Boxing: Anthony Joshua vs Robert Helenius (replacement)

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 13, 2023, 05:26:25 AM

For sure this kind of knock win will boost the confidence back of Joshua to all time high. He was hit numerous times in this fight though, but still he seems to be intact and hasn't taken that much damage as compare to last fight with Usyk wherein he was really beaten physically and mentally.

The last time Anthony Joshua knockout his opponent in a boxing fight was three years ago. Having a knockout like this has boosted his confidence back that he can beat other top fighters like Wilder. He now wishes that his next fight should be against Wilder not when confirmed who his next fighter would be. His sole aim and focus now is for he to smash Wilder's head.

The organizers of WBC should at least fix Anthony Joshua and Wilder to fight one another. Since Anthony Joshua is now longer for it to happen any time. How I wish the fight should happen so that we'll know who owns the ring. Am anticipating for it to come to fulfillment by next year

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 13, 2023, 06:59:30 AM

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No, Helenius just had a fight a week ago against Mika Mielonen and won by TKO in round 3. So he is pretty much still fresh and we can say that he is still battle ready to face Joshua.

Cutting weight in a short amount of time alone will not help Robert Helenius in this fight, so it was a given verdict because it is literally impossible for someone to be battle ready after a fight a week ago in the professional level.

Cutting weight in heavyweight boxing division - what are you talking about ? Cheesy

They just need to be over 91kg and that is it. 91kg or 191kg - it is still a heavyweight. Imho, after looking what kind of fight Helenius had before this fight, one week of a rest looks enough. His opponent wasnt a world star.

In general, not impressed with AJ performance. Such opponents like Helenius he should finish much quicker. If he plans to face Wilder next, then he needs a miracle to win that fight.

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Quote from: yazher on August 13, 2023, 12:46:03 PM

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It should be between these two, tune fights should be over for Joshua, and start focusing and getting back his lost reputation, he twice loses it against Ruiz Jr. and Usyk a win for these two Wilder and Fury will establish him as one of the greatest heavyweight, right now Fury enjoy the title, what Joshua got to lose more if he takes the risk and fight these two since these two and Usyk are the hindrances to become the greatest boxer of his era, he should dive for it he is not getting any younger anymore.

I think his confidence was lost when he fought Ruiz for the first time and lost that fight and he wasn't able to move on from that loss which caused him to lose much confidence in fighting stronger opponents nowadays. But the right match for him after this win would be versus Wilder because they already have losses and if he is able to win that fight and manage to knock out Wilder which is hard for him obviously, he will be able to face Tyson Fury after that and probably increased his chance to win against the real champ.

I think he got his momentum and his confidence back based on the interview after the fight

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When asked about the upcoming fight with Wilder, he quipped: 'I've got a back issue. My back is gone because I have to carry this heavyweight division to the top.'

he thinks that he believes that he is the one carrying the heavyweight division when we have a lot of great boxers in this ear that has the right to say this word, let's see now if his arrogant will carry on when its time to meet Deontay Wilder, Hearns has promised that they will try to complete the deal, we're hoping that Wilder's camp is also open to the deal also, and there should be no more delay.

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Quote from: robelneo on August 13, 2023, 07:59:47 AM

It should be between these two, tune fights should be over for Joshua, and start focusing and getting back his lost reputation, he twice loses it against Ruiz Jr. and Usyk a win for these two Wilder and Fury will establish him as one of the greatest heavyweight, right now Fury enjoy the title, what Joshua got to lose more if he takes the risk and fight these two since these two and Usyk are the hindrances to become the greatest boxer of his era, he should dive for it he is not getting any younger anymore.

I think his confidence was lost when he fought Ruiz for the first time and lost that fight and he wasn't able to move on from that loss which caused him to lose much confidence in fighting stronger opponents nowadays. But the right match for him after this win would be versus Wilder because they already have losses and if he is able to win that fight and manage to knock out Wilder which is hard for him obviously, he will be able to face Tyson Fury after that and probably increased his chance to win against the real champ.

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Eddie Hearn mentioned that he has some fights lined up for AJ, and he even mentioned Tyson Fury? I don't understand. How is it possible to include a champion when AJ isn't even a champion or a mandatory challenger to a champion? I think he should first get past Deontay Wilder, and then maybe we can discuss him fighting Fury.

Furthermore, there's no confirmed winner yet in a potential fight between Usyk and Fury. If Usyk were to emerge victorious, it would disrupt all the plans that Eddie Hearn had put in place.

