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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 255. (Read 531178 times)

legendary
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I was also thinking about awesome lasers a bit, but I only know the classroom math there instead of actually playing with them on a daily basis; be assured I am darn jealous.

One KWh is 3.6 megajoules, right?
Ja. 1000 watts x 60 sec x60 min
legendary
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I was also thinking about awesome lasers a bit, but I only know the classroom math there instead of actually playing with them on a daily basis; be assured I am darn jealous.

One KWh is 3.6 megajoules, right?
legendary
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At the risk of seeming unnecessarily pendantic, but for the sake of correctness:

Now comes where the confusions seems to be: The amount of WORK the volts and amps together produce. The unit for that is Watts or Joules and has a simple formula. Watts = Volts x Amps and the rate of use is Watts/time

Everywhere except apparently India the electric bill of all consumers be they residential or industrial is based on Watts  - from an AC source - consumed.

Watts are the amount of work; Joules are energy. Work is energy per unit time. The electric bill is actually based on energy; you are billed in accumulated kilowatt-hours (equivalent to 1 kilowatt draw [at 240VAC, about 4.17A] for one hour), which since watt = (joules / time), watt-hours = watts * time = (joules / time) * time = joules. I'm not entirely sure what to make of "the rate of use is Watts/time".

1300W in hour

24 hours x 1,3 kw =31,2 kW/h

24 hours * 1.3KW = 31.2KWh -> there is no unit division, but unit multiplication. The proper unit is kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts per hour.
Absolutely correct.
I probably should not have included Joules in the discussions because as you said, Joules are the amount of energy independent of time and it's relation to Watts is Watt-seconds eg 1 Joule = 1 watt for 1 second. Play with watts over time and Joules stay the same as in 10watts for 0.1sec still = 1 Joule.

What is fun on my end is how that equation plugs into ultra-fast lasers: eg a 1pico-sec pulse delivering 85uJ translates to a peak power of 85MW. Things get rather weird when hit with power like that... Wink

The "the rate of use is Watts/time" was applying Watts to to Watt-hours and should have been Watts x Time
legendary
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At the risk of seeming unnecessarily pendantic, but for the sake of correctness:

Now comes where the confusions seems to be: The amount of WORK the volts and amps together produce. The unit for that is Watts or Joules and has a simple formula. Watts = Volts x Amps and the rate of use is Watts/time

Everywhere except apparently India the electric bill of all consumers be they residential or industrial is based on Watts  - from an AC source - consumed.

Watts are the amount of work; Joules are energy. Work is energy per unit time. The electric bill is actually based on energy; you are billed in accumulated kilowatt-hours (equivalent to 1 kilowatt draw [at 240VAC, about 4.17A] for one hour), which since watt = (joules / time), watt-hours = watts * time = (joules / time) * time = joules. I'm not entirely sure what to make of "the rate of use is Watts/time".

1300W in hour

24 hours x 1,3 kw =31,2 kW/h

24 hours * 1.3KW = 31.2KWh -> there is no unit division, but unit multiplication. The proper unit is kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts per hour.
legendary
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Also i am asking you guys to tell how much a antminer s9 is gonna produce in a day.



Today  PPS TH/s Earnings   is 0.00115679 BTC for 1 TH/s

S9 11,8TH/s
11,8 x 0.00115679 =0,01365 BTC per day (today)

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what is the power factor.Huh

if you got a power factor we can come up with a approximate value

also without power factor the voltage results would be in infinity also you mentioned a watt value and not a kilowatt value


1300W in hour

24 hours x 1,3 kw =31,2 kW/h
legendary
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Risking a smack, Bitmain's spec for the APW3-12-1600 PSU specifies output at

DC Voltage
12V
Rated Current
133A
Rated Power
1600W

If there is a DC supply capable of providing that, why can someone not just go DC/DC direct connection?
i.e. battery/solar power without the conversion to AC and back again to DC thru a PSU?
Just asking...
That is done all the time with telecom equipment.
The only trick is to match the DC feed to what your buck regulators want to see. In fact many data centers are now using a high DC feed (typically around 380vdc) to the racks and then chop that down to what the servers need.

Technically, you could bypass the AC input rectifiers and just feed the DC to the primary side filter capacitors...
Of course, as always: IF YOU PLAY WITH LINE POWER SIDE OF A PSU -- KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR YA MIGHT GET KILLED.....
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Risking a smack, Bitmain's spec for the APW3-12-1600 PSU specifies output at

DC Voltage
12V
Rated Current
133A
Rated Power
1600W

If there is a DC supply capable of providing that, why can someone not just go DC/DC direct connection?
i.e. battery/solar power without the conversion to AC and back again to DC thru a PSU?
Just asking...
legendary
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For single phase 1 kw as 6.25 amps and power factor 0.9 it is 177 volts daily not bad.

Why i must read those law's , you guys are always there to help me out and do the math lol

so 177 volts a day is not bad unless in 4 days it consumes 2 months of my eb bill rofl .
You should read up to learn.
Cuts down on folks wanting to give a smack upside the head....

