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I have no expectations from Casimero's opponent because he is an unknown fighter, but I am more interested in how Casimero will deliver an impressive win. However, as you said, Casimero should not be careless and underestimate his opponent. If the result is not in his favor, it could potentially affect his future journey. Remember that he wants to be a champion again, and the only way for that to happen is if he keeps winning fights.

That's true, but let's hope that Nghitumbwa will not be a different fighter in the ring. His records indicate that he is an aggressive fighter, but sometimes boxers change their style when they face a superior opponent. This fight is going to be entertaining, and we are expecting to see Casimero face a challenging fight. So, Nghitumbwa better live up to that challenge.
I hope he does not change his style radically, after all the moment he does he is already admitting that he cannot beat his opponent with his main style and strength, and if that is the case then how can he expect to beat Casimero if he will need to use a completely different strategy than what he usually uses? Now some minor adjustments are fine, but a radical adjustment spells doom for most boxers, no matter how skilled and talented they are.
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I have no expectations from Casimero's opponent because he is an unknown fighter, but I am more interested in how Casimero will deliver an impressive win. However, as you said, Casimero should not be careless and underestimate his opponent. If the result is not in his favor, it could potentially affect his future journey. Remember that he wants to be a champion again, and the only way for that to happen is if he keeps winning fights.

That's true, but let's hope that Nghitumbwa will not be a different fighter in the ring. His records indicate that he is an aggressive fighter, but sometimes boxers change their style when they face a superior opponent. This fight is going to be entertaining, and we are expecting to see Casimero face a challenging fight. So, Nghitumbwa better live up to that challenge.

Let's see, I'm expecting that Nghitumbwa might give Casimero a good fight in the early part of the fight, maybe 1-3 rounds and then Casimero taking over and potentially knockout him out in the middle rounds.

And with that, I do agree that I'm also interested on Casimero, against Akaho we see some of his power. However, Akaho was not a game opponent and just quit because he is afraid of the power of Casimero. But this time, I'm expecting Casimero to blast him with and score a knockout win.
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I have no expectations from Casimero's opponent because he is an unknown fighter, but I am more interested in how Casimero will deliver an impressive win. However, as you said, Casimero should not be careless and underestimate his opponent. If the result is not in his favor, it could potentially affect his future journey. Remember that he wants to be a champion again, and the only way for that to happen is if he keeps winning fights.

That's true, but let's hope that Nghitumbwa will not be a different fighter in the ring. His records indicate that he is an aggressive fighter, but sometimes boxers change their style when they face a superior opponent. This fight is going to be entertaining, and we are expecting to see Casimero face a challenging fight. So, Nghitumbwa better live up to that challenge.
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Getting the pace and trying out to observe on 1st round is something a very common or normal for a boxer to do on which trying out to observe on what his stance and trying out to cope up if ever they would
be dominated on a certain key area.Its been mentioned that Nghitumbwa is a knock out artist? For sure Casimero's camp is fully aware to that and might really already
preparing for some nasty counter if ever there would be a chance on having those crossing punches but of course we cant really be able to
conclude out but its true that if Casimero would lost into this one then it would be more hard for him to reach up and take some fight against Inoue.

The essence of preparing for the fight is what both camps are dealing with right now. They both try to analyze and assess
if what kind of counter and attack that they need to apply during the fight.

I see your point where Casimero and his camp deal with how they can beat their opponents. They need not to careless here.

The actual executions of any preparation will be showcase on the fight sate, let see how good both fighters will going to be in trying
to win the fight.

I have no expectations from Casimero's opponent because he is an unknown fighter, but I am more interested in how Casimero will deliver an impressive win. However, as you said, Casimero should not be careless and underestimate his opponent. If the result is not in his favor, it could potentially affect his future journey. Remember that he wants to be a champion again, and the only way for that to happen is if he keeps winning fights.
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Getting the pace and trying out to observe on 1st round is something a very common or normal for a boxer to do on which trying out to observe on what his stance and trying out to cope up if ever they would
be dominated on a certain key area.Its been mentioned that Nghitumbwa is a knock out artist? For sure Casimero's camp is fully aware to that and might really already
preparing for some nasty counter if ever there would be a chance on having those crossing punches but of course we cant really be able to
conclude out but its true that if Casimero would lost into this one then it would be more hard for him to reach up and take some fight against Inoue.

The essence of preparing for the fight is what both camps are dealing with right now. They both try to analyze and assess
if what kind of counter and attack that they need to apply during the fight.

