[Boxing] Casimero vs Nghitumbwa (May 13) - page 12.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on April 06, 2023, 08:33:19 AM

By the way, guys, WBA and IBF champion Murdojon Akhmadaliev will defend his belts this weekend on DAZN against Marlon Tapales. Casimero might face the winner of this fight or the Inoue-Fulton winner by next year.

It would be better if Casimero faces the winner of that fight. If he wins, he can then face the winner of the Inoue vs. Fulton fight. That way, Casimero's wish to face Inoue for a unification belt will be granted. I really hope this happens as Casimero has missed out on many opportunities in his career and deserves a big fight.

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When I first heard this, I was laughing because this seems like an inexperienced fighter with a good record in order to hype the fight. But at the same time, it is fine because I do not want to see Casimero becoming inactive if he is really serious about becoming a world champion again. And then I checked the 4 sanctioning bodies of boxing, the WBO is actually ranking Filipus Nghitumbwa as #10 which means this is an opportunity for Casimero to move up in rankings especially in the WBO if he is able to dispose of this Namibian in an impressive fashion.

So far Casimero is ranked WBO #5, WBC #8, and IBF #14. Nghitumbwa is WBO #10 and WBC #25. If all goes well, Casimero should be able to get his title shot next year for a chance to become a 4 division champion.

By the way, guys, WBA and IBF champion Murdojon Akhmadaliev will defend his belts this weekend on DAZN against Marlon Tapales. Casimero might face the winner of this fight or the Inoue-Fulton winner by next year.

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Quote from: Botnake on April 06, 2023, 07:26:13 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on April 06, 2023, 04:05:43 AM

The thing with Casimero though is that we are not used to see such trash talking from a Filipino and maybe this what made him specially for us. Yeah, he can back it up, but if he wants to become a champion again, he need to win and knock Nghitumbwa out and again, send the message that he is going after whoever the champion is.

That's his style, and it's okay to see a boxer with that kind of trash-talking style. As you mentioned, he can back up his statements, which is one of the reasons why he is an exciting fighter to watch. Winning this fight shouldn't be difficult for Casimero, as his opponent is ranked low and not a well-known fighter. So, we can expect him to win. I'm more concerned about his future fights, especially his championship fight.

In boxing, it's important to have your own style. If people take notice of you, it means your style is effective. It's a business, you need people to know you so they will be aware of your fights and potentially be interested in watching, whether it's to see you win or lose. At the very least, you will earn money from them.

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 06, 2023, 04:05:43 AM

The thing with Casimero though is that we are not used to see such trash talking from a Filipino and maybe this what made him specially for us. Yeah, he can back it up, but if he wants to become a champion again, he need to win and knock Nghitumbwa out and again, send the message that he is going after whoever the champion is.

That's his style, and it's okay to see a boxer with that kind of trash-talking style. As you mentioned, he can back up his statements, which is one of the reasons why he is an exciting fighter to watch. Winning this fight shouldn't be difficult for Casimero, as his opponent is ranked low and not a well-known fighter. So, we can expect him to win. I'm more concerned about his future fights, especially his championship fight.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 05, 2023, 11:11:23 PM

Quote from: harizen on April 02, 2023, 07:41:57 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 02, 2023, 05:37:51 PM

Having that attitude affects the performance of Casimero and his reputation, his team should really teach him to focus on his trainings instead of making trash talks, we actually don’t know if this is part of their promotional strategy or this is the real Casimero. Anyway, having this march next month can be a good opportunity for him again to get back on track, I can see a good match up here, Casimero have more chance here to win if be focuses more on his strategy.

In fairness though, Casimero can back up his trash talk. Regardless if it's part of the marketing or promotional strategy, he's not just pure trash-talking but giving proof in the actual boxing match. Might be arrogant to others and not good to see but he's really like that since then.

As long as it's not "below the belt", I think there's no problem with it.

If a boxer can actually follow through and backup their trash talking then technically it is not longer trash talking and they are just stating the truth, Ali was probably not only one of the greatest boxers we have ever seen but he was also a great trash talker, so I am not against boxers behaving this way, however if they engage in thrash talking and they lose and then they keep doing the same, then I can admit that I will not take them seriously anymore.

