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I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.

Probably it's going to happen Joshua's promoter has been entertaining this fight but Joshua wants to regain his confidence so he opted to fight Whyte instead, so if he wins against Whyte and Wilder wins against Ruiz they will face each other, it's not good to see another Fury and Wilder fight, I prefer the Wilder Usyk match the heavyweight division has a lot of great fights coming and there's a lot of new faces and familiar faces coming for the title, expect exciting fights in the heavyweight division.

I have the feeling that Wilder is also yet recovering mentally from his back-to-back brutal losses to Tyson Fury. Though he might have won a first-round KO in his return bout against Helenius, he was the one running backward instead of the other way around. If not for that huge counter, Helenius would've been able to do some damage on Wilder. The Ruiz fight will determine if Wilder is really back to his usual confidence when he was undefeated. And if Wilder wins, he also needs to decide if he goes for AJ or he will rematch Fury for the fourth time.

There are a lot of good fights to happen in this division with Usyk-Fury for the undisputed belts as the biggest. Usyk after Dubois might also get another mandatory from the IBF against the undefeated Filip Hrgovic and the WBO if Joe Joyce wins his rematch against Zhang. Only a unification fight with Fury will excuse Usyk from his mandatories.

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Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

It would be a good test for AJ and therefore he needs to win this fight so his name will come out again and people will talk about him. He isn't a champion now so it will not be easy for him to demand a bigger purse, but the moment he earn another championship fight and he could reclaim himself, then maybe he has a shot to be back at the top again. Slowly but surely and it should start by winning this fight.

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Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

Perhaps it was just the circumstances that Dillian Whyte was given another crack of Joshua here. As others have said, it's a faded version of Joshua now but Eddie Hearn needs to find a opponent that can bring back Joshua's confident so Dillian Whyte is a perfect fit for it. Maybe a trilogy can happen, or maybe if Joshua losses here then there's no more Wilder for him in the horizon or even Tyson Fury and it could be over for him. Or least he is now considered just a B-level fighter and just looking for payday before he retires.

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Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I don't know if a trilogy is necessary or whether it will happen if Dillian will win this fight. I think it will just be a revenge on the part of Whyte II and Joshua's 3-1 record for the past two years would make him less and less of a valuable opponent. The loser of Zhang vs Joyce II match could be next. Or if Deontay will be fighting Ruiz Jr. next, it is possible Joshua will face the loser. If it's Ruiz who will lose, which is more likely, then it's possible to have a different trilogy.

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Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not, he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty", Cheesy

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But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

We can't really say that because AJ is coming from losses to Usyk. While Dillian could have been in the sunset of his career. Although it has the potential to end in a knockout. But AJ should have the upper hand in as this looks like a tune up fight.

Because we have heard that after this, it will be Wilder in Saudi Arabia. So he better prepare hard on this fight and if he wanted to impress us, then go for knockout. If not, at least dominate Whyte in full 12 rounds and we can say that he has move on already and no longer affected mentally by the Usyk losses.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 12, 2023, 03:13:46 PM

I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.

Probably it's going to happen Joshua's promoter has been entertaining this fight but Joshua wants to regain his confidence so he opted to fight Whyte instead, so if he wins against Whyte and Wilder wins against Ruiz they will face each other, it's not good to see another Fury and Wilder fight, I prefer the Wilder Usyk match the heavyweight division has a lot of great fights coming and there's a lot of new faces and familiar faces coming for the title, expect exciting fights in the heavyweight division.

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Quote from: Sanitough on July 12, 2023, 07:05:12 AM

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Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not, he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty", Cheesy

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But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

Come on Derek Vaseline! Cheesy

AJ and his team will fly back to the UK earlier as they do not want their fighter jet-lagged during fight night. But AJ is still a changed fighter and will hesitate to engage right away. AJ and his team knew that Whyte is known to fatigue in the late rounds so they will try to box and fight smart and will only go for the kill when the opportunity arises. But I do hope that Whyte is fully conditioned and has enough gas to go to war for 12 rounds if necessary. Because this is the only way he can win.

I wonder if Wilder is really next but it will be a very interesting fight. It would've been bigger than Fury-Wilder when they were both champions and undefeated and for the undisputed. Still, better late than never. But we'll see if they are really going to face each other next. The WBC already mandated Wilder and Ruiz for the final eliminator which means the winner will face Tyson Fury which is not really cool if we see another Fury-Wilder.

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Quote from: Questat on July 12, 2023, 07:40:00 AM

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Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

I agree with you but we will find out after this fight. Looks like this fight has become more popular than a real championship fight, and as we can see this one " Zhang Vs Joyce II WBO Interim World Heavyweight Championship", does not gain more attention than this thread that was created earlier.

Anyway, as per betting polls, "Anthony Joshua KO" still has more votes, so it's pretty obvious that Anthony Joshua is the crowd favorite.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on July 12, 2023, 07:19:33 AM

Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

Joshua is likely not the same fighter he was when he was undefeated and a champion. Therefore, I honestly believe there's a good chance that Whyte will be able to level the playing field in the rematch. This would make for a more intriguing anticipation, and we might even see a trilogy of fights between them. If AJ were to lose, it would be unlikely for him to pursue a fight with Wilder.

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Joshua can't probably repeat what happened when they first met in the ring. If they had a rematch shortly after their first match, Joshua could have easily won it. But since this is 8 years later and Joshua has already suffered the effects of his first loss and also his back-to-back losses against Usyk, he will not be the same very confident guy. This is more of Dillian's bigger chance for a revenge. If Joshua wins, it will probably be a close UD.

