[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 17.

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News circulating is that Canelo Alvarez is not interested in a fight against the undefeated and former super-middleweight champion Zurdo Ramirez. Zurdo Ramirez is scheduled to challenge WBA light-heavyweight champion Dmitry Bivol in Abu Dhabi this coming November 5. It is known that Zurdo is one of the fighters that want a shot against superstar Canelo. Zurdo earlier mentioned that he should beat Bivol in order to get a shot at Canelo. We will see if Canelo is really truthful to his promise many years ago that he will never fight a Mexican-born fighter again.

Well, things would be different if Ramirez will win the fight against Bivol, because Canelo said, he won't fight his fellow Mexican and if Bivol losses he won't be as interested as today in having a rematch for him. So, I guess if Ramirez wins the fight, Canelo will have no choice but to fight him. And finally, we'll get to see how truthful Canelo to his words. He still hold onto those words until now though. However, Ramirez is determined to beat Bivol and fight Canelo on his latest statement.
Things are getting interesting between this 4 fighters.

Yes, that is his mindset, although if I'm not mistaken, he could have fought Mexicans, but this might be different as him and Ramirez might be tight.

In any case, he will surely look for Bivol after this fight, unless he lost against GGG in the 3rd fight then maybe there could be a 4th one who knows. Maybe Canelo will stay at his spot at 168 lbs or go to 175 lbs and fight the other champion, Beterviev, that will be another anticipated fight for him.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 31, 2022, 05:02:21 PM

Good mindset, so he will expect a different Canelo, and so his preparation might be different as compare to the last 2 fights. In any case what doesn't surprised me is if GGG is rob again, hehehe.

GGG is more experienced than Canelo. If Canelo should win it would be because Golovkin underestimated his ability. The odds are in Golovkin's favor because he wants it better than Canelo. I look forward to the match and would hate to see it end quickly with KO.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on August 31, 2022, 10:45:56 PM

News circulating is that Canelo Alvarez is not interested in a fight against the undefeated and former super-middleweight champion Zurdo Ramirez. Zurdo Ramirez is scheduled to challenge WBA light-heavyweight champion Dmitry Bivol in Abu Dhabi this coming November 5. It is known that Zurdo is one of the fighters that want a shot against superstar Canelo. Zurdo earlier mentioned that he should beat Bivol in order to get a shot at Canelo. We will see if Canelo is really truthful to his promise many years ago that he will never fight a Mexican-born fighter again.

Well, things would be different if Ramirez will win the fight against Bivol, because Canelo said, he won't fight his fellow Mexican and if Bivol losses he won't be as interested as today in having a rematch for him. So, I guess if Ramirez wins the fight, Canelo will have no choice but to fight him. And finally, we'll get to see how truthful Canelo to his words. He still hold onto those words until now though. However, Ramirez is determined to beat Bivol and fight Canelo on his latest statement.
Things are getting interesting between this 4 fighters.

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News circulating is that Canelo Alvarez is not interested in a fight against the undefeated and former super-middleweight champion Zurdo Ramirez. Zurdo Ramirez is scheduled to challenge WBA light-heavyweight champion Dmitry Bivol in Abu Dhabi this coming November 5. It is known that Zurdo is one of the fighters that want a shot against superstar Canelo. Zurdo earlier mentioned that he should beat Bivol in order to get a shot at Canelo. We will see if Canelo is really truthful to his promise many years ago that he will never fight a Mexican-born fighter again.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 31, 2022, 05:02:21 PM

Good mindset, so he will expect a different Canelo, and so his preparation might be different as compare to the last 2 fights. In any case what doesn't surprised me is if GGG is rob again, hehehe.

Golovkin didn't made much noise after he was robbed of the win in previous occasions. But this time I don't think that he will keep quiet. If something similar happens, then I expect him to protest. And already a lot of fans are pointing out what happened in 2017 and 2018. They are not going to keep quiet as well. The judges will be under a lot of pressure. They will be praying for a KO win, for either Canelo or Golovkin. They know that they need to help Canelo, since he is the cash cow. A good performance from Golovkin will make that difficult for them.

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The odds is still the same, GGG is the underdog, almost 4:1 or 5:1. The over and under is still pegged at 10.5.

And it's the start of September already, so just 2 weeks from now we will witnessed this epic fight. And it's nice to hear what GGG outlook in this trilogy,

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"I'm totally looking at the third fight as a brand new fight from scratch," Golovkin told Reuters through an interpreter. "I don't draw any motivation from previous fights."

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-expects-canelo-change-lot-things-trilogy-fight--168738

Good mindset, so he will expect a different Canelo, and so his preparation might be different as compare to the last 2 fights. In any case what doesn't surprised me is if GGG is rob again, hehehe.

