[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico

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Quote from: mirakal on May 08, 2023, 03:24:14 PM

Yes, it's evident enough that John Ryder was strong enough to endure Canelo's punches but he still got knocked down somewhere in Round 5 and I reckon that if only Ryder packed a strong punch, he could've give Canelo some harder time rather than waiting until the fight ends. And I do agree with John Ryder, Canelo seems declining and we can see it because that's not how he usually perform in some fights.

Given that comment, it's much safer for Canelo to face Benavidez rather than visiting Dmitry Bivol again in his own division where a loss is almost inevitable in Canelo's side. Safer because at least with Benavidez, he got more chances but the kid pack quite a strong punch which also gives some risks to Canelo.

Looking forward for Canelo to fight either Bivol or Benavidez before this year ends.

I don't think so, Benavidez is a dangerous fight also, just look at Benavidez's fight against Plant he goes there to punish Plant even though Benavidez wins by unanimous decision compared to Canelo knocking him out he puts a superb and superior performance, Canelo will also be in trouble fighting a guy who just comes forward to dish out everything, but there are already reports of Bivol and Canelo willingness to fight either from Bivol's weight category or Canelo's weight category, so so many things to watch out for Canelo's next fight.

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Quote from: Jating on May 08, 2023, 03:18:42 AM

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Yeap, imho Ryder showed more heart in this fight than Canelo. We saw usual Canelo, everything was expected from him. Ryder did a really great fight. A lot of people did not trust in him, he was a huge underdog and many predicted early stoppage. However the fight went full distance. Even despite huge dominance on score cards, I liked how Ryder showed himself in that fight. Ryder even managed to take few rounds.

I just wander what Canelo is going to do next. Another victory among middleweights. Another predicted victory. Are there any fighters left who havent lost to Canelo? I see only one way for Canelo - to try again to fight in light heavyweight.

I expected a knockout win for Canelo to somehow impress his fans after his loss to Bivol but that didn't happen because like you said, Ryder showed up into the fight prepared for whatever Canelo brings into the table but just wasn't enough to get that win as we all know that in order for Ryder to win he must dominate or KO the Mexican.

For me, Canelo should fight Benavidez first and if he wins, he can do a rematch with Bivol and enough with those tune-up fights that everyone knows whose gonna win.

Ryder said that he broke his noise during this fight, first time that it did happen to him, but he was really a tough mofo, and just decided not to get knockout. If that is other boxers, they could have taken a dive and Canelo winning and fans very happy with that result. But not Ryder, shows resiliency and make the fight very competitive at least in his part.

I do agree that it's better to g for Benavidez to defend his belt again. One thing that Ryder said though that Canelo is starting to decline at this point. And this is what the majority saw in this fight. So it's going to be interesting if he chooses David next as Benavidez is younger.

Yes, it's evident enough that John Ryder was strong enough to endure Canelo's punches but he still got knocked down somewhere in Round 5 and I reckon that if only Ryder packed a strong punch, he could've give Canelo some harder time rather than waiting until the fight ends. And I do agree with John Ryder, Canelo seems declining and we can see it because that's not how he usually perform in some fights.

Given that comment, it's much safer for Canelo to face Benavidez rather than visiting Dmitry Bivol again in his own division where a loss is almost inevitable in Canelo's side. Safer because at least with Benavidez, he got more chances but the kid pack quite a strong punch which also gives some risks to Canelo.

Looking forward for Canelo to fight either Bivol or Benavidez before this year ends.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on May 07, 2023, 03:31:36 PM

As expected, Canelo will dominate the fight although John Ryder also earn my respect. He fought toe to toe against Canelo. I thought the fight were finished when John Ryder goes down on the round 5 but Ryder is able to stand up and survive the fight till the last round. I can say John Ryder is one tough fighter, despite of the broken nose in the early round, he managed to survive until the end. I thought that knockdown will be followed by several one but at the end Alvarez can't finish John Ryder via KO so he needs to rely on the UD.

It's obvious that he gonna win the fight after that knockout and also clearly in the rounds Canelo dominates the fight, he was fast and threw heavy punches that made Ryder act like anyone who was in a confused state when facing a stronger and more high-level opponent. Canelo fulfilled his promise to give his countrymen the fight they really wanted to watch and I think Guadalajara, Mexico people will not gonna ask for more since their man has won and maybe his next fight will gonna be in the US again where real contender can't wait to fight him.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on May 08, 2023, 01:52:04 AM

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Yeap, imho Ryder showed more heart in this fight than Canelo. We saw usual Canelo, everything was expected from him. Ryder did a really great fight. A lot of people did not trust in him, he was a huge underdog and many predicted early stoppage. However the fight went full distance. Even despite huge dominance on score cards, I liked how Ryder showed himself in that fight. Ryder even managed to take few rounds.

