[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas - page 3.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 27, 2023, 07:26:14 PM

Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

After seeing Canelo's recent performances I would be hyped up too if I was Charlo. Canelo is coming from the loss to Bivol and lackluster decision wins against an old GGG and fringe contender John Ryder. The Canelo we have seen recently seems vulnerable. I'm just not too convinced about Charlo having what it takes to defeat a Canelo in decline. His inactivity and being in a new weight class are significant disadvantages. Despite being undisputed, Charlo has never been regarded too highly and is rarely included in any pound for pound lists. This is due to 154 being a weak division that has not allowed him to transcend in the sport.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 27, 2023, 08:30:31 AM

Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

Yes, it's another good bet for us here mate, so I might be thinking of throwing good money on that line as well. Charlo thinks that he can beat this version of Canelo and it seems that the media is hyping him up.

But I think Canelo will not go down easily, as we have seen when his critics is on him, he proved them wrong just like his fight with GGG. And when we think that he could be in the sunset of his career or at least losing a step, great boxers usually had a fight that will show that he still has it, just like Manny when he beat Keith Thurman.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 27, 2023, 08:30:31 AM

Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

I agree, as we’ve seen throughout Canelo’s career, he’s just too good for pretty much everybody and I expect that to be the case here, especially as Charlo is moving up two weight classes for this fight. Canelo is just going to be too strong.

I think Charlo is probably only taking this fight as it’s a career pay day. You just can’t turn down the opportunity to fight Canelo with the financial security it will bring.

I think Canelo might get a late TKO stop win.

There’s a free to enter prediction competition here, if you qualify - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-canelo-vs-charlo-saturday-september-30-5468064

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Already fight week and as usual, bookies already had a lot of options for us to bet and I've noticed that bookies were enticed that this fight would go the full twelve rounds but I think the opposite as Charlo is small as this is his first fight in the 168lbs division so the risk of being KOed is high at least in my point of view and the odds for that is juicy enough for me to push that button.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 22, 2023, 05:37:09 PM

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

The only thing more insane than Freddie Roach's prediction is the fact that Mario Barrios is somehow getting another opportunity at a major title. His most notable accomplishment is winning a very questionable decision for a secondary WBA title against an unknown fighter with only 7 fights. Somehow he goes on to headline two PPVs and is now featured on a Canelo undercard fighting for a belt which has no reason to exist since Crawford is the undisputed champ and is not injured. The sanctioning bodies, mainly the WBC and WBA, don't even try to hide their corruption by allowing their favorite promoters to dictate which fighters are given the opportunity to become champion regardless of how deserving they may be.

That is so true, the likes of WBC really started the whole politics and favouritism and corruption in boxing. And it's obvious that Barrios is not a top level boxer at 147 lbs and yet get the title even if Thurman has defeated him and then Ugas coming from a big lost to Spence.

It's really insane to hear what Freddie Roach said, however, he made a lot of predictions as well in the past if my memory serves me right and it didn't go as want he has said. So I would take it with a grain of salt.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 22, 2023, 05:37:09 PM

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

The only thing more insane than Freddie Roach's prediction is the fact that Mario Barrios is somehow getting another opportunity at a major title. His most notable accomplishment is winning a very questionable decision for a secondary WBA title against an unknown fighter with only 7 fights. Somehow he goes on to headline two PPVs and is now featured on a Canelo undercard fighting for a belt which has no reason to exist since Crawford is the undisputed champ and is not injured. The sanctioning bodies, mainly the WBC and WBA, don't even try to hide their corruption by allowing their favorite promoters to dictate which fighters are given the opportunity to become champion regardless of how deserving they may be.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 23, 2023, 08:54:25 AM

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Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

We never know; unexpected things can happen. Remember when we thought that Canelo would easily beat Bivol, but the opposite happened? Jermell Charlo may not be a KO artist like Canelo, but he is the bigger guy here. If he can use his size advantage to frustrate Canelo, it might make Canelo lose his focus, and in the later rounds, Jermell Charlo might be able to capitalize on that. Although I would agree that the chances of it happening are very slim, this is boxing, and both fighters are capable in the ring, so let's consider the possibility.

