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I don't know if people would still be excited about that given the age of Golovkin. In fact, my excitement for this third match is not anymore as intense as if this was made several years earlier. Canelo was busy entertaining other fights after winning in a controversial rematch against GGG when the business between the two of them wasn't settled with finality yet. And now that he's lost to Bivol he's given GGG the chance to put a finality to this. But GGG has already grown old, way past his prime. But I still believe GGG can pull off a nice win over Canelo on this one.

If the scoring was fair, then Golovkin would have won the first two matches. A lot of us want him to win purely due to this reason. Golovkin was robbed of a win not once, but twice. Now nearing retirement, he deserves something to make up for that. And I am not sure whether we can say that GGG is "way past his prime". I saw the highlights from his match against Murata. He looked OK to me. Obviously some wear and tear is there from aging, but that is normal. He is almost the same GGG he was five years back.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

It is actually possible for a fourth fight considering that their first match was a split draw and the second match was a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But that is only possible if GGG wins this time around. That means both of them got 1 win each so a tie breaker could be arranged. But other factors of course could make the fight less interesting. GGG has already reached 40 and he is much older than Canelo.

GGG is a fighter to surely be remembered but the world of boxing hasn't stop for just one fighter retiring. There's always another fighter that would show up and make history.

Looking forward to that 4th fight, I know they will not regret it because they will be able to sell the fight well again. When they fight, it's not a boring fight because they go toe to toe and the good thing is that they are both strong, so no one will be knocked down.

I don't know if people would still be excited about that given the age of Golovkin. In fact, my excitement for this third match is not anymore as intense as if this was made several years earlier. Canelo was busy entertaining other fights after winning in a controversial rematch against GGG when the business between the two of them wasn't settled with finality yet. And now that he's lost to Bivol he's given GGG the chance to put a finality to this. But GGG has already grown old, way past his prime. But I still believe GGG can pull off a nice win over Canelo on this one.
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and i can understand why many of the users here are rooting for GGG. if he wins, that a big bonus before his retirement. let's see...

Not just that. Canelo has lots of time left in his career to make some good achievements and push for his goals. GGG on the other hand is obviously now in the retirement period of his career. I also like GGG to win here but not saying I'm not a fan of Canelo. Just want to see GGG having a good celebration of his retirement. Holding a title in retirement is something that most boxers don't experience.

It's because between the two, GGG is more likeable I would say. I mean Canelo became so arrogant and brandish, of course it's because he can back up everything he says, but for the majority of us, we like boxers that are humble.

And also in their first two meeting, the fight could have gone either, or maybe we don't need this trilogy as this could also be 2-0 already in favor of GGG. The last reasons is that we love underdogs, that huge odds, we can bet just small money on it and maybe if there is an upset then it will be a good win and profit for us.
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and i can understand why many of the users here are rooting for GGG. if he wins, that a big bonus before his retirement. let's see...

Not just that. Canelo has lots of time left in his career to make some good achievements and push for his goals. GGG on the other hand is obviously now in the retirement period of his career. I also like GGG to win here but not saying I'm not a fan of Canelo. Just want to see GGG having a good celebration of his retirement. Holding a title in retirement is something that most boxers don't experience.
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we should definitely wait for the results of this trilogy before anything else. talks about 4th is useless if we have no results yet of this upcoming fight. but more then likely, GGG will retire from the world of boxing after this. i don't think it is his advantage of fighting these new bloods. better retire and enjoy what he got from this sports. and i can understand why many of the users here are rooting for GGG. if he wins, that a big bonus before his retirement. let's see...

I think even GGG will win or lose here, there's no way the 4th match will happen.

As I mentioned, GGG might probably face Lara after the trilogy. After that, he might consider retiring now even if he will win.

And for promoters, it seems it's not worth any more to arrange a fight for an old GGG against Canelo.
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It's still too early to talk about the 4th fight, it all depends on the result of the third fight,

I think regardless of the result, I'm now assuming there won't be 4th rematch.

The reason is very simple, if GGG wins, he already even the series and that's a good moment to retire. If won't retire, he will just fight other boxers. On the other hand, if GGG loses, that's it. Canelo will not be interested anymore in the 4th rematch.

