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Chisora for me is not a good replacement the guy is done it's going to be easy work for Joshua, why not proceed with the Wilder fight and make it a winner-take-all fight, whoever losses should retire, both fighters want a way up and both are highly motivated to remain on top, this is a money-making fight after all they are the hottest item 4 years ago.
I agree with your comment; cancel the fight and proceed to Wilder. Fans don't want to get robbed for the money they are paying, so promoters should provide a fight that is worth watching. I read before that Wilder vs AJ is the undercard for Fury vs Usyk. Maybe they just have to wait for the moment to happen. Right now, they have to finalize the contract and just start training. I'm sure the fight is going to happen within this year, right?

Perhaps what they are thinking is just bringing the confidence inside of Joshua first before fighting Wilder. He needs a tune up fight and that is supposedly White. Well if AJ can beat Chisora easy then why have that fight?

Getting into Wilder after losing back to back to Usyk is going to be suicide for AJ in my opinion. And that's why he needs some cherry pick fight first before going up against Wilder. And Wilder himself has a supposedly scheduled fight against Andy Ruiz but not sure if that fight is going to happen.
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Chisora for me is not a good replacement the guy is done it's going to be easy work for Joshua, why not proceed with the Wilder fight and make it a winner-take-all fight, whoever losses should retire, both fighters want a way up and both are highly motivated to remain on top, this is a money-making fight after all they are the hottest item 4 years ago.
I agree with your comment; cancel the fight and proceed to Wilder. Fans don't want to get robbed for the money they are paying, so promoters should provide a fight that is worth watching. I read before that Wilder vs AJ is the undercard for Fury vs Usyk. Maybe they just have to wait for the moment to happen. Right now, they have to finalize the contract and just start training. I'm sure the fight is going to happen within this year, right?
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And it was reported, that it will be Chisora that will replaced Whyte in this fight?

Not confirmed yet, but they need to find someone to replace the disgrace Dillian Whyte. And another British legend, David Haye said that Chisora called him about a week ago and says that Whyte is going to fail the drug test.

So let's see if this is going to be official or not.

It's now official Whyte is out and Joshua and DAZN need to find a replacement if Joshua wants to push for the date of the fight.

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Matchroom Boxing announced Saturday morning that Whyte was removed from the heavyweight sequel after a random drug test as contracted through Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) “returned adverse analytical findings as part of a random anti-doping protocol.

“In light of this news, the fight will be cancelled, and a full investigation will be conducted.”

Chisora for me is not a good replacement the guy is done it's going to be easy work for Joshua, why not proceed with the Wilder fight and make it a winner-take-all fight, whoever losses should retire, both fighters want a way up and both are highly motivated to remain on top, this is a money-making fight after all they are the hottest item 4 years ago.

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And it was reported, that it will be Chisora that will replaced Whyte in this fight?

Not confirmed yet, but they need to find someone to replace the disgrace Dillian Whyte. And another British legend, David Haye said that Chisora called him about a week ago and says that Whyte is going to fail the drug test.

So let's see if this is going to be official or not.

I will put a grain of salt on that statement from David Haye. If Chisora is the replacement, then so be it. But we don't want to hear like Del Boy really knows and see what the future will be. Perhaps he just want to keep in shape and you know, if there is an opportunity like this, then he could grab it right away.

And Chisora will be tailor fight for Joshua, age 39 and coming from a brutal beating in the hands of Tyson Fury.


As for the positive results on Dillian Whyte, if my memory serves me right, this is not the first time that he was caught with illegal substance.
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And it was reported, that it will be Chisora that will replaced Whyte in this fight?

Not confirmed yet, but they need to find someone to replace the disgrace Dillian Whyte. And another British legend, David Haye said that Chisora called him about a week ago and says that Whyte is going to fail the drug test.

So let's see if this is going to be official or not.
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So this fight is called off after Dillian Whyte's samples went positive according to VADA. Rumors are that Matchroom is looking for a replacement to face AJ in the main event. We'll see if they can find someone willing to face AJ in a week's notice.
It is a huge disappointment to many of us who have looked forward to expecting to see AJ go against Dillian again for the third time.