For sure, if you act more than you speak then it's reality and that's how fans wanted to see this fight, aiming to see more action than words it's okay to throw some trash words just to make sure you can support it with your actions.

Failure to do it will push fans to leave you and start ruining your career, better to keep enhancing
and making sure that you'll be able to delight your fans not just by words but with the entertainment
that they'll going to have when watching you fighting.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 05, 2023, 11:11:23 PM

Quote from: harizen on April 02, 2023, 07:41:57 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 02, 2023, 05:37:51 PM

Having that attitude affects the performance of Casimero and his reputation, his team should really teach him to focus on his trainings instead of making trash talks, we actually don’t know if this is part of their promotional strategy or this is the real Casimero. Anyway, having this march next month can be a good opportunity for him again to get back on track, I can see a good match up here, Casimero have more chance here to win if be focuses more on his strategy.

In fairness though, Casimero can back up his trash talk. Regardless if it's part of the marketing or promotional strategy, he's not just pure trash-talking but giving proof in the actual boxing match. Might be arrogant to others and not good to see but he's really like that since then.

As long as it's not "below the belt", I think there's no problem with it.

If a boxer can actually follow through and backup their trash talking then technically it is not longer trash talking and they are just stating the truth, Ali was probably not only one of the greatest boxers we have ever seen but he was also a great trash talker, so I am not against boxers behaving this way, however if they engage in thrash talking and they lose and then they keep doing the same, then I can admit that I will not take them seriously anymore.

you will lose your respect to the boxer with that kind of attitude. as they can't back-up what they are claiming to be. so if i am casimero, right now, there's no need to trash talk as he has a lot to prove because he is being behind from his contemporary boxers like inoue. though some are creating noise for the reason that they want to sell the fight. however, just take for example, pacquiao, did he trash talk his opponents? i don't remember any. if he stated something before, that's what he really felt but not because his over-exaggerating things.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 05, 2023, 11:11:23 PM

Quote from: harizen on April 02, 2023, 07:41:57 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 02, 2023, 05:37:51 PM

Having that attitude affects the performance of Casimero and his reputation, his team should really teach him to focus on his trainings instead of making trash talks, we actually don’t know if this is part of their promotional strategy or this is the real Casimero. Anyway, having this march next month can be a good opportunity for him again to get back on track, I can see a good match up here, Casimero have more chance here to win if be focuses more on his strategy.

In fairness though, Casimero can back up his trash talk. Regardless if it's part of the marketing or promotional strategy, he's not just pure trash-talking but giving proof in the actual boxing match. Might be arrogant to others and not good to see but he's really like that since then.

As long as it's not "below the belt", I think there's no problem with it.

If a boxer can actually follow through and backup their trash talking then technically it is not longer trash talking and they are just stating the truth, Ali was probably not only one of the greatest boxers we have ever seen but he was also a great trash talker, so I am not against boxers behaving this way, however if they engage in thrash talking and they lose and then they keep doing the same, then I can admit that I will not take them seriously anymore.

But still though, it's trash talking and that's what sell the fights. Boxers like Floyd or Conor for instance, once they open their mouth in a press conference, it's usually some bad mouthing that you can hear and fans love that.

The thing with Casimero though is that we are not used to see such trash talking from a Filipino and maybe this what made him specially for us. Yeah, he can back it up, but if he wants to become a champion again, he need to win and knock Nghitumbwa out and again, send the message that he is going after whoever the champion is.

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Quote from: harizen on April 02, 2023, 07:41:57 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on April 02, 2023, 05:37:51 PM

Having that attitude affects the performance of Casimero and his reputation, his team should really teach him to focus on his trainings instead of making trash talks, we actually don’t know if this is part of their promotional strategy or this is the real Casimero. Anyway, having this march next month can be a good opportunity for him again to get back on track, I can see a good match up here, Casimero have more chance here to win if be focuses more on his strategy.

In fairness though, Casimero can back up his trash talk. Regardless if it's part of the marketing or promotional strategy, he's not just pure trash-talking but giving proof in the actual boxing match. Might be arrogant to others and not good to see but he's really like that since then.

As long as it's not "below the belt", I think there's no problem with it.

If a boxer can actually follow through and backup their trash talking then technically it is not longer trash talking and they are just stating the truth, Ali was probably not only one of the greatest boxers we have ever seen but he was also a great trash talker, so I am not against boxers behaving this way, however if they engage in thrash talking and they lose and then they keep doing the same, then I can admit that I will not take them seriously anymore.