But yes, too early to talk about the 4th fight. The trilogy even gets years in the making before happening for real.

we should definitely wait for the results of this trilogy before anything else. talks about 4th is useless if we have no results yet of this upcoming fight. but more then likely, GGG will retire from the world of boxing after this. i don't think it is his advantage of fighting these new bloods. better retire and enjoy what he got from this sports. and i can understand why many of the users here are rooting for GGG. if he wins, that a big bonus before his retirement. let's see...
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It's still too early to talk about the 4th fight, it all depends on the result of the third fight,

I think regardless of the result, I'm now assuming there won't be 4th rematch.

The reason is very simple, if GGG wins, he already even the series and that's a good moment to retire. If won't retire, he will just fight other boxers. On the other hand, if GGG loses, that's it. Canelo will not be interested anymore in the 4th rematch.

But yes, too early to talk about the 4th fight. The trilogy even gets years in the making before happening for real.
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Looking forward to that 4th fight, I know they will not regret it because they will be able to sell the fight well again. When they fight, it's not a boring fight because they go toe to toe and the good thing is that they are both strong, so no one will be knocked down.


It's still too early to talk about the 4th fight, it all depends on the result of the third fight, and the motivation of both fighters if they want a fourth one, if GGG wins he can retire because he is already hinting about retirement if he losses and the result is not satisfactory and could go the other way around he can go for the third one, Canelo will not get satisfied with a loss, if he losses he will gun for another fight, between the two its Canelo who badly need the win, fighters like Canelo's stature cannot afford two losses in a row.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

It is actually possible for a fourth fight considering that their first match was a split draw and the second match was a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But that is only possible if GGG wins this time around. That means both of them got 1 win each so a tie breaker could be arranged. But other factors of course could make the fight less interesting. GGG has already reached 40 and he is much older than Canelo.

GGG is a fighter to surely be remembered but the world of boxing hasn't stop for just one fighter retiring. There's always another fighter that would show up and make history.

Looking forward to that 4th fight, I know they will not regret it because they will be able to sell the fight well again. When they fight, it's not a boring fight because they go toe to toe and the good thing is that they are both strong, so no one will be knocked down.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

It is actually possible for a fourth fight considering that their first match was a split draw and the second match was a majority decision in favor of Canelo. But that is only possible if GGG wins this time around. That means both of them got 1 win each so a tie breaker could be arranged. But other factors of course could make the fight less interesting. GGG has already reached 40 and he is much older than Canelo.

GGG is a fighter to surely be remembered but the world of boxing hasn't stop for just one fighter retiring. There's always another fighter that would show up and make history.
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When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

It's been a while since GGG doesn't have any big fights. He was also on hiatus for 2 years after returning to ring against Murata. The competition on Middleweight or Super Middleweight will still be "fairly" the same even if GGG will now retire. We have boxers at this division who also making names.

We also have good title holders here like Erislandy Lara, Jermall Charlo, Janibek Alimkhanuly, etc. although I will admit nothing can compare how heavy GGG's legacy is in boxing. Anyway, GGG is asked to have a mandatory fight with Lara 4 months after the trilogy with Canelo. That might be GGG's next fight.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.

In the very first place though, I don't think that 4 meetups between them are still possible even if GGG isn't retired yet.

This is the final journey between them regardless of the result. The trilogy is the final one.

After this fight, both boxers will now move on to their next plan without having any thoughts of having another rematch.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.
Fair point because GGG will finally have a closure on his career what will be the result.

Successful happy ending career when he won because he finally get the revenge for his only lose and draw for his record.

Or Successful a bit sad ending career because he can’t prove that he is the greatest on his division despite his outstanding record because he can’t beat the man that keeps blocking him to be on the top.

Either way, the best thing is he does manage to call for this fight and he has the chance of proving something before retiring.