It may not be as exciting as 5 years ago but it will still generate interest if Wilder and Joshua decide to make a deal, both fighters are hungry to get back on top, one will go down the other will go up to challenge either Fury or Usyk, I think Joshua is ready to take Wilder and so is Wilder, it's not the time for both fighters to be hesitant to fight each other as they badly need a big win to get on top again, and besides they are both even.

That fight, Wilder vs Joshua has been brewing for years, when they are still very hot and has the belt and no losses at all. But still though, there could still be hype around this fight even if they have gotten losses already specially Joshua.

But if in any case this version of Joshua shows against Wilder, I'm not sure if he can overcome the Bronze Bomber. Joshua's chin is not the same anymore, it has been broken many times already and if Wilder touches that, for sure he will go down.

Talking about this fight though, Joshua could somewhat regain that cockiness in him winning by knockout but it won't help him when he deals with Wilder next as it is the plan.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 13, 2023, 06:59:30 AM

Cutting weight in a short amount of time alone will not help Robert Helenius in this fight, so it was a given verdict because it is literally impossible for someone to be battle ready after a fight a week ago in the professional level.

There should be no weight issues at all. They were fighting at heavyweight where there is no limit to how heavy you can be. Maybe if there was some disparity in size they might try to put a clause in the contract but that was unnecessary here as both fighters are naturally close in weight.

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Quote from: Viscore on August 13, 2023, 09:36:58 AM

Eddie Hearn mentioned that he has some fights lined up for AJ, and he even mentioned Tyson Fury? I don't understand. How is it possible to include a champion when AJ isn't even a champion or a mandatory challenger to a champion? I think he should first get past Deontay Wilder, and then maybe we can discuss him fighting Fury.

Furthermore, there's no confirmed winner yet in a potential fight between Usyk and Fury. If Usyk were to emerge victorious, it would disrupt all the plans that Eddie Hearn had put in place.

It may not be as exciting as 5 years ago but it will still generate interest if Wilder and Joshua decide to make a deal, both fighters are hungry to get back on top, one will go down the other will go up to challenge either Fury or Usyk, I think Joshua is ready to take Wilder and so is Wilder, it's not the time for both fighters to be hesitant to fight each other as they badly need a big win to get on top again, and besides they are both even.

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Quote from: robelneo on August 13, 2023, 07:59:47 AM

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And as Eddie Hearn said, they have 3 fight line up for Joshua, so against Whyte or Helenius for that matter. And then next superfights with Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. So let's see if this is going to happen next year.

It should be between these two, tune fights should be over for Joshua, and start focusing and getting back his lost reputation, he twice loses it against Ruiz Jr. and Usyk a win for these two Wilder and Fury will establish him as one of the greatest heavyweight, right now Fury enjoy the title, what Joshua got to lose more if he takes the risk and fight these two since these two and Usyk are the hindrances to become the greatest boxer of his era, he should dive for it he is not getting any younger anymore.

Eddie Hearn mentioned that he has some fights lined up for AJ, and he even mentioned Tyson Fury? I don't understand. How is it possible to include a champion when AJ isn't even a champion or a mandatory challenger to a champion? I think he should first get past Deontay Wilder, and then maybe we can discuss him fighting Fury.

Furthermore, there's no confirmed winner yet in a potential fight between Usyk and Fury. If Usyk were to emerge victorious, it would disrupt all the plans that Eddie Hearn had put in place.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 13, 2023, 07:24:23 AM

And as Eddie Hearn said, they have 3 fight line up for Joshua, so against Whyte or Helenius for that matter. And then next superfights with Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. So let's see if this is going to happen next year.

It should be between these two, tune fights should be over for Joshua, and start focusing and getting back his lost reputation, he twice loses it against Ruiz Jr. and Usyk a win for these two Wilder and Fury will establish him as one of the greatest heavyweight, right now Fury enjoy the title, what Joshua got to lose more if he takes the risk and fight these two since these two and Usyk are the hindrances to become the greatest boxer of his era, he should dive for it he is not getting any younger anymore.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 13, 2023, 06:59:30 AM

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No, Helenius just had a fight a week ago against Mika Mielonen and won by TKO in round 3. So he is pretty much still fresh and we can say that he is still battle ready to face Joshua.

Cutting weight in a short amount of time alone will not help Robert Helenius in this fight, so it was a given verdict because it is literally impossible for someone to be battle ready after a fight a week ago in the professional level.

Quote from: Baofeng on August 13, 2023, 06:45:00 AM

However, we've seen the difference though, Joshua is in top tier of the Heavyweight division while Helenius is below. And as he pointed out, he would rather face a late replacement than facing a drug cheater.

