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May 31, 2014, 11:06:05 PM
Looks like you made another "friend" Bick!!!!   Cheesy

Did I?

Aww how cute.

The only reason for the hate filled drip from Pokokohua!-1278 is the truth is too hard for BFL to accept. I love how he begs for BFL to end the contest, asks others to give him positive trust. He wants BFL to draw for the "Monarch" because his "name" is getting slammed here in Trust on this forum. Oh the IRONY one can taste the just rewards for his own stupidity from here.

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Let us bottomline the debate for the guy.


S2 - 1 Th/s can be purchased right now and delivered immediately for $3,099.

SP10 - 1.4 Th/s can be purchased right now and delivered or hosted immediately for $2,795.00.

Monarch can not be delivered or hosted now at any price.

So in conclusion do not buy BFL or get hosting at EclispsMC, in fact do everyone a favor stop mining at EclipseMC all together.

And as added bonus SpondooliesTech is developing a chip that is 0.1 w/ghs  and costs $0.2 gh/s. When evaluating anything BFL and their friends might actually have a debate on the facts as opposed the hate speech that they think passes as human communication.
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May 31, 2014, 10:25:25 PM
Looks like you made another "friend" Bick!!!!   Cheesy
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May 31, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
lol so they still haven't delivered this? Wasn't it supposed to be like in February delivery lol?

sooo bad to them and the people that trusted him to deliver.

Let me guess no way to make profit now?

It was due in December 2013 and there was no way to make a profit in January 2014 if it was late. No matter the promises and the compensation they are "willing" to provide this design is a loser in so many ways.

Don't forget you have to pay for a few extras like the psu, host computer, fire extinguisher and the small subsidy through burn-in to pay for Josh's and Sonny's McMansions.

This card is a dog no matter how you slice it. If you just give up and buy an S1 you would be better off than waiting many many many months more for something that actually works. Don't walk away from BFL RUN!

Why is BFL losing to the competition?

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Technical update

With a successful tapeout behind us, we can now safely update the SP30 specs.
We're happy to announce that the SP30 will be able to hash at 6 TH/s, with an
efficiency of 0.46 W/GH/s. This is a new industry standard never seen before,
and the lowest price-to-performance ratio in the market!

While people are getting the Monarch... most people will be getting something a lot better. More POWER for LESS.


All the personal attacks against me means for me to work harder and longer at getting this simple message out. Eclipse Mining Consortium and BFL are not good for Bitcoin and as any customer of BFL knows it is just disappointment after disappointment. Return customer rates for BFL are the lowest in the industry for a good reason.
Darin M. Bicknell, 95% of your posts are personal attacks, still weaseling out when asked 4 times in a row for proof for your shill- and alt accounts accusations, and in the meantime you are shilling for Spoondolies yourself for a discount. So it's highly likely you are having alt accounts here yourself, but now to prop up your own wasp fantasy thread which seems pretty dead without those.
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May 31, 2014, 02:48:47 PM
If you are still considering mining... sure those are worth looking at as they have stock and ship same day or check group buys https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=137.0 as you might find cheaper prices. Bitmain https://www.bitmaintech.com/  and Spondoolies http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/.
What's the big advantage of a group buy?

Find the right one at the right time... cheaper hardware. But be careful. Check the GB leader before investing anything see if they have run successful GB's before.
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May 31, 2014, 12:29:43 PM
If you are still considering mining... sure those are worth looking at as they have stock and ship same day or check group buys https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=137.0 as you might find cheaper prices. Bitmain https://www.bitmaintech.com/  and Spondoolies http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/.
What's the big advantage of a group buy?
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May 31, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
If you are still considering mining... sure those are worth looking at as they have stock and ship same day or check group buys https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=137.0 as you might find cheaper prices. Bitmain https://www.bitmaintech.com/  and Spondoolies http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/.
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May 31, 2014, 12:13:41 PM
Thanx guys, appreciate the help a lot, will be using it if I find it necessary, but going to wait 1 more week for asking the refund. What are you guys suggesting for best hardware to buy with the 3k I'll be getting back from BFL? Spondoolies-Tech, Antminer,...?
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May 31, 2014, 11:11:28 AM
Do not have to be a US citizen to get justice.

Good luck.

USA v Vleisides Transcript

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Q. And similar to what we talked about before, is ButterflyLabs keeping
its customers apprised of its progress in that regard?

