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Nghitumbwabis the underdog in this match up. If it is just stats and experience, Riel Casimero has the advantage for sure. But what seems to be interesting is their fighting strategies wherein both are not knockout machines and both prefer taking time to secure the win. I wouldn't personally bet on this one 'coz I am not really familiar with Casimero's opponent aside from his win-loss record. But this is just to give my insight with this match up. Both are orthodox boxers which is what we often see. Most likely, the outcome would be through unanimous decision given that none of them are really agressive inside the ring, unless changes would be made. Would still be a mtch up which is interesting.

I seldom speculated a fight to not reach the distance but with this fight, I'm putting my money that this fight will not reach seven rounds. Casimero will go all out here to impress his fans and promoter and putting this opponent to sleep is the target which is very possible because of his opponent's lack of experience.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

What I think even if he win on this match he can't still successfully acquire the attention of Inoue's promoter to deal with up with him and negotiate about their fight. If they want to do it well they set it up before but many notice that they are avoiding and choose to fight another opponent.

Maybe he need to get more win on big fights so that they cannot escape if they challenge Inoue and fans commentary about they want to make this fight to happen.

I agree, and if he loses, it will have a much worse outcome for Casimero as well... But I also think that for the new guy, Nghitumbwa, if he wins he will have an amazing opportunity to gain the interest of some big name promoters but if he loses, then that might be able to put a damper on his career although perhaps it is a win win situation for him because he has nothing much to lose, unlike Casimero. If Casimero loses against a no-name thats pretty much a death sentence to him ever getting the attention of Inoue's promoter.
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As a boxer then you should really be having this kind of mindset on which winning up on every match which is been thrown to you because no matter how you would be longing for a certain fighter but your performance or record doesnt really match up then its impossible that you would really be able to make that fight happen. Of course promoters or the organization would definitely going in line on the rules and match set ups
according on what division you are in and if its really that mandatory or something that been suggested or been inlined. This is why it is really better to focus
on whatever matches that would be arranged up along the way.
I agree to you mate, for it doesn't really matter if he will go against not so well-known boxer if he really wants to improve his record and also widen his experience, as what we can see Casimero's opponent has a lot of potential he has a good number of KO and doesn't have any loses. Maybe he is not yet known very well in this place but soon enough after this match whether he will win or he will lose he will get the attention of other promoters .
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Nghitumbwabis the underdog in this match up. If it is just stats and experience, Riel Casimero has the advantage for sure. But what seems to be interesting is their fighting strategies wherein both are not knockout machines and both prefer taking time to secure the win. I wouldn't personally bet on this one 'coz I am not really familiar with Casimero's opponent aside from his win-loss record. But this is just to give my insight with this match up. Both are orthodox boxers which is what we often see. Most likely, the outcome would be through unanimous decision given that none of them are really agressive inside the ring, unless changes would be made. Would still be a mtch up which is interesting.
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Just baby steps for Casimero starting in this fight and I think he will be good in this division. Inoue on the other hand has his hands full with Fulton and maybe the other champion in this division.

They might take a different path, but if Inoue win against Fulton then all roads lead to him. So Casimero will have to win every fight moving forward starting here. And he should fight big name after this one so that he will be recognized by the governing body as a potential mandatory fighter for Inoue in the future. So still there is a big chance for him to face Inoue as this is the fight that he wanted since bantamweight.
We could assume that it was an easy fight for Casimero, unlike the way we think if he fights against Inoue. But it looks like their path is too long to cross but fans are waiting.

But in this fight of Casimero against a not known boxer, it is something it won't help to bring him closer to a big fight but just drop it down. We don't know of their plan but honestly, it is more interesting to witness his fight if he faces known boxers in his current division, unlike this which was just like an easy game for him(in my opinion).

He just need to keep fighting each time there's a schedule fight for him, from that he might attract or gain
the interest of every potential promoter to bring him to a good matchup.

Nothing that he can do about that as he moves to this new division without holding any belt, so there's no way for him to get any privilege

Just enjoy the upcoming fight and wait for the next one..
As a boxer then you should really be having this kind of mindset on which winning up on every match which is been thrown to you because no matter how you would be longing for a certain fighter but your performance or record doesnt really match up then its impossible that you would really be able to make that fight happen. Of course promoters or the organization would definitely going in line on the rules and match set ups
according on what division you are in and if its really that mandatory or something that been suggested or been inlined. This is why it is really better to focus
on whatever matches that would be arranged up along the way.
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Just baby steps for Casimero starting in this fight and I think he will be good in this division. Inoue on the other hand has his hands full with Fulton and maybe the other champion in this division.