This is a really bad record for Dillian Whyte that will create a stereotype, he will most likely end up with a ban after the investigation has been carried out and he is found guilty, the ban may span a number of years.

Dillian claims to be innocent -
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“I can confirm without a shadow of doubt that I have not taken the reported substance, in this camp or at any point in my life. I am completely innocent and ask to be given the time to go through the process of proving this without anybody jumping to conclusions or a trial by media.”
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We will know more in a couple of days as more findings come to light.
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The fight is off now due to a failed drug test by Whyte  Roll Eyes.
This is a bummer, Anthony Joshua wanted this fight to happen because he wanted to reboot his confidence and what more than an opponent he once defeated but i was expecting Dillian Whyte to land some heavy shots and surprise Anthony Joshua in the rematch and may even become even with one each.

Oh well, everyone was thinking that this could be just a walk in the park for Joshua and win and bring back his confidence. And just like the case of others before him, he pleaded not guilty, but we will see what will be the outcome, for sure they are going to look at his B sample.

If we have to recall back, Conor Benn failed a drug test too when he was supposedly to face Chris Eubank Jr. But was cleared later

But it's too late for Dillian Whyte here, the best thing for Matchroom is to find a replacement ASAP.
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The fight is off now due to a failed drug test by Whyte  Roll Eyes.
This is a bummer, Anthony Joshua wanted this fight to happen because he wanted to reboot his confidence and what more than an opponent he once defeated but i was expecting Dillian Whyte to land some heavy shots and surprise Anthony Joshua in the rematch and may even become even with one each.

It is highly unlikely the rematch will take place again after the failed drug test, Anthony Joshua will be looking to fight Deontay Wilder which could be another blockbuster fight they can make.
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I read that Eddie Hearn wanted to put that fight in Saudi Arabia and they are willing to pay for that fight whatever the cost it.

So Joshua really need this one badly if he wants to continue with his career, or at least get a good pay check next, whether Wilder or Fury for all British Showdown. So everything hangs on this fight. And if by chance he is upset by Whyte, not sure how he can bounce back and he might say good bye to that $100 million that Eddie Hearn might be whispering in his ears.

There are lots of wealthy people in Saudi Arabia, so they can afford to make that fight happen in their country. Just imagine how much AJ would make, even though he is considered the underdog in the fight. Winning the fight would open better opportunities for him. Usyk vs Fury is an anticipated fight, but it doesn't have the same buzz as Fury vs Wilder, or maybe Wilder vs AJ. Personally, I believe Fury will be able to dominate the fight due to his length and height advantage, but it will be exciting to watch if there's going to be a KO.

So, here's the scenario: If Fury beats Usyk and AJ beats Wilder, then the possibility of AJ vs Fury happening would be high.
Like what you said above before the fight is AJ vs Furry they need to win their respective matchup first as we all know how hard their opponent is, like this one WILDER is one of the great boxer do AJ must do his best to win against wilder as we all know if that will happen then it will lead AJ to become a champion and have a chance to play the winner of USYk vs furry. But one thing for sure furry can dominate usyk.
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So this fight is called off after Dillian Whyte's samples went positive according to VADA. Rumors are that Matchroom is looking for a replacement to face AJ in the main event. We'll see if they can find someone willing to face AJ in a week's notice.

The main supporting bout in this event is a battle between undefeated heavyweights, the IBF mandatory Filip Hrgovic, and Demsey McKean. Maybe AJ should take McKean but it could be too risky. I have zero belief that AJ takes Hrgovic. The Croatian deserves a title fight in years already and he will butcher AJ if given the chance as Whyte's replacement.
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I read that Eddie Hearn wanted to put that fight in Saudi Arabia and they are willing to pay for that fight whatever the cost it.

So Joshua really need this one badly if he wants to continue with his career, or at least get a good pay check next, whether Wilder or Fury for all British Showdown. So everything hangs on this fight. And if by chance he is upset by Whyte, not sure how he can bounce back and he might say good bye to that $100 million that Eddie Hearn might be whispering in his ears.