A. Yes. I think, you know, we had a newsletter that was just recently released
to anyone who's ordered from us before advising them of the status of the
current product.

Q. Okay. So, in other words, they're not hiding from the product, that they are
trying to address it actively?

A. Yes.

Judge:  But if I find out that there is this fraud word involved in this part,
you know, Mr. Vleisides, as we say here at the courthouse, you need to
get your toothbrush and get your things in order,  because fraud will not be
tolerated, you understand that? So I would work very hard to make these
consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with.

I hope Butterfly Labs is a legitimate company that enjoys success. But
there's a smell, and that's what I'm addressing today.

Over a year later and we still have to let people know you are NOT required to wait for a refund. Do not believe what BFL tells you are the terms they are counter to FTC regulations. The miner may have changed but this time Sonny V. has to refund or face jail. It is in your best interesting to request a refund now and explain clearly to BFL you will be reporting it to his probation officer.

Let's run this up the flagpole.  Is Butterfly labs breaking any known American federal or state laws?  


I'm wondering about:

Technology Export Laws
Mail or mail order fraud (Like the ?founder? appears to have plead guilty to)
Uniform Commercial Code
Money printing machine laws
FCC (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2622757)
other


This is in response to the long running thread here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/re-butterfly-labs-ceo-25-million-usd-mail-fraud-a-concise-summary-of-evidence-110805





Since they have stopped issuing refunds it certainly appears to me (IANAL) they are at least breaking FTC regulations.  It would seem that UNTIL the product is physically shipped a customer has the right to cancel their order (for ANY reason) and the company MUST issue a prompt refund.  

Below is quoted from the link at the FTC site (bolded is mine)

When You Must Cancel an Order

You must cancel an order and provide a prompt refund when:
•the customer exercises any option to cancel before you ship the merchandise;
•the customer does not respond to your first notice of a definite revised shipment date of 30 days or less and you have not shipped the merchandise or received the customer’s consent to a further delay by the definite revised shipment date;
•the customer does not respond to your notice of a definite revised shipment date of more than 30 days (or your notice that you are unable to provide a definite revised shipment date) and you have not shipped the merchandise within 30 days of the original shipment date;
•the customer consents to a definite delay and you have not shipped or obtained the customer’s consent to any additional delay by the shipment time the customer consented to;
•you have not shipped or provided the required delay or renewed option notices on time; or
•you determine that you will never be able to ship the merchandise.

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule



Public Service Announcement:

If you have ordered from Butterfly Labs (BFL) and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).

First ask Butterfly Labs (BFL) for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.

If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with Butterfly Labs (BFL) to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises.

There are also several threads on how to get a refund from Butterfly Labs (BFL), here are two:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yes-you-can-get-a-refund-from-bfl-266945
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/butterfly-labs-did-everything-they-could-to-make-getting-a-refund-impossible-272585

legendary
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May 31, 2014, 11:11:19 AM
According to FTC rules you do not have to wait for a refund.

Don't let them screw you over.

2 options.

1. Report they are not refunding you to Sonny V's probation officer.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

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Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this
same executive. A federal judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in
question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of his probation in the
lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated
to end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years.


2. Join the class action lawsuit here.

I'm not going to do that yet, as I'm also not a US citizen...

That won't matter. The FTC is enforcing rules that BFL is supposed to follow, it doesn't matter where there customers are. The probation officer is enforcing rules Sonny is supposed to follow (e.g. don't rip people off anymore).
You don't need to be a US citizen in order to join the class action.
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May 31, 2014, 11:07:30 AM
According to FTC rules you do not have to wait for a refund.

Don't let them screw you over.

2 options.

1. Report they are not refunding you to Sonny V's probation officer.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

Code:
Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this
same executive. A federal judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in
question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of his probation in the
lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated
to end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years.


2. Join the class action lawsuit here.

I'm not going to do that yet, as I'm also not a US citizen...
hero member
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May 31, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
According to FTC rules you do not have to wait for a refund.

Don't let them screw you over.

2 options.

1. Report they are not refunding you to Sonny V's probation officer.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

Code:
Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this
same executive. A federal judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in
question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of his probation in the
lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated
to end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years.


2. Join the class action lawsuit here.
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May 31, 2014, 10:28:53 AM
Josh is about to post a video of the 600GH/s Monarch actually hashing, hooray, finally! (:

When will they ship it?

