[Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico - page 7.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 14, 2023, 04:54:16 PM

Fighting on "Cinco De Mayo" has been a tradition now

Cinco de Mayo is May 5th. Not 6th. Tradition broken. Undecided

Not going to add a poll, OP?

Regardless, I would say that Canelo Alvarez is going to be the favorite here. Especially if you look at all the losses under John Ryders belt, 32 wins and 5 losses compared to Alvarez's 58 wins and only 2 losses. Although Alvarez has been showing weakness, especially against the opponents in his recent fights. His Dmitry Bivol match did not go so well and Canelo's hand surgery is making me feel a bit uneasy.

Still, John is the obvious underdog here and my money is not on him.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2023, 08:15:16 AM

I don't see how John Ryder would possibly upset Canelo. I'm interested at how the Ryder team would set a game plan that would deal Canelo an unexpected loss. Although this is a huge opportunity for their fighter, they will surely be challenged at the odds in front of them. They've got nothing to lose, yeah, but winning is just too big to simply disregard.

So far, the odds I've seen has Canelo at -1450 and John at +770. That's practically saying John doesn't stand a chance. To be honest, I'm seeing a KO victory for Canelo, but I'd be happy if John would give everybody a shock.

All great fighters in the past and the present and even in the future will have fights like this where people will consider it as a tune fight or a cherry-picked fight, some great fighters overcome this easily while others fall to this via upset, the prominent in the heavyweight is Tyson, Joshua and even Ali, it's part of being a great and exceptional fighter.
You get low-level fighters because it was ordered or because of circumstances like upsetting your would-be opponent or a last-minute replacement, it's a test for great fighters on how they treat low-level fighters and fighters that are equal to their skill and strength.

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Quote from: Darker45 on March 17, 2023, 08:15:16 AM

I don't see how John Ryder would possibly upset Canelo. I'm interested at how the Ryder team would set a game plan that would deal Canelo an unexpected loss. Although this is a huge opportunity for their fighter, they will surely be challenged at the odds in front of them. They've got nothing to lose, yeah, but winning is just too big to simply disregard.

So far, the odds I've seen has Canelo at -1450 and John at +770. That's practically saying John doesn't stand a chance. To be honest, I'm seeing a KO victory for Canelo, but I'd be happy if John would give everybody a shock.

As some would say, this is a tune-up fight so somehow, it is already expected that Canelo's foe won't be that strong to try and get his belts.

It might be sad to say but John Ryder's sole reason why he is picked for this specific fight is to keep Canelo warmed up before fighting Bivol in their possible rematch and not to challenge Canelo or be an acid test if he can still dance on the ring. John Ryder's record is enough to consider that he's not that good.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 16, 2023, 06:59:03 PM

The moment this was announced, lots of boxing critics on social media said that it was a clear cherry-picking for Canelo.

What do you think guys? Who should be Canelo fighting instead of John Ryder?

I think the rematch with Bivol does have prerequisites and it's something that can be materialized that easily. Moving forward though, this was all set and Canelo should be considered as HEAVY favorite, not just a simple favorite.

Of course, it's a cherry-picked fight because Canelo just got his wrist fixed as he underwent a surgery just recently. His camp needs to make sure that he is ready as well as his wrist before fighting with the likes of Bivol or the winner of Benavidez-Plant fight, Ryder has been picked because aside from that fact that he is an interim champion of one of Canelo's belt, Ryder is not on par with Canelo Alvarez's prowess.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 16, 2023, 06:59:03 PM

The moment this was announced, lots of boxing critics on social media said that it was a clear cherry-picking for Canelo.
What do you think guys? Who should be Canelo fighting instead of John Ryder?

I think is really hard for him to take a second fight against Bivol since it was not been that long since they fought and to have another tune-up fight after he fought with GGG is a good move if he wanted to take on Bivol next.

It will be an easy fight for him and he chooses John Ryder because he will fight in his country and he wants to show off to his people and wanted to give them the best fight they can expect from him without putting huge risks on his titles.

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I don't see how John Ryder would possibly upset Canelo. I'm interested at how the Ryder team would set a game plan that would deal Canelo an unexpected loss. Although this is a huge opportunity for their fighter, they will surely be challenged at the odds in front of them. They've got nothing to lose, yeah, but winning is just too big to simply disregard.

So far, the odds I've seen has Canelo at -1450 and John at +770. That's practically saying John doesn't stand a chance. To be honest, I'm seeing a KO victory for Canelo, but I'd be happy if John would give everybody a shock.

