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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 251. (Read 531168 times)

sr. member
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As us citizens can't we just go after bitmainwarranty.  I mean they reside in us. They have something going on in Colorado and Washington state.  Maybe is time to start turning them into the BBB. I'm going to be sending a friendly letter to PayPal making sure they watch bitmain account super close. It will be a chargeback haven something I'm sure PayPal doesn't want to mess with. Not to mention the prices on eBay for this junk is outrageous.  


Little story for you all.  I bought a sapphire 290x from eBay back in May when I was building out the majority of my rigs for mining Ethereum. I got one card that would quit after 7 hours of mining. I sent it back to sapphire.  Let them know that I bought it off eBay and that I just wanted to know the cost to fix it.  Low and behold when I got the email back not only was it still under warranty but I only got charged 30$ since I wasn't the original owner.  Now that's what I call fucking service.  Bitmain you have a long hard road ahead with actions like this.  Don't think you can run a business in the states and treat us this way.  You have a rude awakening coming;)

BR

dang....i think the pp comment you made was pretty ignorant. not only did u not buy anything through paypal but when they finally start accepting an easier form of payment you go and try fuckin it up?? but if you send a letter to paypal they will just ignore it...your clearly trying to ruin a reputation of a company before it even gets goin. sure you may have dealth with buying in btc but you havent bought from them with paypal yet so try to not make assumptions before having any real proof.

now i noticed alot of people having issues with their miners fyin but i also noticed the temps of many peoples miners are 100c and above....your cramming huge hasherates into tiny spaces and expect to be able to run these things safely in your garages in the middle of summer?? thats just ballz crazy! here are my temps:

board 1 59/91
board 2 54/84
board 3 54/87

the ac unit for each of my rooms is set to 72 degrees and the frequencies are all set to the stock 550. sure one board per miner is a little hotter but that is because i have a strip of tape going over part of the grill because of the whistling noise which will be removed once the filter material i ordered comes and i can make some filters for my miners. but even with that piece of tape my chip temp on all my miners never goes above 92 degrees and all of my miners have the same sort of numbers temp wise. i would be shuttin my miners off immediately if i saw temps going near 100 degrees and above....they arent made to be running in your shed or garage in the summertime. winter time would be perfect but summertime.....bad idea guys.

Hey numnutz. That is the proper name;).  I no need to fuck it up for bitmain. They are doing a fine job themselves.  I suspect you haven't dealt with bitmain enough to be fed up!

BR

lol they havent done ne thing to fuck up paypal....the just sent the email out a day or so ago about accepting paypal. as for dealin with bitmain....i have dealt with them since the s1. i have owned every model of their s series miners except for the s3+ i heard about a while back but i havent ever seen 1. i started mining at home to heat my house but moved to much larger mining setups so im pretty sure i have experience with bitmain lol.

im not saying they dont make mistakes but the info i posted above about temps hitting over 100 degrees c and going above that means users dont understand the risks involved with running their miners that hot. sure it can be done and some may last forever at those temps but from the posts i have read in this thread alone im seeing that so many failed and their info many times includes temps that are ridiculously high.

now tell me....can bitmain be at fault for those boards dying when the temps far exceed ones that are reasonable? can they be to blame for users not knowing any better and running them in places like the garage and room where ambient temps push 100 degrees?? now if you have temps like mine and they died i would back you 100% but im seeing most 100+ temps so how can i support those claims? Everyone that mines should know 1 key piece of info......HIGH TEMPS KILL MINERS....period. if people refuse to ignore that or claim ignorance then all i have to say is maybe you should have done a little more research on proper operating conditions. i know for a fact 90-100 degree ambient temps in a garage or shed in the dead of summer with 100% humidity are not even close to being the ideal operating temps....common sense should be settin off alarms in these peoples heads but instead many turn here and bash bitmain about it.