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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .

The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

In the very first place though, I don't think that 4 meetups between them are still possible even if GGG isn't retired yet.

This is the final journey between them regardless of the result. The trilogy is the final one.

After this fight, both boxers will now move on to their next plan without having any thoughts of having another rematch.

Same here, I don't really think that there will be a Canelo-GGG 4 in the future even if GGG will be hailed winner in this trilogy. Both camp will have their own separate way either one of them will climb another division but it will be an expensive defeat for Canelo and he cannot afford to have a back-to-back defeat this year as it will really ruin his career.

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I guess not many know that Pacman beat Keith Thurman at the age of 40 and became WBA champ? Thurman was 30 years old and had only wins in his record before that fight. George Foreman became champ at 45 in a weight devision, where every punch is deadly. Holyfield had boxing fight at 46.

I know I might sound annoying, but I find it stupid when people use young > old rule in sports. Experience is what matters.

There is no denying that there are boxers, I should say that elite ones that can really fight and become a champion at age 40. So maybe GGG will be considered elite if he can still fight like when he was still at his prime against this version of Canelo. As for the experience, both have the same and maybe GGG will have the slight advantage. But this fight is going to be contested at 168 lbs, Canelo's comfort weight and it will be in years that GGG will go up in weight, so this is very important factor to consider int his fight.

We will be able to answer those questions after this trilogy like whether if GGG can be still considered as an elite boxer at his current age, but if ever GGG will be defeated dominantly then I think he should really consider hanging his gloves even though he already said he won't because there's not much he can do now and his legacy will be threaten as he will be viewed as a trophy to add in their record for the younger generations.

On the other hand, Canelo and GGG shouldn't underestimate each other because they both know how good they are inside the ring and both of them is already a veteran in this career. It will be fun watching this soon!

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 28, 2022, 10:06:30 AM

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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .

The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

A 4th fight is not possible if it turns out that Canelo will be hailed victorious in this trilogy, but if it's the opposite like GGG then a 4th fight can still happen and that will be a professional fight because GGG has already said that he is not yet hanging his gloves after this fight regardless of the result.

Both boxers are looking for a KO but I think they know that it will be a tough job to pull off because both of them already know that they're hard to be KO'd.

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However we look at it, GGG at 40 is never the same GGG. He's not the GGG that actually defeated Canelo. The GGG that we will see a little more than a couple of weeks from now is the old GGG, a fighter that is not anymore in his prime. But he's still a great fighter at that, so I hope he will still inflict enough damage on Canelo to win this rematch.

I cannot say whether GGG was robbed twice. What I surely know is that he was robbed. And that Adalaide Byrd scorecard in their first match was unbelievably ridiculous.

No one is denying that. The big question is how much wear and tear he has gone through since 2018. One thing that I know about Golovkin is that he trains really hard and takes good care of his body. He strictly refrains from junk food, alcohol and smoking. Canelo will definitely be having an advantage since he is younger. But momentum is not with Canelo, after his one-sided loss to Bivol. The latter completely dominated Canelo during the fight. Anyway, we have just 17 more days to go. 4-year wait is finally coming to an end.

All we need to do is wait and see for this upcoming fight. Both fighters are surely ready now more than 2 weeks and we will them

again inside the ring after 4 years of waiting. Let hope that there's no more doubt in whatever outcome from their fight, whoever wins hopefully

he will win it with a decent margin or in a Knockout way. Good luck to everyone who already places their bets and for those who are still

waiting for alternative odds, enjoy watching!

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2022, 08:17:14 AM

I guess not many know that Pacman beat Keith Thurman at the age of 40 and became WBA champ? Thurman was 30 years old and had only wins in his record before that fight. George Foreman became champ at 45 in a weight devision, where every punch is deadly. Holyfield had boxing fight at 46.

I know I might sound annoying, but I find it stupid when people use young > old rule in sports. Experience is what matters.

There is no denying that there are boxers, I should say that elite ones that can really fight and become a champion at age 40. So maybe GGG will be considered elite if he can still fight like when he was still at his prime against this version of Canelo. As for the experience, both have the same and maybe GGG will have the slight advantage. But this fight is going to be contested at 168 lbs, Canelo's comfort weight and it will be in years that GGG will go up in weight, so this is very important factor to consider int his fight.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on August 29, 2022, 10:43:21 PM

However we look at it, GGG at 40 is never the same GGG. He's not the GGG that actually defeated Canelo. The GGG that we will see a little more than a couple of weeks from now is the old GGG, a fighter that is not anymore in his prime. But he's still a great fighter at that, so I hope he will still inflict enough damage on Canelo to win this rematch.

