[Boxing] Canelo vs Golovkin 3 (September 17) - page 43.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on July 02, 2022, 10:51:11 AM

Quote from: goinmerry on July 02, 2022, 10:18:44 AM

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

Actually the statement of ages factor is mostly correct since as we can see many good boxer often lose when he's already old, take an example of the recent fight of the rematch between Inoue vs Donaire. The first fight is really exiting and no boring since it's ended via decision, Donaire had an iron chin to survive for 12 rounds. But the rematch, we're disappointed to see Donaire can't hold his body to taking Inoue's punch and ended as TKO on the second rounds.

The possible chance GGG will win the trilogy is below 30% IMO.

It's different compared to the Donaire vs Inoue fight because in the first fight, Inoue won via unanimous decision, which means he dominated the fight, while in GGG vs Canelo, the last two fights were very controversial that's why fans are asking a trilogy and it's happening soon.

Maybe age is really a big factor, a disadvantage of GGG in this fight, but GGG is not just an ordinary boxer, he is one of the greatest boxers and therefore I still believe that even if Canelo will win, it's not gonna be easy.

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Quote from: goinmerry on July 02, 2022, 10:18:44 AM

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

Actually the statement of ages factor is mostly correct since as we can see many good boxer often lose when he's already old, take an example of the recent fight of the rematch between Inoue vs Donaire. The first fight is really exiting and no boring since it's ended via decision, Donaire had an iron chin to survive for 12 rounds. But the rematch, we're disappointed to see Donaire can't hold his body to taking Inoue's punch and ended as TKO on the second rounds.

The possible chance GGG will win the trilogy is below 30% IMO.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

That might be true but didn't you know that GGG is already in his post-prime when he fought against Canelo in their rematch? In that fight, Canelo was put on his limit and the result is even doubted by most boxing fans. GGG at around 40 years just crashed Murata with a Technical Knockout victory. On other hand, Canelo loses against a boxer that was in his same league which others don't expect.

When we talked about GGG, don't ever put age does matter as the main disadvantage. If he will lose here, it means Canelo just outbox him but that's not because of GGG's age. We can compare them in technical aspects but it doesn't mean all the advantages are on Canelo because he is much younger.

What if let's say GGG wins here, is that statement of yours about his age will now changed?

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 02, 2022, 08:15:48 AM

For GGG, I think he still has it, he won his last fight so I believe he can beat Canelo as long as he can set up and find a great opening. In boxing, sometimes we have to consider luck as well as one mistake could end the fight, and that's why GGG will have to look since he is a knock out puncher and therefore capable of hurting Canelo.

Of course, but people still questioning if at his age now, can he make an upset by beating Canelo?

I'm sure most of us here would not agree on an upset because Canelo is still in his prime while GGG is going to his retirement age, so let's see, we can never tell until the fight is over. One thing I'm sure of is that this fight is going to be exciting again, so regardless of who wins, as long as it brings enjoyment, I'm okay with that.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 01, 2022, 10:08:58 PM

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

You don't have to question how much the body can take, sooner or later our body will not be the same as it was 5 years ago. Just one example is our eye sight, maybe at 35 you might be 20/20 but when you reaches 40, it might deteriorate, that's how our body works.

Of course, we love that kind of odds, very much attractive. So it's really up to us, how we analyze the fight and who to bet if we factor many things, including age of GGG or how Canelo lost his fight against Bivol.

For GGG, I think he still has it, he won his last fight so I believe he can beat Canelo as long as he can set up and find a great opening. In boxing, sometimes we have to consider luck as well as one mistake could end the fight, and that's why GGG will have to look since he is a knock out puncher and therefore capable of hurting Canelo.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:43:22 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on July 01, 2022, 10:08:58 PM

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

You don't have to question how much the body can take, sooner or later our body will not be the same as it was 5 years ago. Just one example is our eye sight, maybe at 35 you might be 20/20 but when you reaches 40, it might deteriorate, that's how our body works.

Of course, we love that kind of odds, very much attractive. So it's really up to us, how we analyze the fight and who to bet if we factor many things, including age of GGG or how Canelo lost his fight against Bivol.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2022, 10:43:22 PM

How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

The age factor will affect almost all important aspects such as endurance, fitness, strength, and others. So I don't think there is an opinion that is degrading the age factor but because his stats are decreasing then the chances of winning will probably be low as your prediction is below 50%, the trilogy fight probably won't be in Golovkin's favor because of his age, unless he finds a golden opportunity to knock out Canelo with a hard punch then it will be a different story.