They might take a different path, but if Inoue win against Fulton then all roads lead to him. So Casimero will have to win every fight moving forward starting here. And he should fight big name after this one so that he will be recognized by the governing body as a potential mandatory fighter for Inoue in the future. So still there is a big chance for him to face Inoue as this is the fight that he wanted since bantamweight.
We could assume that it was an easy fight for Casimero, unlike the way we think if he fights against Inoue. But it looks like their path is too long to cross but fans are waiting.

But in this fight of Casimero against a not known boxer, it is something it won't help to bring him closer to a big fight but just drop it down. We don't know of their plan but honestly, it is more interesting to witness his fight if he faces known boxers in his current division, unlike this which was just like an easy game for him(in my opinion).

He just need to keep fighting each time there's a schedule fight for him, from that he might attract or gain
the interest of every potential promoter to bring him to a good matchup.

Nothing that he can do about that as he moves to this new division without holding any belt, so there's no way for him to get any privilege

Just enjoy the upcoming fight and wait for the next one..
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Just baby steps for Casimero starting in this fight and I think he will be good in this division. Inoue on the other hand has his hands full with Fulton and maybe the other champion in this division.

They might take a different path, but if Inoue win against Fulton then all roads lead to him. So Casimero will have to win every fight moving forward starting here. And he should fight big name after this one so that he will be recognized by the governing body as a potential mandatory fighter for Inoue in the future. So still there is a big chance for him to face Inoue as this is the fight that he wanted since bantamweight.
We could assume that it was an easy fight for Casimero, unlike the way we think if he fights against Inoue. But it looks like their path is too long to cross but fans are waiting.

But in this fight of Casimero against a not known boxer, it is something it won't help to bring him closer to a big fight but just drop it down. We don't know of their plan but honestly, it is more interesting to witness his fight if he faces known boxers in his current division, unlike this which was just like an easy game for him(in my opinion).
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I don't rule out the fight between Inoue and Casimero this year when they beat their respective fighters in dramatic and dominant ways, talks will resume about their rivalry, remember both fighters have heated arguments that Casimero started if only Casimero did not lose the title because of the weight issue.  
We are in the first quarter of the year and it will be profitable and good for both fighters' careers and the community as well if they will go for each other, some people think Casimero does not deserve to be Inoue's challenger how will this be for a three-division world champion and haven't loss big fights for the last five years.

Casimero had own set of rules in his game. He do whatever he feels comfortable to win, sometimes he used his own strategy to win the opponent. The strategy of Casimero was fight till the enemy accepts his victory. Most probably Casimero do the stamina based fight, if the opponent loss his stamina. Then he will not ready to the reverse punch. So the opponent lose his all stamina and start to admits him to loss.Now we are in first quarter of the year,most of funds will be move to crypto currency field. Casimero doesn’t have any loss of match in recent years. So this will be the best opportunity for him to make some good win from their investment. The match between Casimero and Nghitumbwa is not an equal match. Most of the gamblers here will know, the Winner of this game is Casimero and not Nghitumbwa.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

What I think even if he win on this match he can't still successfully acquire the attention of Inoue's promoter to deal with up with him and negotiate about their fight. If they want to do it well they set it up before but many notice that they are avoiding and choose to fight another opponent.

Maybe he need to get more win on big fights so that they cannot escape if they challenge Inoue and fans commentary about they want to make this fight to happen.

It depends on the status of Casimero because Inoue's fight with Fulton is a championship fight. If Inoue wins, he will become a champion, and therefore Casimero needs to be either a top contender or a champion as well in order for Inoue to agree to unify their belts.

However, it's still too early to talk about that. What Casimero has to do is to continue fighting and continue winning. Eventually, he will get to that stage, assuming that Inoue is not avoiding him.

Just baby steps for Casimero starting in this fight and I think he will be good in this division. Inoue on the other hand has his hands full with Fulton and maybe the other champion in this division.

They might take a different path, but if Inoue win against Fulton then all roads lead to him. So Casimero will have to win every fight moving forward starting here. And he should fight big name after this one so that he will be recognized by the governing body as a potential mandatory fighter for Inoue in the future. So still there is a big chance for him to face Inoue as this is the fight that he wanted since bantamweight.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

What I think even if he win on this match he can't still successfully acquire the attention of Inoue's promoter to deal with up with him and negotiate about their fight. If they want to do it well they set it up before but many notice that they are avoiding and choose to fight another opponent.

