[Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7 - page 8.

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Quote from: stadus on April 30, 2022, 12:11:56 AM

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So far after the Mayweather fight no one comes close to beating him,

GGG is the only boxer who put Canelo on his limits after the latter's fight with Floyd Mayweather. Even though GGG is much ahead of their age and Canelo is in his prime, their fight is a close one and both of them have equal strength. That's why it needs a trilogy to end its journey.

Who knows Bivol might also put Canelo on his limits even the majority thinks that he is a heavy underdog.

What I will just refer to about Bivol is, that he won't just allow himself to be dominated by Canelo. He is also a champion and has no defeats up to date.

If only GGG was in the same age of Canelo now or yet vice versa then these two great boxers would be the greatest rival of all time, I think. Their instincts is too good and the way their move totally match with each other. It's unfortunate to know that GGG's time is already up and we don't know maybe this is his last year in the ring after the trilogy.

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but at least they have fought together. And if ever he lost his fight against Canelo, maybe chances are he will retire for good.

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And for Bivol, you're correct about that because even if he is the underdog in this fight, he is not to be underestimated as he too have proved himself that he is not an easy opponent to face and maybe he can even surprise us seeing Canelo reached his limits against Bivol.

I haven't seen Canelo underestimate his opponents though that's why he is very successful. His work ethics and attitude have been mold to really train with 100% and give his everything in every fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 29, 2022, 06:56:45 PM

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So far after the Mayweather fight no one comes close to beating him,

GGG is the only boxer who put Canelo on his limits after the latter's fight with Floyd Mayweather. Even though GGG is much ahead of their age and Canelo is in his prime, their fight is a close one and both of them have equal strength. That's why it needs a trilogy to end its journey.

Who knows Bivol might also put Canelo on his limits even the majority thinks that he is a heavy underdog.

What I will just refer to about Bivol is, that he won't just allow himself to be dominated by Canelo. He is also a champion and has no defeats up to date.

If only GGG was in the same age of Canelo now or yet vice versa then these two great boxers would be the greatest rival of all time, I think. Their instincts is too good and the way their move totally match with each other. It's unfortunate to know that GGG's time is already up and we don't know maybe this is his last year in the ring after the trilogy.

And for Bivol, you're correct about that because even if he is the underdog in this fight, he is not to be underestimated as he too have proved himself that he is not an easy opponent to face and maybe he can even surprise us seeing Canelo reached his limits against Bivol.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on April 29, 2022, 06:41:03 PM

Now, I am curious who will be the favorite when Canelo vs GGG happens?

Definitely Canelo 100% because their fights ended in draw and Canelo won, GGG is expected will lose because of the record. Not to mention Canelo also moving to the next weight and moreover if he won against Bivol, many people will think Canelo is more improved.

Quote from: goinmerry on April 29, 2022, 06:56:45 PM

What I will just refer to about Bivol is, that he won't just allow himself to be dominated by Canelo. He is also a champion and has no defeats up to date.

Bivol isn't a defensive boxer, if we will see Bivol get dominated by Canelo... I'm pretty sure Canelo will win the fight.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 29, 2022, 06:09:21 PM

So far after the Mayweather fight no one comes close to beating him,

GGG is the only boxer who put Canelo on his limits after the latter's fight with Floyd Mayweather. Even though GGG is much ahead of their age and Canelo is in his prime, their fight is a close one and both of them have equal strength. That's why it needs a trilogy to end its journey.

Who knows Bivol might also put Canelo on his limits even the majority thinks that he is a heavy underdog.

What I will just refer to about Bivol is, that he won't just allow himself to be dominated by Canelo. He is also a champion and has no defeats up to date.

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Quote from: coin-investor on April 29, 2022, 06:09:21 PM

So far after the Mayweather fight no one comes close to beating him, there are fighters who try to duplicate what Mayweather did to him but we have an upgraded version of Canelo that is so hard to hit and hit hard and can last the whole 12 rounds and still look fresh and I don't think Bivol will be the one to beat him, Bivol is not even close to boxers Canelo beat in the past, he is not on Mayweather caliber, we can say who's next after Bivol even before their fight started.

The next for Canelo is GGG. Just to finish their unfinished business.
Canelo is the favorite in this match with Bivol and it seems bookies are not changing their odds on this match.
Bivol is clearly the underdog, but Canelo should not take this fight lightly.
Few days and we will see if Canelo can give his best even going up in this division.
Now, I am curious who will be the favorite when Canelo vs GGG happens?