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Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

Well, not really. It's just that we feel he's old enough because we keep on hearing his name and certainly that is also connected to a big fights in the past years and then that three fights against GGG really gave us an impression that their age is not that far but in reality, GGG was just way ahead compared Canelo.

That said, Canelo still have at least 5-7 years of his prime to reign as a champion and be viewed as a dangerous boxer in the industry. So, I guess that also means that we will still see some more fights of Canelo in the coming years considering that there's many boxer that is calling him and that will grow in numbers as he gets older.

Yes and he could really started very early but we only get a glimpse of Canelo when Oscar pitted him against Floyd Mayweather. And then we see how Canelo developed after that to become the next cash cow in boxing.

So there's a lot of time ahead of him, although he has hand injuries, and it could be broken again. But still he is still at the prime years and even says that he can fight 3 times a year.

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Quote from: goinmerry on March 16, 2023, 06:59:03 PM

The moment this was announced, lots of boxing critics on social media said that it was a clear cherry-picking for Canelo.

What do you think guys? Who should be Canelo fighting instead of John Ryder?

I think the rematch with Bivol does have prerequisites and it's something that can be materialized that easily. Moving forward though, this was all set and Canelo should be considered as HEAVY favorite, not just a simple favorite.

Yes, a rematch with Bivol should be next for Canelo, and everyone was caught off guard with Ryder although his name keeps popping up when you ask Hearn about what's next for Canelo.

It was cherry pick because Canelo is coming off from his hand injury. But it's going to be pity to see Ryder maybe getting knockout by Canelo in the late rounds. But the real winners here will be his fans as this will be in his country, Mexico.

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The moment this was announced, lots of boxing critics on social media said that it was a clear cherry-picking for Canelo.

What do you think guys? Who should be Canelo fighting instead of John Ryder?

I think the rematch with Bivol does have prerequisites and it's something that can be materialized that easily. Moving forward though, this was all set and Canelo should be considered as HEAVY favorite, not just a simple favorite.

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Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

Yeah, hehehe, we have been discussing his name on the other thread, it's just this makes it's official now that Canelo will have a 'tune-up' fight against Ryder. He needs to put his belt on the line here, and it's going to be a homecoming fight for Canelo in Mexico. For sure, the fans are still going to buy the tickets even if he is facing lesser known opposition.

Good payday for Ryder though, for the face-off, here is the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9y1vI6zuI

Fighting on "Cinco De Mayo" has been a tradition now for Canelo Alvarez and with him coming from hand surgery (which i'm not aware of), i think this is just the way to go, a tune-up fight for him in front of his hometown fans. I'm not expecting an upset here since we all know that Canelo is very serious in his training camp whoever it is that he will be facing.

I just hope that after this one, he will pursue his rematch with Bivol or a fight with Benavidez hehe.

He is the new Oscar, as I have remembered the Dela Hoya used to own this dates because of his Mexican Heritage.

But I can't remember if Oscar did fight in Mexico though, so this could be the difference and we are going to see how big Canelo is in his native country. I don't know how big Akron Stadium is, but for sure Canelo can fill that up.

As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

Akron Stadium can hold almost thrice as much people compared to the MGM Grand Arena where its capacity is only below 20,000 while Akron can do 48,000.

So seeing those figures, we can somehow say that it's indeed much bigger than any arena's in Las Vegas, Nevada like Allegiant or T-Mobile as it can cater more guests especially Canelo's own supporters and countrymen. And considering the population of boxing fans in Mexico, I think 48,000 seating capacity is just enough to be considered full because aside from Mexicans, there are other people as well across the globe who will be glad to watch Canelo live again.

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As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

We'll see if Ryder deserves it but I strongly believes that it's the other way around because Canelo is not yet done.

Nothing compared though when Julio Cezar Chavez fought at Estadio Azteca against Greg Haugen, a record 136,274 fans attended. And so for Canelo to fill that stadium in Mexico is already huge and yes, it will show his drawing power as he wanted to stage his fight in Mexico for many years. We don't know if we are going to believed him, but he says that he opted to fight in Mexico for lesser money and against Ryder.

For Ryder, he has been in a 3-4 fight winning streak and has been rated and has held the WBO interim super middleweight title in which Canelo is the regular champion. So we can justify that he indeed deserved a crack at Canelo. But definitely a huge underdog in this fight.

