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20 free spin not received signup bonus

Hi there,

I'm not sure of your definition of a "Scam", but following the terms and conditions of the site would not
qualify as a scam by any standards. That doesn't just apply to us or a casino, that goes for any industry
in the world. If you do not agree with the terms and conditions of the site, then I hope you find another
site that suits you better, but if you want to play at BitStarz, the rules has to be followed.

Kind Regards,

Mike

There is whole thread dedicated to it, and you know about it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454521.140
Bitstarz is not directly scamming people, it is more like enforcing unfavorable ToS rules - i.e. confiscating players' bankroll - which for many people is borderline scammy behaviour.

Hi there,

It would be great if you could elaborate on how we're scamming people?

Mike

Hi there Sean,

Just because you're unhappy with the casino it doesn't give you
the right to spread slanderous rumors. You know just as well
as us that this is a complete lie, so no need to fabricating it.

Mike

Really, do you have the news or source? I wish this is legit, they spend much money on coinmarketcap.com banners for scamming ppl.

This casino was recently audited by authorities in the USA, and is a fraud casino.....

Hi guys,

I'll try to reply to this as objectively as I can.

When it comes to max bet rules with bonuses, yes it exist, but it's not uncommon when playing
online. A google search confirms this pretty quickly, and as a player it's always important to be
aware of the rules prior to start playing. We're doing our best to get this information out there
and it's displayed in general terms, bonus terms, and reminders about going through the rules
prior to playing can be found on the promotion page, in all bonus emails and on the deposit page.

If you do not agree with the max bet rule, that's totally OK. But as a player you have an obligation
to follow the rules of the site. If you do not agree with the rules, we respect that and hope you
find another site that suits you better. Thankfully you have the freedom to play anywhere you like.

Now, to the accusation that we change rules to try to screw people over when they win big, it would
be great to see some evidence for that. This is obviously not true and a slanderous accusation without
any truth behind it.

As for Pocket Dice and all the other games, they're all regulated by both a gaming commission and
the mechanics of the games have a random number generator which is also verified by at least one
third party. Sure, one can claim that it's all a big conspiracy too, but then again you can claim that
the NFL, the national lottery and the moon landing was a big hoax too. All I can ask of anyone out
here is to hear both sides of the story and make up your own mind.

If anyone has any questions regarding BitStarz or how the casino industry works, I'd be happy to answer
that. I'd also like to point out that all licensed casinos with game providers that are also licensed work
exactly the same in terms of game mechanics. We cannot and would not manipulate any game, it's
impossible.

Mike

Obviously he means this:  https://www.bitstarz.com/games#game-pocketdice-dice-13578

Bitstarz has pocket dice game. If pocket dice and bitstarz are both scam, I worry about the players' money

Its really annoying to see what guys are really going through only to make a legitimate and risky income. In addition to being frustrated by those who are to protect the interest of guys from this unethical practice of Bistarz even though other forums that have compromised in handling this matter, I belive a good amount of reputation has been lost because of this and it will take long to recoverfrom that I am sure of.

Dont know if they really scammed because past few months ago, i play on their site and they paid me out a good amount when i win some amount though. May be this only apply on some big winners. But at that time i didnt activate their bonus too in case something like this will happen some day. Btw does pocketdice have anything to do with bitstarz? Although pocketdice scam you dont need to said it on people thread though

Bitstarz is a scam as well, there are many complaints about double or changing terms when you won big money here. These 2 scams cooperate to scam people money, so that's why they still lists pocket dice there.

Hi yesterday i ask support why they still dont remove scam pocketdice from site.
Guy from support tell me he don't know nothing about pocketdice scam and he cant do nothing.
Remove this scam site from your site! They dont wanna to pay big win's.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pocketdiceio-scammed-102btc-please-help-1620544
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pocket-dice-356422 (nice trust feedback)

I thought bonuses were supposed to make their players happy Scary bonuses 


You should really do what RHavar suggests, or close your casino.

You can also compensate the players you have ripped off with your one sided terms. You can take just the proportionate winnings and bet amounts from the bets above max bet, and multiply the remaining wagering requirement with 0.95 if any to calculate the final balance. (You cannot claim this is unfair)

Dont play on this scummy site.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/solved-bitstarz-removes-175-btc-balance-according-to-breaking-bonus-terms-1623739

Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I reached out to just about every major review site, including askgamblers. Askgamblers deleted my complaint/account and told me it wasn't valid, as did the others. They basically shunned me and told me to F off... It is primarily because they are part of the BitStarz affiliate program, which there is nothing wrong with. I am a big advocate of affiliate programs, but when a company has had this many valid complaints and they refuse to fix the problem or even offer the players a legitimate solution they should really start to reconsider promoting them.

I believe it probably converts really well for them and they are making a lot of money with it b.c. of the great bonuses and free spins that BitStarz issues. Unfortunately that means nothing when the company is known to scam winning players consistently, knowingly and for a prolonged period of time. If they keep it up, word will spread and they will go bankrupt soon enough (if they aren't already). I just hope they don't con any more players like they did to me. They confiscated what would now be about $12,000 USD so I'm still pretty pissed as you can imagine.

Even though they have most likely scammed hundreds of other players in the past, they pissed off the wrong person this time. I have been working for many months in my spare time to shed light on this scam so others don't have to go through the same thing. I guess their reputation isn't worth that much to them which blows my mind. Public perception is everything with any company, especially gambling related and it seems like they are going out of their way to ruin their own reputation. Also in gambling $12,000 isn't all that much money, and if you can't afford to pay players out for that amount there are probably much bigger issues going on behind the scenes.

Man, that really sucks. I don't think they're getting any traffic any more from the bitcoin community as it seems here and reddit they're widely known as a scam site. If you haven't already, I'd leave your story on askgamblers.com and try file a dispute there. They are miraculously highly rated there, so I suspect that makes the vast bulk of their traffic

Sorry to hear you had the same problem as me

Just an update on this, it has been several months and BitStarz has not rectified the situation in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER... What may be even more disturbing is the fact that they have not made a single change to their terms & conditions OR the way they operate their "company" - so all these absurd stipulations and bonus rules remain carefully hidden. They are still banking on players not reading them and betting over the 0.025mbtc limit so that if the player wins, they can confiscate the winnings. If the player loses, they don't say anything of course... This is aside from many other unfair ways that they use their terms and conditions against players solely to maximize their profits, no matter how morally wrong it is; they don't seem to care.

Needless to say, they are still using the same scam tactics they have been using since day one. It is extremely frustrating, but I hope that by me sharing my story (and the countless others that were scammed by BitStarz doing the same), it will deter new players from experiencing the frustration that we all went through. Hopefully it costs them much more than the 20BTC they scammed me out of in the long run, so they can see how that feels...