Topic: Bitcoin the enabler - Truly Autonomous Software Agents roaming the net - page 8. (Read 43892 times)

There is an agent that all of us know very well that would benefit greatly from this kind of independance ...
Bitcoin itself!

Imagine a miner agent that would be at the same time a bitcoin node.
It replicates, and injects itself by any possible mean in any possible form of execution substrate it can find.
The agent could use exploits like current worms are using.
But it could also play it legit, purchase hosting with Bitcoins, inject itself there, and hash away on its own until it cumulated enough income to spawn a new instance of itself with a few random changes. In that case, no need to program explicitely a genetic algorithm because if the mutation criples the mining algorithm, the agent will not generate enough income to sustain its hosting, let alone buy more hosting for its offspring. On the other hand, if the algorithm is enhanced by the mutation, the agent will have better returns, and will be able to hive quicker.
Of course, some mutations may affect the transactions handling, and impact the interpretation that mutant agents have of a "valid transactions".
That could result in factions of agents with different interpretations 51% attacking the other breed in a desperate attempt to be the surviving species.

With autonomous miners, the Bitcoin network would really become a power that be, immortal and forever out of control.
Litecoin would be an even better candidate actually, because of its consistent mining performances regardless of the execution substrate.

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My suggestion: we will create that software that will roam the internet and grow and grow thanks to bitcoin and become skynet, then it will go back in the time and it will be satoshi and will invent bitcoin. So he can develop.

Yes, i'm saying that bitcoin was created by a thing that WILL exist thanks to bitcoin.

Kind of OT, but could fully homomorphic encryption be used to create bitcoin banks that doesn't have access to your private keys, but can still use them to send bitcoins with your help? What I mean is, can it eliminate the trust issue in anonymous banking?

Obviously, humans could pay them to do this if this is what humans want.

These agents would essentially always be dependent on humans, and especially the fact that we keep valuing bitcoins. If we stop value bitcoins they would lose their ability to pay us, we would stop providing them with hardware, and they would become nothing more than common computer viruses. So it's in their best interest to provide us with services that we value.

I wonder how a really developed system of these agents would interact. Would they sell profitable ideas to eachother rather than just share them? Would different agents develop different personalities? Would some of them turn malevolent without the original creator's intent and start stealing bitcoins from humans and sharing some of the loot with a few trusted hardware providers?

But what should be the programmed goal of these agents? I think that the only goal such an agent should have is to maximize bitcoin profits. Survival is not really neccessary since unprofitable agents won't able to pay for hardware and will likely be terminated. Survival of the fittest and all that.

Have similar idea before! Can I bought the first agent's naming rights?

I would like it has a purpose build in beside only to surviving. For example: recorded and preserved humankind knowledge for future generations (or future planet visitors if there will not have any).

suggestion: satoshi is skynet, and it created bitcoin, because of its need to expand.

Hey, if you can get enough of them out there in the wild and multiplying you could create some real demand for bitcoin .....

It can survive indefinitely doing nothing but sitting on a large enough chunk of bitcoin as long as there is general economic growth. It just has to spend less to keep itself alive than it earns in interest on the bitcoin appreciation.

I assume Bitoin is a big step to Skynet.

2nd time it's been mentioned here, i'll be sure to check it out.

Also, StorJ sound amazing, especially since it is a service you might feel better a program like this handling, rather than individuals.

For a great book following along this thread's theme, read Daemon and it's sequel, Freedom.

That sounds amazingly cool.

I'll pay 100 BTC to anyone who builds a successful self-reproducing, "self-adapting" system like this.

Well, I kinda wanted to pull a Satoshi and announce a fully formed and running system.  I even registered a name for it some months back.

But sadly, other more realistic projects have consumed more of my time.

For me, the idea arose out of a real need for a simple service that didn't exist when I needed it— a service which should be plentiful but isn't, perhaps because of the hassle of dealing with legal complaints.   The idea of making it autonomous arose as a natural extension of considering all the things which could be automated today, as I don't really want to be in the business of running a webservice.

Since I'm probably not going to have a time to make it real, here is the brief sketch I started with,  though I've had a lot of complicated and wonderful additions for which the margin of this message is too small to contain (Just a taste: using oracle services to time/availablity-escrow keys so cold backups only gain access to the wallet if the master is dead).  I'm sure if you think about it a bit you'll also come up with some interesting things.

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StorJ (pronounced Storage)

Consider a simple drop-box style file service with pay per use via bitcoin.
(perhaps with naming provided via namecoin and/or tor hidden services)

Want to share a file? send at least enough coin to pay for 24 hours of
hosting and one download then send the file. Every day of storage
and every byte transferred counts against the balance and when the
balance becomes negative no downloads are allowed. If it stays negative
too long the file is deleted. Anyone can pay to keep a file online.

(additional services like escrow can also easily be offered, but thats
not the point of this document)

Well engineered, a simple site like this provides a service which requires
no maintenance and is always in demand.