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Quote from: Shamm on April 29, 2022, 05:04:02 PM

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 27, 2022, 12:14:10 PM

Yes, bookmakers allow you to bet on Canello with odds of 1.3, while on Bivol as much as 4.7. This suggests that Canelo is a clear favorite and some advantage in physical data does not mean anything. As you rightly noted, the challenger has three times fewer fights, and the champion has already beaten everyone he can, and for him it will be a fight with another average fighter.

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

If that will happen, his name will be hyped up. I remember how Ugas get that attention after beating Pacquiao. It will be more for Bivol since Alvarez established his name as one of the legend of pound for pound and still active and still at his prime, upsetting the heavy favorite would impact on his career.

For that, he will enjoy more money fights, offers that will continue to suck money out from the fans and gamblers.

Too early to discuss, though, let's see if how both fighters will show competitiveness once they are both inside the ring.

Yes maybe that's right cause Canelo Alvarez is one of the most legendary boxers of all time and if someone will defeat him for sure it's a big achievement and pride of the people who supported him, and that's what civil aimed for he wants to defend himself against Canelo and if have a chance take the opportunity to win the match but not just esdy cause canelo aim for victory to rematch GGG in his next fight.

So far after the Mayweather fight no one comes close to beating him, there are fighters who try to duplicate what Mayweather did to him but we have an upgraded version of Canelo that is so hard to hit and hit hard and can last the whole 12 rounds and still look fresh and I don't think Bivol will be the one to beat him, Bivol is not even close to boxers Canelo beat in the past, he is not on Mayweather caliber, we can say who's next after Bivol even before their fight started.

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Yes, bookmakers allow you to bet on Canello with odds of 1.3, while on Bivol as much as 4.7. This suggests that Canelo is a clear favorite and some advantage in physical data does not mean anything. As you rightly noted, the challenger has three times fewer fights, and the champion has already beaten everyone he can, and for him it will be a fight with another average fighter.

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

If that will happen, his name will be hyped up. I remember how Ugas get that attention after beating Pacquiao. It will be more for Bivol since Alvarez established his name as one of the legend of pound for pound and still active and still at his prime, upsetting the heavy favorite would impact on his career.

For that, he will enjoy more money fights, offers that will continue to suck money out from the fans and gamblers.

Too early to discuss, though, let's see if how both fighters will show competitiveness once they are both inside the ring.

Yes maybe that's right cause Canelo Alvarez is one of the most legendary boxers of all time and if someone will defeat him for sure it's a big achievement and pride of the people who supported him, and that's what civil aimed for he wants to defend himself against Canelo and if have a chance take the opportunity to win the match but not just esdy cause canelo aim for victory to rematch GGG in his next fight.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 29, 2022, 01:53:13 PM

That would certainly open more doors on his career if he will be able to defeat the current pound for pound king and an undisputed fighter, Saul Canelo Alvarez. Towards that way is not an easy thing to accomplish but its reward to reap is definitely hard to deny as his name will be hyped continuously over the years to come.

Though Canelo will ask for a rematch to seek some revenge for that loss.

A fight once lost is lost for ever - one should give their best in the most important fights of their lives.
This is the lesson which we need to learn in the life as well. Giving the best and never giving up. But apart from hardwork there is another important factor which is called LUCK and it is the most important of all.

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Quote from: goinmerry on April 28, 2022, 10:43:50 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on April 27, 2022, 02:25:53 PM

There are people who will find it arrogant, but in the eyes of his fans and followers, he really does have that strength as he's on his prime now.

Actually, the statement is not being arrogant and I'm sure people won't treat it that way because Canelo Alvarez is just stating the fact.

Canelo's statement is backed up by valid and strong proof that even those who don't like him will accept it.

Different from other arrogant boxers whose mouth is just full of talks and can't prove it to the ring like for example, Caleb Plant who trash talk Canelo, Keith Thurman who toyed with Manny Pacquiao, and many others.

That is very normal in almost every aspect of life to see someone that finds you arrogant or simply hates you even if you did nothing wrong, that's just another way of being jealous to a man's success in his/her own life. And for Canelo, he is so famous in the industry that it's almost impossible to say that there's no single human being that literally born to hate him even if his record speaks for himself or back any of his statement. I'm quite sure that Canelo is fully aware of that and he is used to it already too.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 28, 2022, 10:58:06 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on April 28, 2022, 12:12:33 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on April 27, 2022, 12:14:10 PM

Yes, bookmakers allow you to bet on Canello with odds of 1.3, while on Bivol as much as 4.7. This suggests that Canelo is a clear favorite and some advantage in physical data does not mean anything. As you rightly noted, the challenger has three times fewer fights, and the champion has already beaten everyone he can, and for him it will be a fight with another average fighter.