I mean if we are talking about a knockout win against Canelo? Even the bigger and the natural LHW in Bivol wasn't able to bring Canelo down even if he had that advantage and even the volume punching that he thrown in that fight. There were moments that Canelo was is in corner and has been hit multiple times by Bivol and yet he even encourage Bivol to come in for more.

That's why I said, if there is an upset win, Canelo might lose in the cards and not be a knockout by Charlo. Charlo is the bigger guy, he is tall, but Canelo body is very different, he is very thick, specially in his shoulders and perhaps that is one factor why it's hard to knock him down. He also maintain that center of gravity.

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For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

I also saw it on Facebook but I haven't read nor heard his full explanation on why he thought Charlo would win over Canelo at 168. But maybe it is really about the thought that Canelo is already declining. I also heard rumors that Canelo's lifestyle has changed a lot lately and his work ethic is no longer the same.

Yes, it could be that Roach saw something in the John Ryder fight that he thinks that Canelo is declining already.
And I think Canelo knows this, and he even answer this question and he says that this fight will tell if he is already declining or not.

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But still, it is really hard to see Charlo win by knockout. Maybe a decision is possible but I cannot imagine Canelo getting knocked out. Bivol at 175 pummeled Canelo but there was not even a single knockdown so I highly doubt a 154 guy moving up 2 divisions and is also not a known knockout artist will score a knockout win.

Or even GGG himself, who tag Canelo with power punches, and yet he still just shake it off as it nothing hits him. So his chin is still intact as he gets older.
And as you have said, a true 175 lbs, didn't even put a dent on Canelo but it's obvious that he might felt the power of Bivol but not enough to even shake his knees.
So I also doubt that Charlo will be the one to knock him out.
Maybe Roach is just hyping this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 22, 2023, 04:33:31 PM

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For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

I also saw it on Facebook but I haven't read nor heard his full explanation on why he thought Charlo would win over Canelo at 168. But maybe it is really about the thought that Canelo is already declining. I also heard rumors that Canelo's lifestyle has changed a lot lately and his work ethic is no longer the same.

But still, it is really hard to see Charlo win by knockout. Maybe a decision is possible but I cannot imagine Canelo getting knocked out. Bivol at 175 pummeled Canelo but there was not even a single knockdown so I highly doubt a 154 guy moving up 2 divisions and is also not a known knockout artist will score a knockout win.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 22, 2023, 05:37:09 PM

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

We never know; unexpected things can happen. Remember when we thought that Canelo would easily beat Bivol, but the opposite happened? Jermell Charlo may not be a KO artist like Canelo, but he is the bigger guy here. If he can use his size advantage to frustrate Canelo, it might make Canelo lose his focus, and in the later rounds, Jermell Charlo might be able to capitalize on that. Although I would agree that the chances of it happening are very slim, this is boxing, and both fighters are capable in the ring, so let's consider the possibility.

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It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

I do agree that it was a big surprised that this names become the an undercard and then it will be for the interim belt. Ugas has been exposed already by Spence during their fight. He is lucky that he caught Manny during their fight, I mean Manny didn't train for him, so Manny wasn't able to tailor his strategy for a Ugas fight that's why he upset the legendary boxer.

But against Spence, it was a different Ugas, he was just fighting in the pocket, although with Spence mental lapses, he almost got to score a knockdown.

Anyways, I disagree with Freddie Roach though, I do not see Charlo winning by a knockout, maybe if there is a upset here, it should be in the judges scorecard that might favor Charlo.

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It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

If I'm not mistaken, Barrios came from a win mate, against a relatively unknown Jovanie Santiago. So he might be in the momentum here against Ugas. I wouldn't say that Ugas is predictable, he had success early on Spence and almost knock him down with Spence lost focus.

For Barrios, he had losses to Thurman, so I guess we can see that when he tries to step the competition, he somewhat looks very B level fighter as compare to Ugas who has fought and give better fights when he faces tough opponents.

The WBC is once again doing magic for money. Both do not deserve this WBC interim fight. Yordenis Ugas is a good fighter but after being badly beaten by Spence and more than a year of inactivity, there is no valid reason why he gets this shot right away. Mario Barrios does not even deserve a rank in the top 10. Aside from the WBC, I doubt the other 3 sanctioning bodies are ranking him in the top 10. Ugas is already old and inactive but he should be able to win by decision against the more undeserving opponent.

