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A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

That's right and it could be some kind of training that he can get to practice before facing Wilder no matter how you look at it, we know that Wilder has the advantage when they gonna face each other in the ring. In this fight, Joshua is expected to win and will once again dominate Whyte due to his advanced skills and experience compared to Whyte he already proved that in their first fight and it would be fairer to think that Joshua has been improving his skills preparing for some worthy opponent and Whyte right now is just a small fawn compared to others.

Both Wilder and Joshua were former champions who were dethroned, and now they will be fighting to determine who is the best between them. This fight is sure to entertain the crowd, even though it's not a championship bout. In his last fight on October 15, 2022, Wilder scored a knockout victory against Robert Helenius. Considering their styles and the fact that both fighters don't move around much, I would lean towards Wilder due to his more powerful punches.

For the highly anticipated fight between Wilder and Joshua not to be spoiled, Joshua needs to defeat Whyte.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 08, 2023, 12:18:40 AM

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

That's right and it could be some kind of training that he can get to practice before facing Wilder no matter how you look at it, we know that Wilder has the advantage when they gonna face each other in the ring. In this fight, Joshua is expected to win and will once again dominate Whyte due to his advanced skills and experience compared to Whyte he already proved that in their first fight and it would be fairer to think that Joshua has been improving his skills preparing for some worthy opponent and Whyte right now is just a small fawn compared to others.

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On paper, Joshua appears to have the advantage against Dillian Whyte, who is already nearing retirement. I mean no disrespect, as he is only 36 years old, but he hasn't been getting significant fights lately. However, his bout with Joshua can be considered a big fight since Joshua remains popular despite losing his undefeated record. Let's see who will come out on top, but I have a feeling the younger fighter will prevail.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 10, 2023, 08:29:24 AM

As far as the odds goes, it seems that Joshua is a huge favorite here, ML 1.15 Whyte at 4.70. And then the Over/Under round is 9.5.

So great odds so far specially the Over/Under. However, if we are talking about upsets, then it's possible if Joshua is going to underestimate Whyte or not training hard and not taking his opponent seriously as in the case of Tyson vs Douglas. Perhaps it was the same case with Morrison against Michael Bentt, sad thing is that Morrison was winning the fight until he was hit with a right, it could be just a lucky shot, but Bentt win the fight in 2 rounds. So Joshua here shouldn't overlook Whyte and not get ahead of his supposedly fight with Wilder next.

A tough game to predict, the chances are important in this circumstance, but while the current odds favor Anthony Joshua, that doesn't mean he has a 100% chance of winning. It's an extremely difficult game, but I verdict the triumph to Anthony Joshua, who has been in the space for a long time and understands the points to strike during the fight, as does Dillian Whyte. Both boxers should provide their best effort in the ring. Anthony Joshua weighs more than Dilian Whyte, and there's a chance the Nigerian fighter would underestimate his opponents in the ring.

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Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

Its a motivation but more of a burden, I have seen boxers taking what seems to be a fight preparation for a much bigger paycheck only to lose decisively or by upsets like Tyson to Douglas and Tommy Morisson to Michael Bent both Tyson and Morisson got knocked out for what experts expect should be an easy fight for these two heavy favorites.

Of course Joshua is the favorite here but Whyte could be a serious spoiler, what he has got to lose, against a guy who could potentially lose everything, I'm sure Joshua is thinking of those scenarios and he's hoping to win decisively and I'm sure Wilder is also hoping, both Wilder and Joshua want and need each other for a huge comeback of their respective career.

As far as the odds goes, it seems that Joshua is a huge favorite here, ML 1.15 Whyte at 4.70. And then the Over/Under round is 9.5.

So great odds so far specially the Over/Under. However, if we are talking about upsets, then it's possible if Joshua is going to underestimate Whyte or not training hard and not taking his opponent seriously as in the case of Tyson vs Douglas. Perhaps it was the same case with Morrison against Michael Bentt, sad thing is that Morrison was winning the fight until he was hit with a right, it could be just a lucky shot, but Bentt win the fight in 2 rounds. So Joshua here shouldn't overlook Whyte and not get ahead of his supposedly fight with Wilder next.

