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Well, at least in baseball, GGG has already won a symbolic victory over Canelo with a score of 2:0 at Yankee Stadium, where they went after the press conference, it remains to wait for the fight in the ring, it seems to me that Canelo has more chances there than on the baseball field.
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And you got that right, of course, Canelo has more chances to win against GGG in the ring. He has the advantage against the ready-to-retire GGG and he has to win even on their upcoming trilogy if there's no hype if he wins it because he can't afford to lose for the 2nd time this year but he still should be careful against GGG though because even the man is much older than him, GGG can always upset any opponent he'd face even if that name is Saul Canelo Alvarez.
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Yes, I also think Bivol was robbed of a fair score. But thanks for him dominating the entire fight it was a unanimous decision in his favor. If it was not complete dominance from Bivol, it could have been made a draw, or worse it could have been given to Canelo. Canelo is a favorite among judges. So either you win convincingly or that the fight would be given to Canelo.

I cannot see GGG knocking out Canelo so it has to be a clear win from his side. Otherwise their first match's result might repeat. That first match was really GGG's. The second could be a draw or given to either of them.

One thing that I have noticed for Canelo is that he starts quite well. Even against Golovkin, on both the previous fights he dominated the earlier rounds. Against Bivol, I won't say that he dominated the earlier rounds. IMO, Bivol dominated almost all the rounds. But the difference is that Canelo was competitive against Bivol during the initial rounds, before getting blown away in the later rounds. All that said, scoring is a big concern for me. Why can't we have some AI based mechanical scoring method? Technology has progressed so much.
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Well, at least in baseball, GGG has already won a symbolic victory over Canelo with a score of 2:0 at Yankee Stadium, where they went after the press conference, it remains to wait for the fight in the ring, it seems to me that Canelo has more chances there than on the baseball field.
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Then he has to make sure that he can knockout Canelo so there be no more unfair scoring from the judges. The fight is going to be exciting, this is the last chance of GGG to prove that he really is the better fighter like he believe because if he still lose by the judges scorecards, then I think there's no bias in the last 2 fights.

Nothing to argue. If GGG still loses this fight or if somehow another draw happened, he will be retiring his belt with a loss from Canelo. It's good to see him more aggressive in terms of knocking Canelo down for a better score card. The two past fight gives Canelo edge, though the very first one was a draw and the second one was scored in favor of Alvarez.

We don't know how these fights will end, but fans are waiting for these two heavyweights to exchange solid punches.

Both are good in terms of accepting a solid combo and remain standing. Better luck takers..

That's the best thing to do, retire if he fails again because people will still remember him as a great fighter. Nothing to prove anymore, he already did everything but it's just that Canelo has youth over him and that is his advantage.

I think GGG will still have one fight in his arsenal if ever he will lose to Canelo in the trilogy and maybe that's it. And if the fight goes to distance and another controversy, we might again see another fight. But if Canelo wins in a decisive and resounding way, it's going to be over, Canelo closing the books in their rivalry. So this is very important fight for either of them and we are very exciting to see this fight.

I don't think there will be a 4th fight after their trilogy even if there's another controversy surrounding their fight, a 4th fight is already too much even if their scores will be tied to 1-1-1 in GGG's favor. But if GGG will really happen, I don't know anymore how would Canelo lift himself after getting defeated twice a row. Nevertheless, I believe this will be GGG's last fight but same as yours, mine is also a mere speculation and only GGG can answer that for us.
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.

After this second fight with Canelo, he fought Sergiy Derevyanchenko, then Kamil Szeremeta you can say that argument that he was also hit more than in this fight specially Derevyanchenko but he managed to win by UD and then against Murata although we seen hm take more punches again still he won that fight via TKO. So GGG still holds a better chin that I don't think that even Canelo can break it down.

And again, you can also used your argument against Canelo here, he was hit with volumes by Bivol, a true LHW and with power, does it mean he has been soften up?