i have had 1 issue with a miner....a batch of s5's i ordered were extremely dirty and covered in that fine black dust that doesnt blow off with compressed air like normal household dust does. it looked more like what comes out of a tailpipe of a car. they got back to me and sent me a new s5 for free without needing me to send anything back. that is the only issue in the years i have used their products.

to everyone that is running them in proper environments and not outside or in cramped rooms that you cant even sit in without sweattin ur ballz off i hope you get your miners repaired but for those that arent i hope u learned from your mistakes and i hope you listen to people like me that posted many times about 100c being too effin hot for any miner. it cost you alot to learn this mistake but hopefully it makes u not wanna repeat it again.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
I also expect PayPal will realize quickly there are issues with Bitmain and chargebacks. Right now their most failure-prone product through PayPal will probably be the S7LN PSU, which in my experience are lemons (20% failure/DOA) but maybe they already culled out all the garbage ones by now?

Also, I don't think going after BitmainWarranty (the Colorado-based entity) will do you any good. They're not actually legally associated with Bitmain last I checked, and also do their best to pick up the slack when Bitmain screws over US customers.
legendary
Activity: 1453
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Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
As us citizens can't we just go after bitmainwarranty.  I mean they reside in us. They have something going on in Colorado and Washington state.  Maybe is time to start turning them into the BBB. I'm going to be sending a friendly letter to PayPal making sure they watch bitmain account super close. It will be a chargeback haven something I'm sure PayPal doesn't want to mess with. Not to mention the prices on eBay for this junk is outrageous.  


Little story for you all.  I bought a sapphire 290x from eBay back in May when I was building out the majority of my rigs for mining Ethereum. I got one card that would quit after 7 hours of mining. I sent it back to sapphire.  Let them know that I bought it off eBay and that I just wanted to know the cost to fix it.  Low and behold when I got the email back not only was it still under warranty but I only got charged 30$ since I wasn't the original owner.  Now that's what I call fucking service.  Bitmain you have a long hard road ahead with actions like this.  Don't think you can run a business in the states and treat us this way.  You have a rude awakening coming;)

BR

dang....i think the pp comment you made was pretty ignorant. not only did u not buy anything through paypal but when they finally start accepting an easier form of payment you go and try fuckin it up?? but if you send a letter to paypal they will just ignore it...your clearly trying to ruin a reputation of a company before it even gets goin. sure you may have dealth with buying in btc but you havent bought from them with paypal yet so try to not make assumptions before having any real proof.

now i noticed alot of people having issues with their miners fyin but i also noticed the temps of many peoples miners are 100c and above....your cramming huge hasherates into tiny spaces and expect to be able to run these things safely in your garages in the middle of summer?? thats just ballz crazy! here are my temps:

board 1 59/91
board 2 54/84
board 3 54/87

the ac unit for each of my rooms is set to 72 degrees and the frequencies are all set to the stock 550. sure one board per miner is a little hotter but that is because i have a strip of tape going over part of the grill because of the whistling noise which will be removed once the filter material i ordered comes and i can make some filters for my miners. but even with that piece of tape my chip temp on all my miners never goes above 92 degrees and all of my miners have the same sort of numbers temp wise. i would be shuttin my miners off immediately if i saw temps going near 100 degrees and above....they arent made to be running in your shed or garage in the summertime. winter time would be perfect but summertime.....bad idea guys.

Hey numnutz. That is the proper name;).  I no need to fuck it up for bitmain. They are doing a fine job themselves.  I suspect you haven't dealt with bitmain enough to be fed up!

BR
sr. member
Activity: 387
Merit: 254
As us citizens can't we just go after bitmainwarranty.  I mean they reside in us. They have something going on in Colorado and Washington state.  Maybe is time to start turning them into the BBB. I'm going to be sending a friendly letter to PayPal making sure they watch bitmain account super close. It will be a chargeback haven something I'm sure PayPal doesn't want to mess with. Not to mention the prices on eBay for this junk is outrageous.  


