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Topic: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas - page 7. (Read 914 times)

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Ok we might as well get back to the Charlo again, as last weekend we have seen them in the crowd against Crawford. But they have seen how Crawford beat their boy Spence so for sure they wanted to get back in the ring ASAP.

And Jermell said that they have the recipe to beat Canelo, hehehe.

But we will see, he will be jumping 2 weight class to chase a bigger paycheck against the cash cow Canelo.

Hmm.. 2 weight class division jump, isn't this too much? Oh well we never know Manny did jump 2 weight class and dominates the division but I do not think this will also be the case here.  Canelo is very convenient fighting in his weight Division and can even go higher in weight division so I think Jermell Charlo is asking for a beating here.  I am also expecting a boring fight here but who knows, maybe Canelo will overpower and KO Jermell here because of his natural weight advantage.
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Ok we might as well get back to the Charlo again, as last weekend we have seen them in the crowd against Crawford. But they have seen how Crawford beat their boy Spence so for sure they wanted to get back in the ring ASAP.

And Jermell said that they have the recipe to beat Canelo, hehehe.

But we will see, he will be jumping 2 weight class to chase a bigger paycheck against the cash cow Canelo.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

We might only witness Canelo's best against opponents like Bivol or Benavidez. These are other opponents are only accepted by Canelo to warm his body and to make his money.

On Canelo's future, he might make one more offer for Bivol, if he does not accept, I speculate Canelo will try to negotiate a big money fight with Benavidez then retire.

Yes, that might be the case but that decision comes with some risks because if he choose to fight Bivol or Benavidez in a later date, we cannot really expect that he will be fighting just like the way he used to because that also means that he is much older by that time and there's wear and tear that could play a big factor to his upcoming fights.
Speaking about age, Canelo Alvarez will turn and celebrate his 33rd birthday this coming 18th.
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On Canelo's future, he might make one more offer for Bivol, if he does not accept, I speculate Canelo will try to negotiate a big money fight with Benavidez then retire.

I don't think he will retire at 32 he is still in a peak of his career, boxers will only retire when his body cannot keep up anymore, boxers career span is very short with the exception of great fighters like Pacquiao, he will continue to fight he is in a division where there are a lot of prospects and I don't think he reaches the epitome of his career to be called the greatest Mexican fighter of all time or even the greatest boxer of all time.

Canelo just signed a 3-fight deal with PBC that will start with Jermell Charlo and then Benavidez and Jermall as the most potential next opponents. Canelo will be 34 after that deal. And we're not sure if he gets past Benavidez or an active Jermall next year.

Without a doubt, Canelo has ambitions of becoming the greatest Mexican fighter of all time. Provided Canelo wins all his PBC fights, he might continue his career and will look for fights that will add to his legacy including a move to cruiserweight if a champion accepts weight limit and rehydration clause. He can go back to Matchroom in order to rematch Bivol, but it won't be easy. Bivol is younger than Canelo and has a more conservative long-lasting style. 
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On Canelo's future, he might make one more offer for Bivol, if he does not accept, I speculate Canelo will try to negotiate a big money fight with Benavidez then retire.

I don't think he will retire at 32 he is still in a peak of his career, boxers will only retire when his body cannot keep up anymore, boxers career span is very short with the exception of great fighters like Pacquiao, he will continue to fight he is in a division where there are a lot of prospects and I don't think he reaches the epitome of his career to be called the greatest Mexican fighter of all time or even the greatest boxer of all time.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

We might only witness Canelo's best against opponents like Bivol or Benavidez. These are other opponents are only accepted by Canelo to warm his body and to make his money.

On Canelo's future, he might make one more offer for Bivol, if he does not accept, I speculate Canelo will try to negotiate a big money fight with Benavidez then retire.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

Other reasons for that fight that I would like to think is that Canelo was advised by his doctor to be cautious about his wrist as it's not yet fully healed and he might get back to square one and risks the future fights if he will go all out, the only goal at that time was just to win and not to get a massive bounce back after his loss.

But that's just my though though Cheesy There might be a reason or there might not, who knows. In this upcoming fight, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed but I wouldn't expect a KO outcome.
Well for sure his team won't allow him to fight with a handicap 'coz they'd be losing their gem. Indeed as others have mentioned this is quite of a turn of event. Canelo still got the 'juice' for sure but Charlo isn't someone to be picked on without caution. As we ll know, this would be another must watch match but with this, I think I'd go with Charlo this time. A big fan of Canelo but everyone ages, his time is coming near as a pro boxer and this would be a good boost to Charlo's career, with that, I'm expecting him to be more of what he usually is. And on the other haand, Canelo is having a hard time at his aage, in every match. But I will definitely enjoy the match no maatter who the winner is.