Both fighters are good at absorbing those solid punches. They've been tested by many fights from their early careers, the two early fights

ends up with decisions, these two fighters are not willing to fall down, both have strong chin and they know how to use the advantage to

Continue facing their opponent even they've been hit many times. We can only conclude who's going to win after the announcer calls the

name of the winner.



That's why no one would go down because they can absorb the punches thrown against each other, GGG might be older but he still has the stamina to absorb and throw strong punches, so Canelo has to be careful as GGG here is very eager to win to at least win the last possible fight.
No matter what the outcome is, I can still see that GGG can still survive and stand the full 12 rounds against Canelo. For sure GGG have some adjustments because of that Canelo-Bivol fight, he somehow knows what to do but he still should be careful enough as Canelo is still in his prime and so does Canelo because GGG can still give one good punch that could result in his defeat, again in this year.
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I am quite sure that GGG won the first fight. He couldn't win, only because of extremely biased scoring from one out of the three judges (Adalaide Byrd). I think he had a narrow advantage for the second fight, but would have been OK with a draw. In case the trilogy fight doesn't end in KO, then we can expect another round of controversy with the scoring. GGG was not happy with the results from the first two occasions and he made it clear to the media back then. And he will be furious if the same happens this time as well.

I also think that Golovkin won the first fight but it's normal for me that many people think otherwise - after all, boxing has always been a subjective sport. But I don't think that there is any chance that after the third fight the disputes will stop, because now Golovkin is already obviously old, so this fight cannot be compared with the first two. The only possibility would be if Golovkin first declasses Canello in every round and then knocks him out, but even so, Canello fans will come up with some reason to justify such a defeat.
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I still remember the fight against Bivol, I really can't believe it, the Russian is quite a machine, and I think this event triggered many Canelo fans who no longer want to watch his fights because they don't think they have the same emotion, I think. that there could be a lot of emotions if GGG and Canelo had happened long before the fight with Bivol, I think the magic is not the same now, personally I was one of those who wanted that fight to happen, now I don't know, anymore I don't want to, why? rather Inoue is the most sought-after boxer for now, by force of pure knockouts he has earned a great position.


I already posted this once. Bivol has so many similarities with Golovkin (in terms of ethnic background and nationality). And I am sure that this guy has enough talent to become a legend like GGG or Mayweather in the future. I hardly heard about him before his fight with Canelo, but he was amazing to watch. I am eagerly looking forward to his next fight, which is rumored to be against Joshua Buatsi. Canelo vs Bivol 2, if I am not wrong will be staged sometime in mid-2023. But both the fighters need to win their next match, in order to set up this fight.

I beg to disagree, sure Bivol have some similarities with GGG but that doesn't include their ethnicity and nationality because Dmitrii Bivol is a Russian boxer while Gennady Golovkin is a Kazakhstani boxer and both of their parents neither came from the same place or country. Along with their similarities is that they both speak the language of Russia and Kazakhstan. Anyway, enough of their background, let's focus first with this trilogy as Canelo is yet to decide soon if he will indeed pursue a rematch with Bivol after this fight.

I agree, there's not much of a similarities between the two, both maybe are used to the old and traditional way of Eastern European boxing, but that's it.

Still depends on the outcome of this fight, if Canelo won, then he will go and wanted to get his revenge against Bivol. That is if he is willing to still go to light heavyweight because it affected his style and power with that additional weight. Maybe a catch weight of 170 lbs but Bivol can't go down that low.

But yeah, let's wait first, his hands are full here against his rival GGG.

I think that the speculations through his manner and fighting style are very good to know, this greatly helps to decide in the fight at least who to make the bet and have more chance of winning, in the case of Canelo for me, I had a lot of faith in him, in fact I thought that against Bivol I was going to beat him, but I am one of those who think that not every night is one's night, maybe that was not his night and due to luck (maybe) he lost , but I think that Canelo must clear his reputation quickly and he has the opportunity right now, and he has two tasks, the first is to win this fight, which is not easy at all, and the second task is to seek a rematch against Bivol, as simple as that.
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Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.