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

If that will happen, his name will be hyped up. I remember how Ugas get that attention after beating Pacquiao. It will be more for Bivol since Alvarez established his name as one of the legend of pound for pound and still active and still at his prime, upsetting the heavy favorite would impact on his career.

For that, he will enjoy more money fights, offers that will continue to suck money out from the fans and gamblers.

Too early to discuss, though, let's see if how both fighters will show competitiveness once they are both inside the ring.

That would certainly open more doors on his career if he will be able to defeat the current pound for pound king and an undisputed fighter, Saul Canelo Alvarez. Towards that way is not an easy thing to accomplish but its reward to reap is definitely hard to deny as his name will be hyped continuously over the years to come.

Though Canelo will ask for a rematch to seek some revenge for that loss.

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 28, 2022, 12:12:33 PM

Quote from: Boristhecat on April 27, 2022, 12:14:10 PM

Yes, bookmakers allow you to bet on Canello with odds of 1.3, while on Bivol as much as 4.7. This suggests that Canelo is a clear favorite and some advantage in physical data does not mean anything. As you rightly noted, the challenger has three times fewer fights, and the champion has already beaten everyone he can, and for him it will be a fight with another average fighter.

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

If that will happen, his name will be hyped up. I remember how Ugas get that attention after beating Pacquiao. It will be more for Bivol since Alvarez established his name as one of the legend of pound for pound and still active and still at his prime, upsetting the heavy favorite would impact on his career.

For that, he will enjoy more money fights, offers that will continue to suck money out from the fans and gamblers.

Too early to discuss, though, let's see if how both fighters will show competitiveness once they are both inside the ring.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM

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that's obvious because in this match Bivol is still labeled as an Underdog now even though his abilities are extraordinary but indeed it's still not enough to equalize with Canelo now.
Canelo has now gone through 60 international fights including 57 wins, 2 draws and one loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Bivol is arguably a newcomer when compared to Canelo then it's quite clear that he is very favored by the bookies

I don't think we have seen Canelo as the underdog in fight maybe except for the Floyd Mayweather because he is still relatively unknown that time.

But his records now speak for himself, from 154 lbs to 175 lbs, he has conquered a lot of divisions and beat champions along the way. He is still 4:1 favorite as per bookies right now. Bivol is good but he doesn't have the skills to beat Canelo, but he can give Canelo problems early and then Canelo adjusting.

I think you're misreading here because I never called Canelo an Underdog and I wouldn't even consider it that way.
He's a good fighter and the Underdog's words against Bivol were definitely too forced.

The word underdog there is clear for Bivol who indeed in terms of fighting experience it has been seen that this is far from Canelo

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Quote from: agustina2 on April 28, 2022, 12:12:33 PM

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

No, the odds of 1-1.1 can be seen when we see some "passing" fight. In any fight where there is at least a theoretical chance for an underdog to win, the odds are higher. For example, in the Fury-Whyte fight, Fury's odds of winning were 1.18 - almost 1.2, although he was the undisputed favorite. Maybe 1.3 looks like too generous odds, but there are reasons for this that you wrote.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 27, 2022, 12:14:10 PM

Yes, bookmakers allow you to bet on Canello with odds of 1.3, while on Bivol as much as 4.7. This suggests that Canelo is a clear favorite and some advantage in physical data does not mean anything. As you rightly noted, the challenger has three times fewer fights, and the champion has already beaten everyone he can, and for him it will be a fight with another average fighter.

Canelo's 1.3 odds are still high for a heavy favorite. Usually, odds on that level of boxer play on a range at 1.00-1.1.

This is the first time I saw a Champion with no defeats was given 4.7 odds. That's how far the distance bookies see on these 2 champions, especially on Canelo Alvarez. I wonder what will happen if Bivol will able to upset Canelo.

It will shock the boxing community for sure.

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Quote from: izsara on April 27, 2022, 03:25:35 PM

That's obvious because in this match Bivol is still labeled as an Underdog now even though his abilities are extraordinary but indeed it's still not enough to equalize with Canelo now.
Canelo has now gone through 60 international fights including 57 wins, 2 draws and one loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Bivol is arguably a newcomer when compared to Canelo then it's quite clear that he is very favored by the bookies

In the next fight I will support Canelo to win Bivol WBA light heavyweight world title, especially so far Canelo fight record is quite good even he is currently the favorite in that his 61st fight, a record of 57 wins is not an easy thing to get a boxer, except he is a talented boxer who has high technique in every fight, and canelo who has made it so far is certainly a great boxer in my opinion and I think the bivol defead will be his 58th win out of 61 fights canelo played.