Anthony Joshua wanted to regain his confidence and he was really patient in the early rounds while Robert Helenius was the aggressor but from the 3rd round onwards Joshua started to land some heavy hooks and then his confidence level was out of the roof and the win was inevitable.

I think it's pretty obvious that this is going to be a mismatch from the very beginning. Even if Robert has prepared 100% in this fight, I doubt that he can just pull a upset against this version of Anthony Joshua. And it's bound that a knockout is going to happen and that's what we have witnessed in this fight.

And as Eddie Hearn said, they have 3 fight line up for Joshua, so against Whyte or Helenius for that matter. And then next superfights with Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury. So let's see if this is going to happen next year.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 13, 2023, 06:45:00 AM

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No, Helenius just had a fight a week ago against Mika Mielonen and won by TKO in round 3. So he is pretty much still fresh and we can say that he is still battle ready to face Joshua.

Cutting weight in a short amount of time alone will not help Robert Helenius in this fight, so it was a given verdict because it is literally impossible for someone to be battle ready after a fight a week ago in the professional level.

Quote from: Baofeng on August 13, 2023, 06:45:00 AM

However, we've seen the difference though, Joshua is in top tier of the Heavyweight division while Helenius is below. And as he pointed out, he would rather face a late replacement than facing a drug cheater.

Anthony Joshua wanted to regain his confidence and he was really patient in the early rounds while Robert Helenius was the aggressor but from the 3rd round onwards Joshua started to land some heavy hooks and then his confidence level was out of the roof and the win was inevitable.

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Quote from: Bananington on August 13, 2023, 05:57:59 AM

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For sure this kind of knock win will boost the confidence back of Joshua to all time high. He was hit numerous times in this fight though, but still he seems to be intact and hasn't taken that much damage as compare to last fight with Usyk wherein he was really beaten physically and mentally.

Helenius did his best to put up a good fight and stay up to the seventh round for a fight that he had less than a month to plan and prepare for. Joshua could have gotten the win through his powerful right hand, but I still see him as not aggressive enough with his powerful right hand. If Joshua is as aggressive as Mike Tyson was in his days, Joshua will be a more deadlier fighter to face. Helenius got exhausted in the fight and could not keep his hands up to defend himself for Anthony Joshua's heavy blows. Congratulations to Anthony Joshua, we look forward to his next fight.

No, Helenius just had a fight a week ago against Mika Mielonen and won by TKO in round 3. So he is pretty much still fresh and we can say that he is still battle ready to face Joshua.

However, we've seen the difference though, Joshua is in top tier of the Heavyweight division while Helenius is below. And as he pointed out, he would rather face a late replacement than facing a drug cheater.

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Quote from: btc_angela on August 13, 2023, 05:26:25 AM

For sure this kind of knock win will boost the confidence back of Joshua to all time high. He was hit numerous times in this fight though, but still he seems to be intact and hasn't taken that much damage as compare to last fight with Usyk wherein he was really beaten physically and mentally.

Helenius did his best to put up a good fight and stay up to the seventh round for a fight that he had less than a month to plan and prepare for. Joshua could have gotten the win through his powerful right hand, but I still see him as not aggressive enough with his powerful right hand. If Joshua is as aggressive as Mike Tyson was in his days, Joshua will be a more deadlier fighter to face. Helenius got exhausted in the fight and could not keep his hands up to defend himself for Anthony Joshua's heavy blows. Congratulations to Anthony Joshua, we look forward to his next fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 13, 2023, 01:42:52 AM

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Most important thing is that AJ is back and his mindset and his confidence is with him again after winning a knockout win. I think Eddie Hearn has accomplished what they want in this fight. Make AJ look again and try to resurrect his career with such KO win.

I hope that win via knockout brought his confidence back as that is very important in boxing and confidence is missing in Joshua previous fights. Hearns need to close the deal between Joshua and Wilder because if the former will face another tune-up, this mega-fight (Wilder vs Joshua) might not happen as Joshua is so unpredictable that he could lose to anyone, anytime.

For sure this kind of knock win will boost the confidence back of Joshua to all time high. He was hit numerous times in this fight though, but still he seems to be intact and hasn't taken that much damage as compare to last fight with Usyk wherein he was really beaten physically and mentally.

I think this is the goal of Eddie Hearn, if Joshua can win and win impressively, then he can set up a Wilder fight maybe late this year or early next year as they are targeting the fight to be held in Saudi Arabia as there is big money in that oil rich nation.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 13, 2023, 01:42:52 AM

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Most important thing is that AJ is back and his mindset and his confidence is with him again after winning a knockout win. I think Eddie Hearn has accomplished what they want in this fight. Make AJ look again and try to resurrect his career with such KO win.