I see your point where Casimero and his camp deal with how they can beat their opponents. They need not to careless here.

The actual executions of any preparation will be showcase on the fight sate, let see how good both fighters will going to be in trying
to win the fight.
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Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Should be a warm-up fight for Casimero. If he loses here, say goodbye to his goal of becoming a world champion again.

Nghitumbwa is nowhere within top rankings and recognized boxers. If Casimero will struggle against him, what's more to the top ranked boxers.

Casimero just neeeds again to impress the boxing fans with a good KO win. If he do that, WBO might moved up him in rankings to at least Top 5.

I see this fight the same way. Nghitumbwa should be a great matchup for him if he goes toe to toe. Nghitumbwa is a knockout artist himself, which means he relies on his power a lot to win. This also means he'll be an aggressive fighter, something we haven't seen in Casimero's opponents in a while.

Not a good idea to fight toe to toe with a knockout artist since he might be in danger to get hit by solid punch of Nghitumbwa. He should out smart his opponent since if he play cool and take Nghitumbwa easy maybe he will get a problem if this fighter step up then totally dominate him on their match. Casimero need to finish this fight as early as he can so that he can get an impressive win which is totally needed by him.

He need to win this fight because this can catch some attention of promoters and fans to make him relevant on the fight he want to get.

Casimero's camp needs to plan this fight, with his usual strategy to observe his opponent first before deciding to go all in,
something that may surprise Nghitumbwa.

But like what you have said, it's also dangerous if he will go toe-to-toe against a known solid puncher. One mistake and a solid combination hit
him chance that he may lose his balance or chance that he may suffer a KO.

It will test his maturity and how well he will analyze and take his opponent. He needs to win with a convincing and entertaining
way to impress the fans and the whole boxing community to earn a ticket for a much bigger fight.
Getting the pace and trying out to observe on 1st round is something a very common or normal for a boxer to do on which trying out to observe on what his stance and trying out to cope up if ever they would
be dominated on a certain key area.Its been mentioned that Nghitumbwa is a knock out artist? For sure Casimero's camp is fully aware to that and might really already
preparing for some nasty counter if ever there would be a chance on having those crossing punches but of course we cant really be able to
conclude out but its true that if Casimero would lost into this one then it would be more hard for him to reach up and take some fight against Inoue.
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Casimero's camp needs to plan this fight, with his usual strategy to observe his opponent first before deciding to go all in,
something that may surprise Nghitumbwa.
It would not surprise me if Inoue studies how Casimero fights. I would only be surprised if he does not follow the game plan, as Casimero is good at sticking to his game plan and making sure he comes out as the winner in the end.

But like what you have said, it's also dangerous if he will go toe-to-toe against a known solid puncher. One mistake and a solid combination hit
him chance that he may lose his balance or chance that he may suffer a KO.

It will test his maturity and how well he will analyze and take his opponent. He needs to win with a convincing and entertaining
way to impress the fans and the whole boxing community to earn a ticket for a much bigger fight.

As a professional boxer and a champion, Casimero already knows the risks involved in a fight, and he will not engage in a toe-to-toe battle if he feels the power of his opponent and thinks that he needs to respect it. In that case, he will make adjustments and use his quickness to gain the advantage.
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Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Should be a warm-up fight for Casimero. If he loses here, say goodbye to his goal of becoming a world champion again.

Nghitumbwa is nowhere within top rankings and recognized boxers. If Casimero will struggle against him, what's more to the top ranked boxers.

Casimero just neeeds again to impress the boxing fans with a good KO win. If he do that, WBO might moved up him in rankings to at least Top 5.

I see this fight the same way. Nghitumbwa should be a great matchup for him if he goes toe to toe. Nghitumbwa is a knockout artist himself, which means he relies on his power a lot to win. This also means he'll be an aggressive fighter, something we haven't seen in Casimero's opponents in a while.

Not a good idea to fight toe to toe with a knockout artist since he might be in danger to get hit by solid punch of Nghitumbwa. He should out smart his opponent since if he play cool and take Nghitumbwa easy maybe he will get a problem if this fighter step up then totally dominate him on their match. Casimero need to finish this fight as early as he can so that he can get an impressive win which is totally needed by him.

He need to win this fight because this can catch some attention of promoters and fans to make him relevant on the fight he want to get.

Casimero's camp needs to plan this fight, with his usual strategy to observe his opponent first before deciding to go all in,
something that may surprise Nghitumbwa.