That's what others are seeing as well, Canelo is ageing, and the wear and tear might have been taken it's toll to him already. Nevertheless, if there is one fight that he needs to focus and be 100% not just his body but his emotions and minds as well, this should be the fight.

This is the first of his fight with PBC and he doesn't want to underestimate the small Charlo who has to go up in weight from 154 lbs to 168 lbs because he will still be dangerous. And if Canelo won by fashion here, either by knockout or stoppage or even a dominant decision win, then we can say that Canelo is not done yet and pretty much a lot of fights inside of him.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

Other reasons for that fight that I would like to think is that Canelo was advised by his doctor to be cautious about his wrist as it's not yet fully healed and he might get back to square one and risks the future fights if he will go all out, the only goal at that time was just to win and not to get a massive bounce back after his loss.

But that's just my though though Cheesy There might be a reason or there might not, who knows. In this upcoming fight, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed but I wouldn't expect a KO outcome.
Well for sure his team won't allow him to fight with a handicap 'coz they'd be losing their gem. Indeed as others have mentioned this is quite of a turn of event. Canelo still got the 'juice' for sure but Charlo isn't someone to be picked on without caution. As we ll know, this would be another must watch match but with this, I think I'd go with Charlo this time. A big fan of Canelo but everyone ages, his time is coming near as a pro boxer and this would be a good boost to Charlo's career, with that, I'm expecting him to be more of what he usually is. And on the other haand, Canelo is having a hard time at his aage, in every match. But I will definitely enjoy the match no maatter who the winner is.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

Other reasons for that fight that I would like to think is that Canelo was advised by his doctor to be cautious about his wrist as it's not yet fully healed and he might get back to square one and risks the future fights if he will go all out, the only goal at that time was just to win and not to get a massive bounce back after his loss.

But that's just my though though Cheesy There might be a reason or there might not, who knows. In this upcoming fight, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed but I wouldn't expect a KO outcome.

I don't think it was the doctors though, for sure doctors are not going to give him the green light to fight if his injuries are not fully heal. I would say that this normal for boxers to have fighters or hands injuries. So this is a careful matchmaking on the part of Canelo's team and others says that this is a cherry pick fight for him.

And with that, let's give Jermell Charlo the balls for facing Canelo and he might have to thank his brother as well for initially accepting the fight and then bailing out to let Jermell take it as maybe they have the "plans" on how to beat Alvarez.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.
If you're a Canelo fanatic you'll still watch to support Canelo whoever he is fighting, if you're a neutral boxing fanatic you'll watch to see if there are unexpected things that are going to happen if you're a Charlo fan, you'll watch to support Charlo even though his chances are not good, people will watch because these are big names and both champions too even though the gap of skills and power is very obvious, but like all of you Canelo cannot go on avoiding Benavidez, he'll have to meet him in the ring if he wants his status as a superstar to remain.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.

Other reasons for that fight that I would like to think is that Canelo was advised by his doctor to be cautious about his wrist as it's not yet fully healed and he might get back to square one and risks the future fights if he will go all out, the only goal at that time was just to win and not to get a massive bounce back after his loss.

But that's just my though though Cheesy There might be a reason or there might not, who knows. In this upcoming fight, it will be hard to bet against the undisputed but I wouldn't expect a KO outcome.
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Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.

Hahaha, very true. We have seen how Canelo performed against Ryder which many thought that he would demolish the latter as a bounce-back performance after that loss to Bivol but that doesn't happen and we didn't see that extraordinary effort on Canelo's side so this time around I don't expect Canelo would be extraordinary. It would be better for his promoters to realize this so they will give the fans what they really wanted, a fight with Bivol or Benavidez.
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Remember that Canelo didn't have a good performance against John Ryder in Mexico. And there are a lot of boxing fans who are somewhat disappointed with his performance as he is expected to win by a knockout. And maybe he was really affected by his hand injuries. So he need to pick a fighter that he has a good chance to beat without damaging his legacy.

And maybe after this it will be Benavidez as it is reported that his deal with Al Haymon includes a fight with David.
I don't think Canelo's performance was bad against John Ryder, Canelo's performance is still good but Ryder is a true warrior since his nose was broke and he still able to continue the fight until the last round. But it's true Canelo is looking to fight with an opponent that wouldn't able to beat him, Jermall Charlo is one of the example.

The possibility Charlo to beat Canelo is pretty low, I'm more interested to watch Canelo vs Benavidez.

I very much agree. It appears for this fight Canelo only wants to collect money before his next real challenge which will be another round of negotiations for a rematch vs. Bivol. I speculate that he also does not want to fight Benavidez because it is risky and Canelo will lose his opportunity for Bivol if he is not the champion.

Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.
But Canelo is no longer with Eddie Hearn, he has moved to PBC and Al Haymon, and maybe it's very tough to do the negotiations for the rematch for Bivol. If he really wanted a rematch then he could at least agree for a 1 fight deal with Hearn. But Canelo doesn't want any of that, Bivol is too fast for him to deal with.

