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Topic: [Boxing] Canelo Alvarez vs John Ryder - May 6th in Mexico - page 6. (Read 1018 times)

legendary
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This is Canelo's best weight, and will be fighting in what could be the biggest live audience in the last 5-10 years because it's going to be held in Mexico. So just imagine the magnitude if he is going to lose this fight.

Not even thinking that the fight will end up in a big upset the same as what Bivol did during Canelo's peak. John Ryder isn't even close to the possibility of doing that. Although Ryder is currently in the top rankings and is eligible to be a contender, others viewed him as not capable and credible to be Canelo's opponent.

We should be supposed to see instead, Benavidez or Bivol facing Canelo but I think politics again ruined the deal.

Although, at some point in the future, we will surely expect to see these anticipated fights being materialized.
legendary
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

And here are the odds now, as per Stake:



As we all expected, Ryder is 8:1 underdog, and even David Benavidez says that this is just a tune up for Canelo. And with that, no value in betting for ML here on Canelo, but if you love the underdog Ryder, then it's already a very mouth watering odds, hehehe, but the risk is very high. This is Canelo's best weight, and will be fighting in what could be the biggest live audience in the last 5-10 years because it's going to be held in Mexico. So just imagine the magnitude if he is going to lose this fight. So he will do his best to maybe end this fight quickly. I reckon the line for the Over and Under will be 7.5 rounds, let's see how bookies are going to list it.
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Well. that is the strategy to preserve his career and make his worth in boxing industry higher than lots of legendary fighters out there.  I think Mayweather had foreseen that having unblemished records will rake him lots of money in the future.  Sadly when he fought Canelo, Canelo isn't ready to take him.  I also agree that if ever Canelo didn't take the fight and wait for 5 years to be on his prime, Mayweather would have done everything he can to duck the fight.

In the long run, Floyd Mayweather Jr. is indeed right in his vision because up until now even if he's already retired in pro-scene, he's still making and racking a huge amount of money with a guaranteed 7 to 8 figures per fight because he's still hot in the exhibition scene right now. It may not attract a lot of audience it terms of worldwide market but the fact is still the same, he's been always the Money Mayweather.

Anyway, back to the fight, is the odds available already? I'm thinking that this John Ryder will be 5:1 heavy underdog.
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Not that surprising because we have already heard this man's name even before Canelo Alvarez underwent to a much needed surgery because his wrist has been in pain since the Canelo-GGG III fight. I'm just glad that this fight is now a done deal because people are waiting for Canelo's return as he have a lot of boxer now queued to fight him afterwards, Canelo may put his belt on the line on this one but let's not forget that this is just a tune-up fight.
Yes, just a tune-up fight but I am still expecting to see a good fight here and would not be surprise if Canelo will definite give his opponent another crucial fight as seen with his devastating body punching. It’s certain that most people will root for Canelo to be the favorite here, but I just hope that John Ryder will also give justice to the fight as he is never an ordinary boxer too seeing his quite impressive boxing record.
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@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

More often than not it seems like the sanctioning bodies will mandate whichever fighter is handpicked by the champion's promoter. We saw this with Keith Thurman being named Errol Spence's mandatory even though he wasn't the most deserving fighter. Ryder doesn't deserve to fight for the undisputed title but he is with Matchroom, who is Canelo's preferred promoter, so the WBC will just go along with whatever is most beneficial for Eddie Hearn.

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Yeah, I will agree with your observation, it's now that this boxing promotion is under the promotions and network affiliations. Initially you will think that they have the control, mandating all this fight and what not. But if you look at it, like in this case, Ryder was hand pick because it's going to be an easy fight for Canelo. Matchroom and Hearn are looking for a boxer that will not be a threat to Canelo as he is coming back from his injuries and Ryder is a perfect fit for that. And the organization can justify that he is their number 1 seeding or whatever, or he is on a 4 fight winning streak. But we all know that Canelo can choice any fighter that he wants. And again, to put some reasons behind, Canelo said that he is not after the money, but wanted to fight in his native country, Mexico. So in any case, all in house money for Eddie Hearn and Canelo proving himself as cash cow if he can sell out one of the biggest venue in Mexico. You can't ask for a better set up that than.  Grin
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@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

More often than not it seems like the sanctioning bodies will mandate whichever fighter is handpicked by the champion's promoter. We saw this with Keith Thurman being named Errol Spence's mandatory even though he wasn't the most deserving fighter. Ryder doesn't deserve to fight for the undisputed title but he is with Matchroom, who is Canelo's preferred promoter, so the WBC will just go along with whatever is most beneficial for Eddie Hearn.
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We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.

Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.
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Well. that is the strategy to preserve his career and make his worth in boxing industry higher than lots of legendary fighters out there.  I think Mayweather had foreseen that having unblemished records will rake him lots of money in the future.  Sadly when he fought Canelo, Canelo isn't ready to take him.  I also agree that if ever Canelo didn't take the fight and wait for 5 years to be on his prime, Mayweather would have done everything he can to duck the fight.
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We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.
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Floyd was one of the best I've ever seen but he ducked a lot of fighters. I remember he ducked Margarito like the plague and admitted it.
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I guess we can say that Oscar Dela Hoya did really pitted the young Canelo who was still 23 years old at that time against the prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. just because Oscar believed that his cashcow will be the one who will stain Floyd's record. But that certain defeat indeed molded Canelo to be much a clever boxer inside the ring and did took the Philly Shell personally as he invented an intelligent way how to counter it afterwards because that was the reason why he lost most of the rounds.

I also believe that it was the only time that Canelo had his chance to fight Mayweather because if Canelo was already a heavy name at that time, the latter might've ducked him and we cannot witness that certain fight.
We know that Floyd cared a lot about his undefeated record so he would never get into the ring and fight unless he was completely sure he could get the win, I am sure that when Canelo was presented with the possibility of fighting Floyd he knew this as well, so if he decided to wait and develop, by the time he was ready he knew Floyd will duck him, so he took his chances, he lost but we can tell that he learned a lot from the fight and eventually this allowed him to dominate his division.
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

He is a $1.10 favourite on all Australian sportsbooks so assume it'll be the same with Crypto ones too.

I guess that is somehow expected that Canelo will be a heavy-favorite to all the bookies considering that John Ryder is not that kind of boxer who is viewed as a threat to Canelo's belts and undisputed title. Even the people who are an avid fans of the boxing industry are not that swayed about this Ryder even if he holds the WBO interim belt and that he can give an upset to the undisputed champion given that Canelo just got his wrist fixed recently.

Anyway, for those who are not familiar about John Ryder, you can see his record here.
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/545557
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.
crypto bookie odds:   Canelo Alvarez: 1.10          John Ryder: 7



Other sportsbooks: Canelo Alvarez: 1.071          John Ryder: 8

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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

He is a $1.10 favourite on all Australian sportsbooks so assume it'll be the same with Crypto ones too.
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Is anyone surprised Canelo is still only 32 years old? For some reason I thought he was older, having had so many big high profile fights over so many years.

It is interesting that Canelo vs Ryder is slated for mexico rather than las vegas, which has long been billed as the "fight capital of the world".

Will this become a trend where many professional athletes will try to hold events outside of the united states, for whatever reason.

Well, not really. It's just that we feel he's old enough because we keep on hearing his name and certainly that is also connected to a big fights in the past years and then that three fights against GGG really gave us an impression that their age is not that far but in reality, GGG was just way ahead compared Canelo.

That said, Canelo still have at least 5-7 years of his prime to reign as a champion and be viewed as a dangerous boxer in the industry. So, I guess that also means that we will still see some more fights of Canelo in the coming years considering that there's many boxer that is calling him and that will grow in numbers as he gets older.

Yes and he could really started very early but we only get a glimpse of Canelo when Oscar pitted him against Floyd Mayweather. And then we see how Canelo developed after that to become the next cash cow in boxing.

So there's a lot of time ahead of him, although he has hand injuries, and it could be broken again. But still he is still at the prime years and even says that he  can fight 3 times a year.

I guess we can say that Oscar Dela Hoya did really pitted the young Canelo who was still 23 years old at that time against the prime Floyd Mayweather Jr. just because Oscar believed that his cashcow will be the one who will stain Floyd's record. But that certain defeat indeed molded Canelo to be much a clever boxer inside the ring and did took the Philly Shell personally as he invented an intelligent way how to counter it afterwards because that was the reason why he lost most of the rounds.

I also believe that it was the only time that Canelo had his chance to fight Mayweather because if Canelo was already a heavy name at that time, the latter might've ducked him and we cannot witness that certain fight.
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

No odds yet for this fight from our crypto bookies, so maybe the handicappers are still trying to get the odds. But I reckon and as others speculation that Canelo will be the huge favorite here.

And it might be the first time after many fights though that Canelo opponents doesn't have any physical advantage against him. Ryder is not going to be taller than him and the reach are almost the fight. And we all know that Canelo are used to fighting tall boxers and then completely destroys them in about 10 rounds. So Ryder might not go to distance against him.

It will be another advantage for Canelo despite his previous injury. I agree that he'll be the favorite here no wonder because he always shows aggressiveness in the ring. His fast punches are also admirable despite facing taller and bigger opponents. Strength is really more important than the physical edge when it comes to the ring. Canelo only needs to make sure that his surgery will not affect the fight.
Without a doubt canelo alvarez will be the favorite here cause we all know how he perform in the ring how he knocking down his opponent and how he handle the fight. And also the aggressiveness of Canelo is his best weapon in any fight. But the sad part here is that canelo has an injury before and this will be the disadvantage for him because when he reach beyond the limits theirs a chance that the injury will occurs .
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

No odds yet for this fight from our crypto bookies, so maybe the handicappers are still trying to get the odds. But I reckon and as others speculation that Canelo will be the huge favorite here.