I cannot say whether GGG was robbed twice. What I surely know is that he was robbed. And that Adalaide Byrd scorecard in their first match was unbelievably ridiculous.

No one is denying that. The big question is how much wear and tear he has gone through since 2018. One thing that I know about Golovkin is that he trains really hard and takes good care of his body. He strictly refrains from junk food, alcohol and smoking. Canelo will definitely be having an advantage since he is younger. But momentum is not with Canelo, after his one-sided loss to Bivol. The latter completely dominated Canelo during the fight. Anyway, we have just 17 more days to go. 4-year wait is finally coming to an end.

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I don't know if people would still be excited about that given the age of Golovkin. In fact, my excitement for this third match is not anymore as intense as if this was made several years earlier. Canelo was busy entertaining other fights after winning in a controversial rematch against GGG when the business between the two of them wasn't settled with finality yet. And now that he's lost to Bivol he's given GGG the chance to put a finality to this. But GGG has already grown old, way past his prime. But I still believe GGG can pull off a nice win over Canelo on this one.

If the scoring was fair, then Golovkin would have won the first two matches. A lot of us want him to win purely due to this reason. Golovkin was robbed of a win not once, but twice. Now nearing retirement, he deserves something to make up for that. And I am not sure whether we can say that GGG is "way past his prime". I saw the highlights from his match against Murata. He looked OK to me. Obviously some wear and tear is there from aging, but that is normal. He is almost the same GGG he was five years back.

However we look at it, GGG at 40 is never the same GGG. He's not the GGG that actually defeated Canelo. The GGG that we will see a little more than a couple of weeks from now is the old GGG, a fighter that is not anymore in his prime. But he's still a great fighter at that, so I hope he will still inflict enough damage on Canelo to win this rematch.

I cannot say whether GGG was robbed twice. What I surely know is that he was robbed. And that Adalaide Byrd scorecard in their first match was unbelievably ridiculous.

I can agree with passing on his prime if you will watch the full replay against Murata and if that opening will be given to Canelo for sure it will be an easy win knowing how solid Alvarez punches and if given a chance to land a clean and clear combinations, it can take down GGG, Like what I've seen with Pacquiao from his last fight against Ugas, even the desire was there but the quickness is no longer the same,

But, if Canelo will be careless and it turns to the other side, GGG will also not lose that opportunities. I believe that he still has that finishing combination that can take down Alvarez.

Though the odd is by far, GGG @ 4.60 and Alvarez @ 1.19 simply showing that bookies believes that Alvarez has a better edge here.

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I guess not many know that Pacman beat Keith Thurman at the age of 40 and became WBA champ? Thurman was 30 years old and had only wins in his record before that fight. George Foreman became champ at 45 in a weight devision, where every punch is deadly. Holyfield had boxing fight at 46.

I know I might sound annoying, but I find it stupid when people use young > old rule in sports. Experience is what matters.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2022, 03:04:18 AM

When will people stop speculation on GGG age? Canelo is not a young boy too. Stop turning this fight in to old vs young, as it is about experience vs experience. Professional athletes age is something different. Some athletes retire at the age of 30, some are feeling great at 50+. We are comparing GGG age from our regular body/age point of view. A lot of people at 40 now have back pain, their knees hurt, hard to go to 5th floor by stairs. GGG has been training for entire life. He has trainers, diet and etc. He is not like many, spending whole day hunched over behind pc, or spends whole day on sofa with beer and chips. if someone think he is slow and has bad reflexes already, then I suggest that man to go to boxing gym, to and old trainer and try to punch him. That old man will easily dodge and throw few bombs into your face.

I agree with your thoughts, but most of the time, we can't really take that away in any sports, sooner or later Father time will caught up on anyone, no exceptions. Of course Canelo is also not that young, he just started early same with GGG. It's that GGG decided to stay at 160 lbs his favorite weight and become one of the most successful middleweight and he could be in the discussion for the GOAT on that division. So as the saying goes, boxer is good in their last fight, so we will see if GGG can still maintain even at age 40 and have the strategy to beat Canelo hopefully in the trilogy.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 30, 2022, 03:04:18 AM

When will people stop speculation on GGG age? Canelo is not a young boy too. Stop turning this fight in to old vs young, as it is about experience vs experience. Professional athletes age is something different. Some athletes retire at the age of 30, some are feeling great at 50+. We are comparing GGG age from our regular body/age point of view. A lot of people at 40 now have back pain, their knees hurt, hard to go to 5th floor by stairs. GGG has been training for entire life. He has trainers, diet and etc. He is not like many, spending whole day hunched over behind pc, or spends whole day on sofa with beer and chips. if someone think he is slow and has bad reflexes already, then I suggest that man to go to boxing gym, to and old trainer and try to punch him. That old man will easily dodge and throw few bombs into your face.