Maybe he need to get more win on big fights so that they cannot escape if they challenge Inoue and fans commentary about they want to make this fight to happen.

It depends on the status of Casimero because Inoue's fight with Fulton is a championship fight. If Inoue wins, he will become a champion, and therefore Casimero needs to be either a top contender or a champion as well in order for Inoue to agree to unify their belts.

However, it's still too early to talk about that. What Casimero has to do is to continue fighting and continue winning. Eventually, he will get to that stage, assuming that Inoue is not avoiding him.

Inoue will became more higher to reach if he win against Fulton so Casimero really need to get a big wins coming from various top contender so that he became a relevant choice for Inoue's camp. But let's forget about Inoue for a while since for now their fight is seems impossible to happen and he need to focus on his training to get a good win against his K.O artist opponent.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

What I think even if he win on this match he can't still successfully acquire the attention of Inoue's promoter to deal with up with him and negotiate about their fight. If they want to do it well they set it up before but many notice that they are avoiding and choose to fight another opponent.

Maybe he need to get more win on big fights so that they cannot escape if they challenge Inoue and fans commentary about they want to make this fight to happen.

It depends on the status of Casimero because Inoue's fight with Fulton is a championship fight. If Inoue wins, he will become a champion, and therefore Casimero needs to be either a top contender or a champion as well in order for Inoue to agree to unify their belts.

However, it's still too early to talk about that. What Casimero has to do is to continue fighting and continue winning. Eventually, he will get to that stage, assuming that Inoue is not avoiding him.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

What I think even if he win on this match he can't still successfully acquire the attention of Inoue's promoter to deal with up with him and negotiate about their fight. If they want to do it well they set it up before but many notice that they are avoiding and choose to fight another opponent.

Maybe he need to get more win on big fights so that they cannot escape if they challenge Inoue and fans commentary about they want to make this fight to happen.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.

This is a cherry pick for fight for Casimero, so he will have to win this fight, otherwise the potential fight for Inoue or anyone in the division will not happen and it will life difficult for Casimero because he will have to start from scratch again.

So this is a big fight for him and maybe he feel some pressure in the beginning because he wants to show his local fans his boxing skills.

Nevertheless, as he warm enough in the first couple of rounds, I'm expecting a old version of Casimero that is going to score a knockout or maybe the referee stopping the fight because he has put to much damage to Nghitumbwa.
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Just announced a few hours ago that Johnriel Casimero will be fighting against an unknown opponent (at least to many) and his name is Fillipus Nghitumbwa. Per below boxing record, his resume is not impressive so i think this will be a walk in the park for Quadro Alas.

This fight may not be so exciting to some users here but for us coming from the PH, Quadro Alas fighting in his country is a big thing as we seldom see him fight in the PH when he become a world champion.

Nghitumbwa for his part has not fought on foreign land and he got not much experience with only 13 fights but still hoping that he could give Casimero a competitive fight.

What do you guys think of this fight?


I think that if you are going to list stats you might as well list the stats of both fighters so people can compare, don't you think?

Casimero stats:

Total fights   36
Wins                   32
Wins by KO   22
Losses           4

I have never heard of Nghitumbwa before and I would not bet on some no-name with a mediocre boxing record, especially when up against someone like Casimero, who has proven himself time and time again. I am going to be watching the match with interest and keeping an eye on the new guy though. He might have some potential if he actually wins this fight. Lets see what happens.

Well, since you started on listing Casimero's stats. I'll finish it by listing Nghitumbwa's stats as well.

As per boxrec.com, Filipus Nghitumbwa aka Energy

Total Fights:      13
Wins:                12
Wins by KO:      11
KO rate:           84.62%
Losses:             1

Nghitumbwa might have a decent record but most of his fights are just fought locally where he will also face an unknown boxer like him and if we compare it to Casimero's records deeply, this unknown boxer doesn't have any exposures with good names in the industry and that is a huge plus for Casimero because aside from the experience, he also got the IQ needed to gain another advantage inside the ring.
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OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

Update:  my bad I think I still have an April fools day hang up on me but still the date should be May 13 not May 3

Thanks for the heads up mate.

Will change the title reflecting the final date of the fight now.

