[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas - page 2.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 01, 2023, 01:06:23 AM

Charlo is not fighting to win he is just here for the money so he just runs away and wants to survive the fight, this is a big disappointment, Charlo is all talks but cannot bring anything into the ring and now he wants to challenge Terence Crawford, Canelo should stop fighting fighters who just want to make money and go for fighters who deserves to challenge him and Benavidez could be the right guy for this.

There's no other fight but a Benavidez or a Bivol rematch, this a more challenging fight than another Charlo-like fight.

Canelo is kind of stuck and cannot move forward, it is obvious the plan was to beat Bivol and move to the light heavyweight division, but after he was dominated by Bivol those plans had to be scratched at least for the short term, so he does not have much options left, if he still does not feel ready for Bivol then the only option that remains is Benavidez, however I am sure this is not really what he wants and if it was up to him he would try to challenge Bivol again so he can finally move up a division.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 30, 2023, 11:50:57 PM

Who might be Canelo's next opponent? There is nothing for him in super middleweight anymore except more money from other super middleweight fights or maybe if he accepts Bivol's challenge in Canelo's weight division.

In any case, if everyone is listening to Canelo's interview in the ring, it appears he will not retire soon hehehe. Next fight I wish will be vs. Benavidez!

Hopefully, it will be Benavidez next for Canelo. Benavidez has been calling Canelo out and hopefully this fight can be done. And it's really hard to see Canelo stopping at this point, when we thought that he could be done based on his last performance, he come up big against Charlo and dominated the fight from round 1.

I also gave Charlo just one round in this contest, he seems to be very tentative and that body shot, he might have felt it already that's why the game plan wasn't executed even though he is the bigger guy here.

Or maybe we can see Canelo vs Crawford?

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 30, 2023, 11:50:57 PM

Who might be Canelo's next opponent? There is nothing for him in super middleweight anymore except more money from other super middleweight fights or maybe if he accepts Bivol's challenge in Canelo's weight division.

Charlo is not fighting to win he is just here for the money so he just runs away and wants to survive the fight, this is a big disappointment, Charlo is all talks but cannot bring anything into the ring and now he wants to challenge Terence Crawford, Canelo should stop fighting fighters who just want to make money and go for fighters who deserves to challenge him and Benavidez could be the right guy for this.

There's no other fight but a Benavidez or a Bivol rematch, this a more challenging fight than another Charlo-like fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 30, 2023, 11:50:57 PM

Who might be Canelo's next opponent? There is nothing for him in super middleweight anymore except more money from other super middleweight fights or maybe if he accepts Bivol's challenge in Canelo's weight division.

In any case, if everyone is listening to Canelo's interview in the ring, it appears he will not retire soon hehehe. Next fight I wish will be vs. Benavidez!

This is too easy for Canelo, all Charlo did was run and hug and in the interview, he had a hard time explaining what happened to him, great boxing for Canelo he just shows that he still has it and yeah it seems Benavidez is the only fighter that can give him a decent fight in his division or he can do a rematch against Bivol there is really nothing in the super middleweight that can match Canelo's superiority.

He is the man to beat and he will continue to be on the Ring magazine pound for pound as long as no one beats him decisively like what Bivol did, we'll wait for news on his next fight and the boxing needs a fighter that can give Canelo a good match up in the ring.

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Who might be Canelo's next opponent? There is nothing for him in super middleweight anymore except more money from other super middleweight fights or maybe if he accepts Bivol's challenge in Canelo's weight division.

In any case, if everyone is listening to Canelo's interview in the ring, it appears he will not retire soon hehehe. Next fight I wish will be vs. Benavidez!

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 30, 2023, 02:53:54 PM

Charlo already looks huge in the image, so I doubt that he will have to add some weight fight night. But as you have said, Canelo might rehydrate here, come maybe around 172-175 lbs'ish for this fight and I think this is what he usually weight during fight night.

And I do agree that since there are no trash talking in the pre-fight, it's good to see Canelo just relax and laughing. And I just thought about Manny's demeanor during that fight as well. But in the ring we can see totally a different person as Manny destroys his opponent. So let's see how Canelo proved his critics wrong by beating Charlo.

I reckon in the ring after eating and rehydration, Canelo will have more than enough weight to fight in the light heavyweight division hehehe. Also, it appears that much of the fans and the bettors agree that this fight will end on a decision. We cannot be certain on this. Canelo might end this fight with a knockout in the 7th round because this is not vs. John Ryder where Canelo was bored. This is vs. Charlo! Canelo wants to show everyone that he is not the fighter his fans have witnessed vs. Ryder!

