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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 23, 2022, 03:30:38 AM

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I feel like Golovkin will have to fight defensively in this match against Canelo. Golovkin will know that since he is an experienced veteran in this sport. Apparently, I believe that he will not have much time left in his career for some reason. There are probably very few fights left for him as well. I want him to win solely because of that.

It’s not like I think he is not a capable fighter anymore. There is no doubt that he is a very capable fighter. In addition to that, he is also over 40 years old. With 42 wins, one draw, and only one loss in his career, he has achieved a remarkable record. I wish him the best of luck in making it to 43

I say if GGG will play defensive, then we will expect Canelo will win via Unanimous decision since Canelo is the favorited boxer and landed more punches. GGG should learn to fight like Bivol strategy where he always hold his two arms to protect his face, while he let his arms to get punched. The thing is Bivol is more smarter than GGG since he can find the right moment to punch Canelo, I think he's know Canelo's pattern.

But yeah it's a different boxers, maybe GGG is knowing what should he do in the trilogy fight.

I don't think that he will play defensive in the 3rd fight. He already saw his mistakes specially in the first fight wherein he allow Canelo to control the championship rounds (of course the judges as well have something to do with him losing).

Perhaps GGG will be very aggressive and he should take advantage of Canelo being a slow starter. But he should be cautious as well in the latter rounds as this is where Canelo usually score points. GGG needs to be consistent for full 12 rounds and not allow Canelo to be comfortable.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 23, 2022, 03:30:38 AM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 23, 2022, 12:02:51 AM

I feel like Golovkin will have to fight defensively in this match against Canelo. Golovkin will know that since he is an experienced veteran in this sport. Apparently, I believe that he will not have much time left in his career for some reason. There are probably very few fights left for him as well. I want him to win solely because of that.

It’s not like I think he is not a capable fighter anymore. There is no doubt that he is a very capable fighter. In addition to that, he is also over 40 years old. With 42 wins, one draw, and only one loss in his career, he has achieved a remarkable record. I wish him the best of luck in making it to 43

I say if GGG will play defensive, then we will expect Canelo will win via Unanimous decision since Canelo is the favorited boxer and landed more punches. GGG should learn to fight like Bivol strategy where he always hold his two arms to protect his face, while he let his arms to get punched. The thing is Bivol is more smarter than GGG since he can find the right moment to punch Canelo, I think he's know Canelo's pattern.

But yeah it's a different boxers, maybe GGG is knowing what should he do in the trilogy fight.

GGG needs to enhance his strategy. If he will stay with that same old one, Canelo might abuse him with another unanimous decision bookies. Consider Canelo still the favorite, as they saw this advantage from the two previous fights. Though yeah, it's different fighters inside the ring but if GGG will manage to study and learn how Bivol works with the timing, he might get that lucky combination and create a good opening.

He needs to be more offensive. In my opinion, Canelo will do his best to keep close and continue to monitor his strategy afterwards

Canelo will start attacking him with good solid punches, strategy that this guy is very good when he already analyzes how his opponent
works and attacks both from offenses and defenses styles.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 23, 2022, 12:02:51 AM

I feel like Golovkin will have to fight defensively in this match against Canelo. Golovkin will know that since he is an experienced veteran in this sport. Apparently, I believe that he will not have much time left in his career for some reason. There are probably very few fights left for him as well. I want him to win solely because of that.

It’s not like I think he is not a capable fighter anymore. There is no doubt that he is a very capable fighter. In addition to that, he is also over 40 years old. With 42 wins, one draw, and only one loss in his career, he has achieved a remarkable record. I wish him the best of luck in making it to 43

I say if GGG will play defensive, then we will expect Canelo will win via Unanimous decision since Canelo is the favorited boxer and landed more punches. GGG should learn to fight like Bivol strategy where he always hold his two arms to protect his face, while he let his arms to get punched. The thing is Bivol is more smarter than GGG since he can find the right moment to punch Canelo, I think he's know Canelo's pattern.

But yeah it's a different boxers, maybe GGG is knowing what should he do in the trilogy fight.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 22, 2022, 10:48:47 PM

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In my case, I like GGG to win since he's now in his retirement period. Canelo still has more chance and is considered still in his prime. And I feel GGG was robbed in those 2 fights, especially the 1st match where there is a huge gap in scores given by one of the judges.

