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Topic: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process - page 78. (Read 292200 times)

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Interesting Thread. I just see it as tarnishing the reputations of both services now. Only those who love the thrill of gambling will trust bitcoin 'businesses' now.

Would be nice to get my bitcoins back like everyone else.  Pity a good service is now associated with a new service that has yet to prove itself.  Proves to me they do not know how to build reputation. Just seems all to shady to me, to come out with this announcement.

Perhaps they are confident that this will be resolved quicky and amicably, and that this will help Neo & Bee build trust from the community. I cant see a new startup getting involved in this unless they were certain they could help.
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Interesting Thread. I just see it as tarnishing the reputations of both services now. Only those who love the thrill of gambling will trust bitcoin 'businesses' now.

Would be nice to get my bitcoins back like everyone else.  Pity a good service is now associated with a new service that has yet to prove itself.  Proves to me they do not know how to build reputation. Just seems all to shady to me, to come out with this announcement.
legendary
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Hello everyone,

I know everyone here is waiting for "the big announcement".

I have been brought in by Jon (Ukyo) to help with the situation. For those who do not know me, I am Danny Brewster of Neo & Bee (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.0;topicseen) Neo & Bee has agreed to take an active role in ensuring this situation gets resolved.

I have a full understanding of the situation and have agreed to work with Jon to help sort out the problem in the best and quickest manner possible. At this point in time it is no longer possible to be immediately able to pay out all users. Jon has been working to ensure that a process is in place to remedy this situation and to ensure that all users get the bitcoins owed to them. This is the unfortunate reality of the situation. The biggest question is going to be “why or how has this happened?” I will be providing the answer in full, however right now it is impossible for what I would describe as legal reasons, but the answers are coming, that I promise, but cannot give an exact time as to when this information can be made public.

To this end, we would like to ask that everyone continues to be patient while the final preparations are put in place that will allow for users to enable recovery of their funds, the holidays in the United States are not helping with this specific matter in the slightest.

Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process.

Unlike other situations where an inability to payout bitcoins to users has occurred, Jon has been fully committed to ensuring that payouts will happen. He has not gone into hiding and continues to try to make himself available to people on IRC on a fairly consistent basis. You have trusted Jon with your bitcoins and as of right now, you are being told that there is no immediate solution. At this point, Jon has two options: first he can continue to work with the community to ensure that the issue is resolved properly, or he can throw his hands up and simply say "sorry, there’s nothing I can do". I prefer option one as I think many of you will as well, so that is why I am throwing myself and my team behind this effort to ensure solutions are implemented and successful.

I know both myself and Jon would like to be able to post everything out in the open to give a full explanation about everything that has brought everyone into this position and what is currently going on to resolve this issue. I understand that this is not the optimal solution for any one person, however we believe that it is the best solution for everyone.

You can have my word that everything conceivably possible, to resolve these problems are being done to the best of our abilities.

I would like to thank you for your understanding and cooperation so far and we look forward to having this situation resolved as soon as possible.


Sounds good.  I still have a balance in Weex (since 17 nov 2013). Hope this settles before Christmas.


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What is your role in NeoBee and bitfunder?

Over 75 BTC stuck and I raised the alarm first of anyone. I didn't know either party until this happened.

Ukyo has been on the other end of my anger as tat will attest to (he told me off!), as will others who had been present on irc when this blew up. I am also not anonymous.

However, I understand that the most important thing is fixing this mess and made myself available to help. To that end, I was allowed limited extra knowledge on a confidential basis to evidence that things are being done as they need to be. One or two others have helped in similar ways, but I have agreed to post as such despite the flack that results. The point is that Ukyo is not the only person trying to get things moving.

If it ever gets to the point where I think something dubious is going on, I'll say so. I have a shed load more money at stake than most of you which tends to concentrate the mind on moving forwards. What matters is Ukyo getting the situation back where he should be so we can all get on with our bitcoin lives.

If you're feeling like I am, Bitcoin's recent climb is leaving you less than celebratory as a result of stuck funds. However, feeling crap or angry doesn't get things done.

As for the havelock suggestion - look at the figures. I don't think the daily liquidity even gets close to covering  half what I have stuck, and there are people who have posted larger amounts than me. It's just a non starter. Whatever help they give, a few havelock shares isn't it.


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1-Ukyo gambled all the funds on failed stocks

As posted on another thread, to my knowledge this is not the case.

I don't know precisely how Neo will be helping Ukyo but I certainly can't see it being based on selling stock today on Havelock. I think that'd be possible to spot and would make no sense; there's also virtually no liquidity.

Neo's price is hurting because of the Bitcoin price. Neo's actual operation is going great guns but dividends aren't payable for quite some time.


What is your role in NeoBee and bitfunder?
He's just a general Ukyo/BitFunder fanboi.
legendary
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1-Ukyo gambled all the funds on failed stocks

As posted on another thread, to my knowledge this is not the case.

I don't know precisely how Neo will be helping Ukyo but I certainly can't see it being based on selling stock today on Havelock. I think that'd be possible to spot and would make no sense; there's also virtually no liquidity.

Neo's price is hurting because of the Bitcoin price. Neo's actual operation is going great guns but dividends aren't payable for quite some time.