You made me laugh.  Thanks
hero member
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Always ask questions. #StandWithHongKong
... DC does not travel well over distance ...

Your statement is simply not true.

Yes, it is.

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DC installations are very expensive, which is one reason why they don't really get used below transmission voltage level.  A DC substation requires more equipment than an AC substation would require, partially becuase the conversion process requires equipment that will eliminate harmonics that are created. This is very inefficient for subtransmission and tranmission voltages below 500kV (500,000V).


We are talking about residential 240V AC power & not 500KV of power transfer.

Anyway, it's got boring now....... Roll Eyes

sr. member
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For single phase 1 kw as 6.25 amps and power factor 0.9 it is 177 volts daily not bad.

Why i must read those law's , you guys are always there to help me out and do the math lol

so 177 volts a day is not bad unless in 4 days it consumes 2 months of my eb bill rofl .
You should read up to learn.
Cuts down on folks wanting to give a smack upside the head....

i'll try the last time i tried it wasn't much profitable trust me .

lol!!!!

read an entire harry potter series in a week yes !!!!

read some physics and maths omg no thanks !!!

legendary
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For single phase 1 kw as 6.25 amps and power factor 0.9 it is 177 volts daily not bad.

Why i must read those law's , you guys are always there to help me out and do the math lol

so 177 volts a day is not bad unless in 4 days it consumes 2 months of my eb bill rofl .
You should read up to learn.
Cuts down on folks wanting to give a smack upside the head....
sr. member
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don't piss me off or else you will see the tigress
For single phase 1 kw as 6.25 amps and power factor 0.9 it is 177 volts daily not bad.

Why i must read those law's , you guys are always there to help me out and do the math lol

so 177 volts a day is not bad unless in 4 days it consumes 2 months of my eb bill rofl .

legendary
Activity: 1932
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
Hey tharani, if you want to know how much your S9 will cost to mine how much, use http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator , fill in the relevant values of your miner, plus your electricity cost (iirc, Delhi, for example, is about $0.06 per KwH for a medium size user) and you will get your answer.
legendary
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i just wanna know the correct current costs

for ac single phase

i don't know correct factor.
My s9's each pull around 1,300w.
From a 208VAC line each pulls 6.25 Amps.

The PSU's for these are small enough that they are all single-phase.

what is the power factor.Huh

if you got a power factor we can come up with a approximate value

also without power factor the voltage results would be in infinity also you mentioned a watt value and not a kilowatt value
 Roll Eyes
Where are you getting these ideas?Huh?
1,000w = 1kw
Power factor is apparent power/real power. It has nothing to do with this discussion and is generally always assumed to be a value of 1, For acedemic and nit-pickers however most good PSU's have a PF of around 0.9

Dude (or dudette) - read up on basic Ohms's (for DC) and Watt's (for AC) Laws
sr. member
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Extremely sorry guys for saying power supply is dc power supply in india is ac

also i will double clarify before having posted on here.not from just getting info from  a oversmart/overenthusiastic person.

sr. member
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i just wanna know the correct current costs

for ac single phase

i don't know correct factor.
My s9's each pull around 1,300w.
From a 208VAC line each pulls 6.25 Amps.

The PSU's for these are small enough that they are all single-phase.

what is the power factor.Huh

if you got a power factor we can come up with a approximate value

also without power factor the voltage results would be in infinity also you mentioned a watt value and not a kilowatt value
legendary
Activity: 3822
Merit: 2703
Evil beware: We have waffles!
i just wanna know the correct current costs

for ac single phase

i don't know correct factor.
My s9's each pull around 1,300w.
From a 208VAC line each pulls 6.25 Amps.

The PSU's for these are small enough that they are all single-phase.

1 or 3-phase only matters in regards to what the utility charges you. In urban areas a general rule of thumb is that if it is a commercial/industrial user and they require more than around 50kw it will generally be 3-phase power supplied.
sr. member
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i just wanna know the correct current costs for antminer s9 for 24 hours

for ac single phase and three phase

i don't know correct power factor.

also i don't know the amps

calculator here

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/kw-to-volt-calculator.htm

Also i am asking you guys to tell how much a antminer s9 is gonna produce in a day.
legendary
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"Common rogue from Russia with a bare ass."
reading all this bring me back to my high school memories...lol

OhMG  Smiley
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Fine. AC, DC, whatever. To makes things easy, let's use water as an analogy to electricity:
For water the amount of force it has is measured in PSI, kPa, whatever. For electricity the amount of force is Volts.
A quantity of water is gallons, liters, drams. A quantity of electricity is Amps.

Now comes where the confusions seems to be: The amount of WORK the volts and amps together produce. The unit for that is Watts or Joules and has a simple formula. Watts = Volts x Amps and the rate of use is Watts/time

Everywhere except apparently India the electric bill of all consumers be they residential or industrial is based on Watts  - from an AC source - consumed. For most loads this will more or less be a constant value regardless of what the line voltage does because generally if the line goes low the load will try to pull more amps to keep power constant (for motors and non-incandescent lighting).

reading all this bring me back to my high school memories...lol
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