But like what you have said, it's also dangerous if he will go toe-to-toe against a known solid puncher. One mistake and a solid combination hit
him chance that he may lose his balance or chance that he may suffer a KO.

It will test his maturity and how well he will analyze and take his opponent. He needs to win with a convincing and entertaining
way to impress the fans and the whole boxing community to earn a ticket for a much bigger fight.
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Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Should be a warm-up fight for Casimero. If he loses here, say goodbye to his goal of becoming a world champion again.

Nghitumbwa is nowhere within top rankings and recognized boxers. If Casimero will struggle against him, what's more to the top ranked boxers.

Casimero just neeeds again to impress the boxing fans with a good KO win. If he do that, WBO might moved up him in rankings to at least Top 5.

I see this fight the same way. Nghitumbwa should be a great matchup for him if he goes toe to toe. Nghitumbwa is a knockout artist himself, which means he relies on his power a lot to win. This also means he'll be an aggressive fighter, something we haven't seen in Casimero's opponents in a while.

Not a good idea to fight toe to toe with a knockout artist since he might be in danger to get hit by solid punch of Nghitumbwa. He should out smart his opponent since if he play cool and take Nghitumbwa easy maybe he will get a problem if this fighter step up then totally dominate him on their match. Casimero need to finish this fight as early as he can so that he can get an impressive win which is totally needed by him.

He need to win this fight because this can catch some attention of promoters and fans to make him relevant on the fight he want to get.
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Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Should be a warm-up fight for Casimero. If he loses here, say goodbye to his goal of becoming a world champion again.

Nghitumbwa is nowhere within top rankings and recognized boxers. If Casimero will struggle against him, what's more to the top ranked boxers.

Casimero just neeeds again to impress the boxing fans with a good KO win. If he do that, WBO might moved up him in rankings to at least Top 5.

I see this fight the same way. Nghitumbwa should be a great matchup for him if he goes toe to toe. Nghitumbwa is a knockout artist himself, which means he relies on his power a lot to win. This also means he'll be an aggressive fighter, something we haven't seen in Casimero's opponents in a while.
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Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Should be a warm-up fight for Casimero. If he loses here, say goodbye to his goal of becoming a world champion again.

Nghitumbwa is nowhere within top rankings and recognized boxers. If Casimero will struggle against him, what's more to the top ranked boxers.

Casimero just neeeds again to impress the boxing fans with a good KO win. If he do that, WBO might moved up him in rankings to at least Top 5.
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Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.

Surely Casimero isn't the type of boxer that always feels confident in an actual fight. As much as possible, he's even trying to pulverize his opponent as much as he can. Regardless if Nghitumbwa is known or not, Casimero will have the same approach which is to take down his opponent and win in a convincing way.

Casimero is currently on the goal of climbing the rankings in order to be included again in the contender's discussion.

That's the reason why he needs to aggressively KO every one of his opponents, to be recognized.
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For that to happen, Nghitumbwa should gather all the luck in the world and bring it on that fight just to make Casimero kneel down or worse, kiss the canvass because if he's not that lucky then I think it is already safe to assume that his fate is already predicted as there's no way he can upset the former champion, Casimero. I mean, we surely can weigh the difference of their power just by looking at their records and this Nghitumbwa still haven't got any good calibers in his record that he defeated.

All that Nghitumbwa defeated were his neighbors in his place they said hehe. Even though the former had some power but i think this would not be enough to bring down Casimero. He is not used to fighting in a foreign land which would be a big factor because you will not be comfortable with a hostile crowd plus the fact that the judges here would be biased toward Casimero because this is his fight. 

If you look at the vlogs of Casimero where they post some of their training/jogging, it seems that Team Casimero is so relaxed and has no pressure at all, this is a good sign for me going into this tune-up fight.
As I said before, it will be the experience that will give Casimero the upper hand in this fight.
Some boxers can be rattled the first they are around big lights and this is where Casimero should take advantage with. The time while Nghitumbwa is still getting used to the big crowd.