I don't think that is the case, they are just saying that because Canelo is now fighting an almost unknown name for which will give them less profits than what they are used to when Canelo is fighting in US soil and I haven't even knew that Ryder is the interim champ if I haven't searched his name and what are his recent fights. I don't know if this is the first but this is my first time seeing an interim champ being labeled as tune-up fight for the regular champion, that's just underestimating Ryder IMO.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on March 15, 2023, 09:15:00 PM

Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

Well, not really. It's just that we feel he's old enough because we keep on hearing his name and certainly that is also connected to a big fights in the past years and then that three fights against GGG really gave us an impression that their age is not that far but in reality, GGG was just way ahead compared Canelo.

That said, Canelo still have at least 5-7 years of his prime to reign as a champion and be viewed as a dangerous boxer in the industry. So, I guess that also means that we will still see some more fights of Canelo in the coming years considering that there's many boxer that is calling him and that will grow in numbers as he gets older.

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The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

His team knows how to pick the right fighter for a tune fight this is understandable because Canelo is coming from surgery and he may not be 100% to properly condition him he needs a low-level fighter like Ryder good for Canelo and Ryder but not good for the boxing community I think the odds at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez is far fetched guy is coming from good wins while Canelo from surgery, the guy still has a good chance, what a huge and record if Ryder can pull an upset who knows.

While I think the majority of us would like to see Canelo fighting a more challenging opponent, this is simply not possible, he is just recovering from a surgery and he needs to get back in boxing shape before he fights against a more challenging opponents, besides this was also a good opportunity for Canelo to bring a fight to his hometown, and it is obvious he was not going to bring anyone that could challenge him and risk losing at his home.

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Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

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The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

His team knows how to pick the right fighter for a tune fight this is understandable because Canelo is coming from surgery and he may not be 100% to properly condition him he needs a low-level fighter like Ryder good for Canelo and Ryder but not good for the boxing community I think the odds at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez is far fetched guy is coming from good wins while Canelo from surgery, the guy still has a good chance, what a huge and record if Ryder can pull an upset who knows.

But for sure this shouldn't be a disadvantage for Canelo. His management wouldn't want to end the career of their fighter for letting him fight in a bad condition. And I agree, Ryder could be more eager with this fight as it will give him a spotlight for future opportunities. I would still be betting with canelo this time simply because knowing him in the ring, he wouldn't allow things to just slip. John ryder is a good fighter as well especially with his previous fight but the stats itself could determine the winner of the fight even if anything could possibly happen in the ring. It is just experience to do its own thing with this one. Canelo is having an good run and that could be a drive for him to not let go of this.

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Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

Yeah, hehehe, we have been discussing his name on the other thread, it's just this makes it's official now that Canelo will have a 'tune-up' fight against Ryder. He needs to put his belt on the line here, and it's going to be a homecoming fight for Canelo in Mexico. For sure, the fans are still going to buy the tickets even if he is facing lesser known opposition.

Good payday for Ryder though, for the kick off press conference and face-off, here is the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9y1vI6zuI

Just a good payday though and nothing else more than that, I suppose.

And since Ryder doesn't have any good names on his record, that means his chances are actually slimmer even if he is just on par with Canelo in-terms of height and reach. But when it comes down to the IQ level and strengths, especially the KO ratio? Canelo is just on another level and I seriously don't think that he will slack on this one as he still wanted Bivol's head next.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 15, 2023, 04:32:17 PM

The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

His team knows how to pick the right fighter for a tune fight this is understandable because Canelo is coming from surgery and he may not be 100% to properly condition him he needs a low-level fighter like Ryder good for Canelo and Ryder but not good for the boxing community I think the odds at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez is far fetched guy is coming from good wins while Canelo from surgery, the guy still has a good chance, what a huge and record if Ryder can pull an upset who knows.

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Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

Yeah, hehehe, we have been discussing his name on the other thread, it's just this makes it's official now that Canelo will have a 'tune-up' fight against Ryder. He needs to put his belt on the line here, and it's going to be a homecoming fight for Canelo in Mexico. For sure, the fans are still going to buy the tickets even if he is facing lesser known opposition.

Good payday for Ryder though, for the face-off, here is the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9y1vI6zuI

Fighting on "Cinco De Mayo" has been a tradition now for Canelo Alvarez and with him coming from hand surgery (which i'm not aware of), i think this is just the way to go, a tune-up fight for him in front of his hometown fans. I'm not expecting an upset here since we all know that Canelo is very serious in his training camp whoever it is that he will be facing.

I just hope that after this one, he will pursue his rematch with Bivol or a fight with Benavidez hehe.

He is the new Oscar, as I have remembered the Dela Hoya used to own this dates because of his Mexican Heritage.

But I can't remember if Oscar did fight in Mexico though, so this could be the difference and we are going to see how big Canelo is in his native country. I don't know how big Akron Stadium is, but for sure Canelo can fill that up.