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Quote from: m2017 on April 27, 2022, 02:55:42 PM

Despite such a difference in rates and the fact that Canello is the favorite in this match, nevertheless, the outcome can be unpredictable. At least one serious cut is enough and the favorite can take the position of the loser like a technical KO. Perhaps this is the "beauty" of sports and betting on them, that the outcome always remains unknown until the end of the battle, match, game. Otherwise, with a known result, what would be the point of watching it. It is the unpredictability that is attractive.

In basketball, it is called "the ball is round".

Back to boxing, that is possible but knowing Canelo's capability, he will surely try to avoid the unexpected punches by Bivol. But even if Bivol will be able to land some solid punches, we are not sure if Bivol's power is enough to hurt Canelo.

Moreover, the fight is now approaching and we will see if Bivol is really a threat to Canelo's legacy or vice-versa.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM

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Can we please switch from discussing how cool Canelo is and why there must be a third fight against GGG, to who Dmitry Bivol is ? Everyone here talk like Canelo has already won. Bivol is not a boy for beating. Bivol has successfully defended his WBA lightheavy title 3 times. That is something to take into consideration.
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But in fact, judging by the quotes of the bookmakers, it is. Canelo is such a clear favorite that boxing fans are already ready to discuss possible next fights than this "determined" fight. Of course, Bivol is not an easy opponent and not a bag whose probability of winning is zero, but if you look objectively, his chances are more like a lucky punch than winning the fight as a whole.

that's obvious because in this match Bivol is still labeled as an Underdog now even though his abilities are extraordinary but indeed it's still not enough to equalize with Canelo now.
Canelo has now gone through 60 international fights including 57 wins, 2 draws and one loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Bivol is arguably a newcomer when compared to Canelo then it's quite clear that he is very favored by the bookies

I don't think we have seen Canelo as the underdog in fight maybe except for the Floyd Mayweather because he is still relatively unknown that time.

But his records now speak for himself, from 154 lbs to 175 lbs, he has conquered a lot of divisions and beat champions along the way. He is still 4:1 favorite as per bookies right now. Bivol is good but he doesn't have the skills to beat Canelo, but he can give Canelo problems early and then Canelo adjusting.

It's obviously both fighters have a huge gap in their record and I think that Canelo will surely win the fight. As the round goes by, there is a possibility that there could be a technical knockout/decision.

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he can give Canelo problems early and then Canelo adjusting.

Yes, this is true. Canelo will surely dominate the fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 27, 2022, 02:25:53 PM

There are people who will find it arrogant, but in the eyes of his fans and followers, he really does have that strength as he's on his prime now.

Actually, the statement is not being arrogant and I'm sure people won't treat it that way because Canelo Alvarez is just stating the fact.

Canelo's statement is backed up by valid and strong proof that even those who don't like him will accept it.

Different from other arrogant boxers whose mouth is just full of talks and can't prove it to the ring like for example, Caleb Plant who trash talk Canelo, Keith Thurman who toyed with Manny Pacquiao, and many others.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM

I don't think we have seen Canelo as the underdog in fight maybe except for the Floyd Mayweather because he is still relatively unknown that time.

Not known that time? Canelo won't be considered as a matchup for Mayweather if he's not popular at that time.

Canelo has a clean record of 42-0 with 30 KOs before he faced Mayweather. He also holds the WBC Light Middleweight title at that time and his name was a hyped because of his achievement. Not popular?

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 27, 2022, 03:29:42 PM

Bivol is good but he doesn't have the skills to beat Canelo, but he can give Canelo problems early and then Canelo adjusting.

That was too much, I guess.

I'm with Canelo to win the fight but in fairness to Bivol, I don't see him as a pure underdog where literally, he won't stand any chance to win. We can't also conclude that Bivol doesn't have the skills to match with Canelo since boxers are adjusting to whoever their opponent is.

Again, I'm with Canelo to win the match but I'm expecting Bivol to at least show what he got as an undefeated boxer and also a Champion.

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Since this is still related to Canelo then I will post it here. This sounds funny. Long time reigning UFC welterweight champion Kamaru Usman is ready to go to sleep in a boxing ring for dirty sexy money. Seems like all UFC superstars are willing to get baptized by boxing superstars for good paydays. First McGregor, then Woodley and now both Ngannou and Usman.

By the way, there are only 3 remaining belt holders in light heavyweight since lineal champ Artur Beterbiev already unified the IBF and WBC. Bivol holds the WBA. The WBO holder Joe Smith Jr. already lost to Bivol few years ago but still managed to become champion. And I think Beterbiev and Smith are already in negotiations for a three belt unification war. This means Canelo can collect all these belts in only two fights. Seems like he will be doing a legacy indeed.

On the other hand, I believe Canelo will finally win the highest paid athlete this year if he gets past Bivol.

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