Now that these new batches are shipping, finally consider getting one of these.
If I sacrifice speed and downclock what is the hottest ambient temp you can run an S9? My garage has a couple S7s @ 550mhz that stay about 60C with 100F outside temp. Summer is about over so I don't expect to have to fight temps much longer.
Gotta love Bitmain being in full control over new gear (NOT!). I called it, they will drop prices like a rock as they get more units built and screw early investors.
I logged into my bitmain account for the first time in forever and made the mistake of seeing my old orders: Batch 2/4 S7s for 5.8BTC & 4.4BTC respectively. Hah!
The S9 is only 2.5BTC now but if I wait a couple months it makes me think 1.5BTC is plausible!
Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 259. (Read 531298 times)
August 19, 2016, 12:13:18 PM
August 19, 2016, 07:18:10 AM
Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)
yes you can.
https://www.bitmaintech.com/files/download/AntMiner%20S9%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
However they only indicate 550MHz / 600MHz / 650MHz. Are those the only options or could I enter, say, 333 MHz ?
600
593.75
587.50
581.25
575.00
all the way down to
300 all pretty stable count down by 6.25 each setting.
I have run at 400 with no issues
August 19, 2016, 07:09:44 AM
I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
nope....i have free power.....its not power at at someone house or any of that....its literally almost free because of the grant and subsidies the university gets because its a non proffit and because it is doing research on various things so yes normally it would be about .15 per kwh....but because of the other stuff that price gets offset. just thought i would throw that out there. if it was a landlord paying for my mining then i wouldnt be doin it but thats not the case with my setup. now thats not to say others arent using miners on a landlords dime but i cant speak for them just me.
August 19, 2016, 06:27:13 AM
Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)
yes you can.
https://www.bitmaintech.com/files/download/AntMiner%20S9%20Installation%20Guide.pdf
However they only indicate 550MHz / 600MHz / 650MHz. Are those the only options or could I enter, say, 333 MHz ?
August 19, 2016, 06:08:21 AM
Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)
yes you can.
I have 3 units S7, after halving day, my earning is drop and now i still using S7, for result is drop but help because the price is increase, but need to long time for RoI, I want to know, as my experience we need about 7 months to get roi, could you calculate how long can take profit if i using S9?
I can plug in three or four sets of numbers to this calculator
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator
and give you an idea.
If you mine at kano.is
price of coin stays the same.
Difficulty averages 2%
your power is 0.08 cents
in 407 days you will be even
in 530 days you will be ahead
price of coin stays the same
difficulty averages 3%
your power is 0.08 cents
you will not break even
So a simple question is you power 8 cents? If it is maybe you make money.
You say you have s-7's so this means you have power supplies. Buying the s-9 is a tough cal if your power cost is 8 or more cents a k-watt in USA money.
August 19, 2016, 06:07:28 AM
Is it possible to modify the clock frequency of the S9? (I'd be interested in underclocking it)
August 19, 2016, 04:16:19 AM
I have 3 units S7, after halving day, my earning is drop and now i still using S7, for result is drop but help because the price is increase, but need to long time for RoI, I want to know, as my experience we need about 7 months to get roi, could you calculate how long can take profit if i using S9?
August 18, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Smileys hopefully indicated I was with you for the ride mate
Just playful banterit was more like a social commentary on my part, considering that OP was obviously from US, that's all.
there is almost nothing to discuss on this thread, apart from high prices and electricity costs.
cheers
August 18, 2016, 12:54:44 PM
in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...
it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct
1. bitcointalk.org is not America
2. Surely if someone can't work out the time from the OP/google/havingabrain then too bad they are too stupid to run a bitcoin miner
Its like an intelligence test
why so serious? it was just friendly banter...and TIC
yes, and bitfinex was also an intelligence test, and mt gox beforehand
maybe after a while not many people will qualify as being intelligent enough
don't you want to be as inclusive as possible?
Smileys hopefully indicated I was with you for the ride mate
Just playful banter 
August 18, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
Depending on how you look at it, my 18kw farm at work is either 'free' power or can be considered as part of my compensation to keep me happy doing the voodoo that I do so well. I'm co-owner of our company and my other partner is fine with that. The 18kw cap is strictly of my own choosing and I if wanted to go nuts, we have ~300kw available out of a 500kw service.... But that would of course be a different story.In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
Since I see no out-of-pocket and it is certainly not theft, I say it is free
August 18, 2016, 11:46:15 AM
I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
in some cases electricity is included in already bloated rent.
I don't think that many have free power anyway, mostly dorms, but who wants to keep S9 in a dorm?
Maybe S3. I never saw someone here presenting free power as a badge of some sort.
Disclosure-8.6-8.8c at home.
August 18, 2016, 11:26:35 AM
I see a lot of miners say they have free power. No one has free power. Someone is paying for it, it's just not you.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
In some cases that "someone" may not care that you are increasing their costs. But my guess is those folks are few.
It's likely most are unwitting suppliers that would put a stop to it if they knew what you were doing with it.
I am not being high and mighty here. I would probably take advantage of a small amount of "free" power myself. It just irks me that some miners scream it like a badge of honor, when in many cases it's likely just theft. Karma's a bitch.