Per interview of Casimero here in Cebu, there is an ongoing negotiation for him to fight Inoue this December, heard it directly on his mouth so this might be true or maybe another April Fools act hehe

Yes, that came right from his mouth and hopefully that's true though because we all know that we wanted it ever since the both of them are still on their previous weight class. Anyway, let's tackle about that sometime in the future as that's not yet sure, what we have now in-front of us is the real deal and John Riel Casimero really needed this in his favor to lift his position in the ladder.

Don't be deceived about that news as you guys have already knew that it is not yet sure that it will indeed happen this coming December of 2023. Both camps haven't released any statements regarding about that bout nor an article was released that it was actually rumored because both camps are starting their discussion behind closed doors.

We all know that both of them still have their own respective fights to finish and that means that both of them are still busy preparing for it, other than that, the fate of that fight is also relying on the outcome of their respective fights. So, my take is that it is safe to assume that there are no ongoing discussions on both camps.
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@goldkingcoiner, agree with you mate that stats could help some users here to have some understanding or idea about this relatively unknown opponent of Casimero, I'll just update the OP if I have the time as I'm busy at the moment IRL,

I don't think that there will be an upset here because such thing could derail the plan of Casimero's promoter of him having a big fight in the near future, this will be an easy fight for him.
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Just announced a few hours ago that Johnriel Casimero will be fighting against an unknown opponent (at least to many) and his name is Fillipus Nghitumbwa. Per below boxing record, his resume is not impressive so i think this will be a walk in the park for Quadro Alas.

This fight may not be so exciting to some users here but for us coming from the PH, Quadro Alas fighting in his country is a big thing as we seldom see him fight in the PH when he become a world champion.

Nghitumbwa for his part has not fought on foreign land and he got not much experience with only 13 fights but still hoping that he could give Casimero a competitive fight.

What do you guys think of this fight?


I think that if you are going to list stats you might as well list the stats of both fighters so people can compare, don't you think?

Casimero stats:

Total fights   36
Wins                   32
Wins by KO   22
Losses           4

I have never heard of Nghitumbwa before and I would not bet on some no-name with a mediocre boxing record, especially when up against someone like Casimero, who has proven himself time and time again. I am going to be watching the match with interest and keeping an eye on the new guy though. He might have some potential if he actually wins this fight. Lets see what happens.
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OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

Update:  my bad I think I still have an April fools day hang up on me but still the date should be May 13 not May 3

Thanks for the heads up mate.

Will change the title reflecting the final date of the fight now.

Per interview of Casimero here in Cebu, there is an ongoing negotiation for him to fight Inoue this December, heard it directly on his mouth so this might be true or maybe another April Fools act hehe

Yes, that came right from his mouth and hopefully that's true though because we all know that we wanted it ever since the both of them are still on their previous weight class. Anyway, let's tackle about that sometime in the future as that's not yet sure, what we have now in-front of us is the real deal and John Riel Casimero really needed this in his favor to lift his position in the ladder.
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By the way, guys, WBA and IBF champion Murdojon Akhmadaliev will defend his belts this weekend on DAZN against Marlon Tapales. Casimero might face the winner of this fight or the Inoue-Fulton winner by next year.
 

It would be better if Casimero faces the winner of that fight. If he wins, he can then face the winner of the Inoue vs. Fulton fight. That way, Casimero's wish to face Inoue for a unification belt will be granted. I really hope this happens as Casimero has missed out on many opportunities in his career and deserves a big fight.

Wow, if that will happen for sure, that will be the biggest dream fight Casimero will ever have in this new division. Just imagine
if Inoue will take Fulton and destiny direct both Inoue and Casimero inside the ring.

For sure, it will be what the fans will really love to see, those previous trash talks that didn't materialize due to the un-strip of Casimero's belt.

They will be able to continue that here if fate will allow them, adding to that maybe it's much exciting to see if both Inoue and Casimero
have the belts to unify it all.
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By the way, guys, WBA and IBF champion Murdojon Akhmadaliev will defend his belts this weekend on DAZN against Marlon Tapales. Casimero might face the winner of this fight or the Inoue-Fulton winner by next year.
 

I don't rule out the fight between Inoue and Casimero this year when they beat their respective fighters in dramatic and dominant ways, talks will resume about their rivalry, remember both fighters have heated arguments that Casimero started if only Casimero did not lose the title because of the weight issue.  
We are in the first quarter of the year and it will be profitable and good for both fighters' careers and the community as well if they will go for each other, some people think Casimero does not deserve to be Inoue's challenger how will this be for a three-division world champion and haven't loss big fights for the last five years.
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