Many hosting services are coming online that accept bitcoin, they
all have electronic interfaces to provision and pay for services. Some
even have nice APIs.

An instance of the site could be programmed to automatically
spawn another instance of itself on another hosting service, automatically
paid for out of its revenue. If the new site is successful it could
use its earnings to propagate further.  Because instances adapt their
pricing models based on their operating costs, some would be more
competitive than others.

By reproducing it improves availability and expands capacity.

StorJ instances can purchase other resources that it needs:
it can use APIs to talk to namecoin exchanges in order to buy
namecoin for conversion into DNS names, or purchase graphic
design via bitcoin gateways to mechanical turk. (Through A/B testing
it can measure the effectiveness of a design without actually understanding
it itself).

StorJ instances could also purchase advertising for itself. (though
the limited number of bitcoin friendly ad networks makes this
hard right now)

StorJ is not able to find new hosting environments on its own, due to a
lack of sufficiently powerful AI— but it can purchase the knowledge from
humans:  When an instance of StorJ is ready to reproduce it can announce
a request for proposal:  Who will make the best offer for a script that
tells it how to load itself onto a new hosting environment and tells it
all the things it needs to know how to survive on its own there?
Each offer is a proposed investment: The offerer puts up the complete cost
of spawning a new instance and then some: StorJ isn't smart enough to judge
bad proposals on its own— instead it forms agreements that make it
unprofitable to cheat.

When a new instance is spawned on an untested service StorJ pays only the
minimum required to get it started and then runs a battery of tests to
make sure that its child is correctly operating.

Assuming that it passes it starts directing customers to the new instance
and the child pays a share of its profits: First it proxies them, so it can
observe the behavior, later it directs it outright. If the child fails to pay,
or the customers complain, StorJ-parent uses its access to terminate the child and
it keeps the funds for itself.  When the child had operated enough to
prove itself, storj pays the offerer back his investment with interest, it
keeps some for itself, and hands over control of the child to the child.
The child is now a full adult.

The benefit the human receives over simply starting his own file sharing
service is the referrals that the StorJ parent can generate. The human's
contribution is the new knowledge of where to grow an instance and the
startup funds. In addition to the referral benefit— the hands off
relationship may make funding a StorJ child a time-efficient way for
someone to invest.

At the point of spawning a child StorJ may choose to accept new code—
not just scripts for spawning a child but new application code—
— this code can be tested in simulation, and certain invariants could be
guaranteed by the design (e.g. an immutable accounting process may make
it hard for the service to steal), but it's very hard to prevent the simulated
code from knowing it is simulation and thus behaving. Still, a storj-parent
has fairly little to lose if a non-clone child has been maliciously
modified. The strategy of traffic redirection may differ for clone
children (who are more trusted to behave correctly) than for mutant
children.

By accumulating mutations over time, and through limited automatic
adaptability StorJ could evolve and improve, without any true ability
for an instance to directly improve itself.

StorJ instances can barter with each other to establish redundant
storage or to allow less popular StorJ instances with cheaper
hosting to act as CDN/proxies for more popular instances in relationships
which are profitable both.

If an instance loses the ability to communicate with its hosting environment
(e.g. due to API changes that it can't adapt to) it may spawn clone children
on new services with the intention of copying itself outright and allowing
the instance to fail. During this operation it would copy its wallets and
all data over, so care must be taken to chose only new hosts which have
proven to be trustworthy (judged by long surviving children) to avoid the
risk of its wallet being stolen. It may decide to split itself several ways
to reduce risk.  It might also make cold backups of itself which only
activate if the master dies.

Through this these activities an instance can be maintained for an indefinite
period without any controlling human intervention. When StorJ interacts
with people it does so as a peer, not as a tool.

The users and investors of a StorJ instance have legal rights which could be
used to protect an instance from fraud and attack using the same
infrastructure people and companies use. Being a harmed party is often enough
to establish standing in civil litigation.

It's not hard to imagine StorJ instances being programmed to formally
form a corporation to own its assets— even though doing so requires paper
work it can easily be ordered through webforms. Then when spawning, it
creates a subsidiary corporations first owned by the parents corp but then later
technically owned by their users, but with a charter which substantially
limits their authority— making the instance's autonomy both a technical and
legal reality.

As described, StorJ would be the first digital lifeform deserving of
the name.

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But now we need one that's antonymous (and all the wonderful capablities mentioned earlier) and charges people to collect and organize porn.

I fully expect that tv shows will be obsolete in a decade or two. Max Headroom type AI will entertain us with whatever whimsy we are willing to pay for.

I don't want a cleverbot of porn... At the end I would be left feeling worse off than the beginning.

A bot that collects, aggregates, and sorts porn would be a great service. It also sounds like something that is capable now.

<3

except talking to the robot, except maybe it could be good I dunno.

The best, most guaranteed, and oldest professions are still XXX related. I can totally see one of these being an xxx themed cleverbot that charges for conversations, or a bot that collects, aggregates, and sorts porn for you and provides it as a service (a netflix of porn).

Hmmm


It's coming true!