As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

Akron Stadium can hold almost thrice as much people compared to the MGM Grand Arena where its capacity is only below 20,000 while Akron can do 48,000.

So seeing those figures, we can somehow say that it's indeed much bigger than any arena's in Las Vegas, Nevada like Allegiant or T-Mobile as it can cater more guests especially Canelo's own supporters and countrymen. And considering the population of boxing fans in Mexico, I think 48,000 seating capacity is just enough to be considered full because aside from Mexicans, there are other people as well across the globe who will be glad to watch Canelo live again.

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As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

We'll see if Ryder deserves it but I strongly believes that it's the other way around because Canelo is not yet done.

Nothing compared though when Julio Cezar Chavez fought at Estadio Azteca against Greg Haugen, a record 136,274 fans attended. And so for Canelo to fill that stadium in Mexico is already huge and yes, it will show his drawing power as he wanted to stage his fight in Mexico for many years. We don't know if we are going to believed him, but he says that he opted to fight in Mexico for lesser money and against Ryder.

For Ryder, he has been in a 3-4 fight winning streak and has been rated and has held the WBO interim super middleweight title in which Canelo is the regular champion. So we can justify that he indeed deserved a crack at Canelo. But definitely a huge underdog in this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 15, 2023, 04:32:17 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 15, 2023, 10:05:28 AM

I wouldn't surprised if the odds for Canelo Alvarez is lower than 1.10x because John Ryder is really not a tough boxer, David Benavidez and Caleb Plant are better than him, Canelo Alvarez did beat Plant, so it's technically Canelo already beat Ryder.

Betting via winning methods or the rounds end will be more worthy rather than bet on draw no bet or moneyline option. Canelo win via KO or 9-12 rounds seems better to bet if the bookies have this option.

The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

Considering that facts, then @Jawhead999 might be right about the odds he posted above because most of the bookies will compare Ryder and Canelo when they fought Callum Smith. Ryder lost by a UD while the latter won via UD, so that makes some clarification about the disparity of their strengths.

And I would like to add that Canelo is still at the height of his career and prime, so I'm thinking that Ryder will just be a mere tune-up fight in Cinco de Mayo.

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Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.

Yeah, hehehe, we have been discussing his name on the other thread, it's just this makes it's official now that Canelo will have a 'tune-up' fight against Ryder. He needs to put his belt on the line here, and it's going to be a homecoming fight for Canelo in Mexico. For sure, the fans are still going to buy the tickets even if he is facing lesser known opposition.

Good payday for Ryder though, for the face-off, here is the video below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9y1vI6zuI

Fighting on "Cinco De Mayo" has been a tradition now for Canelo Alvarez and with him coming from hand surgery (which i'm not aware of), i think this is just the way to go, a tune-up fight for him in front of his hometown fans. I'm not expecting an upset here since we all know that Canelo is very serious in his training camp whoever it is that he will be facing.

I just hope that after this one, he will pursue his rematch with Bivol or a fight with Benavidez hehe.

He is the new Oscar, as I have remembered the Dela Hoya used to own this dates because of his Mexican Heritage.

But I can't remember if Oscar did fight in Mexico though, so this could be the difference and we are going to see how big Canelo is in his native country. I don't know how big Akron Stadium is, but for sure Canelo can fill that up.

As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

Akron Stadium can hold almost thrice as much people compared to the MGM Grand Arena where its capacity is only below 20,000 while Akron can do 48,000.

So seeing those figures, we can somehow say that it's indeed much bigger than any arena's in Las Vegas, Nevada like Allegiant or T-Mobile as it can cater more guests especially Canelo's own supporters and countrymen. And considering the population of boxing fans in Mexico, I think 48,000 seating capacity is just enough to be considered full because aside from Mexicans, there are other people as well across the globe who will be glad to watch Canelo live again.

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As for Ryder, well, we will see if he deserves this spot or just another tune up for Alvarez.

We'll see if Ryder deserves it but I strongly believes that it's the other way around because Canelo is not yet done.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 15, 2023, 10:05:28 AM

I wouldn't surprised if the odds for Canelo Alvarez is lower than 1.10x because John Ryder is really not a tough boxer, David Benavidez and Caleb Plant are better than him, Canelo Alvarez did beat Plant, so it's technically Canelo already beat Ryder.

Betting via winning methods or the rounds end will be more worthy rather than bet on draw no bet or moneyline option. Canelo win via KO or 9-12 rounds seems better to bet if the bookies have this option.

The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

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