It's true his camp is relaxed but I don't see him being lazy about his training, that truly is a good sign for the upcoming fight, but I do wonder if they are also going to use the same strategy as they did with Tete.
I just realized now that there's also a title on the line. WBO Global Super Bantamweight is being held by Nghitumbwa.
Im not really that so convinced that Nghitumbwa would really be having that kind of crowd pressure considering that he held that belt then its impossible that he isnt really get used to big crowd.
You wouldnt really be able to achieve up such state or condition if you do easily get rattled when ever you do able to encounter this kind of ambiance which it is unlikely would be an issue.
Speaking about experience then Casimero is really on edge but he shouldnt really be that confident when it comes to this because we know that upsets
could really fucked you up hard if you are really that careless.
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For that to happen, Nghitumbwa should gather all the luck in the world and bring it on that fight just to make Casimero kneel down or worse, kiss the canvass because if he's not that lucky then I think it is already safe to assume that his fate is already predicted as there's no way he can upset the former champion, Casimero. I mean, we surely can weigh the difference of their power just by looking at their records and this Nghitumbwa still haven't got any good calibers in his record that he defeated.

All that Nghitumbwa defeated were his neighbors in his place they said hehe. Even though the former had some power but i think this would not be enough to bring down Casimero. He is not used to fighting in a foreign land which would be a big factor because you will not be comfortable with a hostile crowd plus the fact that the judges here would be biased toward Casimero because this is his fight. 

If you look at the vlogs of Casimero where they post some of their training/jogging, it seems that Team Casimero is so relaxed and has no pressure at all, this is a good sign for me going into this tune-up fight.
As I said before, it will be the experience that will give Casimero the upper hand in this fight.
Some boxers can be rattled the first they are around big lights and this is where Casimero should take advantage with. The time while Nghitumbwa is still getting used to the big crowd.

It's true his camp is relaxed but I don't see him being lazy about his training, that truly is a good sign for the upcoming fight, but I do wonder if they are also going to use the same strategy as they did with Tete.
I just realized now that there's also a title on the line. WBO Global Super Bantamweight is being held by Nghitumbwa.
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For that to happen, Nghitumbwa should gather all the luck in the world and bring it on that fight just to make Casimero kneel down or worse, kiss the canvass because if he's not that lucky then I think it is already safe to assume that his fate is already predicted as there's no way he can upset the former champion, Casimero. I mean, we surely can weigh the difference of their power just by looking at their records and this Nghitumbwa still haven't got any good calibers in his record that he defeated.

All that Nghitumbwa defeated were his neighbors in his place they said hehe. Even though the former had some power but i think this would not be enough to bring down Casimero. He is not used to fighting in a foreign land which would be a big factor because you will not be comfortable with a hostile crowd plus the fact that the judges here would be biased toward Casimero because this is his fight.  

We might think that Nghitumbwa is not a dangerous opponent for Casimero but just like what @harizen stated, a boxer can be KO'ed anytime if a lucky punch hit him.  Lucky punch is considered a  heavy punch that can renders the opponent unable to continue the fight.  Nghitumbwa has an impressive KO record, whether it is his neighbor or households that got KO'ed by him, it is obvious that Nghitumbwa  punches have stings.

If you look at the vlogs of Casimero where they post some of their training/jogging, it seems that Team Casimero is so relaxed and has no pressure at all, this is a good sign for me going into this tune-up fight.

Obviously, if the training is light, we can see how relaxed a boxer is but if it is intensive training, we can see how serious their faces is.  After all a person's facial expression depends on how hard the activity is.

if Casimero's camp won't have a well-prepared training plan, even if his opponent doesn't have big name yet, he can easily lose this fight. as with his current standing, he should take every fight seriously as he needs to grind again to revive his popularity and to get at least a belt under his name.
when it comes to vlogs, we are not seeing their 24/7 preparation. so i won't judge them too quickly. he may be showing a different side as compared to what is their real prep. casimero is in his home turf, so i don't know anymore reasons if he failed this bid.
if he will lose this again, maybe, time to re-assess his priorities when it comes to boxing career.
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For that to happen, Nghitumbwa should gather all the luck in the world and bring it on that fight just to make Casimero kneel down or worse, kiss the canvass because if he's not that lucky then I think it is already safe to assume that his fate is already predicted as there's no way he can upset the former champion, Casimero. I mean, we surely can weigh the difference of their power just by looking at their records and this Nghitumbwa still haven't got any good calibers in his record that he defeated.

All that Nghitumbwa defeated were his neighbors in his place they said hehe. Even though the former had some power but i think this would not be enough to bring down Casimero. He is not used to fighting in a foreign land which would be a big factor because you will not be comfortable with a hostile crowd plus the fact that the judges here would be biased toward Casimero because this is his fight. 