I'm quite optimistic that he will bring everything here and he will really try to win for the sake of his die-hard fans, we also don't know

if ever that he wins this fight, maybe he will be taking the opportunities to make more money and make another rematch for the final

Closure of their rivalry. We never know it will be depend from the outcome of this fight.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
The fourth fight wouldn't count as a professional record anymore, but an exhibition fight since GGG already retired when it's happen. It's sad to see there's no other good boxers that can compete GGG or Canelo on super middleweight or middleweight, so many fans only expect the fourth, fifth, sixth and so on. When GGG already retired, I think the super middleweight or middleweight would be boring.
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And we will not see the judges involving themselves. But this is unlikely to happen as both fighter have a solid chin a maybe there is no knock down or knock out.

If the fight will end up in Decision, I'm sure Canelo has more likely to win.

There will be no questioned if we will really see that GGG is struggling against Canelo at most rounds and the whole fight is being dominated by Canelo.

Otherwise, GGG needs to do a convincing win on every rounds like Bivol did against Canelo in order for judges to side with GGG. If the fight will end up in a close score, I'm sure judges will favor and side with Canelo. He's a big treasure to protect if you know what I mean.

What do you mean by that big treasure that the judges must protect? Canelo and his camp knows by now that he is watched by the public and by the whole boxing industry because of that help he got by the judges in their 2 previous fights. Other than that, this trilogy must be fair because Canelo already had the advantage while GGG is already past in his prime. Let Canelo himself prove that he's still the dominant in the division without getting some help because GGG would love to give him an entertaining fight, I bet.

If you are not aware, Canelo Alvarez is currently a cash cow. Even he lose previously against Dmitry Bivol months ago, Canelo is still highly valued and no doubt can still lure big crowd and viewers to purchase tickets, PPV and anything. If you also remember, the 1st and 2nd match are controversial that's why it needs a trilogy to finally settle the scores.

Like you, I'm also looking forward for the fair result of this fight. But don't forget my post above that not unless GGG is a clear winner for every rounds, that might result for judges to give that round to Canelo. Just for a refreshment, there's even a speculation that Bivol maybe lose to Canelo via Decision if their fight are close and tight.
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And I think it's all about the power, those guy are natural heavy, so heavy handed as well. It will be something in the catch weight but still it's not a sure thing for Canelo to win at Cruiserweight and yeah, probably the same result, going to be L for him with the big Makabu.

So now, let's just enjoy him and GGG next month, if he get passed GGG and win, let's see if he wanted to go to Light heavyweight again and go after Bivol for a rematch or stay in 168 lbs but there will be no challenges for him.

Well, there is no other way but to enjoy the upcoming fight of Canelo and GGG.

But, It would really a challenge for Canelo if he moves up to cruiserweight because of the weight and possible power disadvantage.  Those at the heavier weight can receive much stronger punches so the ability of Canelo to knockdown his opponent will be tested if he moves up in weight division.  Not because he is a Knock out artist in the lower weight means he will be the same when he climbs the weight.  We have seen several boxers to have difficulty in knocking their opponent even though they are devastating in their previous weight division.

We don't need to see it, his lost to Bivol at LHW is already a indication that he swallow more than he could chew. So probably going up to CW will also be a disaster waiting to happen for him.

Definitely, his power can only bring that much as 160-168 lbs, he is very dominant and most likely that is his perfect weight. But above that 175 lbs and higher will be a different Canelo, he doesn't have the advantage that he has when he is in the middle to super middleweight.
Correct, the fight of Canelo versus Bivol made very clear that Canelo is simply not ready to move up a division, he has great strength, stamina and punching power when it comes to the current division in which he fights and this has allowed him to dominate it.

But he looked really slow and heavy when he fought against Bivol, so unless there was something wrong with his training regimen then I think we can safely say that Canelo is probably never going to be able to move up a division successfully.
It is that this is what I thought some time ago, for me Canelo has not yet recovered from that emotional blow that he has triggered, however I think that Canlo has to have a very hard training right now, because he cannot fail anymore, There is also something to emphasize, Bivol is a boxer who has a high level and that destroyed him, against all odds, the Russian, which did happen because he was in doubt if he gave up because the boxer was Russian, however He hit Canelo very hard, I think the fight between Canelo and Golov will be very interesting, especially for the fans who have always lost this fight, which for me would have been more epic if Canelo had beaten the Russian.