There are lots of wealthy people in Saudi Arabia, so they can afford to make that fight happen in their country. Just imagine how much AJ would make, even though he is considered the underdog in the fight. Winning the fight would open better opportunities for him. Usyk vs Fury is an anticipated fight, but it doesn't have the same buzz as Fury vs Wilder, or maybe Wilder vs AJ. Personally, I believe Fury will be able to dominate the fight due to his length and height advantage, but it will be exciting to watch if there's going to be a KO.

So, here's the scenario: If Fury beats Usyk and AJ beats Wilder, then the possibility of AJ vs Fury happening would be high.
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So now that Jamal James' best fighter was badly outclassed and was battered from pillar to post, I am pretty sure it has some mental effects on Anthony Joshua who is battling the mental effects of his previous defeats. He might start to doubt James' game plan and effectiveness. Luckily for him, he is facing a fighter whom he had already beaten by stoppage and is known to fatigue in the late rounds. After Spence's failed aggressive strategy by getting countered a lot, I won't be surprised if AJ will stick to his boxing skills and will only become aggressive if Whyte is getting hurt or gassed out in the late rounds.
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^^ Yes, I think it's a good plan money wise for Eddie and Joshua as well. Having to fight Dillian Whyte here, bring back Joshua mind and his confidence and then look for Wilder which we have been waiting for many years, when they were still has no defeats in their record and when the Gypsy King is not yet making a comeback. But everything has change now, Fury comes back, takes all the glory beat Wilder and then Joshua losing to Ruiz and it's the start of his being reluctant to pull the trigger. But at least he can still make a lot of money and maybe this 3 HW's can smell the Saudi money, LOL. Perhaps we are talking here about minimum $50M-$100M waiting for them if they all make a fight in Saudi whether as undercard or facing each other. (Fury vs Usyk, Wilder vs Joshua in same card).
That would have been a great treat for the fans. This country is really willing to spend a lot of money just to bring in good fighters. All these fighters were champions; I mean AJ and Wilder were previous champs before they lost to Usyk and Fury, respectively. However, since they are still active until now, that gives us a chance to witness the fight that we have been hoping for.

Usyk vs Fury is a good championship fight, but Fury has the edge here. I'm predicting he'll be listed as the heavy favorite. On the other hand, Wilder vs AJ should be a close contest, but I'm seeing Wilder being set up as a slight favorite by the bookies.

I read that Eddie Hearn wanted to put that fight in Saudi Arabia and they are willing to pay for that fight whatever the cost it.

So Joshua really need this one badly if he wants to continue with his career, or at least get a good pay check next, whether Wilder or Fury for all British Showdown. So everything hangs on this fight. And if by chance he is upset by Whyte, not sure how he can bounce back and he might say good bye to that $100 million that Eddie Hearn might be whispering in his ears.
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^^ Yes, I think it's a good plan money wise for Eddie and Joshua as well. Having to fight Dillian Whyte here, bring back Joshua mind and his confidence and then look for Wilder which we have been waiting for many years, when they were still has no defeats in their record and when the Gypsy King is not yet making a comeback. But everything has change now, Fury comes back, takes all the glory beat Wilder and then Joshua losing to Ruiz and it's the start of his being reluctant to pull the trigger. But at least he can still make a lot of money and maybe this 3 HW's can smell the Saudi money, LOL. Perhaps we are talking here about minimum $50M-$100M waiting for them if they all make a fight in Saudi whether as undercard or facing each other. (Fury vs Usyk, Wilder vs Joshua in same card).
That would have been a great treat for the fans. This country is really willing to spend a lot of money just to bring in good fighters. All these fighters were champions; I mean AJ and Wilder were previous champs before they lost to Usyk and Fury, respectively. However, since they are still active until now, that gives us a chance to witness the fight that we have been hoping for.

Usyk vs Fury is a good championship fight, but Fury has the edge here. I'm predicting he'll be listed as the heavy favorite. On the other hand, Wilder vs AJ should be a close contest, but I'm seeing Wilder being set up as a slight favorite by the bookies.
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I have a feeling that AJ goes for the offensive against Whyte right in the very first round. So it is either he hits Whyte and gets a stoppage or his offense will stop once Whyte starts to connect as well. Once Whyte will connect his own punches and AJ feels it hard, AJ's mindset will change and his confidence will go down and will shift into boxing trying to outbox Whyte. I do think Whyte will run out of gas and will slow down in the later rounds so AJ can take advantage either by knockout or by outboxing him.