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the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

True, a rematch means there are psychological effects. In the past, there are a lot of rematches that happened. I remember when Oscar De La Hoya lost a very close fight to Sugar Shane Mosley at 147 but later became a unified champion at 154. He then challenged Mosley in a rematch with intentions of avenging his previous questionable defeat. Mosley before the fight lost 2 and a draw in his last 3 fights which further hyped the odds for a De La Hoya victory. But when the sound of the bell began, Mosley looked like a fresh confident fighter, and De La Hoya failed to dominate. In the end, all of De La Hoya's belts were taken by Mosley after securing another close but unanimous victory.

I believe AJ is still battling with his emotions after suffering 3 defeats. It will be interesting how his approach in this fight knowing he already stopped Whyte before but at the same time, he knows that he is also vulnerable especially if Whyte goes beast mode. Whyte has nothing to lose already, he should train hard and work on his stamina so he can attack AJ, or else it will be AJ attacking him.

Yes, if ever he will lost to a fighter that he already defeated, then something must be wrong with his mentality and he can't get over the 2 losses he got from the hands of Usyk. And that's what it is said that he should take first a tune up fight before getting into Usyk in a rematch. But we all know what happen, he tried his best but Usyk has more heart than him.

So this is a good set up fight for AJ and hopefully he will removed that from his mind and focus on Dillian Whyte and win the fight and bring back what pride he has before his 3 losses.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 09, 2023, 07:48:06 PM

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Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

Its a motivation but more of a burden, I have seen boxers taking what seems to be a fight preparation for a much bigger paycheck only to lose decisively or by upsets like Tyson to Douglas and Tommy Morisson to Michael Bent both Tyson and Morisson got knocked out for what experts expect should be an easy fight for these two heavy favorites.

Of course Joshua is the favorite here but Whyte could be a serious spoiler, what he has got to lose, against a guy who could potentially lose everything, I'm sure Joshua is thinking of those scenarios and he's hoping to win decisively and I'm sure Wilder is also hoping, both Wilder and Joshua want and need each other for a huge comeback of their respective career.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 09, 2023, 07:33:15 PM

the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

True, a rematch means there are psychological effects. In the past, there are a lot of rematches that happened. I remember when Oscar De La Hoya lost a very close fight to Sugar Shane Mosley at 147 but later became a unified champion at 154. He then challenged Mosley in a rematch with intentions of avenging his previous questionable defeat. Mosley before the fight lost 2 and a draw in his last 3 fights which further hyped the odds for a De La Hoya victory. But when the sound of the bell began, Mosley looked like a fresh confident fighter, and De La Hoya failed to dominate. In the end, all of De La Hoya's belts were taken by Mosley after securing another close but unanimous victory.

I believe AJ is still battling with his emotions after suffering 3 defeats. It will be interesting how his approach in this fight knowing he already stopped Whyte before but at the same time, he knows that he is also vulnerable especially if Whyte goes beast mode. Whyte has nothing to lose already, he should train hard and work on his stamina so he can attack AJ, or else it will be AJ attacking him.

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Quote from: robelneo on July 09, 2023, 06:43:23 PM

Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

I wouldn't say it's going to be a burden though, if anything here, it should motivate him to finished and win the fight against Whyte so that him and Wilder can face each other this December or maybe early next year for one of the biggest purse, so big paycheck for both of them.

He should learn from his past mistakes, although he has been a very different boxer after he lost to Ruiz in the first fight that you mentioned. It's all going to be psychological for Joshua against Whyte. Maybe what he can think of is that he already beat Dillian the first time so he can do it again and not underestimating because if could derail him fight against Wilder.