No one say Canelo is a young boy, but I don't think 40 years old person can be said as prime age for an athlete. It's more appropriate to say young adult vs middle age adult, since 10 years old difference have so much different.

You're correct if an active 40 years old athlete wouldn't have a back pain, hurt in their body etc and if an young unexperienced person fight with him, he can easily beat the unexperienced person.

But we're talking about both people who want to become the best, of course they need to have everything at the best.

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Looking forward to that 4th fight, I know they will not regret it because they will be able to sell the fight well again. When they fight, it's not a boring fight because they go toe to toe and the good thing is that they are both strong, so no one will be knocked down.

It's still too early to talk about the 4th fight, it all depends on the result of the third fight, and the motivation of both fighters if they want a fourth one, if GGG wins he can retire because he is already hinting about retirement if he losses and the result is not satisfactory and could go the other way around he can go for the third one, Canelo will not get satisfied with a loss, if he losses he will gun for another fight, between the two its Canelo who badly need the win, fighters like Canelo's stature cannot afford two losses in a row.

Yeah, I know that of course, that's why I'm hoping that GGG will win so we will again see an exciting match. GGG will surely not retire if he wins because fighting Canelo again would result to him making more money, well, that's boxing, it's business so it's mostly about the money.

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When will people stop speculation on GGG age? Canelo is not a young boy too. Stop turning this fight in to old vs young, as it is about experience vs experience. Professional athletes age is something different. Some athletes retire at the age of 30, some are feeling great at 50+. We are comparing GGG age from our regular body/age point of view. A lot of people at 40 now have back pain, their knees hurt, hard to go to 5th floor by stairs. GGG has been training for entire life. He has trainers, diet and etc. He is not like many, spending whole day hunched over behind pc, or spends whole day on sofa with beer and chips. if someone think he is slow and has bad reflexes already, then I suggest that man to go to boxing gym, to and old trainer and try to punch him. That old man will easily dodge and throw few bombs into your face.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 29, 2022, 10:02:02 PM

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I don't know if people would still be excited about that given the age of Golovkin. In fact, my excitement for this third match is not anymore as intense as if this was made several years earlier. Canelo was busy entertaining other fights after winning in a controversial rematch against GGG when the business between the two of them wasn't settled with finality yet. And now that he's lost to Bivol he's given GGG the chance to put a finality to this. But GGG has already grown old, way past his prime. But I still believe GGG can pull off a nice win over Canelo on this one.

If the scoring was fair, then Golovkin would have won the first two matches. A lot of us want him to win purely due to this reason. Golovkin was robbed of a win not once, but twice. Now nearing retirement, he deserves something to make up for that. And I am not sure whether we can say that GGG is "way past his prime". I saw the highlights from his match against Murata. He looked OK to me. Obviously, some wear and tear are there from aging, but that is normal. He is almost the same GGG he was five years back.

If this fight ended with a KO and Golovkin won this fight then all we can say is that he is still one of the best fighters in boxing history and prove that last their last fast two fight ggg can won. But this is only the predictions because we all know that ggg is not his prime years, and in his age like other old boxers experience his movement speed is getting slower and slower every year has come. But if GGG has a good timing then for sure a good knock out will expected .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 29, 2022, 10:02:02 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on August 29, 2022, 09:14:42 PM

I don't know if people would still be excited about that given the age of Golovkin. In fact, my excitement for this third match is not anymore as intense as if this was made several years earlier. Canelo was busy entertaining other fights after winning in a controversial rematch against GGG when the business between the two of them wasn't settled with finality yet. And now that he's lost to Bivol he's given GGG the chance to put a finality to this. But GGG has already grown old, way past his prime. But I still believe GGG can pull off a nice win over Canelo on this one.

If the scoring was fair, then Golovkin would have won the first two matches. A lot of us want him to win purely due to this reason. Golovkin was robbed of a win not once, but twice. Now nearing retirement, he deserves something to make up for that. And I am not sure whether we can say that GGG is "way past his prime". I saw the highlights from his match against Murata. He looked OK to me. Obviously some wear and tear is there from aging, but that is normal. He is almost the same GGG he was five years back.

However we look at it, GGG at 40 is never the same GGG. He's not the GGG that actually defeated Canelo. The GGG that we will see a little more than a couple of weeks from now is the old GGG, a fighter that is not anymore in his prime. But he's still a great fighter at that, so I hope he will still inflict enough damage on Canelo to win this rematch.

I cannot say whether GGG was robbed twice. What I surely know is that he was robbed. And that Adalaide Byrd scorecard in their first match was unbelievably ridiculous.

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