August 18, 2016, 10:41:44 AM
in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...
it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct
1. bitcointalk.org is not America
2. Surely if someone can't work out the time from the OP/google/havingabrain then too bad they are too stupid to run a bitcoin miner
Its like an intelligence test
why so serious? it was just friendly banter...and TIC
yes, and bitfinex was also an intelligence test, and mt gox beforehand
maybe after a while not many people will qualify as being intelligent enough
don't you want to be as inclusive as possible?
August 18, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
ya 20% import taxes is ridiculous.
August 18, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
also is the 2170 including shipping as well? i believe shipping is $60 all around per miner which is separate from the import taxes of course.
Yes. And 20% VAT should also be included to shipping costs.
example
ANTMINER S9-B2 with 12.93T × 1
1985 USD + shipping 65.91 USD = 2050.91 USD + 20% VAT = 2461 USD
The EU VAT just appears to be so scary to me
I was complaining paying 5% in my country. maybe i should shut up. 
August 18, 2016, 07:52:58 AM
also is the 2170 including shipping as well? i believe shipping is $60 all around per miner which is separate from the import taxes of course.
Yes. And 20% VAT should also be included to shipping costs.
example
ANTMINER S9-B2 with 12.93T × 1
1985 USD + shipping 65.91 USD = 2050.91 USD + 20% VAT = 2461 USD
August 18, 2016, 07:30:27 AM
Are you all CRAZY or what 99 months ROI and ppls still buy , buy bitcoin instead, is USELESS stop encouraging them , look 1400 S9+ 150 PSU+ 100 shippment + Difficulty raises 5% average you will never get ROI are you all crazy??
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
Look for yourself 11T next 15 days will maybe bring if miner doesn't stop EVER which is impossible 216 $ per month reduce next difficulty for next 15 days at about 5% so will bring about 201$ one mont about 205$ next month if MINER NEVER stops 185$ now calculate electricity fees at about 120$ per month are you all CRAZY.
This shit is only making you all lose money .... stop beeing dreamers BTC price now is low simply buy BTC is way safer how can you calculate ROI of 1 year is madness
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
Look for yourself 11T next 15 days will maybe bring if miner doesn't stop EVER which is impossible 216 $ per month reduce next difficulty for next 15 days at about 5% so will bring about 201$ one mont about 205$ next month if MINER NEVER stops 185$ now calculate electricity fees at about 120$ per month are you all CRAZY.
This shit is only making you all lose money .... stop beeing dreamers BTC price now is low simply buy BTC is way safer how can you calculate ROI of 1 year is madness
lol i have free electricity kiddo. i also have 2 dedicated root top ac units that just cool miners so its dell not "crazy" as you like to put it. but like another dude said....everyones situation is different....what is crazy for some is great for others. im lucky to have free power but i do pay $69.95 for internet for just my miners but thats not too bad.
August 18, 2016, 05:25:58 AM
Are you all CRAZY or what 99 months ROI .........................................ROI of 1 year is madness
Am beeing 100% honnest we have Totally 100% free electricity and we still don't buy Smiley those machines reliablility is too low too much work to start them up manually if you are intrested we have free electricity, and we can mind but we will never buy machines now
************
Malaysia, we have farms ready, with fans, air flow, but now empty only with about 40 S7 left, pm if you are interested
NEVER.
Read your own posts. You act like CRAZY.
As you yourself confess
you are all ignorant you should try protect ppls from getting fucked instead of encouraging them you A.H
and I do not believe in the existence of your farm.
me too don't believe, how the hell u got 100% free electricity when others pay about USD0.13/kwh in malaysia???
August 18, 2016, 03:23:10 AM
in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...
it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct
1. bitcointalk.org is not America
2. Surely if someone can't work out the time from the OP/google/havingabrain then too bad they are too stupid to run a bitcoin miner
Its like an intelligence test
August 17, 2016, 10:57:50 PM
Hello everyone,
We have good news for those who missed batch 10 and batch 11 of the Antminer S9: we are going to release two new batches!
Batch 12 and batch 13 can deliver a hashrate of 11.85TH/s and 12.93TH/s, respectively.
They will be available to order after 2300 hours (Beijing time, GMT +8) tomorrow (18 August 2016).
We suggest everybody to confirm their order here (https://goo.gl/j8PLzh) for batch 12 or here (https://goo.gl/4Bk4v9) for batch 13 before they sell out.
We wish you all a very happy mining experience with Bitmain,
the Bitmain team
We have good news for those who missed batch 10 and batch 11 of the Antminer S9: we are going to release two new batches!
Batch 12 and batch 13 can deliver a hashrate of 11.85TH/s and 12.93TH/s, respectively.
They will be available to order after 2300 hours (Beijing time, GMT +8) tomorrow (18 August 2016).
We suggest everybody to confirm their order here (https://goo.gl/j8PLzh) for batch 12 or here (https://goo.gl/4Bk4v9) for batch 13 before they sell out.
We wish you all a very happy mining experience with Bitmain,
the Bitmain team
Just to get the time correct/confirmed, this would be 11am EDT....correct?
Hi AriesIV10,
Its 11PM on 18 August 2016, GMT +8.
Regards,
the Bitmain team
in America nobody (well, almost nobody) knows what GMT is...so GMT+8 means something close to nothing
however, google helps...
it is 8am pacific, 10am central and 11am eastern, correct
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