I am quite sure that GGG won the first fight. He couldn't win, only because of extremely biased scoring from one out of the three judges (Adalaide Byrd). I think he had a narrow advantage for the second fight, but would have been OK with a draw. In case the trilogy fight doesn't end in KO, then we can expect another round of controversy with the scoring. GGG was not happy with the results from the first two occasions and he made it clear to the media back then. And he will be furious if the same happens this time as well.

The first fight is still debatable, Canelo might have taken the early rounds but GGG started to get hot going into the championship round and maybe he did enough to sway the judges in his favor.

Just a theory on my side though, even in the Bivol fight, 115-113? they try to rob Bivol in that fight against Canelo because that's score didn't represent the entirely of the fight. It could be 118-110 on some score cards. So clearly, I would say some judges favored Canelo an if this fight goes to the score card again, not sure how GGG can win it.

Yes, I also think Bivol was robbed of a fair score. But thanks for him dominating the entire fight it was a unanimous decision in his favor. If it was not complete dominance from Bivol, it could have been made a draw, or worse it could have been given to Canelo. Canelo is a favorite among judges. So either you win convincingly or that the fight would be given to Canelo.

I cannot see GGG knocking out Canelo so it has to be a clear win from his side. Otherwise their first match's result might repeat. That first match was really GGG's. The second could be a draw or given to either of them.
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Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.

I am quite sure that GGG won the first fight. He couldn't win, only because of extremely biased scoring from one out of the three judges (Adalaide Byrd). I think he had a narrow advantage for the second fight, but would have been OK with a draw. In case the trilogy fight doesn't end in KO, then we can expect another round of controversy with the scoring. GGG was not happy with the results from the first two occasions and he made it clear to the media back then. And he will be furious if the same happens this time as well.

The first fight is still debatable, Canelo might have taken the early rounds but GGG started to get hot going into the championship round and maybe he did enough to sway the judges in his favor.

Just a theory on my side though, even in the Bivol fight, 115-113? they try to rob Bivol in that fight against Canelo because that's score didn't represent the entirely of the fight. It could be 118-110 on some score cards. So clearly, I would say some judges favored Canelo an if this fight goes to the score card again, not sure how GGG can win it.
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Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.

I am quite sure that GGG won the first fight. He couldn't win, only because of extremely biased scoring from one out of the three judges (Adalaide Byrd). I think he had a narrow advantage for the second fight, but would have been OK with a draw. In case the trilogy fight doesn't end in KO, then we can expect another round of controversy with the scoring. GGG was not happy with the results from the first two occasions and he made it clear to the media back then. And he will be furious if the same happens this time as well.
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Both fighters are good at absorbing those solid punches. They've been tested by many fights from their early careers, the two early fights
ends up with decisions, these two fighters are not willing to fall down, both have strong chin and they know how to use the advantage to
Continue facing their opponent even they've been hit many times. We can only conclude who's going to win after the announcer calls the
name of the winner.

Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.

After this second fight with Canelo, he fought Sergiy Derevyanchenko, then Kamil Szeremeta you can say that argument that he was also hit more than in this fight specially Derevyanchenko but he managed to win by UD and then against Murata although we seen hm take more punches again still he won that fight via TKO. So GGG still holds a better chin that I don't think that even Canelo can break it down.

And again, you can also used your argument against Canelo here, he was hit with volumes by Bivol, a true LHW and with power, does it mean he has been soften up?

I can't take that example as what we need to refer to is their recent fights before the trilogy.

Even though GGG win his previous fight against Murata, he was being dominated in early-round first before taking the Round 9 TKO win. If GGG was in his prime, or let's say post-prime (different from retirement period) he is supposed to dominate Murata the entire fight.

Canelo on other hand, even coming from a loss with Bivol, is fighting in his prime. He is totally different compared to Murata that's why I said that GGG shouldn't allow the same scenario he experience during the early rounds of fighting with Murata.