Now, facing another Charlo, this time is the active now. So yeah, 3 fight deal and the first fight is going to be easy for him.

And as you have said, just to collect money and in the next 2 fights, probably the bigger Benavidez but we will have to wait and see.
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Remember that Canelo didn't have a good performance against John Ryder in Mexico. And there are a lot of boxing fans who are somewhat disappointed with his performance as he is expected to win by a knockout. And maybe he was really affected by his hand injuries. So he need to pick a fighter that he has a good chance to beat without damaging his legacy.

And maybe after this it will be Benavidez as it is reported that his deal with Al Haymon includes a fight with David.
I don't think Canelo's performance was bad against John Ryder, Canelo's performance is still good but Ryder is a true warrior since his nose was broke and he still able to continue the fight until the last round. But it's true Canelo is looking to fight with an opponent that wouldn't able to beat him, Jermall Charlo is one of the example.

The possibility Charlo to beat Canelo is pretty low, I'm more interested to watch Canelo vs Benavidez.

Canelo dominated John Ryder that's what I saw it's just that Ryder is one tough guy, Canelo need not win by knocking out his opponents all the time, it's enough that he dominate the fight unanimous decision is still good, I don't rule out an upset on this fight because Jermell has proven his knock out power, for Jermell to have a chance against Canelo he needs to take the initiative and do what Bivol did never step back and do a lot of counter punches.
Jermell is in the fight of his life, and there will be a major shake-up if Jermell upsets Canelo.

Yes, although we can score it as bad performance because we are used to Canelo taking down his opponents with body shots, but after he has his second lost from the hands of Bivol Canelo with his hand injuries could have back off at least and test how good or bad his hands is.

And Ryder is huge and one tough fighter, that's why Canelo has a hard time to knocking his down and I will say that he could be bigger than Canelo fight now. So the heavier your opponent, the chances of him going down are slim unless you soften him up which Canelo can't accomplished because again, Ryder is very game opponent for him and did take Canelo's best shot.
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Remember that Canelo didn't have a good performance against John Ryder in Mexico. And there are a lot of boxing fans who are somewhat disappointed with his performance as he is expected to win by a knockout. And maybe he was really affected by his hand injuries. So he need to pick a fighter that he has a good chance to beat without damaging his legacy.

And maybe after this it will be Benavidez as it is reported that his deal with Al Haymon includes a fight with David.
I don't think Canelo's performance was bad against John Ryder, Canelo's performance is still good but Ryder is a true warrior since his nose was broke and he still able to continue the fight until the last round. But it's true Canelo is looking to fight with an opponent that wouldn't able to beat him, Jermall Charlo is one of the example.

The possibility Charlo to beat Canelo is pretty low, I'm more interested to watch Canelo vs Benavidez.

I very much agree. It appears for this fight Canelo only wants to collect money before his next real challenge which will be another round of negotiations for a rematch vs. Bivol. I speculate that he also does not want to fight Benavidez because it is risky and Canelo will lose his opportunity for Bivol if he is not the champion.

Canelo vs. Charlo is similar to an altcoin ICO. Hype it then take the money. Fans go home shaking their heads after watching an ordinary fight hehe.
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Remember that Canelo didn't have a good performance against John Ryder in Mexico. And there are a lot of boxing fans who are somewhat disappointed with his performance as he is expected to win by a knockout. And maybe he was really affected by his hand injuries. So he need to pick a fighter that he has a good chance to beat without damaging his legacy.

And maybe after this it will be Benavidez as it is reported that his deal with Al Haymon includes a fight with David.
I don't think Canelo's performance was bad against John Ryder, Canelo's performance is still good but Ryder is a true warrior since his nose was broke and he still able to continue the fight until the last round. But it's true Canelo is looking to fight with an opponent that wouldn't able to beat him, Jermall Charlo is one of the example.

The possibility Charlo to beat Canelo is pretty low, I'm more interested to watch Canelo vs Benavidez.

Canelo dominated John Ryder that's what I saw it's just that Ryder is one tough guy, Canelo need not win by knocking out his opponents all the time, it's enough that he dominate the fight unanimous decision is still good, I don't rule out an upset on this fight because Jermell has proven his knock out power, for Jermell to have a chance against Canelo he needs to take the initiative and do what Bivol did never step back and do a lot of counter punches.
Jermell is in the fight of his life, and there will be a major shake-up if Jermell upsets Canelo.

And let's not forget that Canelo might have felt uncomfortable at that time as he just had a surgery a couple of months prior the fight, he just had to face John Ryder in-order to keep him warm while avoiding the risk of inactivity. Canelo got all the plans set and fighting Charlo is included in it, and I can tell that he will not let go of Bivol until he can get that deal done because it is still a win-win situation for him.

