Topic: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs Jermell Charlo - September 30th in Las Vegas - page 4. (Read 1186 times)

I don't see it as an advantage he can be bigger but Canelo is good at going inside against big guys unless he can do the things like what Bivol did whenever Canelo tries to gets in Bivol have a counter move and counter punches, the key here for Charlo is his defense and how he counters.
Canelo was beaten by two of defense and counter punch specialist, I'm sure his team will work it out, Canelo is offense minded so Charlo need not slug it out, id he knows how to wait and do the rght timing in landing big punches then Canelo wil have a long night ahead.

Could be, but him and his coach are really that confident that Crawford can go up at that 168 lbs and challenge either Canelo or Charlo. And with that, since this hasn't been accomplished by, so we really don't know what will it bring though.

The closest that we can see if Manny Pacquiao. But then again, Manny is a freak of nature, going up in weight class that people can't believed he actually beat a bigger man in Antonio Margarito and fuck him up so bad that he quit and his eyes shattered.

One thing that might go for Charlo here is that he doesn't have to drained himself to 154 lbs. And he is probably the bigger guy here, I mean he is taller that Canelo and could probably be walking more than 168 lbs in the off-season. Just like when we see him in the Spence vs Crawford fight, for me he is walking close to 180-190 lbs that night.

So no more weight draining him in this fight and he could be really be a fit at Middle to Super Middleweight division and very well be comfortable at this weight class that's why he didn't blink and look forward for this fight with Canelo signs a 3 fight deal with PBC.

A lot of factors should be considered first mainly if the boxer is not yet accustomed in that specific weight class and speaking about three weight classes apart, speed and power will be the main key but without any of these, his path towards making a history will definitely fail without a doubt. He might survive it but that doesn't mean that he will also bring a win on his side because he'll just be overwhelmed by the guys who are much more comfortable at that said weight class.

I like unification fights because we love to see undisputed champions in every division. But I do not like champions that are keeping their belts hostage and depriving their mandatories of their well-deserved title shots. Unless of course, when the champion is making a unification fight which makes it an exemption.

This has something to do with money. Bud is right, him vs Canelo at 168 for the undisputed belts is the biggest fight right now. That I am very confident that it would reach an easy over a million PPV buys. I am not saying Bud is a money-first type of fighter because we've seen what he did and it is all about legacy unlike Tank Davis and Tyson Fury. I don't see Bud winning over Canelo at 168 but imagine if he wins. The first-ever 3-division undisputed in the 4-belt era. Jumping up 3 divisions north to win the undisputed title along with his 135 lineal championship would be lit of an accomplishment and he will be considered one of the best ever if not the best. Only Pacman became the 5 division lineal champion and Bud has the chance to tie it with a victory over Canelo at 168 and Charlo at 154.

21 pounds to be exact, not 11. But as you have said, it will be at risk, not just for his belt on the line, but for his health as well. And because it hasn't been done before, we can only speculate that is it going to be very difficult for Crawford and his frame as it will not be used to have that drastic body change and then learn to carry it during a fight.

It might affect his speed and reflex or even his power. Of course his mind might be tune in, but his body might be different and respond different to the outside stimulus of being heavier in fight night.

Obviously, it has evolved that anyone can challenge the other champions of the division, specially in the likes of Crawford who has clean up the best of the 147 lbs. Unlike before wherein we see boxers claiming to be the best by not just cleaning up the division, but defending it multiple times, like GGG or Bernard Hopkins.

Now they jump easily, unify the belts without much defending it against their mandatories.

And what you have pointed out, it's now a big business and these boxers are business man and specially if you are a champion, you wanted a fight that will give you $10M or higher per fight.

What's with this boxers though jumping in weight class, I wanted to think that they wanted to challenge the best and proved who is better. But as you have said, it no more that macho thingy, it's all about the money that they can generated right now before their retire and for sure this is in the minds of Crawford, and it's a win-wint for him. If he beat Canelo then his name is in the record books for sure. But if he lose, then he can still fight Charlo at 154 lbs and become a 3 weight division unified champ and again, it's all about the money today.