Little story for you all.  I bought a sapphire 290x from eBay back in May when I was building out the majority of my rigs for mining Ethereum. I got one card that would quit after 7 hours of mining. I sent it back to sapphire.  Let them know that I bought it off eBay and that I just wanted to know the cost to fix it.  Low and behold when I got the email back not only was it still under warranty but I only got charged 30$ since I wasn't the original owner.  Now that's what I call fucking service.  Bitmain you have a long hard road ahead with actions like this.  Don't think you can run a business in the states and treat us this way.  You have a rude awakening coming;)

BR

dang....i think the pp comment you made was pretty ignorant. not only did u not buy anything through paypal but when they finally start accepting an easier form of payment you go and try fuckin it up?? but if you send a letter to paypal they will just ignore it...your clearly trying to ruin a reputation of a company before it even gets goin. sure you may have dealth with buying in btc but you havent bought from them with paypal yet so try to not make assumptions before having any real proof.

now i noticed alot of people having issues with their miners fyin but i also noticed the temps of many peoples miners are 100c and above....your cramming huge hasherates into tiny spaces and expect to be able to run these things safely in your garages in the middle of summer?? thats just ballz crazy! here are my temps:

board 1 59/91
board 2 54/84
board 3 54/87

the ac unit for each of my rooms is set to 72 degrees and the frequencies are all set to the stock 550. sure one board per miner is a little hotter but that is because i have a strip of tape going over part of the grill because of the whistling noise which will be removed once the filter material i ordered comes and i can make some filters for my miners. but even with that piece of tape my chip temp on all my miners never goes above 92 degrees and all of my miners have the same sort of numbers temp wise. i would be shuttin my miners off immediately if i saw temps going near 100 degrees and above....they arent made to be running in your shed or garage in the summertime. winter time would be perfect but summertime.....bad idea guys.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 1737
"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
What percentage of Bitmain's sales would you estimate are made to small non Chinese buyers?
There's a probable case to make that you're getting QC rejects, the scribbling on Tupsu's label would support that.
As for those heat sinks that look like they were stuck on by a blind man wearing boxing gloves..... Roll Eyes
newbie
Activity: 59
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I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

https://i.imgur.com/R72hWho.png

phil, what are you doing?  Smiley
releasing the secret of how to get the same amount of btc with 2.5-3 times less watts and a real warranty?


It is an open secret. Grin

Bitmaintech is king of ASIC world

And they need to watch for gpu world more then anything else.

Hey phil i sent you a dm if you can check it out please  Smiley

what is a dm?

a private sorry haha
legendary
Activity: 1453
Merit: 1011
Bitcoin Talks Bullshit Walks
As us citizens can't we just go after bitmainwarranty.  I mean they reside in us. They have something going on in Colorado and Washington state.  Maybe is time to start turning them into the BBB. I'm going to be sending a friendly letter to PayPal making sure they watch bitmain account super close. It will be a chargeback haven something I'm sure PayPal doesn't want to mess with. Not to mention the prices on eBay for this junk is outrageous.  


Little story for you all.  I bought a sapphire 290x from eBay back in May when I was building out the majority of my rigs for mining Ethereum. I got one card that would quit after 7 hours of mining. I sent it back to sapphire.  Let them know that I bought it off eBay and that I just wanted to know the cost to fix it.  Low and behold when I got the email back not only was it still under warranty but I only got charged 30$ since I wasn't the original owner.  Now that's what I call fucking service.  Bitmain you have a long hard road ahead with actions like this.  Don't think you can run a business in the states and treat us this way.  You have a rude awakening coming;)

BR
legendary
Activity: 4256
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'The right to privacy matters'
Tupsu: There is one chip missing which is probably stuck in to the detached heat sink.
I can't see why they can't come up with a new chip and 2pcs heat sinks and fix it?  Huh

I think they lost the heat sinks that fell off.
legendary
Activity: 1218
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Tupsu: There is one chip missing which is probably stuck in to the detached heat sink.
I can't see why they can't come up with a new chip and 2pcs heat sinks and fix it?  Huh

With overheated thermal glue radiators may easily come off.  If too much thermal glue has been placed, they may bring something else from hashbord with glue and radiator.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmains-refused-from-s9-warranty-buy-at-your-own-risk-914354

5. Are the fallen radiators  frequent problem with S9 hashblades ? Yes.  This is one of the reasons for the repair and if it has happened, it must be written  before shipping in  this formular.