As per Jermell Charlo, no offense but I don't really see him winning against Canelo because he will face a very tough challenge for jumping two divisions and facing the strongest boxer in SMW directly. He will have no time to adjust as that will literally take some time off his clock.
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Nice, as I have said in the previous thread, everyone might be caught off guard with Jermell now facing Canelo, It's all business for PBC and Charlo and Canelo himself. Perhaps he has read the backlash from the boxing community about him and PBC choosing Jermall as Canelo's dance partner as Jermall is inactive. So they look for the best opponent for Canelo at PBC outside of Benavidez and that is his twin brother Jermell. Weight might be an issue as he is fighting at 154 lbs. Nevertheless he will have all the time in the world to bulk up to 168 lbs and most likely this could be his dream fight or at least both of the Charlo wanted to fight Alvarez. But I guess majority will still favor the natural super middleweight champion in Canelo here.

Jermell can bulk up and his height is decent at 168. But still, it is 14 pounds added to his body and he is not used to fighting at 168. I also doubt Jermell has the power to back off Canelo. Canelo will be aggressive in this fight and would score a stoppage.

David Benavidez and Jermall Charlo are probably next after Jermell. I doubt there are any other popular names PBC can offer to Canelo's 3-fight deal. WBA regular, David Morrell would've been perfect together with WBC interim David Benavidez but the former's market can be a problem knowing that PBC invested a lot of money to get Canelo and it needs to make marketable fights in order to profit from the deal.
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Wow, this is nuts, i mean of the two Jermall has the higher chance of betting Canelo than Jermell because the latter would jump up two-weight division just to face the unified champion at 168lbs division.

Whoever of the twin brother he will face, surely for me this is cherry-picking at its finest, how come they can't come up with a fight with Benavidez where that would generate more gate revenue than this one?

Will temporarily close the other thread as I think Jermell will be the likely opponent as per the article but no contracts has been signed yet so nothing is set in stone but I would like the discussion to be focused on this thread for now.


Doesn't really make sense at all because Jermell have to jump across two weight class just for this fight and I actually agree with you mate, comparing the two, Jermall is much more suitable as he got more talent and just one weight class away from super-middleweight. Although, he is inactive for 2 years but I reckon that he can at least make a difference compared to his brother who is also inactive for more than 1 year.

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Whoever of the twin brother he will face, surely for me this is cherry-picking at its finest, how come they can't come up with a fight with Benavidez where that would generate more gate revenue than this one?

With Canelo's recent situation that got his wrist in a surgery, he is no longer sure if he can defend his belts against Benavidez. He can duck and give many reasons but it is already clear for me.
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It is really weird because if you had a twin brother it is OK to be your proxy for the fight rather than to cancel the fight because of Jermell Charlo's hand injury on the sparring and before this, he should be defending his title against Tim Tszyu instead of Canelo Alvarez, but yeah I guess the Tim Tszyu fight was all canceled and right now the Canelo Alvarez should also go into the kitchen sink because it could be another picked fight for Canelo Alvarez, but because of hand injury Jermell Charlo will be having a proxy fighter and this is with the 35 wins and 1 lost and 1 draw, Jermell Charlo, instead of the 32 wins 0 losses Jermall Charlo, Jermell's twin brother,

It should be an undisputed Jermall Charlo instead we will be having Jermell Charlo instead, it was a confusing sight to behold in my opinion, but still a great fight to watch even though we got his most experienced twin brother to fight on Sept 30, in Las Vegas,

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Remember that Canelo didn't have a good performance against John Ryder in Mexico. And there are a lot of boxing fans who are somewhat disappointed with his performance as he is expected to win by a knockout. And maybe he was really affected by his hand injuries. So he need to pick a fighter that he has a good chance to beat without damaging his legacy.

And maybe after this it will be Benavidez as it is reported that his deal with Al Haymon includes a fight with David.
I don't think Canelo's performance was bad against John Ryder, Canelo's performance is still good but Ryder is a true warrior since his nose was broke and he still able to continue the fight until the last round. But it's true Canelo is looking to fight with an opponent that wouldn't able to beat him, Jermall Charlo is one of the example.

The possibility Charlo to beat Canelo is pretty low, I'm more interested to watch Canelo vs Benavidez.

Canelo dominated John Ryder that's what I saw it's just that Ryder is one tough guy, Canelo need not win by knocking out his opponents all the time, it's enough that he dominate the fight unanimous decision is still good, I don't rule out an upset on this fight because Jermell has proven his knock out power, for Jermell to have a chance against Canelo he needs to take the initiative and do what Bivol did never step back and do a lot of counter punches.
Jermell is in the fight of his life, and there will be a major shake-up if Jermell upsets Canelo.
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