I wonder how much PBC is paying Sulaiman to keep the belt in their network once Terrence Crawford vacates his belts. Although it is only for the WBC interim belt, it will probably help the Canelo-Charlo PPV at least to the casuals.

Yes, it seems that again, Sulaiman has been paid to have this two underserving fighters to fight in the undercard and then have the interim belt in the line and it's pretty obvious though. PBC is really that have influence in boxing right now, and so it's a win-win for WBC and for the stable fighters of PBC at 147 lbs.

For this fight, I read some social media post about the fame coach Roach saying that he favors Charlo here and he will be the first one to knockout Canelo. With all respect to Roach though, we all know what he had done to Manny and other boxers, but not sure what so special that he see on Charlo to say that. Maybe he thought that Canelo is declining, but I doubt that he can simply be knockout at 168 lbs.

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This fight is getting nearer, and for sure everyone is ready and waiting for this fight.
Although Charlo is a 3:1 underdog in this fight, I still haven't put my bet yet as I will be waiting till the last minute as I wanted to see the last weigh-in.
Anyone has pull the trigger for this fight yet?
The Over/Under is 10.5 rounds, I'm still seeing that this fight might go to distance, and in the judges hand by the odds are not very attractive for the Over though.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 15, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

If I'm not mistaken, Barrios came from a win mate, against a relatively unknown Jovanie Santiago. So he might be in the momentum here against Ugas. I wouldn't say that Ugas is predictable, he had success early on Spence and almost knock him down with Spence lost focus.

For Barrios, he had losses to Thurman, so I guess we can see that when he tries to step the competition, he somewhat looks very B level fighter as compare to Ugas who has fought and give better fights when he faces tough opponents.

The WBC is once again doing magic for money. Both do not deserve this WBC interim fight. Yordenis Ugas is a good fighter but after being badly beaten by Spence and more than a year of inactivity, there is no valid reason why he gets this shot right away. Mario Barrios does not even deserve a rank in the top 10. Aside from the WBC, I doubt the other 3 sanctioning bodies are ranking him in the top 10. Ugas is already old and inactive but he should be able to win by decision against the more undeserving opponent.

I wonder how much PBC is paying Sulaiman to keep the belt in their network once Terrence Crawford vacates his belts. Although it is only for the WBC interim belt, it will probably help the Canelo-Charlo PPV at least to the casuals.

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It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

If I'm not mistaken, Barrios came from a win mate, against a relatively unknown Jovanie Santiago. So he might be in the momentum here against Ugas. I wouldn't say that Ugas is predictable, he had success early on Spence and almost knock him down with Spence lost focus.

For Barrios, he had losses to Thurman, so I guess we can see that when he tries to step the competition, he somewhat looks very B level fighter as compare to Ugas who has fought and give better fights when he faces tough opponents.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 15, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

I'm not sure about Ugas after his loss to Spence; perhaps he has become more predictable. Therefore, this fight is going to be interesting. Both boxers are coming off losses, so they'll be training hard to get back on the winning track. The good thing with Ugas is that he defeated Pacman, but you never know – what if Barrios pulls off a surprise?

I personally believe that once a boxer loses in a championship fight, he is never the same boxer again.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 15, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

I think this fight might be good in the first couple of rounds, and then Ugas taking over with his boxing skills.
For me Barrios is just a overballoon 147 lbs, no offfense to him, but this is a very tough weight class and it's very hard to survived if you don't have the power.
So maybe in less than 10 rounds, Ugas might win with a KO or the corner of Barrios stopping the fight because of the damage that he is taking.
And it's just weird that he is getting this kind of opportunity though by WBC and fight for the interim belt.
But this 2 fighters are going to be just toyed by current champion in Crawford.

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It's interesting that in the undercard or co-main event, there will be Ugas vs Barrios for the WBC interim championship 147 lbs belt. Initially though it was supposedly Ugas vs Thurman, but unfortunately, Thurman again back out of the fight and so the man he beat will have the chance to get an interim belt.

And this is the first time that Ugas will fight after Spence f**k him up so bad more than a year ago to get the belt he won against Manny Pacquiao. And as per bookies, Ugas is 4:1 favorite here.

