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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

He humble's himself in the presence of Bivol, but yeah Canelo and Golovkin have beef for each other, but for me, I would rather let Canelo fight Beterbiev than fight Golovkin again, this could end up the same as their recent fights, but if he could face Beterbiev he would likely end up kissing the canvas in the 2nd or 3rd round, but in getting a Golovkin fight this goes to show, that Alvarez Golovkin would likely to erase that loss on his record and that is against Bivol,


The kind of attitude that will engage readers and viewers, especially the fans who's long been waiting for these upcoming fights, seeing them

looks' very aggressive will be a good preview if how the fight will turn to, though we know by the fact that these two

fighters really wanted to win from one another. It's only how they will perform that will decide or conclude who's going to win,

can't wait to see them fighting and trying to throw that solid knockdown punch.

I am rooting for Canelo Alvarez, there are some that do not believe in Ring rust, but Golovkin is now 40, I really think there is no ring rust, there is only old age, and I think this could be Golovkin's last fight, so he better show what he really made of and Alvarez if he wins he better prepare for his rematch with Bivol, because many fans are shouting a rematch, including myself,


Yes you are right that mate and both of these two fighter hatred each other and that's what the fans aiming to watch cause if this fight will come intense and and exciting that's what the fans feel because both fighters give their best to win and for this 3rd fight for them I think there's one fighter will be knockdown because in this fight both fighters give their best to knock down and claim the victory in the end of the fight.

I guess Golovkin really wants to prove himself even further, but for me, it is better for him to retire soon, but if he still wants to fight then I think he can always do what he wants, and he surely knows when to stop, just like what Manny Pacquiao did, he fights even with his old age, and can still prove that he got that speedy punches and footwork, but the thing about him that has changed was the power on his punches he can not Knockout an opponent anymore, he doesn't have the Manila Ice punch that he possesses back then, I think Golovkin has a similar problem aswell when he reached a certain age like Pacquiao,
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One thing that I have noticed for Canelo is that he starts quite well. Even against Golovkin, on both the previous fights he dominated the earlier rounds. Against Bivol, I won't say that he dominated the earlier rounds. IMO, Bivol dominated almost all the rounds. But the difference is that Canelo was competitive against Bivol during the initial rounds, before getting blown away in the later rounds. All that said, scoring is a big concern for me. Why can't we have some AI based mechanical scoring method? Technology has progressed so much.

I'm all in favor of an AI scoring method for boxing. Human judges are so faulty and unfair. Aside from the truth that they cannot be totally objective in making a decision, they're also limited in judging the fight. They're all sitting down low from a particular viewpoint. So they cannot really see all the action. They cannot be fair in their judgement because it is impossible for them to see all the punches and even the entire match from just a single angle.

Agreed regarding AI scoring. But the problem is that a lot of people have come up with such methods, and none of them have been widely accepted in boxing. An example is the Automated Impact Sensing System (AISS) developed by the Australian Institute of Sport. Recent testing found accuracy of more than 90%, but professional boxing needs much more than that. AIBA recently introduced a similar system as well. This is now becoming like a necessity, as talks are ongoing regarding exclusion of boxing from Olympics (due to the scoring issues).
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

This Canelo aggression can play bad for him. I know that he is a profession, but if he fights with such aggression, cold headed GGG can land a nice counter punch. I like GGG behave, always calm and smiling. He is not trying to trash talk or get into opponents mind. That is good quality for a fighter, but bad for promoting event. A lot of people like GGG for his boxing, and hate him for being boring boxer.

Both of them have pros and cons, but I do agree about the thing that Canelo's hot headed will be his disadvantage against GGG because Canelo quite knew that being hot headed will give him a handicap to weigh things correctly in the ring while the latter is at the advantage side as his calmness will give his thinking skills straight amidst the fight.

well, we will see their performance inside the ring few months from now. will this be a redemption for GGG? or will canelo beat him clear and fair? they may do the exchange of words for the sake of publicity, because they need it. but for GGG, this may be his last fight before he hang up the gloves, but for Canelo, this is still one of the many fights that he needs to outperform himself.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

This Canelo aggression can play bad for him. I know that he is a profession, but if he fights with such aggression, cold headed GGG can land a nice counter punch. I like GGG behave, always calm and smiling. He is not trying to trash talk or get into opponents mind. That is good quality for a fighter, but bad for promoting event. A lot of people like GGG for his boxing, and hate him for being boring boxer.