I just wander what Canelo is going to do next. Another victory among middleweights. Another predicted victory. Are there any fighters left who havent lost to Canelo? I see only one way for Canelo - to try again to fight in light heavyweight.

I expected a knockout win for Canelo to somehow impress his fans after his loss to Bivol but that didn't happen because like you said, Ryder showed up into the fight prepared for whatever Canelo brings into the table but just wasn't enough to get that win as we all know that in order for Ryder to win he must dominate or KO the Mexican.

For me, Canelo should fight Benavidez first and if he wins, he can do a rematch with Bivol and enough with those tune-up fights that everyone knows whose gonna win.

Ryder said that he broke his noise during this fight, first time that it did happen to him, but he was really a tough mofo, and just decided not to get knockout. If that is other boxers, they could have taken a dive and Canelo winning and fans very happy with that result. But not Ryder, shows resiliency and make the fight very competitive at least in his part.

I do agree that it's better to g for Benavidez to defend his belt again. One thing that Ryder said though that Canelo is starting to decline at this point. And this is what the majority saw in this fight. So it's going to be interesting if he chooses David next as Benavidez is younger.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 08, 2023, 01:42:56 AM

Yeap, imho Ryder showed more heart in this fight than Canelo. We saw usual Canelo, everything was expected from him. Ryder did a really great fight. A lot of people did not trust in him, he was a huge underdog and many predicted early stoppage. However the fight went full distance. Even despite huge dominance on score cards, I liked how Ryder showed himself in that fight. Ryder even managed to take few rounds.

I just wander what Canelo is going to do next. Another victory among middleweights. Another predicted victory. Are there any fighters left who havent lost to Canelo? I see only one way for Canelo - to try again to fight in light heavyweight.

I expected a knockout win for Canelo to somehow impress his fans after his loss to Bivol but that didn't happen because like you said, Ryder showed up into the fight prepared for whatever Canelo brings into the table but just wasn't enough to get that win as we all know that in order for Ryder to win he must dominate or KO the Mexican.

For me, Canelo should fight Benavidez first and if he wins, he can do a rematch with Bivol and enough with those tune-up fights that everyone knows whose gonna win.

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Yeap, imho Ryder showed more heart in this fight than Canelo. We saw usual Canelo, everything was expected from him. Ryder did a really great fight. A lot of people did not trust in him, he was a huge underdog and many predicted early stoppage. However the fight went full distance. Even despite huge dominance on score cards, I liked how Ryder showed himself in that fight. Ryder even managed to take few rounds.

I just wander what Canelo is going to do next. Another victory among middleweights. Another predicted victory. Are there any fighters left who havent lost to Canelo? I see only one way for Canelo - to try again to fight in light heavyweight.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on May 07, 2023, 03:31:36 PM

As expected, Canelo will dominate the fight although John Ryder also earn my respect. He fought toe to toe against Canelo. I thought the fight were finished when John Ryder goes down on the round 5 but Ryder is able to stand up and survive the fight till the last round. I can say John Ryder is one tough fighter, despite of the broken nose in the early round, he managed to survive until the end. I thought that knockdown will be followed by several one but at the end Alvarez can't finish John Ryder via KO so he needs to rely on the UD.

Everyone gets nothing but a huge respect for Ryder. Even the Mexican fans, the crowd showed a huge respect for him. Everyone knows that Canelo will have a higher chance to win prior to the fight night, but he was not able to fulfill his promise to his home crowd because Ryder is one tough fighter. Everyone really thought the match was about to end after the huge knock down in the 5th round, but Ryder was too smart to take time to recover as he was also checking on his corner. A handful of times Ryder got rocked by Canelo's right hand, but was able to fight back like it didn't hurt him. Well, it takes a lot of heart and courage to fight with a broken nose and a tough opponent.
I'm pretty sure Canelo must have shook his head at Ryder's toughness and willingness to finish the 12 round after those punishing powerful punches lol.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 07, 2023, 08:11:36 AM

For me, I don't think that the performance of Canelo is enough to beat Bivol at this point. Bivol is a volume puncher and very accurate, so even if Canelo wanted to be the aggressor, Bivol can counter him all night just like the first fight.

It was not a knock out victory, everyone wanted to see if he can do it, but as you have said, maybe he is affected psychologically with that injured hand of his that's why he can't throw it the way he used to be. So both Benavidez and Bivol might beat the version of Canelo that this show against Ryder, just saying.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I think Canelo needs 1 more fight to gain confidence with that left hand of his. But first, he should watch his own tape in this Ryder fight because he only used it for the jabs and not for the haymaker hook or uppercut. Consider it if that is enough to fight against Bivol again.
I bet his camp will say the same thing as we think, he ain't ready yet or he won't be if he doesn't overcome the mentality of his left hand being injured again.
Also, Ryder was not using jabs so that's going to be a problem when he faces Bivol because it will be raining with jabs and I am sure Canelo will have a hard time defending it.
I think he put his career on the line to push himself to his limits but it ain't enough, it's not that dominant which was expected by the fans and Ryder was still standing when the 12 rounds were done.