If Canelo really dominates GGG at all of their meetups, there should be no trilogy that will be demanded by the majority. Canelo is not even interested in the trilogy at first even though his record against GGG is just 1 Win - 1 Draw.

He thinks that he already owned GGG with a 2-0 standing that's why no need for a trilogy. Arrogant and boastful.

Well.. you can't say that GGG is in "retirement period". He maybe close to retirement (still at least 2 years away IMO), but he hasn't given any hint as of yet. And although I agree with the fact that Golovkin was robbed in the first two matches, that is not the reason why I want him to win. I have been a big fan of Golovkin ever since I started following boxing. Most of my favorite boxers have retired by now (Klitschko brothers, Pacquiao, Mike Tyson.etc). Golovkin is one of those athletes who keep me interested in boxing.

I feel like Golovkin will have to fight defensively in this match against Canelo. Golovkin will know that since he is an experienced veteran in this sport. Apparently, I believe that he will not have much time left in his career for some reason. There are probably very few fights left for him as well. I want him to win solely because of that.

It’s not like I think he is not a capable fighter anymore. There is no doubt that he is a very capable fighter. In addition to that, he is also over 40 years old. With 42 wins, one draw, and only one loss in his career, he has achieved a remarkable record. I wish him the best of luck in making it to 43

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Quote from: agustina2 on August 22, 2022, 06:51:34 PM

In my case, I like GGG to win since he's now in his retirement period. Canelo still has more chance and is considered still in his prime. And I feel GGG was robbed in those 2 fights, especially the 1st match where there is a huge gap in scores given by one of the judges.

If Canelo really dominates GGG at all of their meetups, there should be no trilogy that will be demanded by the majority. Canelo is not even interested in the trilogy at first even though his record against GGG is just 1 Win - 1 Draw.

He thinks that he already owned GGG with a 2-0 standing that's why no need for a trilogy. Arrogant and boastful.

Well.. you can't say that GGG is in "retirement period". He maybe close to retirement (still at least 2 years away IMO), but he hasn't given any hint as of yet. And although I agree with the fact that Golovkin was robbed in the first two matches, that is not the reason why I want him to win. I have been a big fan of Golovkin ever since I started following boxing. Most of my favorite boxers have retired by now (Klitschko brothers, Pacquiao, Mike Tyson.etc). Golovkin is one of those athletes who keep me interested in boxing.

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Quote from: lienfaye on August 21, 2022, 08:14:55 PM

Maybe one of the reason why many people are rooting for GGG is the fact that in this fight he doesnt have a win yet. Thus fans are looking forward for him to take down Canelo especially his previous fights (before this) are a victory for him, its like he redeem himself after his loss.

In my case, I like GGG to win since he's now in his retirement period. Canelo still has more chance and is considered still in his prime. And I feel GGG was robbed in those 2 fights, especially the 1st match where there is a huge gap in scores given by one of the judges.

If Canelo really dominates GGG at all of their meetups, there should be no trilogy that will be demanded by the majority. Canelo is not even interested in the trilogy at first even though his record against GGG is just 1 Win - 1 Draw.

He thinks that he already owned GGG with a 2-0 standing that's why no need for a trilogy. Arrogant and boastful.

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Quote from: stadus on August 22, 2022, 03:18:04 AM

Thanks to Canelo losing to Bivol, because if that didn't happen, we might not see this fight.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believed regardless of the result of the Bivol-Canelo match, the trilogy fight between Canelo and GGG will still materialize. That's already on Canelo's timeline this year. Instead, what I'm thinking is, that if GGG were defeated by Murata, that might ruin the negotiations regarding the trilogy.

Moving forward, we are all fortunate to witness the upcoming trilogy that was being requested for years.

Let's hope for no controversial issues that will happened in this fight.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on August 18, 2022, 10:54:30 AM

Quote from: mirakal on August 18, 2022, 10:43:49 AM

Middle East is more suitable because it is a neutral place to fight for the both boxers rather than fighting again in American soil where Bivol might face the same situation he had in their first encounter.