Both of them have pros and cons, but I do agree about the thing that Canelo's hot headed will be his disadvantage against GGG because Canelo quite knew that being hot headed will give him a handicap to weigh things correctly in the ring while the latter is at the advantage side as his calmness will give his thinking skills straight amidst the fight.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.
With the heat of the press conference, of course, the trilogy fight will be hotter and more personal in nature, their frequent attacks of words will certainly make the fight more than just a title fight, their third fight will be an arena for revenge for GGG who in the fight both managed to be defeated by Canelo, I think even though GGG has great anger on canelo but I think Canelo will be able to beat GGG and to keep GGG mouth shut in the ring later.


Where did you get this mate? Grin

GGG was the least aggressive boxer between them and Canelo would always be wanted to look aggressive so that he can be viewed as a better and hungrier fighter. And GGG wasn't defeated in their 1st fight because that was a draw, the second one was his defeat and GGG called for a trilogy afterwards which Canelo rejected.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

The kind of attitude that will engage readers and viewers, especially the fans who's long been waiting for these upcoming fights, seeing them

looks' very aggressive will be a good preview if how the fight will turn to, though we know by the fact that these two

fighters really wanted to win from one another. It's only how they will perform that will decide or conclude who's going to win,

can't wait to see them fighting and trying to throw that solid knockdown punch.
Yes you are right that mate and both of these two fighter hatred each other and that's what the fans aiming to watch cause if this fight will come intense and and exciting that's what the fans feel because both fighters give their best to win and for this 3rd fight for them I think there's one fighter will be knockdown because in this fight both fighters give their best to knock down and claim the victory in the end of the fight.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.


The rest will be determined when they will face each other inside the ring for the 3rd and maybe for the last time. Most likely the fight will end by decisions since those two are veterans when it comes to surviving throughout the rounds no matter how good their opponents would be. I guess even though they aren't like their prime selves, they will gonna give us the most exciting fight this year. We already have plenty of good fights so far and this one is the most exciting since everyone is dreaming to see the trilogy between these two best figures.
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Yes, I also think Bivol was robbed of a fair score. But thanks for him dominating the entire fight it was a unanimous decision in his favor. If it was not complete dominance from Bivol, it could have been made a draw, or worse it could have been given to Canelo. Canelo is a favorite among judges. So either you win convincingly or that the fight would be given to Canelo.

I cannot see GGG knocking out Canelo so it has to be a clear win from his side. Otherwise their first match's result might repeat. That first match was really GGG's. The second could be a draw or given to either of them.

One thing that I have noticed for Canelo is that he starts quite well. Even against Golovkin, on both the previous fights he dominated the earlier rounds. Against Bivol, I won't say that he dominated the earlier rounds. IMO, Bivol dominated almost all the rounds. But the difference is that Canelo was competitive against Bivol during the initial rounds, before getting blown away in the later rounds. All that said, scoring is a big concern for me. Why can't we have some AI based mechanical scoring method? Technology has progressed so much.

I'm all in favor of an AI scoring method for boxing. Human judges are so faulty and unfair. Aside from the truth that they cannot be totally objective in making a decision, they're also limited in judging the fight. They're all sitting down low from a particular viewpoint. So they cannot really see all the action. They cannot be fair in their judgement because it is impossible for them to see all the punches and even the entire match from just a single angle.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

This Canelo aggression can play bad for him. I know that he is a profession, but if he fights with such aggression, cold headed GGG can land a nice counter punch. I like GGG behave, always calm and smiling. He is not trying to trash talk or get into opponents mind. That is good quality for a fighter, but bad for promoting event. A lot of people like GGG for his boxing, and hate him for being boring boxer.
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With the heat of the press conference, of course, the trilogy fight will be hotter and more personal in nature, their frequent attacks of words will certainly make the fight more than just a title fight, their third fight will be an arena for revenge for GGG who in the fight both managed to be defeated by Canelo, I think even though GGG has great anger on canelo but I think Canelo will be able to beat GGG and to keep GGG mouth shut in the ring later.
Lol there's no anger from GGG, actually he's smiling and didn't get intimidated by angry Canelo. There's a clip where GGG got mad, but it's not have relation with Canelo, honestly when GGG is mad, then there's something wrong since he's not a guy who want to prove anything, he's really 100% good person. I think he know or should know, there's no more fourth fight if he's lose on the trilogy, so he will accept anything with any result on this match.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.
With the heat of the press conference, of course, the trilogy fight will be hotter and more personal in nature, their frequent attacks of words will certainly make the fight more than just a title fight, their third fight will be an arena for revenge for GGG who in the fight both managed to be defeated by Canelo, I think even though GGG has great anger on canelo but I think Canelo will be able to beat GGG and to keep GGG mouth shut in the ring later.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

Just the typical Canelo, he wanted to impose himself as the better fighter and if he hears insults and trash talk, he resolved it through pushing and punching. But Bivol? he can't intimidate the guy because he is bigger than him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

They will definitely translate their hatred towards each other in the ring. GGG will have still a good fight inside of him and it's better be on Canelo in their trilogy.