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We might hear more about it after the fight against Nghitumbwa, else, if there's none to come out meaning to say that he might just use that route to promote his fight and to bring audience attentions.

All he needs to do for now is to win this fight via TKO or KO if he could because he hasn't been getting real good fights since he fought Guillermo Rigondeaux and he is delayed too much because of some disqualifications before the fight. Thankfully he got the win in his last fight after a review by the Korea Boxing Member Commission if not, then his career is not looking good at the moment. He needs this kind of exposure and does his thing again to catch the fans' attention and somehow will get his chance to be Inoue's next opponent.

If Casimero's opponent is prepared to withstand his power punches, we may see a KO victory. However, we should not underestimate his opponent, despite being relatively unknown. He has a high KO percentage, which is sure to present a tough challenge for Casimero. So if Casimero wins this fight, it will significantly boost his career as his ranking will improve. This would open up the possibility of a championship fight for him in the near future.

Even if we can say for now that Casimero has all the advantage still he's camp shouldn't take this one as easy fight for them. Remember that there's something like this happen before and many thought that Pacquaio will dominate Ugas but it didn't happen, but rather Ugas totally dominate Pacquaio at that fight so Casimero need to be more prepared for this to avoid the same like scenario since Nghitumbwa is also dangerous opponent to fight on.

That's a valid point, as Ugas has proven himself to be a worthy challenger and has already fought popular fighters in the past. However, I believe that Casimero should not be complacent and should maintain the same rigorous training or even intensify it to ensure he stays in shape and potentially secures an impressive KO win.

And regarding his popularity, it still exists but it's different when a boxer is no longer a champion.

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Quote from: Botnake on April 05, 2023, 07:46:13 AM

Quote from: yazher on April 05, 2023, 06:34:40 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 05, 2023, 12:11:52 AM

We might hear more about it after the fight against Nghitumbwa, else, if there's none to come out meaning to say that he might just use that route to promote his fight and to bring audience attentions.

All he needs to do for now is to win this fight via TKO or KO if he could because he hasn't been getting real good fights since he fought Guillermo Rigondeaux and he is delayed too much because of some disqualifications before the fight. Thankfully he got the win in his last fight after a review by the Korea Boxing Member Commission if not, then his career is not looking good at the moment. He needs this kind of exposure and does his thing again to catch the fans' attention and somehow will get his chance to be Inoue's next opponent.

If Casimero's opponent is prepared to withstand his power punches, we may see a KO victory. However, we should not underestimate his opponent, despite being relatively unknown. He has a high KO percentage, which is sure to present a tough challenge for Casimero. So if Casimero wins this fight, it will significantly boost his career as his ranking will improve. This would open up the possibility of a championship fight for him in the near future.

Even if we can say for now that Casimero has all the advantage still he's camp shouldn't take this one as easy fight for them. Remember that there's something like this happen before and many thought that Pacquaio will dominate Ugas but it didn't happen, but rather Ugas totally dominate Pacquaio at that fight so Casimero need to be more prepared for this to avoid the same like scenario since Nghitumbwa is also dangerous opponent to fight on.

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Quote from: yazher on April 05, 2023, 06:34:40 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on April 05, 2023, 12:11:52 AM

We might hear more about it after the fight against Nghitumbwa, else, if there's none to come out meaning to say that he might just use that route to promote his fight and to bring audience attentions.

All he needs to do for now is to win this fight via TKO or KO if he could because he hasn't been getting real good fights since he fought Guillermo Rigondeaux and he is delayed too much because of some disqualifications before the fight. Thankfully he got the win in his last fight after a review by the Korea Boxing Member Commission if not, then his career is not looking good at the moment. He needs this kind of exposure and does his thing again to catch the fans' attention and somehow will get his chance to be Inoue's next opponent.

If Casimero's opponent is prepared to withstand his power punches, we may see a KO victory. However, we should not underestimate his opponent, despite being relatively unknown. He has a high KO percentage, which is sure to present a tough challenge for Casimero. So if Casimero wins this fight, it will significantly boost his career as his ranking will improve. This would open up the possibility of a championship fight for him in the near future.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 05, 2023, 12:11:52 AM

We might hear more about it after the fight against Nghitumbwa, else, if there's none to come out meaning to say that he might just use that route to promote his fight and to bring audience attentions.