I got curious with the topic so I tried to look around. I found this article on how fights are scored from the point of view of a judge
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/queensberry-rules-boxing-blog/2019/jan/02/boxing-judge-scoring-528-fights

Here's the quick guide,

Quote
Quality blow

Refuses to give up
Loses the previous round yet comes back stronger
Suffers knockdown in previous round yet comes back stronger
Understands when their strategy didn’t work and adjusts

I'm not gonna lie that the "competitiveness" criteria caught me by surprise. I seriously do not understand why a judge should score based on that. I mean that's kinda adding emotion into the bout and judges should be looking at it objectively right?

That may be a consolation point for a fighter who refuses to give up even though he was already battered.  This probably will come in hand when the judges has a draw in their score card.  But definitely if the opponent is way ahead of points, this competitiveness won't give them the win.

And in this fight I believe this competitiveness will be even out for both fighter since  Canelo and GGG are boxers who always adjust inside the ring.

It is true, this has a lot to do with competitiveness, for me both boxers have an equivalent level, I would not know which one to go for, both are very good, despite the fact that they have had many failures along the way, I feel that they can make a big difference when they fight, for me this will be good at the time the bets are going to happen, for me they will be very 50/50, but as I said before, people are very fond of GGG, and this is something that is contagious, and especially those who do not know much about boxing and do not know who to support, sometimes more bets can be placed on boxers who have that special charisma.
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I got curious with the topic so I tried to look around. I found this article on how fights are scored from the point of view of a judge
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/queensberry-rules-boxing-blog/2019/jan/02/boxing-judge-scoring-528-fights

Here's the quick guide,

Quote
Quality blow

Refuses to give up
Loses the previous round yet comes back stronger
Suffers knockdown in previous round yet comes back stronger
Understands when their strategy didn’t work and adjusts

I'm not gonna lie that the "competitiveness" criteria caught me by surprise. I seriously do not understand why a judge should score based on that. I mean that's kinda adding emotion into the bout and judges should be looking at it objectively right?

That may be a consolation point for a fighter who refuses to give up even though he was already battered.  This probably will come in hand when the judges has a draw in their score card.  But definitely if the opponent is way ahead of points, this competitiveness won't give them the win.

And in this fight I believe this competitiveness will be even out for both fighter since  Canelo and GGG are boxers who always adjust inside the ring.
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Let's wait and see the outcome of this fight as we all know that this two fighter already proves what they got. And in their third match a lot of prediction comes up in our mind because as we can see that both fighters aiming for TKO or KO once again to prove that who is the best and if this fight ends up with a unanimous decision for sure there's a possible GGG vs canelo 4 .
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I mean, we can't really say for sure that Canelo wouldn't get some help here if the score goes to the judge's hand.
We never know, but we can also consider betting on the Draw, because if this will be a close fight, then there's a possibility that the decision will be a draw. For sure the odds are very high, so maybe it's very attractive to put some bets on that as well. Since we are talking of the closest possible outcome, yes, I agree that it will go to the judges' scorecards, and most likely Canelo will win. ( I hope I will be wrong). Grin
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Just 20 days to go!!!

I can't really believe that I waited so long (4 years) for this fight to happen. Could have happened in 2019, but then Canelo gave some silly excuse to delay it. Anyway, I hope that this time we will get an outcome without much controversies. And this is going to be the last fight from this franchise, and there will never be a GGG vs Canelo 4. And that is also the reason why I want to have a clear outcome from this match.

Possible outcomes:

1. Canelo KO Golovkin - low probability, but possible
2. Canelo UD Golovkin - highest probability
3. Canelo SD Golovkin - high probability
4. Golovkin SD Canelo - moderate probaility
5. Golovkin UD Canelo - moderate probaility
6. Golovkin KO Canelo - almost impossible

I would choose Golovkin to win via a split decision. That would make the fans happy, and of course, it could be a controversial fight that might result in another big fight. KO really has the lowest probability here as we had already witnessed the last two fights, and no one was even get knocked down.

I agree that a split decision or majority decision is the most likely to happen in their trilogy because there will be always that judge that would go for Canelo or even score a draw that makes a unanimous decision almost impossible to happen. I mean, we can't really say for sure that Canelo wouldn't get some help here if the score goes to the judge's hand.
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