Topic: Bitcoin Fork di Novembre - page 10. (Read 9588 times)

Anche io sono pienamente d'accordo che i fork di per sé come stanno avvenendo ora sono pura e semplice speculazione.

E menomale che, finora, BTC non ha risentito per nulla dal punto di vista del suo valore e popolarità.

Ultime notizie sul software di mining del Gold, a poche ore dal lancio:

"If the majority of Bitcoin Gold GPU miners use this client, there will be no premine on the Bitcoin Gold blockchain"
Scam the scammers!
Awesome!

Francamente vedo queste Fork solamente come un'occasione per speculare un po'. Dalla mia esperienza con Bitcoin Cash (mi è stato accreditato "aggratis" su Bittrex) direi che sia per chi crede nella tecnologia sia per chi è meramente interessato alla speculazione, alla fine conviene. Sono letteralmente soldi regalati, e non credo che Bitcoin 2X o Bitcoin Gold possano davvero pensare di prendere il posto dell'originale.
Farò quindi come a suo tempo per Bitcoin Cash, appena vedrò accreditati i nuovi token tornerò sulle mie posizioni Altcoins.

Buon trading a tutti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7jI2Ne52Dc

I problemi del Fork di novembre:  https://www.coindesk.com/money-risk-mobile-wallets-become-new-battleground-bitcoin-fork-debate/

 

Tabella presente su https://btcgpu.org :

Un interessante soluzione:
https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/135#issuecomment-338056330

La forchetta sta per succedere sicuramente. Assicurati di prepararti.

Warning per i Fork di Bitcoin Core : https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2017-10-09-segwit2x-safety

 

Perfettamente d’accordo. L’utile e il guadagno è sempre il motivo principale. Poi chi vuole distruggere i Bitcoin, e sono tanti potentissimi gruppi bancari e finanziari, possono farlo anche creando lotte interne tra i miners e gli utilizzatori.

Secondo me i fork rafforzano ulteriormente la moneta da cui derivano, per ora la storia ha sempre dimostrato questo. Questo di novembre era un fork evitabile a mio avviso l'ulteriore fork per mettere scompiglio e riempire pance già piene

Di seguito una bella e chiara descrizione dei vari tipi di Forks e Airdrop, tratta da una nota relativa al supporto che l'Exchanger ANX darà o meno a queste iniziative:

" There is a proliferation of forks and airdrops occurring in the blockchain community. We’d like to take the opportunity to remind our customers of our policy and standard operating procedure for these events.

What are Hard Forks and Air Drops?

A “blockchain hard fork” is an event where there is a split in the network with two competing blockchains. This may take the form of:

Business as usual, where in the normal course of operation, temporary network splits happen and resolve themselves (typically withinseconds or minutes); no new currency or blockchain is created.
Non-contentious upgrades hard forks, where typically the majority of a network upgrade to a new version of the software and the old chain dies off; no new currency or blockchain is created.
Non-contentious “airdrop” forks, where a new blockchain is created, splitting off from an existing blockchain. Both chains continue to operate normally under different names (for example Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash). In this case an additional blockchain is created, and operates under a new name.
Contentious fork, where segments within the community cannot reach consensus on the rules of the blockchain. One or both sub communities implement changes to the blockchain and accepting that “their” version of the consensus rules represent the “new” chain. In this case there may be significant disruption to the network, and one or multiple competing currencies may remain in operation after the event. There may even been industry confusion as to the naming of each blockchain.
An “Air Drop” is where tokens are allocated to existing token holders in a blockchain. The newly created tokens may be allocated in a fork of the source blockchain, or they may be tokens in a new or different blockchain.

Air Drops are typically non-contentious; normally some steps must be undertaken for a wallet management service to obtain the airdropped tokens.

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What is the ANXPRO Policy on Forks and Air Drops?
The primary focus for ANXPRO is the security of customer funds. ANXPRO only supports one version of any digital currency. Airdrops are not supported by ANXPRO. Contentious hard forks resulting in more than one currency are also not supported by ANXPRO.
ANXPRO requires customers to remove all funds from ANXPRO if they wish to participate in forks and airdrops. Where a fork is operationally risky or contentious, ANXPRO may also halt trading, deposits and withdrawals for extended periods of time in order to protect customer funds from network instability and faults.

Where a fork is high risk or contentious, the service outage may be for an extended period of time until we feel it is safe to return to normal operations. If there is a risk of multiple currencies resulting from a fork, ANXPRO reserves the absolute right to use its best judgement as to which chain represents the original chain.

Customers are again firmly required to remove their funds if they wish to participate in forks and airdrops.

We are aware that many customers that are active in participating in forks and Air Drops withdraw their funds to an external hardware wallet provider. Many of these kinds of services provide a secure hardware wallet service and are active in supporting forks and Air Drops.