I hope that win via knockout brought his confidence back as that is very important in boxing and confidence is missing in Joshua previous fights. Hearns need to close the deal between Joshua and Wilder because if the former will face another tune-up, this mega-fight (Wilder vs Joshua) might not happen as Joshua is so unpredictable that he could lose to anyone, anytime.

Hearn said that they will start negotiating with Wilder next week. So maybe we are going to see this fight next. Although I was also the impression that Wilder will also do one fight for this year against Andy Ruiz.

But it seems that the negotiating has crumbled as Ruiz said that they are not satisfied on what the offers of Wilder is and he thought that they have agreed verbally on the split. But in papers it seems to be very different as per Ruiz camp.

So good win by Joshua with that right hand.

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Quote from: TravelMug on August 13, 2023, 01:35:08 AM

Most important thing is that AJ is back and his mindset and his confidence is with him again after winning a knockout win. I think Eddie Hearn has accomplished what they want in this fight. Make AJ look again and try to resurrect his career with such KO win.

I hope that win via knockout brought his confidence back as that is very important in boxing and confidence is missing in Joshua previous fights. Hearns need to close the deal between Joshua and Wilder because if the former will face another tune-up, this mega-fight (Wilder vs Joshua) might not happen as Joshua is so unpredictable that he could lose to anyone, anytime.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 12, 2023, 08:36:31 PM

While the knockout might have been devastating, this wasn't such a great performance by Anthony Joshua. He gets hurt any time a punch lands cleanly and he gets hit too often. A fight against Wilder will certainly be explosive but it is highly likely that AJ will get badly hurt.

Yes, I think we all know that AJ has really change a lot ever since that first defeat from Andy Ruiz. Although prior he has been tag but we don't see any further damage from him and it seems he can take it. But after the defeat from Ruiz, he was really exposed.

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Anthony Joshua just knock out Helenius in the 7th round of the fight

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Its not a sensational knockout compared to what Wilder did to Helenius but this is a good knock for Joshua now we have a Wilder -Joshua, and Hearns is looking forward to closing the deal

Most important thing is that AJ is back and his mindset and his confidence is with him again after winning a knockout win. I think Eddie Hearn has accomplished what they want in this fight. Make AJ look again and try to resurrect his career with such KO win.

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While the knockout might have been devastating, this wasn't such a great performance by Anthony Joshua. He gets hurt any time a punch lands cleanly and he gets hit too often. A fight against Wilder will certainly be explosive but it is highly likely that AJ will get badly hurt.

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Anthony Joshua just knock out Helenius in the 7th round of the fight

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Its not a sensational knockout compared to what Wilder did to Helenius but this is a good knock for Joshua now we have a Wilder -Joshua, and Hearns is looking forward to closing the deal

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Obviously he is not a good replacement, but they will have to find a boxer that needs to cover and it just so happen that Helenius is there but then, not sure if he is battle ready or not.

Helenius is not a good replacement and he is not ready at all imho. Several days ago he had a fight against Mika Mielonen (a professional boxer with 6-1 record, but against poor boxers) and won, but Mika managed to get Helenius few times. If Helenius cant dodge, block punches from such average fighter and it took him 3 rounds to KO Mika, then Joshua gonna finish Helenius in first round, or in second, if sponsors would ask him for at least one advertisement to be aired during rounds Cheesy

That could indeed be a possibility, as AJ is seeking an impressive victory to reinvigorate his reputation. Many of the replacements are not top-tier boxers, often being seen as secondary options. While there are instances of surprise wins by replacements, such as Ugas against Pacman, it's important to understand that this isn't a championship fight. Consequently, I'm skeptical that Helenius could cause an upset in this scenario.

On a different note, we might witness AJ adopting a less aggressive approach, as excessive aggression could lead to carelessness and potential upsets. Instead, he might opt for a consistent strategy, which could possibly result in a late-round knockout.

You can't tell with these relatively unknown fighters. They might land a lucky hit that might result to a defeat to the favorite, though it would be a rookie mistake and careless on AJ's part to just rush in and throw a flurry of punches to Helenius. The dude is still a boxer, and he can throw in some punches alright, so it's entirely possible that one mistake from AJ might lead to another due to overconfidence. I'd like it to finish in a swift and convincing fashion, although I'd understand if Joshua takes his sweet time inside the ring with Helenius.

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