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the worst mistake of a fighter is when he goes back to fight the guy who defeated him, that's because most of the time when the fighter is undefeated and loses to someone, the tendency is to want revenge, but he starts to let his emotions affect him, even if he is a professional fighter, even if he has won other fights after the defeat, still when he faces the fighter who beat him he starts to get carried away by anger and I lose focus, in my opinion in the case of this fight I will wait for the days of the fight are approaching so I can have an idea of who can win the fight, and it's true that many years have passed since the two fought

and many things have changed, but the central problem is that even though many years have passed and a lot has changed in terms of the fighters' achievements, this fight is about emotions, both fighters will have emotions when fighting and that could hinder the loser of the last fight, so I'll wait until the days of the fight get closer to see what I'm going to bet on

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Joshua has a big burden in his head and that is

Eddie Hearn admits Anthony Joshua will lose proposed mega-fight with Deontay Wilder - and a £60MILLION payday - if he fails to beat Dillian Whyte next month

If we all remember Joshua in his first fight in the US should have fought Baby Miller until a huge issue with Miller came out so Hearns got Andy Ruiz as the replacement and the rest is history, he not only lose all his titles to Ruiz but he loses a mega fight with the then WBC champion Wilder, and hopefully history will not repeat here, Dillian last fight is against Fury, he did announce that was his last fight, but this is a fight that hard to decline he could be the spoiler and could eventually the one fighting Wilder.

There was a story that promoters don't want him to fight Whyte and they all want to just go straight to the Wilder fight but Joshua wants to have a fight with Whyte before going against Wilder, this is a very risky fight for Joshua and this could end his career.

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Quote from: Darker45 on July 08, 2023, 10:56:08 PM

Both of these fighters are facing the sunset of their careers. Unlike many others who voted in the poll, I don't see a knockout, neither from Whyte II nor from Joshua.

Joshua is not anymore the shining star in boxing that he used to be. If this is a fight arranged for his comeback, to somehow condition him to face Wilder next, Whyte II is probably the wrong opponent. Supposing Joshua survives Dillian and faces Wilder come December, he will probably be surprised at how huge and more powerful Wilder is that he'll realize Dillian didn't actually prepare him for it.

His first lost to Andy Ruiz really lost all the invincibility on AJ here, but before that, he was beating everything. And then the lost, he was not the same anymore, although he avenge it, but his fighting style was very different. And then his two fights against Usyk really exposes him.

But it I'm going to pick as who is more on the sunset of their careers, I think it will be Whyte though. He might just rely on a one punch knockout here. He could be looking all day for that to score against AJ and that is the only chance he could win in this fight.

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Both of these fighters are facing the sunset of their careers. Unlike many others who voted in the poll, I don't see a knockout, neither from Whyte II nor from Joshua.

Joshua is not anymore the shining star in boxing that he used to be. If this is a fight arranged for his comeback, to somehow condition him to face Wilder next, Whyte II is probably the wrong opponent. Supposing Joshua survives Dillian and faces Wilder come December, he will probably be surprised at how huge and more powerful Wilder is that he'll realize Dillian didn't actually prepare him for it.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 08, 2023, 04:50:19 PM

Whyte already lost in their first fight, and as I comment in the other thread, he might not be in his prime already. So this is just a set up fight for AJ to look good in reference to a potential fight with Wilder in December as others say.

I'm not seeing a trilogy though, it's good to see Dillian Whyte fight again, but this is just for the money and Hearn just gave him the opportunity to have another fight and obviously a paycheck to be the opponent for a get busy fight for AJ.

This is an important wrestle to bolster Anthony Joshua's psyche and performance at the moment, as he needs all assistance he can get, potentially even at the top of the rankings. Anthony Joshua is the character, he's a competitive fighter who is constantly concerned about winning, but with his recent performance, he's recorded defeats over his opponents, so I'm guessing he still needs more time to get back on track. Dilian Whyte, on the other hand, is always ready to meet the Nigerian in the ring, and this time I believe he can match up draw points with him.