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ANXPRO Operating Procedures Regards Some Recent and Upcoming Forks and Air Drops

Bitcoin Cash Non-Contentious Air Drop - On August 1st, 2017 a non-contentious airdrop fork occurred where a new blockchain “Bitcoin Cash” was created as a clone of the original Bitcoin blockchain with some consensus rule changes.
ANXPRO halted deposits, trading, and withdrawals until system stability was clear. ANXPRO remains undecided on the economic viability of adding and supporting Bitcoin Cash, and will make a decision on whether to support Bitcoin Cash in early 2018.
Bitcoin Gold Hard Fork - Bitcoin Gold is a new cryptocurrency denoted, as of now, as BTG or “bgold”. It will be a fork of the original Bitcoin and is a community-activated hard fork of Bitcoin with the claimed objective of improving miner decentralization. Bitcoin Gold is slated to launch on 25th October 2017, although the exact time for this fork is not yet confirmed.
ANXPRO does not consider Bitcoin Gold to be high risk at this time.
ANXPRO will not be supporting Bitcoin Gold in the near term, or crediting Bitcoin Gold to Bitcoin deposit holders; customers who wish to participate in this Air Drop are required to withdraw their funds prior to the 24th of October.


Bitcoin SegWit2x Hard Fork - SegWit2x is a proposition to boost Bitcoin's transaction capacity, first proposed in May by a subsection of the community as a compromise between competing proposals (segwit and larger blocks). The fork is currently expected to occur sometime during November.
ANXPRO is concerned the SegWit2x hard fork is extremely contentious.
The high level of contention in the community has resulted in two competing implementations that both appear identical to existing legacy wallet clients, which may lead to confusion and disagreement across the Bitcoin ecosystem regarding the validity of transactions.
There are a large number of possible outcomes, including but not limited to:
Both chains coexist, with confusion and contention over which chain is “Bitcoin” (this is particularly complicated as SegWit2x will possibly be recognised as the valid chain by existing mobile and light wallets) OR
A compromise or emergency hard fork executed by either blockchain results in the emergence of a single blockchain.
ANXPRO feels the outcome remains unclear, however the possibility of a major network disruption is very high.
ANXPRO will schedule an extended outage from the fork date. ANXPRO will monitor the network, industry, and customer feedback through this period to form a policy on:
When it is safe to resume Bitcoin operations
Which of the two (or both) blockchains should be supported, and
What currency name and codes to use for each blockchain
ANXPRO requires customers withdraw with Bitcoin from ANXPRO prior to the hard fork if they wish to have the ability to participate in both chains.

ANXPRO will not be supporting Bitcoin SegWit2x Hard Fork in the near term.
As a final reminder, you must withdraw your digital currencies from ANXPRO if you wish to participate in forks and Air Drops. Security and stability is always our top-most priority and ANXPRO cannot, at this time, support unproven and unstable blockchains. ".

  

non ho mai perso tempo a seguire le demenziali vicende dei fork,
ma sono proprio curioso di sentire le argomentazioni TECNICHE di un ulteriore fork...

adesso c'e' bitcoin core che funziona bene per quelli che preferiscono segwit
e bitcoin chash per quelli che preferiscono la "visiono originale" satoshi.

Quindi a parte un sottinteso "facciamo su un po' di soldi aggratis" non vedo altre
motivazioni...

[/quote]credo tu abbia ragione un altro hard fork non ha senso secondo me,gia il primo e stato un flop la stessa cosa succedera anche con questo,le uniche vere ragioni per cui sara fatto sono economiche,cioe che qualcuno ci guadagnera sopra
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i primi che venderanno al volo le nuove coin ottenute saranno quelli che ci avranno guadagnato, questi fork secondo me non hanno futuro. E' solo speculazione come avete detto, un modo per ottenere soldi facili.
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Assolutamente. La motivazione principale dei fork è sempre quella di risolvere problemi tecnici, quando va bene la vera motivazione è di specularci sopra.
E non ci dimentichiamo che i nemici dei Bitcoin quando si creano divisioni e lotte all'interno della comunità non possono che essere felici. 

i primi che venderanno al volo le nuove coin ottenute saranno quelli che ci avranno guadagnato, questi fork secondo me non hanno futuro. E' solo speculazione come avete detto, un modo per ottenere soldi facili.

credo tu abbia ragione un altro hard fork non ha senso secondo me,gia il primo e stato un flop la stessa cosa succedera anche con questo,le uniche vere ragioni per cui sara fatto sono economiche,cioe che qualcuno ci guadagnera sopra

Intanti il BTC sta facendo nuovi record.

Sono letteralmente odiati (tutto quello ha viene da New York nel mondo bitcoin sembra problematico) il SegWit2x sembra sia voluto da tra compagnie "Coinbase" "Xapo" "BitPay" e come sviluppatori Jeff Garzik

A Bitcoin Beginner’s Guide to Surviving the Bgold and SegWit2x Forks

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-beginners-guide-surviving-bgold-and-segwit2x-forks/

Ho sentito dire che le possibilita' del fork s2x stanno calando sensibilmente: vi risulta questa cosa? E perchè?

quindi ci saranno due fork uno il 25 e uno a novembre per sg2...ma saranno distribuiti i nuovi token per entrambi?? o il secondo è solo un implementazione tecnologica?