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As expected, Canelo will dominate the fight although John Ryder also earn my respect. He fought toe to toe against Canelo. I thought the fight were finished when John Ryder goes down on the round 5 but Ryder is able to stand up and survive the fight till the last round. I can say John Ryder is one tough fighter, despite of the broken nose in the early round, he managed to survive until the end. I thought that knockdown will be followed by several one but at the end Alvarez can't finish John Ryder via KO so he needs to rely on the UD.

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Quote from: South Park on May 07, 2023, 01:44:29 PM

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I agree with most of the observations here, Canelo, although it was a lopsided victory based on the scorecards, there's something in Canelo, he is a little big small and his punch doesn't have the same pop as before.

And even though it was a dominant win, he took damages as well. Ryder took the best punch of Canelo, he was bloodied, but he was able to stand so Ryder earned my respect in this fight. We thought that it will be easy for Canelo, but it wasn't, Ryder was still throwing punches, body shot til the 12 round.

I will admit I was surprised by the performance of Ryder, he was already in bad shape during the 3rd and 4th rounds and still he was able to resist all the rest of the rounds and finish the fight despite being significantly injured, however I also agree that there seems to be something wrong with Canelo, it is difficult to describe but he seems to lack the same kind of explosive punch which could KO a boxer on the spot, which is why he decided to keep punishing Ryder until he gave up, a thing that never happened.

Well, that is the reason why this fight has been made in the first place so that Canelo Alvarez and everyone inside his camp including Eddie Hearn knows the exact situation of Canelo's power because after the surgery, they certainly know that it will have some serious setbacks or some effect to the user, but they need how certain it is, which by now, I think they already found the answer.

But I don't think he needed another tune-up fight because what happened in general is still positive, but people are surely confused about what happened in the fight because Canelo lacks something to close the whole fight before it ends into the judge's hands.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 07, 2023, 08:44:09 AM

I agree with most of the observations here, Canelo, although it was a lopsided victory based on the scorecards, there's something in Canelo, he is a little big small and his punch doesn't have the same pop as before.

And even though it was a dominant win, he took damages as well. Ryder took the best punch of Canelo, he was bloodied, but he was able to stand so Ryder earned my respect in this fight. We thought that it will be easy for Canelo, but it wasn't, Ryder was still throwing punches, body shot til the 12 round.

I will admit I was surprised by the performance of Ryder, he was already in bad shape during the 3rd and 4th rounds and still he was able to resist all the rest of the rounds and finish the fight despite being significantly injured, however I also agree that there seems to be something wrong with Canelo, it is difficult to describe but he seems to lack the same kind of explosive punch which could KO a boxer on the spot, which is why he decided to keep punishing Ryder until he gave up, a thing that never happened.

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As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

It was a dominant performance but I think a younger Canelo could've gotten the knockout. Canelo is not that old but he's been around a long time and is showing some signs of decline. I would not favor him to beat either Bivol or Benavidez.

Yes, Canelo started very young in his career, and as we can see, there could have been wear and tear already, with that hand injury of him could be the start although he is still very young.

And this fight is supposed to be a tune up fight for him and that's what it was. Although many figured he could win by a knockout by a game Ryder trying his best to stay at his feet and finished the fight with him.

A rematch at 175 lbs should happen next against Bivol. But if his version shows against Dmirty, it might be the same result a dominating win by him.

And this might be the start of Canelo's declination of his career because the way I see it there are only two things.

1. It's either Canelo is not that explosive because of his wrist injury that hinted some lack of power which is why he cannot close the fight with a KO after what happened in Round 5 or
2. it's just that John Ryder is resistant enough and could eat strong punches.

Either way, I'm not that convinced that Canelo can defeat Bivol this time or if he's going to face Benavidez, it might be risky for him knowing that Benavidez is much younger and also pack a lot of power. I know that Benavidez doesn't have good boxers on his record that is somehow on-par with Canelo but there is always a first time for everything.

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Sometimes cherry-picked fighters turn out to be tougher than top fighters and Ryder is one example of this fighter, Canelo has been knocking out champions and top contenders but he cannot knock Ryder out even in front of his fellowman.
He puts out a big fight better than Plant or Smith, Canelo is still good but Ryder has a tough stance and Canelo doesn't want to be a victim of upset in front of his home crowd so he is also cautious on his offense.

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I agree with most of the observations here, Canelo, although it was a lopsided victory based on the scorecards, there's something in Canelo, he is a little big small and his punch doesn't have the same pop as before.

