[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico - page 2.

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Quote from: robelneo on May 07, 2023, 12:23:50 AM

As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

It was a dominant performance but I think a younger Canelo could've gotten the knockout. Canelo is not that old but he's been around a long time and is showing some signs of decline. I would not favor him to beat either Bivol or Benavidez.

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As expected Canelo wins convincingly but not by a knockout but by a unanimous decision Ryder proves to be a very tough customer, he came to fight not just to collect a paycheck, Canelo shows brilliancy but each time he has an opportunity to knock out Ryder, John Ryder shows excellent defense.
After this win, he has no option but to fight Benavidez or avenge his loss against Bivol he cannot have another kind of cherry-picked fight and ends up like this.

Canelo is still good in his defense and offense but it should be tested by tough fighters.

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Quote from: Silberman on May 06, 2023, 03:50:23 PM

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I want to see if Ryder can last 12 rounds with Canelo.

I think we will see a very motivated Canelo tomorrow and a KO in the middle rounds.

VIVA Canelo!

Canelo is going to fight in front of his people, so it is obvious that he is going to want to give a great performance for them and will definitely try to go for the KO, if under those circumstances Ryder can go the whole distance then that will be an achievement for him, however if this is done by sacrificing any chance of attacking and counterattacking and he is just there standing and becomes a human punching bag then my evaluation of him will still be in the low side.

The burden is on Canelo to prove to his own people that he is still great and he can deliver a demolition job like he did in the past, people expect a lot from Canelo he is still the champion and he is still preparing for coming big fights and to attract more attention from the boxing community he needs to look impressive on this fight.
John Ryder can be considered cherry-picked if you look at the standard of fighters Canelo fought but he is capable of pulling an upset, we never know until they are both on the ring.

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Quote from: MiliMil on May 06, 2023, 07:31:48 AM

I want to see if Ryder can last 12 rounds with Canelo.

I think we will see a very motivated Canelo tomorrow and a KO in the middle rounds.

VIVA Canelo!

Canelo is going to fight in front of his people, so it is obvious that he is going to want to give a great performance for them and will definitely try to go for the KO, if under those circumstances Ryder can go the whole distance then that will be an achievement for him, however if this is done by sacrificing any chance of attacking and counterattacking and he is just there standing and becomes a human punching bag then my evaluation of him will still be in the low side.

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Quote from: MiliMil on May 06, 2023, 07:31:48 AM

I want to see if Ryder can last 12 rounds with Canelo.

I think we will see a very motivated Canelo tomorrow and a KO in the middle rounds.

VIVA Canelo!

Yeah, that's the best effort that we could see for Ryder, at least last the whole 12 rounds. We haven't seen anyone except Golovkin and Bivol lasted that long against Alvarez.

So if by chance Ryder is really tough as what the papers describe him and not just another British boxer that easily fall, then it's a good accomplished and we can say that it's a "victory" for him. Otherwise, he could be KO in the middle rounds and give the fans what they wanted to see and pay.

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I want to see if Ryder can last 12 rounds with Canelo.

I think we will see a very motivated Canelo tomorrow and a KO in the middle rounds.

VIVA Canelo!

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 05, 2023, 03:32:38 PM

There's no need to argue about this mate because whatever you guys will label John Ryder's situation, he's just here to be a tune-up fight for Canelo, nothing more. Eddie Hearn is surely not that dumb to put Canelo in a tough and difficult situation where he need to defend his belt purposely because they are not that sure enough if Canelo's wrist is already 100% fine, hence why this bout is made.

In Ryder's situation, he got nothing to lose here and it's up to him how will he perform this fight because there's no stopping him from upsetting the undisputed champion but the question is, does he have the skill to defeat Canelo Alvarez? Or will he just be that unknown boxer that will remain unknown at the end of the day?

This fight is a parameter to see if Canelo is ready to fight Benavidez or Bivol two of the fighters that can dominate Canelo although Bivol has done it already, even if he wins against Golovkin dominantly people are still in doubt if he can handle Benavidez a real bully in the ring and Bivol the only boxer that has broken his defense and offense.

I agree Ryder has nothing to lose but everything to gain here, people are taking him for granted so if Ruder upset Canelo it will be one of the biggest upsets, just hurting Canelo is enough or going to the distance, because we expect Canelo to go all out here to silence the doubters.

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Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

But interim title is just a secondary title, not really the real one. Also, Ryder haven't fought many good boxers which had a similar level like Canelo Alvarez.

John Ryder is a good boxer and he's better than many boxers in his weight, if I fight with him, obviously he can easily win via KO. But Canelo is different and he's way better than Ryder, he lost to Mayweather is understandable due to politic reason and he lost to Bivol is really deserved since Bivol clearly dominating almost all the rounds.

