Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 259.

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Quote from: NotFuzzyWarm on August 19, 2016, 12:18:14 PM

Very interesting.... Got my 2 batch 11's and took a look at them re: the mirco-SD slot. What do I see?

Bitmain has dropped using a Beagle Board. What on older batches was the IO board that the BB plugged into now has the ARM controller as part of it. In others words, no BB. Just the single combined ARM cpu and IO board. Also despite still having a slot in the case for a SD card, no socket for an SD card either.

Hmm.

Controller is is exactly the same as from S9 B1

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Prices on miners from bitmain hardly went down after halving makes no sense roi a year before halving it was around 4 - 5 months on the miners I bought price needs to drop in half so roi is 5-6 months before I buy

Probably never happen

A Pacmic would be nice with S9 is that going to happen?

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 19, 2016, 07:18:10 AM

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 19, 2016, 06:08:21 AM

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Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)

yes you can.

Ah, silly me it's in the manual indeed:
https://www.bitmaintech.com/files/download/AntMiner%20S9%20Installation%20Guide.pdf

However they only indicate 550MHz / 600MHz / 650MHz. Are those the only options or could I enter, say, 333 MHz ?

600
593.75
587.50
581.25
575.00

all the way down to

300 all pretty stable count down by 6.25 each setting.

I have run at 400 with no issues

Phil, @ 400MHz how much hash rate do you get? Does underclocking gain you much more efficiency or just for a longer lifespan of your miner? I have a hard time convincing myself to sacrifice the hash power they were designed to deliver.

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Very interesting.... Got my 2 batch 11's and took a look at them re: the mirco-SD slot. What do I see?

Bitmain has dropped using a Beagle Board. What on older batches was the IO board that the BB plugged into now has the ARM controller as part of it. In others words, no BB. Just the single combined ARM cpu and IO board. Also despite still having a slot in the case for a SD card, no socket for an SD card either.

Hmm.

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Now that these new batches are shipping, finally consider getting one of these.

If I sacrifice speed and downclock what is the hottest ambient temp you can run an S9? My garage has a couple S7s @ 550mhz that stay about 60C with 100F outside temp. Summer is about over so I don't expect to have to fight temps much longer.

Gotta love Bitmain being in full control over new gear (NOT!). I called it, they will drop prices like a rock as they get more units built and screw early investors.

I logged into my bitmain account for the first time in forever and made the mistake of seeing my old orders: Batch 2/4 S7s for 5.8BTC & 4.4BTC respectively. Hah!

The S9 is only 2.5BTC now but if I wait a couple months it makes me think 1.5BTC is plausible!

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Quote from: localhost on August 19, 2016, 06:27:13 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on August 19, 2016, 06:08:21 AM

Quote from: localhost on August 19, 2016, 06:07:28 AM

Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)

yes you can.

Ah, silly me it's in the manual indeed:
https://www.bitmaintech.com/files/download/AntMiner%20S9%20Installation%20Guide.pdf

However they only indicate 550MHz / 600MHz / 650MHz. Are those the only options or could I enter, say, 333 MHz ?

600
593.75
587.50
581.25
575.00

all the way down to

300 all pretty stable count down by 6.25 each setting.

I have run at 400 with no issues

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Quote from: Swimmer63 on August 18, 2016, 11:26:35 AM

I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.

nope....i have free power.....its not power at at someone house or any of that....its literally almost free because of the grant and subsidies the university gets because its a non proffit and because it is doing research on various things so yes normally it would be about .15 per kwh....but because of the other stuff that price gets offset. just thought i would throw that out there. if it was a landlord paying for my mining then i wouldnt be doin it but thats not the case with my setup. now thats not to say others arent using miners on a landlords dime but i cant speak for them just me.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 19, 2016, 06:08:21 AM

Quote from: localhost on August 19, 2016, 06:07:28 AM

Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)

yes you can.

Ah, silly me it's in the manual indeed:
https://www.bitmaintech.com/files/download/AntMiner%20S9%20Installation%20Guide.pdf

However they only indicate 550MHz / 600MHz / 650MHz. Are those the only options or could I enter, say, 333 MHz ?

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'The right to privacy matters'

Quote from: localhost on August 19, 2016, 06:07:28 AM

Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)

yes you can.

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Quote from: Sontoloyo on August 19, 2016, 04:16:19 AM

I have 3 units S7, after halving day, my earning is drop and now i still using S7, for result is drop but help because the price is increase, but need to long time for RoI, I want to know, as my experience we need about 7 months to get roi, could you calculate how long can take profit if i using S9?