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 30, 2023, 02:53:54 PM

Charlo already looks huge in the image, so I doubt that he will have to add some weight fight night. But as you have said, Canelo might rehydrate here, come maybe around 172-175 lbs'ish for this fight and I think this is what he usually weight during fight night.

He should be, as he is the taller and so there's room for him to make more weight on that kind of frame. But we don't know if can can translate to more power on him or not.

Quote from: btc_angela on September 30, 2023, 02:53:54 PM

And I do agree that since there are no trash talking in the pre-fight, it's good to see Canelo just relax and laughing. And I just thought about Manny's demeanor during that fight as well. But in the ring we can see totally a different person as Manny destroys his opponent. So let's see how Canelo proved his critics wrong by beating Charlo.

We will see, this fight is critical to Canelo as a lost means that he really lost some of his power or maybe the competition in him is no longer there. Just like other great boxers before him who suddenly lost the fire inside of them and can't pull the trigger anymore.

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Charlo already looks huge in the image, so I doubt that he will have to add some weight fight night. But as you have said, Canelo might rehydrate here, come maybe around 172-175 lbs'ish for this fight and I think this is what he usually weight during fight night.

And I do agree that since there are no trash talking in the pre-fight, it's good to see Canelo just relax and laughing. And I just thought about Manny's demeanor during that fight as well. But in the ring we can see totally a different person as Manny destroys his opponent. So let's see how Canelo proved his critics wrong by beating Charlo.

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The weigh-in is done and the fighters are ready. Both Canelo and Jermell weighed 167.4 pounds. Canelo seems to be more smiling since his arrival in Las Vegas for this weekend event. He is in good spirits which is very important. Jermell is also pumped ready and hungry to create his own legacy.

I expect Canelo the heavier fighter come fight night. I expect Charlo to fight smart, use his jab, and stay away from Canelo. The biggest question however is the quickness of Jermell since he is moving up 2 weight divisions and he is also more than a year inactive.

The odds favored a decision since it is expected that Jermell will stay away from close encounters and will try to use his range as much as possible. But if he is feeling heavy on his feet then Canelo should be able to corner him, slow him down with his body punches, and stop him in the late rounds.

Another title fight tomorrow via DAZN, Jai Opetaia's first defense of his IBF cruiserweight belt against Jordan Thompson. Both are heavy handed so this fight might have more action than the Canelo-Charlo duel.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 29, 2023, 12:01:42 AM

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

And to add to that, this is his first time to go to 168 lbs, so his power hasn't been tested, although we can see that he has it at 154 lbs. But this is new weight class for him. His body could adjust to the weight, no doubt about that, but can he bring his power to super middle weight?

That could only be answer inside the ring, if he tasted Canelo's power and how he will respond. But as far as Canelo goes, as you have said, he has face a lot of good boxers throughout his career, to be included there is GGG. But no one has the blue print yet to crack that solid chin of Canelo.

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

Canelo is still a rookie that time, and Floyd about on his peak that's why the defensive genius just school Canelo that time. And that's why Floyd fight though, uses his skills to dominate so that is nothing unusual about that fight except that Canelo get a lot of experienced. And he didn't lost for a long time after that fight until Bivol beat him at LHW.

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he needs to be consistent for full 12 rounds and he shouldn't let his guard down as Canelo is good at spotting your weak point. Charlo could land some good blows on Canelo, but the again, the iron chin of Canelo is hard to crack as no one had done it before. Just look at Canelo's jaw line though and his neck.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 29, 2023, 06:52:41 AM

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For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

We must remember that Charlo is adding mass on his body so he can't be quicker than he used to be at 154lbs division so most likely he need to go toe to toe with Canelo once in a while to test how strong Canelo's punch and if he could hurt him but most likely he won't hurt Canelo and he will just fight to survive but i'm hoping that in the later rounds, Canelo would catch Charlo's chin and knock him out cold.

Mayweather's defensive strategy is one of a kind that's why Canelo was having a hard time catching the former and besides he was still so young that time.

Floyd said that he fight Canelo when he was 36 years old and Canelo 23 years old. So Canelo is still very young and if I'm not mistaken, it's the first time that Canelo fought in the US as he usually just fight in Mexico that time.