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Quote from: Shamm on July 08, 2023, 11:01:39 AM

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This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

Anthony Joshua won in game one which is pretty good to him as we all know that once a fighter win the fight then all he need is to add more agility and techniques in order to maintain the momentum and have a big chance of winning. But dillian whyte will prove to us that he has a good strategy and techniques to counter Anthony Joshua, this rematch is very worthy to watch so let's seatback and relax.

Whyte already lost in their first fight, and as I comment in the other thread, he might not be in his prime already. So this is just a set up fight for AJ to look good in reference to a potential fight with Wilder in December as others say.

I'm not seeing a trilogy though, it's good to see Dillian Whyte fight again, but this is just for the money and Hearn just gave him the opportunity to have another fight and obviously a paycheck to be the opponent for a get busy fight for AJ.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 07, 2023, 08:54:41 AM

This is a good opportunity for Dillian Whyte, as Anthony Joshua has already experienced losses in his career, and he may not be the same fighter he was when he was undefeated. While Dillian Whyte may still be considered the underdog, I am willing to take chances and perhaps even bet on him to level the rivalry. It's possible that we may witness a trilogy for this fight.

Anthony Joshua won in game one which is pretty good to him as we all know that once a fighter win the fight then all he need is to add more agility and techniques in order to maintain the momentum and have a big chance of winning. But dillian whyte will prove to us that he has a good strategy and techniques to counter Anthony Joshua, this rematch is very worthy to watch so let's seatback and relax.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on July 08, 2023, 12:18:40 AM

A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

Yes, they are looking for a good dance partner for Anthony Joshua, and just like you said, instead of directly going to Wilder in December, he might as well go for a tune up first. Just like what Ryan has supposed to do before the Tank fight, but he opted out of a tune up and then badly beaten. I think Wilder though will go to Andy Ruiz if I'm not mistaken.

Anyhow, I think it might end the same way as the first fight. And then Joshua very happy as he might think that he is back on track. But I think the Bronze Bomber will knockout Anthony Joshua if they face each other in the Middle East before the end of the year.

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A rematch that was not really necessary due to Joshua winning the first match by knockout but it should still serve as a good tuneup for him if he is indeed going to be fighting Deontay Wilder in December. Whyte, despite not being world class anymore, is still a dangerous fighter with respectable power. AJ can't afford to take him lightly. He needs to make a statement to prove he can still compete with the best heavyweights.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 06, 2023, 01:11:11 PM

AJ will remain a favorite in this fight but we better not count out Whyte. AJ is a completely changed fighter which is something Whyte can capitalize on. If AJ continues to try to box, not letting his hands go and Whyte is well-conditioned conditioned for a full fight then it will be a very exciting one. AJ might also get his confidence back knowing he already TKO'd Whyte when both of them are still unbeaten.

Joshua is the big favorite here but Dillian has nothing to lose and to protect if he goes all out here and tries to take everything away from Joshua, Joshua is on the climb to get back in title contention and this could be the fight that
can bring back his reputation if he knocks out Whyte the way he did in their first meeting.

But this is not the same Joshua anymore he is not the same aggressive and dominant fighter years ago when he held the undisputed title, obviously his camp wants him to get back on the right track slowly, there's a potential Wilder fight that they can go to but unfortunately his camp wants an easy way up and Dillian is their way to the top, Dillian could be the spoiler here I cannot imagine the scenario if Whyte beat Joshua and avenge his loss, we can forget the Wilder - Joshua or the Joshua - Fury.

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I know of how hard or easy it will be for Anthony Joshua to KO Whyte in this match because i believe this is a rematch and a chance for whyte to right his wring with also capitalizing on the changes Anthony Joshua I've got now and I also though I was the only one who noticed the changes with Anthony Joshua but regardless of this, I don't think Anthony will be willing to leave any stone unturned as he might still want to maintain his name.
I've been a great fan of Anthony Joshua but I don't think this match would be an easy one for either of them and if Anthony isn't careful and take this match gently, then he shouldn't be surprised if he losses to Whyte.

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