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Quote from: Kemarit on July 01, 2022, 10:08:58 PM

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

Golovkin was 35 years old when he first took on Canelo. Although the judges scored the match as a draw, in my opinion it was Golovkin who dominated that fight. Now he is 40 years old. How much wear and tear his body would have taken in 5-years time? Aren't we overstating the age factor here? Age is a factor, but I have a feeling that it is a minor one. There is a real chance of Golovkin defeating Canelo in the trilogy fight (although the chances are less than 50%). For us, what matters is that the odds are looking very attractive.

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Quote from: Botnake on July 01, 2022, 08:54:02 AM

Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

I don't think he was change, it's just that Canelo is also a great fighter and in the last fight, Canelo was better than him that's why he lose.

Look at his record, he had only 1 lose and that is only against canelo.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

his record is now 42-1 with 37KO from 42 wins. In fact, he has a better record than Canelo as Canelo has 2 losses already.

Canelo's lost to Floyd early on his career, he was still very young that time and not even a household name in the US. But it's good that he was exposed to Floyd that's what he developed after that to become the top dog in boxing (after Floyd retired for good).

And if GGG can win here, he will avenge his only lost and we can say that he didn't lost at all. But then again the age factor will come into the picture if he still have the body to beat a still prime Alvarez.

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Quote from: Welsh on July 01, 2022, 03:54:25 PM

Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

Probably true, but I think the same could be said for Canelo. I haven't been overly impressed with him in his last few fights, not just his losses. I know Canelo is treated like a god by some people, but he's very beatable at this stage in his career. A good fighter, don't get me wrong. One of the best, but beatable.

I don't like the reputation that's associated with him being this strong, and all mighty fighter that can't be beat. Obviously, people are more aware of it with his recent loss. The thing is, his last few fights he has shown he hasn't got the tactical advantage he once had, he used to target specific areas of a fighter, and basically weaken them enough. I don't see that as much any more, he basically approaches most fights fundamentally the same, instead of looking to adapt. I think this comes with winning a lot, you end up believing you don't need to adapt, because you're already the champion.

+1 on this, Canelo was treated like a God like, having a cult following and majority thinks that he can't be beaten and he is a perfect boxing. But we saw that if someone is not afraid to go toe to toe with him, have good speed and footwork, you can beat him.

The argument against GGG though is that he is old, but we will not know. that until he step again with Canelo in the ring and see if he doesn't have that punch resistance anymore or slow a bit because he is already 40 years old.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

Probably true, but I think the same could be said for Canelo. I haven't been overly impressed with him in his last few fights, not just his losses. I know Canelo is treated like a god by some people, but he's very beatable at this stage in his career. A good fighter, don't get me wrong. One of the best, but beatable.

I don't like the reputation that's associated with him being this strong, and all mighty fighter that can't be beat. Obviously, people are more aware of it with his recent loss. The thing is, his last few fights he has shown he hasn't got the tactical advantage he once had, he used to target specific areas of a fighter, and basically weaken them enough. I don't see that as much any more, he basically approaches most fights fundamentally the same, instead of looking to adapt. I think this comes with winning a lot, you end up believing you don't need to adapt, because you're already the champion.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

It is true that age is indeed very difficult to deny because it is very influential in determining the winner as well.
Golovkin is a very good fighter but age can't fool anyone here as this will definitely be one of the advantages for Canelo.
The opportunities are very tempting there but on the other hand it is also very risky in my opinion and when you don't want to take risks then being at Canelo is a good choice.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 01, 2022, 08:30:47 AM

Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

I don't think he was change, it's just that Canelo is also a great fighter and in the last fight, Canelo was better than him that's why he lose.

Look at his record, he had only 1 lose and that is only against canelo.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

his record is now 42-1 with 37KO from 42 wins. In fact, he has a better record than Canelo as Canelo has 2 losses already.

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Golovkin isn't the fighter he once was. No matter how you like a fighter to win because of being a fan. Age does matter and play a huge role in boxing or any contact sports. Clearly Canelo will be the favorite to win but hey, the odds of GGG is really tempting especially if you are a huge fan. However, for me one must not let emotions to decide in sports betting and just focus on who has a better chance of winning because we are after the money.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 01, 2022, 05:26:17 AM

Is poll really needed that much ? Current mood of this topic is "GGG is great, but he is old. Canelo is younger, that is why he will win". People will vote for Canelo, but some will place bets on GGG, because real chances of him winning this fight are greater what bookies offer. Dont if poll really helps to get a clear picture. There was a poll in Anthony Joshua vs Olexander Usyk topic. Everyone was voting for Joshua, but Usyk won in a dominant manner. I dont trust poll much Cheesy

First part of your statement is true, but not the last one. I will be making a bet in favor of Golovkin. I agree that Canelo has a better chance of winning. But look at the odds for Golovkin. They are too attractive to ignore. Canelo is not untouchable, as Bivol has already defeated him (and I would say that it was his second real defeat after the first fight was stolen from Golovkin). Golovkin's age is a concern. But given the odds, it is a risk that I am willing to take. Took the risk in the first two fights as well, and I hope that this time I will end up in profit.