But a cruiserweight fight for Canelo might be too much for him as we already saw his performance in light-heavy, I mean what's more if he will fight in cruiserweight? He might be strong but his moves will be much calculated by his foes as he won't be that fast enough in cruiserweight. Anyway, let's see Canelo's decision after this trilogy.

Yes, after this trilogy, Canelo's camp may explore to which division he wanted to bring his greatness. He needs to take care

of this upcoming fight first, as he needs to re-claim his name after that defeat for Bivol. They might be taking that road once

the fight was already done. If he concludes this rivalry in winning this upcoming fight. There are many options as Canelo is still in his

prime, he can choose what direction for his career and for more flowing money inside his pocket.

Money is not a problem for Canelo this time because he already knew that he will be followed by it wherever he will go or whoever he faces but it will be more profitable for them if the other boxer is also a title holder. We may see Canelo chasing Bivol again after this upcoming trilogy but that's not yet sure as we know that there's still a 3rd boxer that Canelo has to face after GGG as it is written in his contract.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 18, 2022, 10:43:49 AM

Middle East is more suitable because it is a neutral place to fight for the both boxers rather than fighting again in American soil where Bivol might face the same situation he had in their first encounter.

But a cruiserweight fight for Canelo might be too much for him as we already saw his performance in light-heavy, I mean what's more if he will fight in cruiserweight? He might be strong but his moves will be much calculated by his foes as he won't be that fast enough in cruiserweight. Anyway, let's see Canelo's decision after this trilogy.

Cruiserweight is to much for Canelo. Not only boxers there are heavier and stronger, but they are often taller. He would have to go to close distance to have any success, but his face will be smashed with heavy jabs all the time. Besides, he has only two fights in light heavy. A loss to Bivol, and a victory over Kovalev, who seems to be selling his belt for several millions, instead of boxing, plus he was not in his prime already. Light weight has still bunch of good opponents for Canelo, if he finds middleweight or super middle weight boring or empty for him.

Right! It will be an overstatement if we say that he will do just fine in cruiserweight because we saw how he performed against a young champion in light-heavyweight, or at least his speed is not that hard to read anymore because of the added weight. By now, Canelo and his team are trying to weigh things if they should try and tie the score against Bivol because it's not an easy challenge for Canelo and it's too risky to be defeated by the same boxer twice. Also, the other champion in light-heavy is Artur Beterbiev, I can't really say that Canelo will be the one to end his long-standing KO streak.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 22, 2022, 07:10:44 AM

About motivation? I'm pretty sure both fighters are motivated.

Well said, both fighters are motivated and they will try to win the fight in all cause, siding Canelo he needs to win to make more money making

fights, while with GGG, he wanted to revenge and prove that he deserves the win. Both previous fights between them are controversial and GGG

fans believe that he's been robbed by the judges, and that's the essence of having this trilogy to see if this long time question will be concluded

or another fight will take place in-case GGG wins here.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.

Thats true. This will be a great fight that we've been waiting for years.

Thanks to Canelo losing to Bivol, because if that didn't happen, we might not see this fight.

Possible, but I think when Canelo re-sign with Matchroom and DAZN, he knows that sooner or later this fight is going to happen regardless of the result of of his fight wit Bivol.

But the thing is, when Canelo losses that fight, it add an extra motivation for him to fight GGG because he knows that he can get back in track as the cash cow and p4p #1 with a victory here.

So we will see after this fight if Canelo will extend his contract again with Eddie Hearn and the DAZN.

A wise decision by Canelo, and that really was a blessing for us because we have been anticipating this fight and now it's coming into reality. Well, we all know that although Canelo won in their last fight, it's still not guaranteed that he will win here like what bookies are thinking, I like to believe that bookies are overvaluing Canelo in this fight.

About motivation? I'm pretty sure both fighters are motivated.

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Quote from: stadus on August 22, 2022, 03:18:04 AM

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.

Thats true. This will be a great fight that we've been waiting for years.

Thanks to Canelo losing to Bivol, because if that didn't happen, we might not see this fight.

Possible, but I think when Canelo re-sign with Matchroom and DAZN, he knows that sooner or later this fight is going to happen regardless of the result of of his fight wit Bivol.