Honestly, I'm looking for GGG winning the fight as Canelo still has more chance to redeemed himself even he loses here.
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.

After this second fight with Canelo, he fought Sergiy Derevyanchenko, then Kamil Szeremeta you can say that argument that he was also hit more than in this fight specially Derevyanchenko but he managed to win by UD and then against Murata although we seen hm take more punches again still he won that fight via TKO. So GGG still holds a better chin that I don't think that even Canelo can break it down.

And again, you can also used your argument against Canelo here, he was hit with volumes by Bivol, a true LHW and with power, does it mean he has been soften up?

Both fighters are good at absorbing those solid punches. They've been tested by many fights from their early careers, the two early fights

ends up with decisions, these two fighters are not willing to fall down, both have strong chin and they know how to use the advantage to

Continue facing their opponent even they've been hit many times. We can only conclude who's going to win after the announcer calls the

name of the winner.



That's why no one would go down because they can absorb the punches thrown against each other, GGG might be older but he still has the stamina to absorb and throw strong punches, so Canelo has to be careful as GGG here is very eager to win to at least win the last possible fight.
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.

After this second fight with Canelo, he fought Sergiy Derevyanchenko, then Kamil Szeremeta you can say that argument that he was also hit more than in this fight specially Derevyanchenko but he managed to win by UD and then against Murata although we seen hm take more punches again still he won that fight via TKO. So GGG still holds a better chin that I don't think that even Canelo can break it down.

And again, you can also used your argument against Canelo here, he was hit with volumes by Bivol, a true LHW and with power, does it mean he has been soften up?

Both fighters are good at absorbing those solid punches. They've been tested by many fights from their early careers, the two early fights

ends up with decisions, these two fighters are not willing to fall down, both have strong chin and they know how to use the advantage to

Continue facing their opponent even they've been hit many times. We can only conclude who's going to win after the announcer calls the

name of the winner.

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True. This is an old GGG moving up in weight against a prime Canelo. We should not forget that Canelo lost in his last fight because he moved up in weight. He is still undefeated and undisputed in super middleweight. Did Canelo even suffered even a single knockdown in his career? I guess no. When's the last time Canelo got seriously wobbled? Probably against Jose Cotto when he was still a boy? I say there's a big chance Canelo is the one stopping GGG this time.

That would be a big win from him if he could really stop GGG.

Their last two fights are controversial because GGG still believes that the judging was unfair and he does not believe he lose in that fight. By saying stopping, are you referring to Canelo knocking out GGG? If that's what you meant, then we will surely have a very entertaining fight.

Yes. I pick Canelo to knockout this old version of GGG. But of course, I hope I am wrong. I am a huge GGG. Been a fan of him since he was chasing Felix Sturm's WBA belt. I always admire fighters that are championship level despite lesser fights like Lomachenko, Usyk, Inoue, etc.  

Canelo is always favored by the judges ever since. He is probably the only ATG with too many questionable scores like Mayweather, Trout, Lara, GGG 2x, Bivol and many more. Even when he was clearly out pointed by Floyd Mayweather two to one, it was only a majority decision.

Last weekend, another mid to late 30s got knocked out. The ever durable Thai Srisaket Sor Rungvisai. He was the conqueror of then undefeated and then Ring Magazine pound for pound king Chocolatito Gonzales. He joined Donaire. Is GGG next?  

  
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That's the best thing to do, retire if he fails again because people will still remember him as a great fighter. Nothing to prove anymore, he already did everything but it's just that Canelo has youth over him and that is his advantage.

Indeed, there's nothing to prove as he already have this moment inside the ring where he impress his fans, it's just that Canelo have that straight to stand over him and beats him in a judge decisions, but all in GGG's careers, he don't have to dictate his achievement as fans will continue to remember him as one of the tough fighters in his division.