In my view, Ryder don't have a politic power like Mayweather and not as strong as Bivol, it's why Ryder is a huge underdog.

Look, you have proved my words. "Ryder is better than many others" - that is why he has that "secondary title". If he was really a cherry picked opponent, he would not have got that secondary title at all, he would be "just another boxer". However...

Ryder isnt like Mayweather, Bivol, GGG and etc. But he isnt a no name. What I am trying to say that it wont be a beating, one sided fight or he is not a punching bag that Canelo has chosen to fight against in him come country. Ryder is good.

There's no need to argue about this mate because whatever you guys will label John Ryder's situation, he's just here to be a tune-up fight for Canelo, nothing more. Eddie Hearn is surely not that dumb to put Canelo in a tough and difficult situation where he need to defend his belt purposely because they are not that sure enough if Canelo's wrist is already 100% fine, hence why this bout is made.

In Ryder's situation, he got nothing to lose here and it's up to him how will he perform this fight because there's no stopping him from upsetting the undisputed champion but the question is, does he have the skill to defeat Canelo Alvarez? Or will he just be that unknown boxer that will remain unknown at the end of the day?

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on May 04, 2023, 05:11:44 AM

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Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

But interim title is just a secondary title, not really the real one. Also, Ryder haven't fought many good boxers which had a similar level like Canelo Alvarez.

John Ryder is a good boxer and he's better than many boxers in his weight, if I fight with him, obviously he can easily win via KO. But Canelo is different and he's way better than Ryder, he lost to Mayweather is understandable due to politic reason and he lost to Bivol is really deserved since Bivol clearly dominating almost all the rounds.

In my view, Ryder don't have a politic power like Mayweather and not as strong as Bivol, it's why Ryder is a huge underdog.

Look, you have proved my words. "Ryder is better than many others" - that is why he has that "secondary title". If he was really a cherry picked opponent, he would not have got that secondary title at all, he would be "just another boxer". However...

Ryder isnt like Mayweather, Bivol, GGG and etc. But he isnt a no name. What I am trying to say that it wont be a beating, one sided fight or he is not a punching bag that Canelo has chosen to fight against in him come country. Ryder is good.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2023, 03:51:49 AM

Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

I guess, that's one thing we should look forward to rather than expecting a one-sided fight throughout the night just because of the term "tune-up fight".

I, for one, particularly believe that Ryder will show what he is made of because this is a big opportunity for him to prove his existence in-front of the public but if ever he will get out defeated, I guess this bout will be his last as he already hinted a retirement just a while ago.

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This pic was from the press conference yesterday.

What do you think guys, Canelo clearly looks the smaller guy. Maybe Ryder can win this, bigger stature, longer reach?

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2023, 03:51:49 AM

Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

But interim title is just a secondary title, not really the real one. Also, Ryder haven't fought many good boxers which had a similar level like Canelo Alvarez.

John Ryder is a good boxer and he's better than many boxers in his weight, if I fight with him, obviously he can easily win via KO. But Canelo is different and he's way better than Ryder, he lost to Mayweather is understandable due to politic reason and he lost to Bivol is really deserved since Bivol clearly dominating almost all the rounds.

In my view, Ryder don't have a politic power like Mayweather and not as strong as Bivol, it's why Ryder is a huge underdog.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2023, 03:51:49 AM

Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

Well yeah you've got some point. Here's a big HOWEVER, Canelo has never knocked down in his entire pro career, yeah Jose Cotto almost got him in 2010 if not with the ropes, Canelo would've kissed the canvass, but after that Canelo has became a tougher fighter. Now, I don't know how Ryder will going to win this fight? I mean he's got 32 W and 18 are those was a KO, that isn't really a bad ratio, but that clearly indicates he's not really that dangerous KO artist. So, the fight will be held in Mexico, with a close fight he's not going to win the decision either.
Also, let's see if Canelo is really washed lol. He's not old yet though.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 04, 2023, 03:51:49 AM

Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

And if I'm not mistaken, he had earn that interim belt beating some opponents along the way. So for Ryder fans, it might be enough to hear that he is the WBA interim and maybe has the right to face Canelo Alvarez.

But looking at the odds, bookies are giving him a small chance to win. It might be good for him in the long run if he continues to box as he will get the experienced in fighting one of the best in this generation. I agree, in the Lara fight (in which Lara is a southpaw, Canelo had difficult times and others said that Erislandy beat him in that fight).