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Quote from: Questat on July 01, 2022, 06:08:57 AM

That's right, lots of GGG fans here including me. Grin

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Thanks for the tag, have already put a poll on this thread.

Personally, I'm voting for Canelo to win this fight because of the obvious reason that GGG is old now while Canelo is on the top 5 in my list in the pound-for-pound ranking.

This may not end in a knockout but definitely, GGG will be having a hard time avoiding those power punches of Canelo. Though GGG won in his last fight but it clearly shows that he lost some steps on that night.

1-1 is the standing now,

I voted for GGG because I love the betting odds, he is a big underdog, and knowing that Canelo has not KO him yet, I believe there's a value of my money even if GGG will lose again in this 3rd fight.

Guys, don't forget to vote in the poll so we will have a picture of what posters believe to win this fight.

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Quote from: Questat on July 01, 2022, 06:08:57 AM

That's right, lots of GGG fans here including me. Grin

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Thanks for the tag, have already put a poll on this thread.

Personally, I'm voting for Canelo to win this fight because of the obvious reason that GGG is old now while Canelo is on the top 5 in my list in the pound-for-pound ranking.

This may not end in a knockout but definitely, GGG will be having a hard time avoiding those power punches of Canelo. Though GGG won in his last fight but it clearly shows that he lost some steps on that night.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 01, 2022, 05:08:20 AM

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Quote from: Baofeng on June 29, 2022, 07:59:10 PM

Looking at the current odds:

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Alvarez - 1.21
GGG - 3.95

So that is a huge disparity as far as the odds goes and they seems to really favoring Alvarez here. Maybe the age factor is what this bookies are looking at, GGG just won his last fight, while Canelo lost to Bivol. I think it's a great odds for GGG supporters this early as it is very attractive.

I'm glad that the odds are out already. The odds of GGG is indeed very attractive, I mean, I know he has not won a fight in the last 2 fight against Canelo but that 3.95 is just too much as GGG was not fully dominated in the last 2 fights, so I believe he has a very good chance of winning here by upset.

Yes, it was a good odds for us, it's hard to see crypto bookies putting a odd like that for a great boxer like GGG. But he is facing Canelo, so what can we say.

But as you have said, there is chance for GGG by an upset here. Specially if he found his second win at his age. Great fighters has one good fight in them, and hopefully this will be the one for GGG.

They know what they are doing because it's their job to provide odds for us, however, I am seeing this as an opportunity, so as a bettor, I will take it and believe that GGG will win. Both are great boxers, probably will be a hall of famer as well when they retire, so no one is really an underdog here and bookies could be wrong.

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on July 01, 2022, 05:19:39 AM

How about some survey here?

Please @Op put some poll to vote so we will know what's the majority's choice in this fight.

I'm sure there are also plenty of fans that believe GGG will win the fight, so it's very interesting to know who wins here.

That's right, lots of GGG fans here including me. Grin

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Is poll really needed that much ? Current mood of this topic is "GGG is great, but he is old. Canelo is younger, that is why he will win". People will vote for Canelo, but some will place bets on GGG, because real chances of him winning this fight are greater what bookies offer. Dont if poll really helps to get a clear picture. There was a poll in Anthony Joshua vs Olexander Usyk topic. Everyone was voting for Joshua, but Usyk won in a dominant manner. I dont trust poll much Cheesy

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on July 01, 2022, 05:08:20 AM

Quote from: Questat on July 01, 2022, 04:20:24 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on June 29, 2022, 07:59:10 PM

Looking at the current odds:

ML
Alvarez - 1.21
GGG - 3.95

So that is a huge disparity as far as the odds goes and they seems to really favoring Alvarez here. Maybe the age factor is what this bookies are looking at, GGG just won his last fight, while Canelo lost to Bivol. I think it's a great odds for GGG supporters this early as it is very attractive.

I'm glad that the odds are out already. The odds of GGG is indeed very attractive, I mean, I know he has not won a fight in the last 2 fight against Canelo but that 3.95 is just too much as GGG was not fully dominated in the last 2 fights, so I believe he has a very good chance of winning here by upset.

Yes, it was a good odds for us, it's hard to see crypto bookies putting a odd like that for a great boxer like GGG. But he is facing Canelo, so what can we say.

But as you have said, there is chance for GGG by an upset here. Specially if he found his second win at his age. Great fighters has one good fight in them, and hopefully this will be the one for GGG.

How about some survey here?

Please @Op put some poll to vote so we will know what's the majority's choice in this fight.

I'm sure there are also plenty of fans that believe GGG will win the fight, so it's very interesting to know who wins here.

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