Canelo has a 3-fight deal with PBC and I expect those fights will be against the Charlos twins and then Jose Benavidez. But if Crawford is serious in his ambitions then Canelo might have an easy way of doing that PBC deal and at the same time makes more money. Canelo after Jermell will probably take on Jermall next as he won't allow that guy to fully recover from his inactivity and then late next year he will take Bud Crawford who's nearing 37 by that time. Benavidez will never get his chance of a title shot and the corrupt WBC won't mind him.

Crawford was probably being convinced by his team to take the Canelo fight because of the huge money involved. Bud already mentioned before that there is no way he is moving up to 168 and 175 and he sees Canelo as someone too big. If he is now convinced to fight Canelo then it will be the end of his undefeated streak. At 168 he will be heavier, and slower, and at 37 his reflexes are diminishing and I doubt his power can hurt Canelo who's been campaigning and fighting the bigger guys for some years already.

Jumping in weight class is really risky, just like I said before, Roy Jones took that route going as high as Heavyweight but it took a toll on him when the tries to go down in weight as his body reacted different from a drastic weight cut.

Of course it's going to be one for the books, but if he is willing to do that and take a risk to go up and add from a super welterweight to super middleweight, it will be one hard to break and that is one record that will not be broken for a long time.

If Crawford can pull that one successfully, it will be on the history books and that is the kind of record that could be unbeatable even if someone will try to pull that kind of move again in the future because it's not something that can be done easily. Crawford already did a history and adding another undisputed title in another division will definitely put him on the top of every boxer that has been around in the industry.

But the question is, can he pull that one off? It will be a risky one because he is still undefeated and regarding that jump, he needed to add 9 kilograms more or 11 pounds more just to get a fight against the one and only Canelo Alvarez.

^^ Might be first time that we are going to see a 3 divisional and unified champion if Crawford chooses to fight the winner of the Charlo vs Canelo. But then again, if Charlo is going to move up 2 division, Crawford will have to do 3 here from 147 lbs to 168 lbs and it's a big jump that no one has done before.

So it's a big challenge for him, although I wanted to see him going for Charlo's belt 154 lbs (if he is not stripped of it fighting Canelo here). It will be extra ordinary for him to just 3 weight classes and then beat Canelo at 168 lbs.

Well for me, from what I've seen how their fights are, the one who has the clear advantage is Canelo, it also doesn't hurt to say that if Jermell if his training is far above and he makes an effort to fight with Canelo, he has to be giving it his all , because the fight is upon us, and after 1 month he has to train intensively and that is something he can achieve if he sets his mind to it, fighting Canelo is not just anything, he is a strong opponent and has a lot to offer in fact the Canelo's technique is quite good and he can win easily if Jermell doesn't prepare well, I don't think Canelo is worried, many are pointing out that Jermell will fall so that he will fall from the division and thus can adapt more, but it is something that I don't know if it is good or not, besides, I don't rule out that they put Canelo in trouble, I've always said that in a fight anything can happen.

We are used to the style that Canelo has, besides that he is a man who likes to attract attention a lot, he is aware of his social networks, and he makes statements that if they attract attention, it is incredible, that he has time for all those things, but I think that eu that goes in his personality.

and, wow wow  wow:


Terence Crawford wants to fight Canelo vs. Jermell winner at 168 for undisputed championship





Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/08/terence-crawford-wants-to-fight-canelo-vs-jermell-winner-at-168-for-undisputed-championship/

Well, going from 147 to 168lb is something that is quite demanding but I have faith in him, the rest wants to be 3 times the undisputed, this really gets very interesting, I know that Crawford has a very good preparation, and the truth for me is one of The boxers who fight the best in the world, and if he wants to challenge a Canelo, well, whoever does, let's see how Canelo will turn out, I think Canelo won't say no, he has been in that position many times And he knows what it's like to ask for challenges and rematches, and that they don't want to hurt them, besides, he himself had to have seen the fight that Crawford had against Spence, but if Crawford raises these dfivsions, then Spence's rematch? Perhaps if everything goes well for Crawford, Spence will do the same just to seek that revenge? This will turn a different color if Canelo accepts this challenge, will it be as impressive as Crawford vs. Spence? I think that if this happens, it will be much more epic.