And one thing I noticed is that even if Canelo is coming from a lost, there are still a lot of hype in this fight.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.

The kind of attitude that will engage readers and viewers, especially the fans who's long been waiting for these upcoming fights, seeing them

looks' very aggressive will be a good preview if how the fight will turn to, though we know by the fact that these two

fighters really wanted to win from one another. It's only how they will perform that will decide or conclude who's going to win,

can't wait to see them fighting and trying to throw that solid knockdown punch.
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^^ Canelo though looks very angry at his every opponent, but against Bivol though, there seems to be no trash talk but look at what happen to him.

But we can' compare the two, I know it, and Canelo and GGG really hate each other that even at the start of the press conference, you can see dislike. And the feeling is mutual, although GGG seems to be subdue but for sure we want to get his win against Canelo.
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I have not read much of the discussions of this thread and this is my first reply. Forgive me if this question has been asked before, however, does anyone speculate that Canelo might be accepting this fight very early after his loss vs. Bivol? GGG should not be very underestimated for this because it also appears that Bivol gave him the tactic to defeat Canelo. GGG also does not look like an old man in the ring with the wins after the loss to Canelo hehe.

Even prior to the Bivol fight, Canelo has already agreed to fight GGG anyway. And it just so happen that he lost to Bivol. But as I have said, this is already made so Canelo can't back up. I don't think it's early though. I mean this fight should have been made years go after the second fight. But Canelo didn't want to and he was like waiting for GGG to reach 40. Although GGG looks sharp against Murata. The blue print is already there, it's that Canelo's opponent seems to be mystified when they face him. Bivol didn't and uses all his physical advantages to beat Canelo. I don't think that GGG has any advantage though.

However, they were planning the trilogy vs. GGG having the assumption that Canelo would win against Bivol. Also having the assumption that Canelo will be having full of confidence. I am not very sure how Canelo feels today but there were pictures of him in a casino gambling and drunk after the loss. I speculate his mind might not be there 100% for this trilogy. Canelo will win, however, it might not be very easy as everyone expects.

Probably Canelo just wanted to have some fun and get out the lost out of his mind, but I don't think he is a gambler per se. But I do agree that they assumed that Canelo will win against Bivol, even Bivol says sorry for derailing all the plans. But after Canelo's lost, the fight with GGG will continue and I think Canelo is focused on this as we can see on the press conference video. Both seems to be very confident though. But I'm not going to bet this early, I will wait till the weigh-in.

I am not speculating that Canelo will certainly lose, however, it appears that it is GGG's chance of getting the victory which is the one that is very underestimated, I reckon. I am also not betting this early. I will wait for rounds betting. This might be over or under 10.5 rounds or lower which the sportsbooks might favor under hehe. GGG will fight until round 12, I reckon.

The intense look on their face tells me that a knockout is coming Cool,

I like the way GGG is smiling to Canelo even Canelo is so serious during the staredown, this looks like GGG is already prepared anything and not afraid fighting with Canelo for the third times. It's funny how GGG switch from thumb up hand poses to boxer poses, he probably forgot this is boxing event lol. Not really sure why Canelo look so serious to GGG, perhaps this is because he lose against Bivol.

In press conferences, GGG should joke about Canelo's loss to make him much angrier hehehehe.
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True, they would love to rob Bivol that night, unfortunately, Bivol was too good to be denied a win against the prime Canelo at 175 lbs. so in a close fight, judges are going to favor the cash cow and WBC Sulaiman's favorite.

Canelo though seems to be ego centric since he started to clean up the 168 lbs division. And during face off, he throws a lot of insult to his opponents. So definitely, if GGG can shut his mouth for good in this fight, the better.

One thing that favored Bivol during his fight is the previous controversy with Canelo vs Golovkin and Canelo vs Golovkin 2. The jury were afraid that the media would go ballistic if they rob Bivol of the match. Controversies like this are very frequent in sports where scoring is done in a manual basis. During the Tokyo Olympics, there was huge controversy after Israel won gold in rhythmic gymnastics. The only long term solution is to come up with a mechanical scoring system which will eliminate the personal bias.

Maybe that was at the back of their heads, but it still raises some eyebrows when the final score was announced. Even trainer like Teddy Atlas was surprised to see how close the score was. To that point that I agree with @Fundamentals Of, he was still robbed of the score. But since they can't give it to Canelo, they have to make the score close as possible. But it doesn't look good to us because the score should not be that close.
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Canelo owned the judges on those 2 fights. Just an assumption for me but it's clear GGG won 2 of their previous meeting. There will be no massive demand by most boxing fans to make the trilogy happen if there's no question about Canelo winning the second meeting.