On the other hand, Eddie Hearn opened up his 3-fight plan for AJ provided he keeps on winning.


AJ has to be careful as he has been knocked down before, so he isn't as durable as he thought. Maybe he will have huge confidence since this is a rematch, and he has already beaten Whyte before, so he has already won the mind game. As long as he follows the game plan well, I'm sure he'll have an edge in winning this fight. It's not necessary to KO Whyte; what's more important is that he wins impressively, as a positive outcome of this fight could open up another championship opportunity for him.

If he could surpass Whyte, I doubt he could pass the next level which is against Wilder.

AJ's confidence will be boosted by a lot of Spence wins this weekend over Crawford but I also think he will lose some of his confidence if his stablemate losses a beatdown. Still, he should be able to overcome Whyte who's slower and is known to fatigue in the late rounds.

I have a feeling that Wilder might be in the same mental situation as AJ. In Wilder's last fight, he was backing down and was the one getting hunted which means he was scared of getting KO'd again. Heleneus is old and slow and was countered but I can imagine if it was someone quicker and mobile, Wilder might get sparked if he can't land first. Nonetheless, that win might also bring back much of Wilder's confidence.

^^ Yes, I think it's a good plan money wise for Eddie and Joshua as well. Having to fight Dillian Whyte here, bring back Joshua mind and his confidence and then look for Wilder which we have been waiting for many years, when they were still has no defeats in their record and when the Gypsy King is not yet making a comeback. But everything has change now, Fury comes back, takes all the glory beat Wilder and then Joshua losing to Ruiz and it's the start of his being reluctant to pull the trigger. But at least he can still make a lot of money and maybe this 3 HW's can smell the Saudi money, LOL. Perhaps we are talking here about minimum $50M-$100M waiting for them if they all make a fight in Saudi whether as undercard or facing each other. (Fury vs Usyk, Wilder vs Joshua in same card).

That would've been a huge super fight between undefeated champions for the undisputed championship. But Wilder later admitted that he chickened out even if the offer from Matchroom and DAZN was already so huge and there's also the rematch clause which happens in the US if the first match happens in the UK. Wilder is always known to duck fighters and was even holding the undisputed championship hostage many times because his team was unwilling to unify with former lineal 3-belt champion Wladimir Klitschko citing the Bronze Bomber is not yet ready for the Ukrainian.
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^^ Yes, I think it's a good plan money wise for Eddie and Joshua as well. Having to fight Dillian Whyte here, bring back Joshua mind and his confidence and then look for Wilder which we have been waiting for many years, when they were still has no defeats in their record and when the Gypsy King is not yet making a comeback. But everything has change now, Fury comes back, takes all the glory beat Wilder and then Joshua losing to Ruiz and it's the start of his being reluctant to pull the trigger. But at least he can still make a lot of money and maybe this 3 HW's can smell the Saudi money, LOL. Perhaps we are talking here about minimum $50M-$100M waiting for them if they all make a fight in Saudi whether as undercard or facing each other. (Fury vs Usyk, Wilder vs Joshua in same card).
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I have a feeling that AJ goes for the offensive against Whyte right in the very first round. So it is either he hits Whyte and gets a stoppage or his offense will stop once Whyte starts to connect as well. Once Whyte will connect his own punches and AJ feels it hard, AJ's mindset will change and his confidence will go down and will shift into boxing trying to outbox Whyte. I do think Whyte will run out of gas and will slow down in the later rounds so AJ can take advantage either by knockout or by outboxing him.

On the other hand, Eddie Hearn opened up his 3-fight plan for AJ provided he keeps on winning.


AJ has to be careful as he has been knocked down before, so he isn't as durable as he thought. Maybe he will have huge confidence since this is a rematch, and he has already beaten Whyte before, so he has already won the mind game. As long as he follows the game plan well, I'm sure he'll have an edge in winning this fight. It's not necessary to KO Whyte; what's more important is that he wins impressively, as a positive outcome of this fight could open up another championship opportunity for him.

If he could surpass Whyte, I doubt he could pass the next level which is against Wilder.
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That's always been the case for Joshua after his first loss to Ruiz and Usyk. In the second Usyk fight, he had a breakdown after the fight.

