy has NOT EVEN delivered any kit yet, but is already moving onto his next project of corporate mining.......

Unacceptable

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Quote from: Beyondo on February 12, 2013, 08:02:21 PM

Quote from: CoinHoarder on February 12, 2013, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: repentance on February 12, 2013, 05:23:41 PM

Josh has actually explained BFL's reasoning on doing it this way. Essentially, it's that the people who ordered in the first two months are being compensated for not having their units before the block reward halved. He maintains that customers who ordered later will be no more disadvantaged than they would have been had BFL delivered on time (because the block reward would have halved by the time they got their units and difficulty would have increased after the shipping of the first batch of orders anyway).

I read their reasoning, it still makes little sense, later customers were screwed just as much.

How are later customers not effected by BFL delaying 4 months? They would have had their ASIC already if they started shipping in October like they were supposed to. Because of their mistakes, there will now be hundreds of Avalon ASICs released before later customers even get their ASIC, thus increasing difficulty and costing them each money (maybe about 2 months of avalon-free network profits.)

EDIT: You guys are first two month order holders, making you biased. I on the other hand have no orders from BFL at the moment. If I was a later BFL customer I would be pissed.

Were you ordering in the confusion on day 1? No? So you didn't understand the frenzy and worry that people had. Everybody moved their $ into BTC so they could pay. I didn't even bother to fuck around with Dwolla/MtGox which was having 1 month delays at some point. I just paid a flat 209 BTC for an SC Single - which now is the equivalent of $25x208 - that's over $5k. Sure many say you count the hedge, but at that time BTC was the only payment they said they would take on day #1. After a couple days people were able to pay with wire payments but even that was confusing as to whether payment date or order date would count as purchase time.

I tried to get into the clusterfuck that was Avalon both times and failed.

Why not complain about those who mined thousands of coins with CPUs back in the day...

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It's not our or BFL's fault you didn't get to order in the first month or 2................We should be rewarded for our patience & sacrifice Tongue

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