What is your role in NeoBee and bitfunder?
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Lack of confidence in the exchange is a more likely reason for the price drop in N&B shares.

Yeah yeah, as if anybody would be atall concerned about the exposure getting involved with Ukyo creates. Yeah you are right, no one will be botherd. Huh

Get real you fool. Now it's you who are under-estimating (the N&B) shareholders intelligence. Do you often contradict yourself from one thread to the other to suit your own ends? Looks like it.

Relax.
I posited that a flaky exchange is more likely to undermine investor confidence than a questionable business decision by the issuer of an asset.  The latter will devalue your shares, but if an exchange proves to be fraudulent or gets "hacked," your money's simply gone. 
*Puff*
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Lack of confidence in the exchange is a more likely reason for the price drop in N&B shares.

Yeah yeah, as if anybody would be atall concerned about the exposure getting involved with Ukyo creates. Yeah you are right, no one will be botherd. Huh

Get real you fool. Now it's you who are under-estimating (the N&B) shareholders intelligence. Do you often contradict yourself from one thread to the other to suit your own ends? Looks like it.
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Think it's pretty obvious what's happening here. Neo&Bee was looking to setup their own security exchange. They've said so a number of times, that it was part of their future plans.

They now found a way to secure that exchange and infrastructure for a bargain price most likely.


Too bad they did it at the expense of shareholders. Ukyo has crashed the NB share price.

Havelock, the exchange on which N&B is being traded, has failed to sell out its own IPO.
Instead of refunding the coin, trading was opened & the stock tanked.
Lack of confidence in the exchange is a more likely reason for the price drop in N&B shares.
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1-Ukyo gambled all the funds on failed stocks

As posted on another thread, to my knowledge this is not the case.

I don't know precisely how Neo will be helping Ukyo but I certainly can't see it being based on selling stock today on Havelock. I think that'd be possible to spot and would make no sense; there's also virtually no liquidity.

Neo's price is hurting because of the Bitcoin price. Neo's actual operation is going great guns but dividends aren't payable for quite some time.
legendary
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Think it's pretty obvious what's happening here. Neo&Bee was looking to setup their own security exchange. They've said so a number of times, that it was part of their future plans.

They now found a way to secure that exchange and infrastructure for a bargain price most likely.


Too bad they did it at the expense of shareholders. Ukyo has crashed the NB share price.
legendary
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I think this is likely what is happening:

1-Ukyo gambled all the funds on failed stocks, has nothing

2-NeoBee gave him a ton of IPVO shares in exchange for WeExchange ownership.

3-The hope is that NeoBee brings out news that will boost the share price, so Ukyo can sell the shares and pay everyone back. This could also be the cause of the massive NeoBee sell-off we've seen in the last 24 hours.
legendary
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It looks like Ukyo is less likely to pay by the day.

How are you coming to that conclusion? Additional people and resources are being devoted to ensuring people get their funds back. You can bash Ukyo all you want, but I don't think you can say it's become less likely that funds will be repaid.

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It looks like Ukyo is less likely to pay by the day.

How are you coming to that conclusion? Additional people and resources are being devoted to ensuring people get their funds back. You can bash Ukyo all you want, but I don't think you can say it's become less likely that funds will be repaid.
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It looks like Ukyo is less likely to pay by the day.
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People.. Roll Eyes If you actually checked the "Add funds"-page you would see this message:
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Direct BTC Transfer

NOTE: At this time we ask that no users deposit additional bitcoins to the current WeExchange wallet.

Thanks! Now I´m happier, baby steps... but hey!
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this sounds so much like mtgox.

No it doesn't... mtgox has bank troubles, BTC can be transferred anytime.

I'm referring to the aspect that they can't even talk about what's going on.
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I think this is somehow positive but REALLY why is there no warnings in the Weex website? again, it takes 5 minutes to sort this one out.
Unless of course, getting more money in is part of the solution.


Seems like they should do this at an absolute minimum. Seriously, it would take minutes to just disable deposits or put up a message. Accepting deposits without any warnings or disclaimers given the current state of things is criminal.


People.. Roll Eyes If you actually checked the "Add funds"-page you would see this message:
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Direct BTC Transfer

NOTE: At this time we ask that no users deposit additional bitcoins to the current WeExchange wallet.

Hurray he actually did it, now just one million years left for us to get our money back!
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I think this is somehow positive but REALLY why is there no warnings in the Weex website? again, it takes 5 minutes to sort this one out.
Unless of course, getting more money in is part of the solution.


Seems like they should do this at an absolute minimum. Seriously, it would take minutes to just disable deposits or put up a message. Accepting deposits without any warnings or disclaimers given the current state of things is criminal.


People.. Roll Eyes If you actually checked the "Add funds"-page you would see this message:
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Direct BTC Transfer

NOTE: At this time we ask that no users deposit additional bitcoins to the current WeExchange wallet.
sr. member
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I think this is somehow positive but REALLY why is there no warnings in the Weex website? again, it takes 5 minutes to sort this one out.
Unless of course, getting more money in is part of the solution.


Seems like they should do this at an absolute minimum. Seriously, it would take minutes to just disable deposits or put up a message. Accepting deposits without any warnings or disclaimers given the current state of things is criminal.
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