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One thing that might go for Charlo here is that he doesn't have to drained himself to 154 lbs. And he is probably the bigger guy here, I mean he is taller that Canelo and could probably be walking more than 168 lbs in the off-season. Just like when we see him in the Spence vs Crawford fight, for me he is walking close to 180-190 lbs that night.

So no more weight draining him in this fight and he could be really be a fit at Middle to Super Middleweight division and very well be comfortable at this weight class that's why he didn't blink and look forward for this fight with Canelo signs a 3 fight deal with PBC.

I don't see it as an advantage he can be bigger but Canelo is good at going inside against big guys unless he can do the things like what Bivol did whenever Canelo tries to gets in Bivol have a counter move and counter punches, the key here for Charlo is his defense and how he counters.
Canelo was beaten by two of defense and counter punch specialist, I'm sure his team will work it out, Canelo is offense minded so Charlo need not slug it out, id he knows how to wait and do the rght timing in landing big punches then Canelo wil have a long night ahead.

We can't just fully underestimate Charlo here because just like what has been said, he got some advantage when it comes to the size and height, so maybe we can say that he might imitate what Bivol did and use that same advantage against Canelo so that he will have some struggles during the fight. He might be the king of 168 but every boxer has their own weakness and Canelo has been cracked already, that's why it's not that really hard to do mainly if Charlo is able to bring his speed and strength at 168.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on August 19, 2023, 09:08:09 AM

^^ Might be first time that we are going to see a 3 divisional and unified champion if Crawford chooses to fight the winner of the Charlo vs Canelo. But then again, if Charlo is going to move up 2 division, Crawford will have to do 3 here from 147 lbs to 168 lbs and it's a big jump that no one has done before.

So it's a big challenge for him, although I wanted to see him going for Charlo's belt 154 lbs (if he is not stripped of it fighting Canelo here). It will be extra ordinary for him to just 3 weight classes and then beat Canelo at 168 lbs.

If Crawford can pull that one successfully, it will be on the history books and that is the kind of record that could be unbeatable even if someone will try to pull that kind of move again in the future because it's not something that can be done easily. Crawford already did a history and adding another undisputed title in another division will definitely put him on the top of every boxer that has been around in the industry.

But the question is, can he pull that one off? It will be a risky one because he is still undefeated and regarding that jump, he needed to add 9 kilograms more or 11 pounds more just to get a fight against the one and only Canelo Alvarez.

21 pounds to be exact, not 11. But as you have said, it will be at risk, not just for his belt on the line, but for his health as well. And because it hasn't been done before, we can only speculate that is it going to be very difficult for Crawford and his frame as it will not be used to have that drastic body change and then learn to carry it during a fight.

It might affect his speed and reflex or even his power. Of course his mind might be tune in, but his body might be different and respond different to the outside stimulus of being heavier in fight night.

A lot of factors should be considered first mainly if the boxer is not yet accustomed in that specific weight class and speaking about three weight classes apart, speed and power will be the main key but without any of these, his path towards making a history will definitely fail without a doubt. He might survive it but that doesn't mean that he will also bring a win on his side because he'll just be overwhelmed by the guys who are much more comfortable at that said weight class.

Could be, but him and his coach are really that confident that Crawford can go up at that 168 lbs and challenge either Canelo or Charlo. And with that, since this hasn't been accomplished by, so we really don't know what will it bring though.

The closest that we can see if Manny Pacquiao. But then again, Manny is a freak of nature, going up in weight class that people can't believed he actually beat a bigger man in Antonio Margarito and fuck him up so bad that he quit and his eyes shattered.

We can say that Manny Pacquiao deserved some exemption when it comes to climbing some steep ladders Grin

as in your words, the man is a freak that no one could've believed that it can be pulled off. But he made it possible and we're not that sure if someone can imitate that because Manny Pacquiao is definitely the one and only.

Regarding about Crawford's plan, while Canelo and Charlo's fight is still upcoming, he should accept Spence's fight in the meantime but he should make sure that it will happen at 154 so that they will know if his strength, power and speed are still with him because if he's quite slower at 154 then he shouldn't be fighting anyone specially Canelo at 168.

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