But the thing is, when Canelo losses that fight, it add an extra motivation for him to fight GGG because he knows that he can get back in track as the cash cow and p4p #1 with a victory here.

So we will see after this fight if Canelo will extend his contract again with Eddie Hearn and the DAZN.

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Quote from: lienfaye on August 21, 2022, 08:14:55 PM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

most people have more appreciation for GGG, I don't know if maybe he as a person has more charisma, something they like and want to see him succeed,

Maybe one of the reason why many people are rooting for GGG is the fact that in this fight he doesnt have a win yet. Thus fans are looking forward for him to take down Canelo especially his previous fights (before this) are a victory for him, its like he redeem himself after his loss.

And also because some think that he was robbed in the 2 fights. He has not won the last two fights but it was a close one, so now, we have the possible final fight, because if Canelo would still win here, it's going to be over, even if it still has a controversial result.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.

Thats true. This will be a great fight that we've been waiting for years.

Thanks to Canelo losing to Bivol, because if that didn't happen, we might not see this fight.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

most people have more appreciation for GGG, I don't know if maybe he as a person has more charisma, something they like and want to see him succeed,

Maybe one of the reason why many people are rooting for GGG is the fact that in this fight he doesnt have a win yet. Thus fans are looking forward for him to take down Canelo especially his previous fights (before this) are a victory for him, its like he redeem himself after his loss.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 21, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.

Thats true. This will be a great fight that we've been waiting for years.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 18, 2022, 05:06:07 AM

That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

Beterbiev is a big deal. Canelo will just be a punching bag for this guy. Bivol is even much smaller in terms of overall firepower compare to Beterbiev. If Canelo becomes a kid facing Bivol, how much more against Beterbiev? Canelo is not yet ready to face champions at those levels but if he will challenge instead those on rankings before the Champion, that's a good start although it's not a title match and promoters always want a big fight to Canelo as their cash cow.

I hope this trilogy will not end up AGAIN with a controversial result. Close scores really always end up controversial.

I really hope that the result is not controversial as well, personally I do not have much of a problem when the score is close as long as it favors the one that actually won the fight, however in their two previous meetings GGG deserved to win at least one of those fights and that is why there is so much attention put into this fight.

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Well, I think that those of us who live in the forum know very well that this fight is one of the most elusive and therefore we could see that favorable results can be achieved for either of the two types of fans, both for Canelo and for GGG, but in All this time I have realized something very particular, most people have more appreciation for GGG, I don't know if maybe he as a person has more charisma, something they like and want to see him succeed, obviously statistics help him a lot, but in boxing not everything is numbers and statistics, it's the real part, real life, and really even though both boxers have failed along their paths, it will be interesting to see this fight.

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People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Even Canelo will show a clearly domination by him against GGG in the trilogy, I wouldn't say Canelo is really prove he's the best boxers since it's different with the first and second fights. It's already have different ages, crowd, luck, situation etc etc and although there will be the fourth or fifth figths, it's still different and can't change the fact GGG was won the first fight.

Quote from: Kemarit on August 19, 2022, 09:55:36 PM

Yes, that will be the smart move, 160/168 lbs might be suitable for him for now, as there are no fighter in that division that can bring Canelo more millions. 175 is very different, Bivol as we saw how Canelo got destroyed and then Beterviev, another one of those champions that is very big for Canelo and has a bigger puncher power than Bivol. Maybe he will let this two fight first and the winner will be Canelo's target for the belt and obviously it's for the money.

But if Canelo is only stay on super middleweight division, he wouldn't learn and improve himself to become the best boxers. I think Canelo is a challenger person and want to become a GOAT just like Pacquiao, he's not like Mayweather who only looking for money and his clean record.

Yes, I do agree, and Canelo has clean up the 168 lbs division so there is no challenge for him. So he may have to go to light-HW as some point in time. Or even go directly to Bivol after the Canelo fight.

He is chasing a 5th title, to be the one of the great Mexican boxers. And he can still fight maybe in the next 4-5 years so for sure he won't style at super middleweight division.

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The result could be different if Canelo did not obviously lose the fight, if it was close then it might resulted into a split decision giving Canelo the "W", and that would make his name hyped more in the sports of boxing, good thing Bivol did not allow that to happen and clearly dominated Canelo.