GGG is just even silent because he knows what really happened.

I like GGG to give Canelo another to make his mouth shut. Just recently, Canelo trash talk GGG but the latter didn't respond. What bad behavior from Canelo.

I am quite sure that GGG won the first fight. He couldn't win, only because of extremely biased scoring from one out of the three judges (Adalaide Byrd). I think he had a narrow advantage for the second fight, but would have been OK with a draw. In case the trilogy fight doesn't end in KO, then we can expect another round of controversy with the scoring. GGG was not happy with the results from the first two occasions and he made it clear to the media back then. And he will be furious if the same happens this time as well.

The first fight is still debatable, Canelo might have taken the early rounds but GGG started to get hot going into the championship round and maybe he did enough to sway the judges in his favor.

Just a theory on my side though, even in the Bivol fight, 115-113? they try to rob Bivol in that fight against Canelo because that's score didn't represent the entirely of the fight. It could be 118-110 on some score cards. So clearly, I would say some judges favored Canelo an if this fight goes to the score card again, not sure how GGG can win it.

Yes, I also think Bivol was robbed of a fair score. But thanks for him dominating the entire fight it was a unanimous decision in his favor. If it was not complete dominance from Bivol, it could have been made a draw, or worse it could have been given to Canelo. Canelo is a favorite among judges. So either you win convincingly or that the fight would be given to Canelo.

Thanks, I thought I was the only one who saw that the judges is trying to robbed Bivol by not giving a fair score. I look at the score card and they gave Canelo the first 4 rounds, that's absurb.

I cannot see GGG knocking out Canelo so it has to be a clear win from his side. Otherwise their first match's result might repeat. That first match was really GGG's. The second could be a draw or given to either of them.

But it's going to be very hard for GGG, he really need to have a clear point victory every round for the judges to give him the score. Otherwise, highway robbery again for him just like in the first fight wherein majority see that GGG winning by at least 2 points.
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True, they would love to rob Bivol that night, unfortunately, Bivol was too good to be denied a win against the prime Canelo at 175 lbs. so in a close fight, judges are going to favor the cash cow and WBC Sulaiman's favorite.

Canelo though seems to be ego centric since he started to clean up the 168 lbs division. And during face off, he throws a lot of insult to his opponents. So definitely, if GGG can shut his mouth for good in this fight, the better.

One thing that favored Bivol during his fight is the previous controversy with Canelo vs Golovkin and Canelo vs Golovkin 2. The jury were afraid that the media would go ballistic if they rob Bivol of the match. Controversies like this are very frequent in sports where scoring is done in a manual basis. During the Tokyo Olympics, there was huge controversy after Israel won gold in rhythmic gymnastics. The only long term solution is to come up with a mechanical scoring system which will eliminate the personal bias.
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Just a theory on my side though, even in the Bivol fight, 115-113? they try to rob Bivol in that fight against Canelo because that's score didn't represent the entirely of the fight. It could be 118-110 on some score cards. So clearly, I would say some judges favored Canelo an if this fight goes to the score card again, not sure how GGG can win it.

I remember reading the article that if only Canelo shows a close fight against Bivol, he might end up winning the judge's score.

But since Bivol cornered Canelo in most rounds that whatever manipulation attempt will do, it won't help Canelo, there is no choice but to give Bivol a win which is no doubt, he clearly won the fight without a question. Canelo got frustrated during the fight and Bivol takes advantage of it.

In my own personal interest, I also like GGG winning the match to shut down Canelo's mouth where recently he throws bad words against GGG.

True, they would love to rob Bivol that night, unfortunately, Bivol was too good to be denied a win against the prime Canelo at 175 lbs. so in a close fight, judges are going to favor the cash cow and WBC Sulaiman's favorite.

Canelo though seems to be ego centric since he started to clean up the 168 lbs division. And during face off, he throws a lot of insult to his opponents. So definitely, if GGG can shut his mouth for good in this fight, the better.
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Just a theory on my side though, even in the Bivol fight, 115-113? they try to rob Bivol in that fight against Canelo because that's score didn't represent the entirely of the fight. It could be 118-110 on some score cards. So clearly, I would say some judges favored Canelo an if this fight goes to the score card again, not sure how GGG can win it.

I remember reading the article that if only Canelo shows a close fight against Bivol, he might end up winning the judge's score.

But since Bivol cornered Canelo in most rounds that whatever manipulation attempt will do, it won't help Canelo, there is no choice but to give Bivol a win which is no doubt, he clearly won the fight without a question. Canelo got frustrated during the fight and Bivol takes advantage of it.

In my own personal interest, I also like GGG winning the match to shut down Canelo's mouth where recently he throws bad words against GGG.
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