No hooray for anyone waiting.

probably same answer as always, in about two weeks or 10-12 days, as it is still flexible, lol
No I really don't know, my estimate? 1 month from now at least, probably 1.5 months - 2 months is more likely. But does that really matter anymore?

Get a refund and get something that actually works. Like a Bitmain S2 shipping from stock or an SP10 that is 1.4 Th/s and you don't need to wait until August. If you haven't tried for a refund yet you deserve to wait another 2 months. 16 months of development still nothing shipping scary. In the same time frame SpondooliesTech has stuff on the shelf and they are already working on the 2nd and 3rd gen and a scrypt chip!

LOL... BFL so funny.

I'm not eligible for a refund yet, and yes, probably getting one when I can, which is on June 30.
It is kinda funny that other companies work so fast, without any major issues, and BFL is stuck on some silly PCB design, oh well, I lost my faith a while ago.. I don't really care anymore, what could I do? At the time I bought the Monarch, it was one of the best deals out there. At that time...
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May 31, 2014, 10:25:09 AM
Josh is about to post a video of the 600GH/s Monarch actually hashing, hooray, finally! (:

When will they ship it?

No hooray for anyone waiting.

probably same answer as always, in about two weeks or 10-12 days, as it is still flexible, lol
No I really don't know, my estimate? 1 month from now at least, probably 1.5 months - 2 months is more likely. But does that really matter anymore?

Get a refund and get something that actually works. Like a Bitmain S2 shipping from stock or an SP10 that is 1.4 Th/s and you don't need to wait until August. If you haven't tried for a refund yet you deserve to wait another 2 months. 16 months of development still nothing shipping scary. In the same time frame SpondooliesTech has stuff on the shelf and they are already working on the 2nd and 3rd gen and a scrypt chip!

LOL... BFL so funny.

Reason why BFL finishing the Monarch doesn't matter anymore.

Code:
Scott Fargo: I greatly respect companies like yours
that deliver on time‏ and do not do drawn out pre-orders that
never deliver as Butterfly Labs and KNC.

Guy:  We do take pre-orders for the 2nd gen, but we 100%
we’ll deliver on time and on spec.‏
We are using the same engine, just doing process shrink.
We won’t take pre-orders for the 3rd gen‏ since its higher risk
– a completely redesigned engine. We are taping out this week.‏
0.34 W/GHs at the ASIC level‏
0.43 W/GHs at the system level‏ both on the ASIC and on
the System level‏
Very efficient DC2DC design‏ 28nm‏ not 20nm :)‏
We’re manufacturing at Flextronics Israel‏.
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May 31, 2014, 10:18:24 AM
Josh is about to post a video of the 600GH/s Monarch actually hashing, hooray, finally! (:

When will they ship it?

No hooray for anyone waiting.

probably same answer as always, in about two weeks or 10-12 days, as it is still flexible, lol
No I really don't know, my estimate? 1 month from now at least, probably 1.5 months - 2 months is more likely. But does that really matter anymore?
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May 31, 2014, 10:15:41 AM
Josh is about to post a video of the 600GH/s Monarch actually hashing, hooray, finally! (:

When will they ship it?

No hooray for anyone waiting.
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May 31, 2014, 10:08:35 AM
Josh is about to post a video of the 600GH/s Monarch actually hashing, hooray, finally! (:
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May 31, 2014, 07:07:51 AM
I stupidly accepted the free Imperial upgrade (plus 600GHs Monarch at the end of the queue) for my August 17th 65nm conversion order for a 600GHs. So that order is trapped for 6 months from the time of the upgrade.

Step 1) Ask for a refund because they have not shipped the goods they sold you months ago
Step 2) Watch BFL refuse to refund your order
Step 3) File and appear in your local small claims court and explain to the judge that BFL sold you merchandise but never delivered it
Step 4) Judge rules in your favor for two reasons, first BFL did not show up, second the law is on your side
Step 5) Tell BFL you now have a court judgement mandating a refund, would they like to fight it or just give you your money
Step 6) Report back here with BFL's reponse.

1 small problem to your list:

Quote
Who Can Sue And Be Sued?
 Any individual, business, partnership, or corporation (with a couple of exceptions) may bring a small claims suit for recovery of money only for an amount up to $5,000.
 In general, the claim must be filed in the district court of the county in which the defendant(s) reside.
 