That's why if this trilogy will end up in a Decision, GGG needs to be clear dominant at most rounds in order for judges to be fair and square. It's because of the speculation that judges always favor Canelo. Remember during their first fight where it ended up on a DRAW, one of the judges there scores 118-110 in favor of Canelo. That is controversial as the other judges' scores, 113-115 and 114-114, are not even close to that first announced score.

In their rematch, the score card is also close that also got questioned by most boxing enthusiasts.

There's also speculation that if Bivol, even a clear winner in that fight against Canelo, but the overall match were close, judges might favor Canelo to win that fight.

the previous fights will be a good motivation for GGG to defeat Canelo fair and square. i can understand why a lot of users here are favouring GGG. so this upcoming fight is indeed interesting. even bookies are favouring Canelo. so the challenge is on GGG if he wants to retire from boxing a winner one last time. it is also good to place a bet in other betting lines if you want to explore your chances as the odds are good.

If you love to take a big gamble, placing a bet for GGG might give you a decent profit in case he beat Canelo this time. We see a lot of GGG supporters who are willing to take that risk to bet with aged GGG; we don't know though if that last win from the Japanese fighter Murata builds something for GGG to increase his confident in beating Canelo, though for me, he always has that eagerness and confidence that he wins that 2 previous fights.

Quote from: Daltonik on August 20, 2022, 12:12:19 PM

Of course, Golovkin has a chance to win a rematch with Canelo if everything goes well for him in terms of preparing for the fight and, as it seems to me, if Canelo makes a mistake at the beginning of the fight, but this is more a matter of luck than objective reality.

GGG needs to take his shot knowing that it can be his last chance, We know how good he was way back from his prime years, now, he will going to try again if he succeed we might see another fight between them since the record will be tied in terms of winning stats.

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Of course, Golovkin has a chance to win a rematch with Canelo if everything goes well for him in terms of preparing for the fight and, as it seems to me, if Canelo makes a mistake at the beginning of the fight, but this is more a matter of luck than objective reality.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on August 19, 2022, 10:07:36 PM

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

Even Canelo will show a clearly domination by him against GGG in the trilogy, I wouldn't say Canelo is really prove he's the best boxers since it's different with the first and second fights. It's already have different ages, crowd, luck, situation etc etc and although there will be the fourth or fifth figths, it's still different and can't change the fact GGG was won the first fight.

Quote from: Kemarit on August 19, 2022, 09:55:36 PM

Yes, that will be the smart move, 160/168 lbs might be suitable for him for now, as there are no fighter in that division that can bring Canelo more millions. 175 is very different, Bivol as we saw how Canelo got destroyed and then Beterviev, another one of those champions that is very big for Canelo and has a bigger puncher power than Bivol. Maybe he will let this two fight first and the winner will be Canelo's target for the belt and obviously it's for the money.

But if Canelo is only stay on super middleweight division, he wouldn't learn and improve himself to become the best boxers. I think Canelo is a challenger person and want to become a GOAT just like Pacquiao, he's not like Mayweather who only looking for money and his clean record.

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That would be another hype, however, I think Canelo will experience his 2nd losses on the higher division as certainly cannot bring his speed and power as evidenced by his fight against Bivol, or if he wants to avenge his loss, he can go for a rematch with Bivol after beating GGG, if that expectation will happen.

Beterbiev is a big deal. Canelo will just be a punching bag for this guy. Bivol is even much smaller in terms of overall firepower compare to Beterbiev. If Canelo becomes a kid facing Bivol, how much more against Beterbiev? Canelo is not yet ready to face champions at those levels but if he will challenge instead those on rankings before the Champion, that's a good start although it's not a title match and promoters always want a big fight to Canelo as their cash cow.

I hope this trilogy will not end up AGAIN with a controversial result. Close scores really always end up controversial.

I really hope that the result is not controversial as well, personally I do not have much of a problem when the score is close as long as it favors the one that actually won the fight, however in their two previous meetings GGG deserved to win at least one of those fights and that is why there is so much attention put into this fight.

People want to see if Canelo is actually able to beat and maybe even dominate GGG, if he is able to do it then he could clear the doubts that the previous fights created, but he cannot do it then I think this is going to be a slight hit against his reputation.

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