Spot on!  That is why most boxer who goes up in weight division is often the underdog because of the challenges like absorbing punches, maintaining speed and agility, capability to damage the opponent.  Besides this isn't just one weight division jump but rather it is a two division upgrade so it is really a test of Charlo if his chin and body is that sturdy to resist and absorb the heavy punches of Canelo.


It is very obvious that Canelo is at an advantage in this coming fight.  Thinking that this is the convenient weight category for Canelo where he does his best, there shouldn't be any doubt that he will win this fight easily.

Personally, if Canelo Alvarez destroys Jermell Charlo, I would love Charlo to drop 2 divisions again to fight Terrence Crawford for his 3 belts.

Although it is really true that it is very hard to just move up 2 weight divisions and then drop in weight again. Roy Jones Jr. is a very good example moving up 2 weight divisions and becoming a heavyweight champion and then all of a sudden he was never the same when he dropped 2 divisions again.

Another example is Kell Brook who was then champion and undefeated but dared to move up 2 divisions north only to be brutally busted by GGG and breaking his eye socket. Brook after dropping weight again lost to Errol Spence. Former heavyweight champion Chris Byrd tried dropping 2 divisions thinking he would do good but ended up getting destroyed.

Manny Pacquiao also move up 2 divisions against Oscar De La Hoya but never went back to the same division again and instead dropped only 1 division to face Ricky Hatton.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about Canelo in this fight, given that he's competing in his preferred weight class. Bookies seem to recognize his strong potential for victory, making him the clear favorite. Analyzing the betting odds, it's quite apparent that Canelo is highly likely to emerge as the winner.

Canelo Alvarez Vs Jermell Charlo Betting Odds


As both a fan and a bettor, I won't overcomplicate things. I'll simply look forward to enjoying the upcoming fight. Jermell Charlo undoubtedly poses a awesome challenge for Canelo. However, as I previously mentioned, my support is firmly behind Canelo for the win.

Just interesting to hear though that Canelo knows that his critics is saying that he has lost some steps, and this fight will proved that he still has it, or just slipping away and might be the start of his downward path in boxing.

At least though he has recognized this and so he knows what are the stakes are, besides the belt and the money. The stakes is that this fight will be a good measuring stick for him and his team to see if he can still pull the trigger or score a knockout victory.

Tough to say for the Crawford vs Charlo fight because just like what you mentioned, there is a good chance that Jermell Charlo cannot go back anymore to his comfortable weight class where he has the undisputed belts and just like what the sanctioning bodies have stated in the past week, Charlo will not be an undisputed anymore after his fight against Canelo, regardless of the outcome of the fight. So, Crawford might not be that inclined to fight anymore because Charlo might not even go back.

I don't think so because they already have established the date (Sept. 30, 2023) and place of the fight (T-Mobile Arena), so there is no holding back from both camps to not to make the fight happen unless there will be some emergencies or injuries in the process that will be a hurdle to re-schedule the fight. Moreover, both of them have started their face-to-face press conference, so we can say as well that they already are on their halfway point in preparing for the fight.

This is just the start of the promotion of this fight, so obviously they will not go at at this year. But I will predict that when the fight gets slower, Charlo might open his mouth and attack Canelo and start this whole verbal and trash talking that he is known for in his career.

It might be good though for their promotion of their fight, that at least there is some story line about it and will make people and casual boxing fans to be interested and they maybe it will sell on their PPV.