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Just a few words to cheer up Ryder fans - he is an interim WBA champ. Not a Nr1 contender, but a champ. You dont get that belt just for having beautiful eyes. These 5 losses in his record. People say that it is a lot. But have you seen these losses? What if they were in close fights? Ryder has wins over strong opponents also. Dont judge him only by losses. He is a southpaw and technitian boxer. Southpaws were never easy opponents for Canelo. And we gonna see spam of punches from both sides.

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I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

Discourage or be motivated even more to prove to everyone that he is not a pushover but that's a hard thing to do, I mean beating a boxing superstar in this stage of John Ryder's career is a very hard thing to accomplish.

Odds in the bookies is exaggerated but that is how they profit as they don't want people betting on the favorites would win easy money because in boxing seldom we can see an upset not like in basketball where almost every day there are upsets.

Yes, you're right. John Ryder is not that young anymore to expect that he still have a good chance to upset the undisputed champion and reign the division that was once dominated by Canelo because in reality, unfortunately, his chances are just slim. In-fact, Ryder is 3 years older than Canelo and will become 35 years old this coming July which is already a phase where most of the boxers are starting to consider their retirement.

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This is getting exciting, hope that there will be live coverage come fight night (of course for free).

Let's be positive about that as there might be some free live coverage on the day of their fight.

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I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

Discourage or be motivated even more to prove to everyone that he is not a pushover but that's a hard thing to do, I mean beating a boxing superstar in this stage of John Ryder's career is a very hard thing to accomplish.

Odds in the bookies is exaggerated but that is how they profit as they don't want people betting on the favorites would win easy money because in boxing seldom we can see an upset not like in basketball where almost every day there are upsets.

This is getting exciting, hope that there will be live coverage come fight night (of course for free).

Yeah, as majority is saying, John Ryder is a mismatch against Canelo, his record though looks good in paper, but it doesn't mean that he can can go and fight and then upset Canelo at any version of Alvarez.

The only thing that bettors hope is that he can pull a upset, they might not be a Canelo hater or something, but gamblers are looking for good odds and then take the risk with even small amounts and then watch the fight.

Right, it is a mismatch ever since this fight has been made because this is just a tune-up fight for Canelo Alvarez and Ryder will just be a human measurement device to test Canelo's wrist whether if it is still needed some rest or if it's already good to go to fight another heavy name in the industry namely his rematch with Bivol. Either way, I cannot see John Ryder winning this fight, just like what the odds suggests.

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I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

Discourage or be motivated even more to prove to everyone that he is not a pushover but that's a hard thing to do, I mean beating a boxing superstar in this stage of John Ryder's career is a very hard thing to accomplish.

Odds in the bookies is exaggerated but that is how they profit as they don't want people betting on the favorites would win easy money because in boxing seldom we can see an upset not like in basketball where almost every day there are upsets.

This is getting exciting, hope that there will be live coverage come fight night (of course for free).

Yeah, as majority is saying, John Ryder is a mismatch against Canelo, his record though looks good in paper, but it doesn't mean that he can can go and fight and then upset Canelo at any version of Alvarez.

The only thing that bettors hope is that he can pull a upset, they might not be a Canelo hater or something, but gamblers are looking for good odds and then take the risk with even small amounts and then watch the fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 02, 2023, 03:42:18 PM

Quote from: Slow death on May 02, 2023, 01:04:48 PM

I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

Discourage or be motivated even more to prove to everyone that he is not a pushover but that's a hard thing to do, I mean beating a boxing superstar in this stage of John Ryder's career is a very hard thing to accomplish.

Odds in the bookies is exaggerated but that is how they profit as they don't want people betting on the favorites would win easy money because in boxing seldom we can see an upset not like in basketball where almost every day there are upsets.

This is getting exciting, hope that there will be live coverage come fight night (of course for free).

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Quote from: Slow death on May 02, 2023, 01:04:48 PM

I believe that even John Ryder, when he sees this odd, convinces himself that he has no chance of winning in this fight, with many people putting a lot of pressure on him, he can lose concentration, I heard that Canelo hasn't fought in Mexico since 2011 and Ryder is coming for this fight with some optimism because he had good results in the fights before this one, but this odds value is not good for ryder, being left-handed he can have punch angles that are very difficult for a fighter to defend himself, but Canelo Alvarez has the advantage of having good finishing skills, he has good speed

Surely being listed as a 8:1 heavy underdog will discourage your existence in the fight because how can you oppose those listed odds and make something out of it positively if the people and even the bookies are already seeing you as a boxer who has been defeated already even before the fight starts. But it depends on how will John Ryder view his situation and I believe this will be his reason to strive more and that he can still prove himself, instead of losing faith towards the fight.

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