So this is very important for him, Although he did get a new trainer, but still as the first round starts, it will be just him and Dillian Whyte. And it will be more mental for Joshua here than physical. He might be in the best shape of his life, but if his minds has started to doubt that he can win, then it won't help him here, IMHO.
The breakdown is so hard to see for Joshua's fans and camps but it is what it was it's a hard climb for Joshua but he is very prone to a breakdown he easily gives out when faced with a good adversary we first saw this in the Ruiz Jr fight he spits his mouthpiece and failed to answer when asked if he wants to continue after getting a knockdown, and on Usyk fight he became passive when Usyk was attacking him, I'm sure we will see a little bit of that trace when Whyte shows no respect to him in their coming match.

It's all in the mind now for AJ if he see flashes of the Ruiz fight in his mind in this fight. And we will see how Derrick James can motivate him in this fight. As @inthelongrun, he is training with a lot of great boxers as well. So hopefully, he will be extra motivated to train very hard in the same gym, sweating it out with the likes of Ryan Garcia and Errol Spence Jr.

So it's a mental game going forward for AJ, he should go back to his old style. And not be hesitant and let his hands go if needed. Because after the his first lost to Ruiz Jr., for sure majority of us has notice that AJ doesn't want to pull the trigger, and unsure without to punch 1-2 or just go chase the opponent in the ring without throwing any power punch.

Definitely, that's the weakness I have seen in him now because he was once a champion, and now he has plenty of losses already. When the problem is mental, it's not hard to rise up from that since what your mind says, the body will follow. However, there's good news because AJ has won his previous fight, so maybe he has slowly recovered a bit from his losing experience. Now, he's facing a fighter he has beaten before, and I'm sure he knows how to do it again.

I have a feeling that AJ goes for the offensive against Whyte right in the very first round. So it is either he hits Whyte and gets a stoppage or his offense will stop once Whyte starts to connect as well. Once Whyte will connect his own punches and AJ feels it hard, AJ's mindset will change and his confidence will go down and will shift into boxing trying to outbox Whyte. I do think Whyte will run out of gas and will slow down in the later rounds so AJ can take advantage either by knockout or by outboxing him.

On the other hand, Eddie Hearn opened up his 3-fight plan for AJ provided he keeps on winning.
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That's always been the case for Joshua after his first loss to Ruiz and Usyk. In the second Usyk fight, he had a breakdown after the fight.

So this is very important for him, Although he did get a new trainer, but still as the first round starts, it will be just him and Dillian Whyte. And it will be more mental for Joshua here than physical. He might be in the best shape of his life, but if his minds has started to doubt that he can win, then it won't help him here, IMHO.
The breakdown is so hard to see for Joshua's fans and camps but it is what it was it's a hard climb for Joshua but he is very prone to a breakdown he easily gives out when faced with a good adversary we first saw this in the Ruiz Jr fight he spits his mouthpiece and failed to answer when asked if he wants to continue after getting a knockdown, and on Usyk fight he became passive when Usyk was attacking him, I'm sure we will see a little bit of that trace when Whyte shows no respect to him in their coming match.

It's all in the mind now for AJ if he see flashes of the Ruiz fight in his mind in this fight. And we will see how Derrick James can motivate him in this fight. As @inthelongrun, he is training with a lot of great boxers as well. So hopefully, he will be extra motivated to train very hard in the same gym, sweating it out with the likes of Ryan Garcia and Errol Spence Jr.

So it's a mental game going forward for AJ, he should go back to his old style. And not be hesitant and let his hands go if needed. Because after the his first lost to Ruiz Jr., for sure majority of us has notice that AJ doesn't want to pull the trigger, and unsure without to punch 1-2 or just go chase the opponent in the ring without throwing any power punch.

Definitely, that's the weakness I have seen in him now because he was once a champion, and now he has plenty of losses already. When the problem is mental, it's not hard to rise up from that since what your mind says, the body will follow. However, there's good news because AJ has won his previous fight, so maybe he has slowly recovered a bit from his losing experience. Now, he's facing a fighter he has beaten before, and I'm sure he knows how to do it again.
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