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legendary
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Electrical engineer. Mining since 2014.
Tupsu: There is one chip missing which is probably stuck in to the detached heat sink.
I can't see why they can't come up with a new chip and 2pcs heat sinks and fix it?  Huh
legendary
Activity: 1218
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Customer Service-Overseas Today at 14:30


Dear customer,

Your hash board was damaged physically before we received it. It may happened in transit.
If you need the picture of the hash board, I can send it to you.

Yours respectfully,
Quentin

Make sure I understand this correctly...

Is Bitmain the one who sent this message to you today regarding a board you sent to them?

If so, what good is a picture going to do for you?


He should get the picture. 


I got a new big  picture.
Read more here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmains-refused-from-s9-warranty-buy-at-your-own-risk-914354

Still do not know where is PIN

“Where’s Waldo”  Huh


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legendary
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Looks like one of mine has a dead middle board. All x's

Tried lowering frequency to 575 but no luck, it comes up as o's but won't hash, then after a while goes to x's

This is a long shot, but what pool are you pointing at?

I mined on Zpool briefly but ran into a problem where the pool was serving up an extremely low difficulty of 64. It would hash for a while then one of the blades would fall over and show all x's.

At first I thought it might be frequency related and lowered my rate. I also tried setting a minimum difficulty. But it kept happening. Then several other people with S9s complained about the same thing on the Zpool thread, so I figured it was a pool problem.

I gave up and went back to Kano's pool (should never have left) and it's been fine ever sense.

I only mine on kano.is with ck's solo as a backup. Units are hosted so its going to be physically checked. These are the latest batch just had them up and running a for around 48 hours.
legendary
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Looks like one of mine has a dead middle board. All x's

Tried lowering frequency to 575 but no luck, it comes up as o's but won't hash, then after a while goes to x's

This is a long shot, but what pool are you pointing at?

I mined on Zpool briefly but ran into a problem where the pool was serving up an extremely low difficulty of 64. It would hash for a while then one of the blades would fall over and show all x's.

At first I thought it might be frequency related and lowered my rate. I also tried setting a minimum difficulty. But it kept happening. Then several other people with S9s complained about the same thing on the Zpool thread, so I figured it was a pool problem.

I gave up and went back to Kano's pool (should never have left) and it's been fine ever sense.
legendary
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Mine for a Bit
...

Interesting. Does it also act as a proxy?

I'm considering that already, and also a drag & drop interface for pool change.

Wanted to use ckpool (as that's what i use), but it is a no-go in ARM platforms.

...

this could be interesting..
do you have a site or tweetter account to stay tuned?

My business site is primarily about biometrics and HR stuff. However i will surely tweet about the project release and notify around here when it's time. My tweeter (personal one, but i'll tweet there) is @johnvillarz.

Just as a heads-up, initial release will only have capacity for 1 hardware control, but we have already working prototypes of the hardware expansors, which will go from 4 hardware control ports for hte basic expansor to 32 or 64, depending on demand).

Very Interesting!  I am looking forward to it.  When you get it done, let us know!
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

https://i.imgur.com/R72hWho.png

phil, what are you doing?  Smiley
releasing the secret of how to get the same amount of btc with 2.5-3 times less watts and a real warranty?


It is an open secret. Grin

Bitmaintech is king of ASIC world

And they need to watch for gpu world more then anything else.