While the amount varies from state to state, the highlighted portion tends to remain the same.

That quote was from a document describing how residents of the state of Washington bring small claims.
http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/resources/brochure_scc/smallclaims.doc

From http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter21-7.html
If, however, the person or business regularly transacts with Internet customers in your state, then you should be able to bring your lawsuit in your local small claims court. In the context of Internet transactions, what does it mean to "regularly do business" in a state? The courts are actively discussing this issue, and different judges have different opinions, but here are some basic guidelines:

Does the website conduct direct sales over the Internet (versus referring customers to offline distributors, retail stores, or other resellers)? (yes)
At the time of the transaction, did the person or business know what state you were a resident of–for example, did you fill out a form with your address or have a package shipped to you? (almost certainly)
Does the person or business do a lot of business with state residents? (for large states, yes)
Does the person or business have any offices or employees in-state, even though its main "location" is on the Internet? (probably no)
Does the person or business send employees or agents into your state to conduct business? (yes to any state that has a convention or BTC meetup)
Does the person or business advertise or solicit business in your state? (yes via adwords)
Does the person or business have a registered agent for service of process in your state?  (probably not)

...

Example 2: James lives in California. He buys new gears for his brand new $3,000 bicycle from a bicycle parts distributor on eBay, Will Wheely. Will, who is based in Nevada, sells almost all his inventory via eBay. The gears are defective, and James crashes, ruining the bicycle. James finds out that Will Wheely bought the gears from Big Gear, Inc., a bicycle parts manufacturer in Florida that does occasional business in California. James later learns that both Will and Big Gear were aware that the gears had a defect. Can James sue either Will Wheely or Big Gear in California small claims court to get compensation for his busted bike?
Yes. James can sue both Will and Big Gear in California. Even though neither potential defendant is a California resident, they each purposefully caused an injury in the state by placing the gears in commerce in California.


Doesn't seem to be all problematic to do. Sad that BFL has sapped the strength out of people to fight back but that is their tactic. Here is hoping that there are enough people to make a stand and do what is necessary to end BFL and EclipseMC. Laughably even their biggest shill is now seeking a refund ça suffit!
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May 31, 2014, 06:32:48 AM
How does the above comment from YipYip further the discussion of Bfl delivery dates?
What am I missing here?
Don't mind him, he's just butthurt (probably something with his father) and has to lash out at others. 
alh
legendary
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May 31, 2014, 03:31:28 AM
How does the above comment from YipYip further the discussion of Bfl delivery dates?
What am I missing here?
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May 31, 2014, 12:53:52 AM
ROFL!  You haven't made a fool of me

You're right turbo, you did that all by your very own self.  You should be proud, the majority of the forum thinks your a mental midget!
So, according to you, the mental midgets on this forum(yourself included) think I am one of their number.  Sadly they are wrong.  This is what comes of using an invalid premise, your conclusions are also invalid.  Don't take it too hard though, at least you are safely tucked in among your peers.

Ok I'm confused what are you fighting about now? Did you not just state you asked for a refund on your Monarch in another forum?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7047876

er confused....thougtht you'd crossed over into the 'daylight' of sanity BFL wise? (or is this some other cat fight I'm aware of?

and me trying to be 'nice' and all to a fellow BFL victim! Notice my nice 'play nice' posting even!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7048683

Befuddled?

Searing

I keep telling you I'm not a BFL defender, I just like telling stupid people they are stupid.  There's just a higher ratio of stupid people in BFL threads.


er...OK in that you requested a 'refund' I'll give you that for now ...what is the argument about in the above quote...just a continuation of that thread?

if so announce you are 'saved' more clearly...a good Hallelujah moment would help.

We are all 'sinners in the eye of BFL" ie imho if you refund it is the same
as if you desert the enemy and come over with a white flag.....better late then never! Not like all of us were not in the BFL camp at one time or another!

Whatever good luck on your refund....you are a difficult fellow (imho no offense) but no one should have their $$$ taken by those crooks imho!

(of course come to think of it I'm no bright light of goody sunshine either sorry to say)

Searing
 

he that shall not be named is a fucking cunt of a human being ....

Its just another one of his weak minded tactics ....he get some preverse pleasure out of all of this ..meanwhile people get hurt

I think his father butt fucked him when he was a child so now he wants to return the favour to everybody...
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