And it might be the first time after many fights though that Canelo opponents doesn't have any physical advantage against him. Ryder is not going to be taller than him and the reach are almost the fight. And we all know that Canelo are used to fighting tall boxers and then completely destroys them in about 10 rounds. So Ryder might not go to distance against him.

It will be another advantage for Canelo despite his previous injury. I agree that he'll be the favorite here no wonder because he always shows aggressiveness in the ring. His fast punches are also admirable despite facing taller and bigger opponents. Strength is really more important than the physical edge when it comes to the ring. Canelo only needs to make sure that his surgery will not affect the fight.

And that is the thing, we don't know if his hands are going to be fully healthy, or if he will suffer another injury as we all know that hands are very brittle and once it has history of injuries, it might come back to haunt him later in his career.

Most likely this is the same reason why they take Ryder, in paper it seems to be legit, as he is has earn his place against Canelo.

But we all know that Eddie Hearn has cherry pick another British fighter for Canelo to beat.
legendary
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@mirakal - yes we can look it that way, but maybe it's the fault of the governing body that they have a interim champion that we didn't know and probably it's because Canelo is the cash cow and wanted more name fighters and thinks that Ryder doesn't deserved it. But Canelo doesn't have a choice now, he is coming from an injury and this is the right time to give Ryder his chance, beat him and remove that interim title for him.

@goldkingcoiner - Cinco de Mayo is a big holiday celebrated by the Mexicans, and in boxing, it is usually a "fight week" for Mexicans like Oscar Dela Hoya and now Canelo Alvarez, but it doesn't mean that the date of the fight itself is exactly held in May 5th, just saying.
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

No odds yet for this fight from our crypto bookies, so maybe the handicappers are still trying to get the odds. But I reckon and as others speculation that Canelo will be the huge favorite here.

And it might be the first time after many fights though that Canelo opponents doesn't have any physical advantage against him. Ryder is not going to be taller than him and the reach are almost the fight. And we all know that Canelo are used to fighting tall boxers and then completely destroys them in about 10 rounds. So Ryder might not go to distance against him.

It will be another advantage for Canelo despite his previous injury. I agree that he'll be the favorite here no wonder because he always shows aggressiveness in the ring. His fast punches are also admirable despite facing taller and bigger opponents. Strength is really more important than the physical edge when it comes to the ring. Canelo only needs to make sure that his surgery will not affect the fight.
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.

No odds yet for this fight from our crypto bookies, so maybe the handicappers are still trying to get the odds. But I reckon and as others speculation that Canelo will be the huge favorite here.

And it might be the first time after many fights though that Canelo opponents doesn't have any physical advantage against him. Ryder is not going to be taller than him and the reach are almost the fight. And we all know that Canelo are used to fighting tall boxers and then completely destroys them in about 10 rounds. So Ryder might not go to distance against him.
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The notable win of John Ryder is against Daniel Jacobs, and maybe he caught Jacobs at the tail end of his career, and prior to that he lost to Callum Smith, in which Canelo beat already, and he doesn't have a good KO % as well.

And some bookies already listed him at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez.

Let's see what will be the other "good" betting options for this as obviously, Alvarez is going to be the overwhelming favorite.

His team knows how to pick the right fighter for a tune fight this is understandable because Canelo is coming from surgery and he may not be 100% to properly condition him he needs a low-level fighter like Ryder good for Canelo and Ryder but not good for the boxing community I think the odds at 12:1 underdog against Alvarez is far fetched guy is coming from good wins while Canelo from surgery, the guy still has a good chance, what a huge and record if Ryder can pull an upset who knows.
While I think the majority of us would like to see Canelo fighting a more challenging opponent, this is simply not possible, he is just recovering from a surgery and he needs to get back in boxing shape before he fights against a more challenging opponents, besides this was also a good opportunity for Canelo to bring a fight to his hometown, and it is obvious he was not going to bring anyone that could challenge him and risk losing at his home.

So this is a tune-up fight for Canelo, no wonder he is facing a much less popular boxer and not that heavy hitter.  Though I can tell that Ryder is a durable fighter since he only lost once via stoppage.  This fight might not be as exciting as Canelo's earlier fight but it is good to see Canelo fighting in the ring again after his surgery.  I thought it would take longer before he will dance in the ring again but surprisingly he got a match already.

This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

It might be a good fight but I think it isn't that exciting to watch due to the opponent's records of 5 losses where 1 of 4 is via stoppage. Grin.
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This should be a really good fight, I am expecting Canelo to win this though.

Has anybody seen any early fight odds, please post any crypto bookie odds here if and when you see them.
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