Hey phil i sent you a dm if you can check it out please  Smiley

what is a dm?
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
Looks like one of mine has a dead middle board. All x's

Tried lowering frequency to 575 but no luck, it comes up as o's but won't hash, then after a while goes to x's
So far all s9s good here including the 2 new batch 11's. Have all my fingers, toes and eyes crossed hoping they stay that way...
Any yes, is a bvyche typng liker that...
legendary
Activity: 3234
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Looks like one of mine has a dead middle board. All x's

Tried lowering frequency to 575 but no luck, it comes up as o's but won't hash, then after a while goes to x's

legendary
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Coins, Games & Miners
...

Interesting. Does it also act as a proxy?

I'm considering that already, and also a drag & drop interface for pool change.

Wanted to use ckpool (as that's what i use), but it is a no-go in ARM platforms.

...

this could be interesting..
do you have a site or tweetter account to stay tuned?

My business site is primarily about biometrics and HR stuff. However i will surely tweet about the project release and notify around here when it's time. My tweeter (personal one, but i'll tweet there) is @johnvillarz.

Just as a heads-up, initial release will only have capacity for 1 hardware control, but we have already working prototypes of the hardware expansors, which will go from 4 hardware control ports for hte basic expansor to 32 or 64, depending on demand).
newbie
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I would rather they simply honored the warranty.  If it breaks in the first 90 days it gets replaced without a lot of rigamarole on their part.  Buying a miner and getting a 10% coupon on the next is worthless if the miner I bought only performs to 66% of spec.  There are a lot of tech companies that provide excellent and reliable warranties.  Bitmain could be one if they wanted to.

Yeah but the shipping back to China  at high cost is a killer along with no cross shipping.

   It is not like an Intel CPU  which ships at low cost.  BTW  When I killed my Intel i5 6600k   I had two options cross ship at an extra cost of 25 usd  or send  it in and wait .  I went the cheap way and had a new CPU in 8 days.  If I cross shipped for 25 extra  I could wait to ship the dead one back  and would of had it in 2 days. I did not need it that fast so I saved the 25 extra cost.

I actually do not hate bitmaintech but they are a bit short on service if gear breaks down.   They need to adapt on this.  

Some reasons:

 1) they are helping gpu miners with their short warranty
 2) break even on asic gear is not 60 to 120 days. So the 90 day warranty means your gear is almost certain to not roi under warranty  this helps gpu mining
 3) they are pretty well known for not honoring warranty   this helps gpu mining

Basically  here is my Eth setup  and I convert most coins to btc.  Bitmaintech has created demand for gpu mining.  Mostly over their warranty issues.
18 cards two 4 card rigs and five 2 card rigs.  Every piece has at least 1 year warranty or more.  Most have a 2 year warranty.

https://i.imgur.com/R72hWho.png

phil, what are you doing?  Smiley
releasing the secret of how to get the same amount of btc with 2.5-3 times less watts and a real warranty?


It is an open secret. Grin

Bitmaintech is king of ASIC world

And they need to watch for gpu world more then anything else.

Hey phil i sent you a dm if you can check it out please  Smiley
legendary
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https://locktrip.com/?refId=40964
Anyone knows some Antminer S9 Monitors ??
I had M miner Monitor with the S7 but it doesn't recognize the s9 Sad

Second Question of same category:

I have all my miners with a hosting company and work individually with my miners remotely through a vpn.  Is there a dashboard that I can view my critical information without having to remote onto each miner?




I'm about to release a product for that, maybe a month and a half more of development. We have monitoring, auto soft and hard reset and other niceties like modem/router reset on bad internet etc. No need for direct access and we will release a cloud dashboard to boot.

Here's a screenshot, of a couple of small S5 farms, sorry for the spanish language, that's one of our supported languages and my interface is on that.





this could be interesting..
do you have a site or tweetter account to stay tuned?
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