All he needs to do for now is to win this fight via TKO or KO if he could because he hasn't been getting real good fights since he fought Guillermo Rigondeaux and he is delayed too much because of some disqualifications before the fight. Thankfully he got the win in his last fight after a review by the Korea Boxing Member Commission if not, then his career is not looking good at the moment. He needs this kind of exposure and does his thing again to catch the fans' attention and somehow will get his chance to be Inoue's next opponent.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 04, 2023, 04:40:45 PM

~~OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go~~ Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

Update: my bad I think I still have an April fools day hang up on me but still the date should be May 13 not May 3

Thanks for the heads up mate.

Will change the title reflecting the final date of the fight now.

Per interview of Casimero here in Cebu, there is an ongoing negotiation for him to fight Inoue this December, heard it directly on his mouth so this might be true or maybe another April Fools act hehe

We might hear more about it after the fight against Nghitumbwa, else, if there's none to come out meaning to say that he might just use that route to promote his fight and to bring audience attentions.

Might be true or also might be another April fool's act, but if ever that the negotiations are really on its way
for sure fans who love to see him and Inoue inside the ring will bring more hypes to this possible fight to
take place.

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Quote from: Saisher on April 04, 2023, 04:40:45 PM

~~OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go~~ Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

Update: my bad I think I still have an April fools day hang up on me but still the date should be May 13 not May 3

Thanks for the heads up mate.

Will change the title reflecting the final date of the fight now.

Per interview of Casimero here in Cebu, there is an ongoing negotiation for him to fight Inoue this December, heard it directly on his mouth so this might be true or maybe another April Fools act hehe

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 04, 2023, 06:06:41 PM

It's not that we are underestimating Nghitumbwa here, but we all know how good was Casimero is in the last couple of years specially when he become the champion at 118 lbs. It's just that we didn't witnessed him and Inoue, nevertheless, we might see them in fight in the future if he can win big here.

Inoue and Casimero deserve each other both are thinking and powerful puncher, and both know their strength and make the necessary adjustment to apply them, I like how Casimero think inside the ring he sizes up his opponent, negotiate the distance, feel the power of his opponent and when he sums it up he goes for the best strategy to beat his opponent, one good example is his fight against Tete, Casimero is so calm, collected and confident that he can beat Tete

Here is the full fight and see how Casimero thinks inside the ring

Zolani Tete v Johnriel Casimero full fight replay | Powerful third-round stoppage!

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Quote from: Saisher on April 04, 2023, 04:40:45 PM

OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

We are still in April mate, so we still have a full month before this fight and not 8 days. But I do agree that the date will need to be change to May 13 as this is the official date. Everyone is expecting that Casimero will show his talent and tools here and score a big knockout against his opponent. As we have been discussing, he needs to make a statement win here against a relatively unknown fighter in Nghitumbwa.

It's not that we are underestimating Nghitumbwa here, but we all know how good was Casimero is in the last couple of years specially when he become the champion at 118 lbs. It's just that we didn't witnessed him and Inoue, nevertheless, we might see them in fight in the future if he can win big here.

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~~OP @bisdak40 should change the date on the title, it's not May 3 it's May 13 people may think that the fight is over when it's still 8 days to go~~ Casimero is all hype on this fight he wants to give his local fans something they will really enjoy, his last four fights are held abroad and last time he fought in the Philippines was in 2019 so I expect Casimero to knock Nghitumbwa to please the local fans its part of his comeback fight to regain the title if he is serious in his weight management he will be champion again.

Update: my bad I think I still have an April fools day hang up on me but still the date should be May 13 not May 3

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2023, 01:25:36 AM

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 02, 2023, 05:37:51 PM

Having that attitude affects the performance of Casimero and his reputation, his team should really teach him to focus on his trainings instead of making trash talks, we actually don’t know if this is part of their promotional strategy or this is the real Casimero. Anyway, having this march next month can be a good opportunity for him again to get back on track, I can see a good match up here, Casimero have more chance here to win if be focuses more on his strategy.

In fairness though, Casimero can back up his trash talk. Regardless if it's part of the marketing or promotional strategy, he's not just pure trash-talking but giving proof in the actual boxing match. Might be arrogant to others and not good to see but he's really like that since then.