And even though it was a dominant win, he took damages as well. Ryder took the best punch of Canelo, he was bloodied, but he was able to stand so Ryder earned my respect in this fight. We thought that it will be easy for Canelo, but it wasn't, Ryder was still throwing punches, body shot til the 12 round.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 07, 2023, 01:40:39 AM

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As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

A big recognition of the heart of John Ryder too. Damn, that man is surely adamant, he refuses to go down even though he was battered hard. He was bloody, he got punched so hard that he got dizzy, and he might even have a hard time to breath because of the blood dipping in his nose but he still fought until the end. All the respect to him. Big heart for the sport. Not for the money, he wants to win so badly.

Canelo Alvarez. He is good, the right hooks are connecting, the jabs are on point, and he took advantage of Ryder not trying to do jabs too. I think he is still affected mentally by his left hand injury but he is getting there. The title will remain in his possession but the big question will come out in the next few days. Is that performance enough to win against Dmitry Bivol?

For me, I don't think that the performance of Canelo is enough to beat Bivol at this point. Bivol is a volume puncher and very accurate, so even if Canelo wanted to be the aggressor, Bivol can counter him all night just like the first fight.

It was not a knock out victory, everyone wanted to see if he can do it, but as you have said, maybe he is affected psychologically with that injured hand of his that's why he can't throw it the way he used to be. So both Benavidez and Bivol might beat the version of Canelo that this show against Ryder, just saying.

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Quote from: coin-investor on May 07, 2023, 04:05:19 AM

Not the kind of performance that we want to see on Canelo, but the kind of result that we expect from the fight not really impressive a win is still a win and we can't take that away from Canelo if he is going to fight Benavidez in his next fight I'll go for Benavidez if this is the best that he can show in the ring.
If he opted to fight Bivol I don't see a different result either I guess after the result of this fight it will be questionable if he can maintain his pound-for-pound status, let's see if he'll go for any of the two but he should because these two are the two boxers that stand in his way for greatness.

I thought that he has plans to rematch Bivol. In any case, a Benavidez fight is also good, another Mexican, but this time, it's young and big and has the power. Hopefully Canelo won't go under the excuse that he doesn't want to fight another Mexican. And fight Bivol at 175 lbs because as he have said, his critics are going to tell that Canelo drain Bivol at 168 lbs if he insist on fighting Bivol on that weight.

As for Ryder, he did try his best, but he might have exposed Canelo now as he was able to stand the onslaught and power and stay upright till the last bell. I think he can still maintain his pound for pound listing, but it depends on the performance of Inoue next. If Naoya beat Fulton with knockout and devastating power then he will surely be the top pound for pound now.

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Not the kind of performance that we want to see on Canelo, but the kind of result that we expect from the fight not really impressive a win is still a win and we can't take that away from Canelo if he is going to fight Benavidez in his next fight I'll go for Benavidez if this is the best that he can show in the ring.
If he opted to fight Bivol I don't see a different result either I guess after the result of this fight it will be questionable if he can maintain his pound-for-pound status, let's see if he'll go for any of the two but he should because these two are the two boxers that stand in his way for greatness.

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A clear domination by Canelo, Ryder down in the round five, but at least he can survive until the last round. People who are bet Canelo to win via decision should get a decent profit. However after he lost against Bivol, it seems like Canelo isn't really strong anymore, he not even KO'ed Ryder. I think the next match for Canelo is David Benavidez, Benavidez is stronger than Ryder and Plant, he also an undefeated boxer, this will be a good fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 07, 2023, 12:36:21 AM

Quote from: robelneo on May 06, 2023, 11:23:50 PM

As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

It was a dominant performance but I think a younger Canelo could've gotten the knockout. Canelo is not that old but he's been around a long time and is showing some signs of decline. I would not favor him to beat either Bivol or Benavidez.

Yes, Canelo started very young in his career, and as we can see, there could have been wear and tear already, with that hand injury of him could be the start although he is still very young.

And this fight is supposed to be a tune up fight for him and that's what it was. Although many figured he could win by a knockout by a game Ryder trying his best to stay at his feet and finished the fight with him.

A rematch at 175 lbs should happen next against Bivol. But if his version shows against Dmirty, it might be the same result a dominating win by him.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 06, 2023, 11:23:50 PM

As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

A big recognition of the heart of John Ryder too. Damn, that man is surely adamant, he refuses to go down even though he was battered hard. He was bloody, he got punched so hard that he got dizzy, and he might even have a hard time to breath because of the blood dipping in his nose but he still fought until the end. All the respect to him. Big heart for the sport. Not for the money, he wants to win so badly.

Canelo Alvarez. He is good, the right hooks are connecting, the jabs are on point, and he took advantage of Ryder not trying to do jabs too. I think he is still affected mentally by his left hand injury but he is getting there. The title will remain in his possession but the big question will come out in the next few days. Is that performance enough to win against Dmitry Bivol?

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