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Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not, he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty", Cheesy

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But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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I guess this fight doesn't need to last long. Typically, in heavyweight fights, the match often ends early due to their knockout power and the potential fatigue that comes with their size as the rounds progress. However, if the fight were to last longer, I believe the advantage would be with the younger boxer, which in this case would be AJ.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 12, 2023, 12:18:38 AM

Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not, he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty", Cheesy

.

But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

Anthony Joshua needs to win this fight to meet Deontay Wilder which will be a new down in his challenged career but Dillian Whyte can spoil his day. Derek Chisora who was knocked out by Whyte in 2018 is predicting that although Joshua will find it difficult to win the fight but he would eventually will the match. He is predicting that Joshua will have a slow start but he will gradually improve in the game. One of the reasons he gave for Joshua's difficulty is the long flight from his training ground in Texas to Vegas before taking another eight hours flight to London. Chisora said that the long flights will make him tired which will be an advantage to Dillian Whyte who is training in Florida.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 12, 2023, 02:12:35 AM

Lol. If Whyte really said that, then he is a funny guy. I wonder if he talks like that, when everyone knows that he will get KOed by AJ. There is a chance that AJ is still mentally flying somewhere, then there is a chance for Dillian.
Is AJ good today? His victory against Franklin was not impressive. He should KO such opponents, instead the fight went full distance.

AJ could be good, depends on his opponents,

I try to look for that press conference video if indeed as what someone posted was true:->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cra4YVxInmE

Go to 2:38 and see what's their conversion is all about. Not sure if Dillian just wanted to be funny because you can see the reaction of both Joshua and Eddie and the media around.

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Lol. If Whyte really said that, then he is a funny guy. I wonder if he talks like that, when everyone knows that he will get KOed by AJ. There is a chance that AJ is still mentally flying somewhere, then there is a chance for Dillian.
Is AJ good today? His victory against Franklin was not impressive. He should KO such opponents, instead the fight went full distance.

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Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.

This is exactly the reason i was thinking when i saw this thread, the promoters of Anthony Joshua wanted him to be confident enough after the losses so that they can book other high profile fights but the funny aspect will be, what happens if Anthony Joshua gets knocked out cold by Dillian Whyte because he is more than capable of doing that Cheesy

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Lol, even at the press conference, Dillian Whyte ask Eddie Hearn what's the taste of Joshua's ball. Because obviously, Hearn is still on Joshua's bandwagon and wanted to resurrect his career because admit it or not, he is not longer in his prime with back to back loses to Usyk.

It could have been great if Hearn would answer "salty", Cheesy

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But he says that Whyte will have to find it out during their fight.

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Quote from: coin-investor on July 07, 2023, 07:33:56 AM

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Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.

This is exactly the reason i was thinking when i saw this thread, the promoters of Anthony Joshua wanted him to be confident enough after the losses so that they can book other high profile fights but the funny aspect will be, what happens if Anthony Joshua gets knocked out cold by Dillian Whyte because he is more than capable of doing that Cheesy

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I think Joshua will win via KO because Whyte had suffer three losses and all of them were KO'ed.

Joshua is still strong despite his last match he only won via decision, but I think Whyte don't have a strong chin, he only have a good power.

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 10, 2023, 12:23:11 PM

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder? I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

If Joshua can win via KO, he should be straight and fight Fury. Wilder had loss 2 times against Fury, so it's the time to prove which one will win Joshua vs Fury,

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on July 10, 2023, 12:23:11 PM

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder? I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

AJ would be lucky to beat Wilder. We have to remind him that only Fury had defeated Wilder and prior to his defeat, he was the best in the heavyweight with a high KO rate, so I would be surprised if AJ would beat Wilder because I think the other way around would occur.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 07, 2023, 11:18:40 PM

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

It is all business even though the rematch does not worth it, the promoter probably thinks that this fight will give AJ more boost and as you said a tune up fight for the next opponent. I wonder if after this fight AJ will meet Fury after this fight since Dillian Whyte was previously beaten by Tyson Fury. As far as I can recall, AJ had beaten Dillian Whyte 7 or 8 years ago by 7th round stoppage and still I think Whyte can't beat AJ after those years.

Quote from: Botnake on July 10, 2023, 11:11:32 AM

For the highly anticipated fight between Wilder and Joshua not to be spoiled, Joshua needs to defeat Whyte.

So it was Wilder first then Fury later if ever AJ beats Wilder? I think it is more convenience for AJ to head on straight and fight Fury.

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Quote from: coin-investor on July 07, 2023, 07:33:56 AM

Obviously, DAZN wants to resurrect Joshua's career, if you suffer from two successive losses from championships and you have been beaten decisively you need a guy you have previously beaten to bring back your motivation to get back on the road again.
Joshua's career is on its way to oblivion if he losses this match, there is no fourth chance anymore Whyte can spoil Joshua's much-needed comeback.
Boxing fans whether they are fans or they are not fans of both boxers will have an interest in this fight because its a battle of who will stay and who will go.

Actually, whoever lost the bout between the two retires from boxing early because he will no longer need to maintain his level of fitness for his profession and won't have any reason to fight for the WBC title again. Because there is so much on the line (win and you might have a chance to compete for boxing titles. lose and your career is over), the fight between the two will be tense and exciting.

Anthony Joshua always makes it clear that he wants to fight Tyson Fury at least once before calling it a day on his boxing career, so I believe he will do everything in his power to defeat Dillian Whyte on points.
August 12 will be the time for him to show the world that is not yet over for him after losing back-to-back defeats to Oleksandr Usyk.

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