As long as it's not "below the belt", I think there's no problem with it.

Agreed, Casimero has shown himself to be a true warrior by fighting in different countries and winning most of his fights. When he makes a prediction to knock out his opponent, he usually follows through on it, unless his opponent becomes defensive and only fights to survive the 12 rounds.

Casimero is aware that there's still a lot of work to be done to reach the top, but he continues to fight in his own style, entertaining his fans in the process. As he continues to dominate, it's not surprising that he'll gain even more followers in the future.

Not going to argue with you about that as I don't have any doubts about his talents as well.

I may a bit biased towards him because he's my fellow countryman but believe me, this man's dedication is outstanding especially when he's serious. Apart from that, the fact that he is redeeming himself now to climb towards the upper bracket makes him more dangerous, IMO. If he will continue to have 1-2 successive fights this year, he might find himself fighting against a champion next year.

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Quote from: stadus on April 04, 2023, 02:21:55 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 04, 2023, 02:10:09 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2023, 01:25:36 AM

[Casimero is aware that there's still a lot of work to be done to reach the top, but he continues to fight in his own style, entertaining his fans in the process. As he continues to dominate, it's not surprising that he'll gain even more followers in the future.

And to remind us about how he can be an entertaining fighter, here is the full fight against Akaho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJrBcfoqyQ
It didn't end well as the fight was stopped by the referee due to a punch in the nape. But I really doubt it was hit, it's a slip. Then, Akaho saw the referee pointing at the nape so he got the idea to use his acting skills.
Upon watching it over and over, obviously, he was ready to protect himself again with the barrage of punches that Quadro Alas had thrown at him. But, he claimed until the end that he was hurt even though he was given enough time to rest.

A change in style might happen, and Casimero might avoid those kinds of punches while the opponent's head is down to prevent a "no contest". But, we all know he has that power punch that could end the fight as quickly as possible and I know Akaho felt it that's why he didn't go back to fighting him.

Any boxer who respects Casimero's power will be cautious in the fight. Despite not throwing many punches, his accurate timing and ability to land one punch could turn the fight around. I can't forget his impressive victory over Zolani Tete, who underestimated Casimero and already scheduled his next fight against Inoue. Casimero's TKO resulted in the downfall of Tete's career.

Right, now if this Nghitumbwa will not be cautious enough nor know Casimero's truly ability, he will be caught by Casimero's power punches by surprise and I got no doubts about that. That is what I liked about him though, even though his mouth frequently talks nonsense that are sometimes not already connected to the topic, he can always back his words with impressive performance. Hopefully Nghitumbwa will give Casimero a good fight as that's what the Filipino boxer wanted.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 04, 2023, 02:10:09 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 04, 2023, 01:25:36 AM

[Casimero is aware that there's still a lot of work to be done to reach the top, but he continues to fight in his own style, entertaining his fans in the process. As he continues to dominate, it's not surprising that he'll gain even more followers in the future.

And to remind us about how he can be an entertaining fighter, here is the full fight against Akaho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJrBcfoqyQ
It didn't end well as the fight was stopped by the referee due to a punch in the nape. But I really doubt it was hit, it's a slip. Then, Akaho saw the referee pointing at the nape so he got the idea to use his acting skills.
Upon watching it over and over, obviously, he was ready to protect himself again with the barrage of punches that Quadro Alas had thrown at him. But, he claimed until the end that he was hurt even though he was given enough time to rest.

A change in style might happen, and Casimero might avoid those kinds of punches while the opponent's head is down to prevent a "no contest". But, we all know he has that power punch that could end the fight as quickly as possible and I know Akaho felt it that's why he didn't go back to fighting him.

It's not intentional though on the part of Casimero, that's how he fights, and Akaho is clinching and hugging him that's why the weird angle when he throw that punch. But clearly, it was not even glazing Akaho, he is just a actor who pretend to be hit on the back, as maybe he felt the power of Casimero already and chooses to sit and not let moved forward.

In this fight, Casimero will still be the same, throwing a lot of power punches and hopefully Nghitumbwa is not afraid to go toe to toe. Just like when he fought Duke Micah, that kid is good to be honest and he try to go head to head but the power of Casimero is too much.

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