I can plug in three or four sets of numbers to this calculator

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator

and give you an idea.

If you mine at kano.is

price of coin stays the same.
Difficulty averages 2%
your power is 0.08 cents
in 407 days you will be even
in 530 days you will be ahead

price of coin stays the same
difficulty averages 3%
your power is 0.08 cents
you will not break even

So a simple question is you power 8 cents? If it is maybe you make money.

You say you have s-7's so this means you have power supplies. Buying the s-9 is a tough cal if your power cost is 8 or more cents a k-watt in USA money.

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Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)

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I have 3 units S7, after halving day, my earning is drop and now i still using S7, for result is drop but help because the price is increase, but need to long time for RoI, I want to know, as my experience we need about 7 months to get roi, could you calculate how long can take profit if i using S9?

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Quote from: Biffa on August 18, 2016, 12:54:44 PM

Smileys hopefully indicated I was with you for the ride mate

Just playful banter

OK, then.
it was more like a social commentary on my part, considering that OP was obviously from US, that's all.
there is almost nothing to discuss on this thread, apart from high prices and electricity costs.
cheers

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Quote from: Biodom on August 18, 2016, 10:41:44 AM

Quote from: Biffa on August 18, 2016, 03:23:10 AM

Quote from: Biodom on August 17, 2016, 10:57:50 PM

in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...

it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct

1. bitcointalk.org is not America Tongue

2. Surely if someone can't work out the time from the OP/google/havingabrain then too bad they are too stupid to run a bitcoin miner

Its like an intelligence test

why so serious? it was just friendly banter...and TIC
yes, and bitfinex was also an intelligence test, and mt gox beforehand
maybe after a while not many people will qualify as being intelligent enough

don't you want to be as inclusive as possible?

Smileys hopefully indicated I was with you for the ride mate

Just playful banter

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Quote from: Swimmer63 on August 18, 2016, 11:26:35 AM

I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.

Depending on how you look at it, my 18kw farm at work is either 'free' power or can be considered as part of my compensation to keep me happy doing the voodoo that I do so well. I'm co-owner of our company and my other partner is fine with that. The 18kw cap is strictly of my own choosing and I if wanted to go nuts, we have ~300kw available out of a 500kw service.... But that would of course be a different story.

Since I see no out-of-pocket and it is certainly not theft, I say it is free

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Quote from: Swimmer63 on August 18, 2016, 11:26:35 AM

I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.

in some cases electricity is included in already bloated rent.
I don't think that many have free power anyway, mostly dorms, but who wants to keep S9 in a dorm?
Maybe S3. I never saw someone here presenting free power as a badge of some sort.
Disclosure-8.6-8.8c at home.

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I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.

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Quote from: Biffa on August 18, 2016, 03:23:10 AM

Quote from: Biodom on August 17, 2016, 10:57:50 PM

in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...

it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct

1. bitcointalk.org is not America Tongue

2. Surely if someone can't work out the time from the OP/google/havingabrain then too bad they are too stupid to run a bitcoin miner

Its like an intelligence test

why so serious? it was just friendly banter...and TIC
yes, and bitfinex was also an intelligence test, and mt gox beforehand
maybe after a while not many people will qualify as being intelligent enough

don't you want to be as inclusive as possible?

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ya 20% import taxes is ridiculous.

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Quote from: Tupsu on August 18, 2016, 07:52:58 AM

Quote from: numnutz2009 on August 16, 2016, 10:37:32 AM

also is the 2170 including shipping as well? i believe shipping is $60 all around per miner which is separate from the import taxes of course.

Yes. And 20% VAT should also be included to shipping costs.

example
ANTMINER S9-B2 with 12.93T × 1
1985 USD + shipping 65.91 USD = 2050.91 USD + 20% VAT = 2461 USD

The EU VAT just appears to be so scary to me Shocked

I was complaining paying 5% in my country. maybe i should shut up.

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Quote from: numnutz2009 on August 16, 2016, 10:37:32 AM

also is the 2170 including shipping as well? i believe shipping is $60 all around per miner which is separate from the import taxes of course.

Yes. And 20% VAT should also be included to shipping costs.

example
ANTMINER S9-B2 with 12.93T × 1
1985 USD + shipping 65.91 USD = 2050.91 USD + 20% VAT = 2461 USD

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