We might think that Nghitumbwa is not a dangerous opponent for Casimero but just like what @harizen stated, a boxer can be KO'ed anytime if a lucky punch hit him.  Lucky punch is considered a  heavy punch that can renders the opponent unable to continue the fight.  Nghitumbwa has an impressive KO record, whether it is his neighbor or households that got KO'ed by him, it is obvious that Nghitumbwa  punches have stings.

If you look at the vlogs of Casimero where they post some of their training/jogging, it seems that Team Casimero is so relaxed and has no pressure at all, this is a good sign for me going into this tune-up fight.

Obviously, if the training is light, we can see how relaxed a boxer is but if it is intensive training, we can see how serious their faces is.  After all a person's facial expression depends on how hard the activity is.
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For that to happen, Nghitumbwa should gather all the luck in the world and bring it on that fight just to make Casimero kneel down or worse, kiss the canvass because if he's not that lucky then I think it is already safe to assume that his fate is already predicted as there's no way he can upset the former champion, Casimero. I mean, we surely can weigh the difference of their power just by looking at their records and this Nghitumbwa still haven't got any good calibers in his record that he defeated.

All that Nghitumbwa defeated were his neighbors in his place they said hehe. Even though the former had some power but i think this would not be enough to bring down Casimero. He is not used to fighting in a foreign land which would be a big factor because you will not be comfortable with a hostile crowd plus the fact that the judges here would be biased toward Casimero because this is his fight. 

If you look at the vlogs of Casimero where they post some of their training/jogging, it seems that Team Casimero is so relaxed and has no pressure at all, this is a good sign for me going into this tune-up fight.
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No need for him to rush things out because he might get surprised by the opponents waiting for him at the top if he won't get himself accustomed first. The likes of Inoue, Fulton and Murodjon won't get themselves attached to someone like Casimero because doesn't have any reputation yet built at 122 that's why he should make a statement on this fight so that he can aim on the interim belt holders.
Yeah Casimero is nothing at super bantamweight division, he need to fight at least 2-3 and it should be at top 10 boxers in super bantamweight division, so he can take a challenge with top 3 or 4 for interim belt.

We still don't know what's the next path Casimero will do if he win this fight, some boxers sometime tend to move to the next weight or lower his weight without any clear reason. If he think super bantamweight is too much for him, he may back to bantamweight again.

That is the goal for now, first is defeat Nghitumbwa for a clear reason because he is blocking the way towards the upper bracket and then after that, Casimero should at least fight another opponent before this year of 2023 ends. He still got a lot of time to rest after this bout as this is scheduled in May, so after 2-3 months of rest while considering that he's not that seriously damaged on this bout, he should fight another opponent for a year ender so that he can improve his standing.
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A trashtalk by Casimero seems also his way to make himself hype at the fight.

There is no other reason why Casimero trashtalk his opponent but to put more hype and interest to his upcoming fight.  Hopefully it is effective in getting the attention of viewers.

For all the trashtalk that Casimero needs, in fairness, he is able to show that he is not just by words but can send a big statement once he fights.

Casimero just needs to throw his trash talk in not considered below the belt to make things not worst.

That is what I like wit Casimero, he walk the talk.  If ever he trashtalk his opponent, he make sure that he can prove that he has the right to trashtalk.  Though I agree that he needs limitation but I think it is somehow hard since the trashtalk to be successful it needs to be personal.



That's right he also needs to control his emotions when he is with the media because they can actually manipulate his statement whenever they want. He needs to focus on the fight first and also not be carried away when he wins it because whenever he wins a fight, he seems comfortable trash-talking anyone, and mostly his words are not suitable for his current state of fame. because the fans seem taking it badly from him especially those who don't want to see him at the top.

I believe Casimero knows what he is doing when it comes to trastalking.  If ever you noticed, Casimero is either angry or irritated when he trashtalk but rather he is grinning as sign of provocation.  With that, I think Casimero is in control of his emotion.
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A trashtalk by Casimero seems also his way to make himself hype at the fight.
For all the trashtalk that Casimero needs, in fairness, he is able to show that he is not just by words but can send a big statement once he fights.
Casimero just needs to throw his trash talk in not considered below the belt to make things not worst.

That's right he also needs to control his emotions when he is with the media because they can actually manipulate his statement whenever they want. He needs to focus on the fight first and also not be carried away when he wins it because whenever he wins a fight, he seems comfortable trash-talking anyone, and mostly his words are not suitable for his current state of fame. because the fans seem taking it badly from him especially those who don't want to see him at the top.
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