Can't wait to see them both inside the ring and try to put down one another, for the glory of sports and the entertainment of the fans.
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.

After this second fight with Canelo, he fought Sergiy Derevyanchenko, then Kamil Szeremeta you can say that argument that he was also hit more than in this fight specially Derevyanchenko but he managed to win by UD and then against Murata although we seen hm take more punches again still he won that fight via TKO. So GGG still holds a better chin that I don't think that even Canelo can break it down.

And again, you can also used your argument against Canelo here, he was hit with volumes by Bivol, a true LHW and with power, does it mean he has been soften up?
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But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.

GGG received lots of open shots by Murata in the early rounds. That is supposed to be an easy dodge for GGG but still, Murata is able to connect lots of it.

If those punches are much strong, GGG might end up being knocked out. We really see that GGG is now showing signs of slowing down but still, his durability is still strong. I just hope those punches that GGG receives by Murata won't happen here against Canelo. GGG should not allow again being a punching bag at early rounds as Canelo is different from Murata.

It's risky to receive early blows on the early rounds as he might not recover like what he did against Murata.
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He already reached his limitation, he cannot challenge Bivol again, or other champions in a higher division, he just has to stay in a division where he reigns before he will retire, and winning this fight against GGG would be a good comeback from a bad defeat against Bivol.

One loss and already reached his limitation? He can come back again. He just needs to be fully prepared physically and mentally. I think he is too confident that's why he was being surprised by Bivol. Now that he knows how fighting Bivol is, he can ask for a rematch later in the future. But it's not simple as Bivol is chasing titles. Canelo should bring a title of his own first before he can face Bivol again. Bivol is fighting for titles and not to destroy popular names.

Winning against GGG is not a considered comeback too. GGG is old enough. Not any impact if Canelo wins here.

I think we're already past that part where Canelo is too confident against any opponent he'd face especially that he's not that comfortable in light-heavy, we know that he's not like that. The thing is he was surprised and that added weight reduced his speed and makes him readable at times.

We saw how frustrated Canelo on the ring because he don't much against Bivol, well let's see if he's going for a rematch and I hope that rematch won't be a replay.
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Yeah, GGG is always cool in this face off but you can see that he is not intimidated by Canelo. There is mutual respect but you can feel that there is really some hostility between the two. I'm just lost though, the 2 fights where contested in 160 right? GGG best weight, and then this time it will be 168 lbs? so it means this is Canelo's comfortable weight. So we might see the best version of Canelo here against GGG moving up in this weight class.

No personal enmity between the two. But that said, Golovkin has spoken to the media on multiple occasions about his displeasure regarding the scoring. He believe that the first fight was stolen from him, and the scoring for second one was also not fair. And he is further aggrieved by the fact that Canelo refused to fight him immediately after the second fight. GGG wanted a fight in 2019. Anyway, less than three months remain, and I am sure that this fight is going to be the most exciting one we have for the last 1-2 years. 

Then he has to make sure that he can knockout Canelo so there be no more unfair scoring from the judges. The fight is going to be exciting, this is the last chance of GGG to prove that he really is the better fighter like he believe because if he still lose by the judges scorecards, then I think there's no bias in the last 2 fights.

That's easier said than done, we've seen their last two fights and there are instances where GGG is able to hit Canelo with some solid shots but Canelo is still standing. Both fighters can take the power of their respective punches so they can trade punches and that makes the fight more exciting. It's a trilogy (probably the last), so let's expect that they'll give everything they have especially GGG who is trying to win a fight.

Right, solid chin as in the first two fights, we've seen them hitting each other with solid shots and yet no one was even affected and it went to the distance. But then again, we will have to look at the age of GGG if he can still take the much punishment in the hands of Canelo in this 3rd fight. But it seems he looks very fresh in the Murata fight and won the fight hands down, but Canelo was slow at 175 lbs. But we can't say if this is going to be GGG's last fight. Boxers tend to fight just one last fight before they hang up their gloves for real.
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