And I do agree that adding mass on Charlo could be two fold, well he might absorb the power of Canelo, or he could slow him down because he is not used to this kind of body when fighting. So in the early rounds, maybe he could stay, but as soon as we hit the middle rounds, we might see Charlo slowing down a bit and huffing because of that extra weight in him.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 29, 2023, 12:01:42 AM

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

We must remember that Charlo is adding mass on his body so he can't be quicker than he used to be at 154lbs division so most likely he need to go toe to toe with Canelo once in a while to test how strong Canelo's punch and if he could hurt him but most likely he won't hurt Canelo and he will just fight to survive but i'm hoping that in the later rounds, Canelo would catch Charlo's chin and knock him out cold.

Mayweather's defensive strategy is one of a kind that's why Canelo was having a hard time catching the former and besides he was still so young that time.

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

And to add to that, this is his first time to go to 168 lbs, so his power hasn't been tested, although we can see that he has it at 154 lbs. But this is new weight class for him. His body could adjust to the weight, no doubt about that, but can he bring his power to super middle weight?

That could only be answer inside the ring, if he tasted Canelo's power and how he will respond. But as far as Canelo goes, as you have said, he has face a lot of good boxers throughout his career, to be included there is GGG. But no one has the blue print yet to crack that solid chin of Canelo.

For Charlo to beat Canelo, he has to be quicker. It's true that Canelo has a solid chin, which makes it very dangerous to go toe to toe with him. Even the bigger Bivol couldn't knock him out despite his size advantage and fighting in his natural weight. Mayweather understood that as well; he used his quickness to score points throughout the 12 rounds, which is why he dominated Canelo.

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

And to add to that, this is his first time to go to 168 lbs, so his power hasn't been tested, although we can see that he has it at 154 lbs. But this is new weight class for him. His body could adjust to the weight, no doubt about that, but can he bring his power to super middle weight?

That could only be answer inside the ring, if he tasted Canelo's power and how he will respond. But as far as Canelo goes, as you have said, he has face a lot of good boxers throughout his career, to be included there is GGG. But no one has the blue print yet to crack that solid chin of Canelo.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 28, 2023, 08:36:52 AM

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it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

Their heights might be somewhat deceiving. We've seen Tank Davis fight taller fighters who were coming up to his weight but it was still a mismatch because of the power difference and being better acclimated to the weight. Canelo is used to fighting bigger and stronger fighters like Kovalev, Callum Smith, and Caleb Plant. Charlo might be able to make weight comfortably but that does not mean he will be able to sustain the punches from Canelo who is by far the heaviest hitter he has faced.

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^ If you are talking about the final press conference?

Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOcrNADu7zE

Yes, there could be some respect along the way, Canelo even joking about the animal thingy that Charlo pull off. But in the face-off, you can clearly see that Charlo is really focus on this fight and doesn't want the stare down to finished as it was Canelo who broke from the stare down and face the media.

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I don't know about you guys but if you have seen the recent interviews between the two, they are somewhat tone down and I would say that there are respect between the two camps. And if ever there are like trash talking, it was very subtle and as if no one wanted to create animosity. However, we all know that once the bell rings, this two combatants are going to take each other head's off.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2023, 10:44:23 PM

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

It's one of the weakest and that's why Charlo become the undisputed here. The fighters in this division is like a B-level (no offense to them). But it really benefited Charlo at this point and he is supposedly to fight Tsyzu for the undisputed belt but he says he got injured. But then again after June, it seems that he is completely healed and then jump 2 division to face Alvarez.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2023, 10:44:23 PM

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Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

It wouldn't be good for boxing if Canelo were to lose. After this fight, if he wins, people are already eagerly waiting for a big showdown between Canelo and Crawford, as the latter is planning to move up to challenge Canelo. Canelo is not getting any younger, though, so as he gets older, he becomes more vulnerable. However, a win is still a win, and I don't think a fighter like Jermell Charlo has the kind of skills to defeat Canelo.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2023, 10:44:23 PM

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

Maybe Charlo did not get enough fame because he was to big for 154, and looked like he was beating kids?

it does not look that Charlo is two divisions below Canelo. I have no doubts that Canelo gonna win, but Charlo gonna cause him troubles for sure. We would see different Charlo, because he did not have to cut weight to fit into 154. I would not call it a disadvantage for his to fight in new weight class. In fact he risks nothing, as he went up to Canelo territory. While Canelo could lose belts, in case of a loss, Charlo looses nothing. When there is low to lose, he might show different boxing.

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