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Well, even though this is an easy fight for Casimero, all of the fights that he is likely to accept he must win and this is a fast track for him to get the title match he really wants, but the commissions would likely want to test him 1st if he learned are lessons, this is the hardship of John Riel Caseimero, he needs to fight in order to return what he lost, so getting back in his feet really required something, so he would surely need some easy fight like this gaining momentum,
Of course, he is starting in a new division, so he needs to improve his ranking to become the top challenger for the champion. We say this will be an easy fight for Casimero, but what if he loses? Could it be the end of his career?

I'm not hoping that he will lose, but I see the possibility since his opponent is also a knockout artist. You know, anything can happen in the ring, especially when both fighters are KO artists.

The chance of his opponent winning is very slim, as he is not a popular fighter. Casimero has fought boxers in the past who were relatively unknown in the boxing industry and he beat them all. However, this fight is different for Casimero, as he cannot afford to make any mistakes since his future is at stake.

If he loses, it would be difficult for him to get another opportunity to fight in a big match. Therefore, he needs to be very careful and ensure that he gives his best in the upcoming fight.
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Well, even though this is an easy fight for Casimero, all of the fights that he is likely to accept he must win and this is a fast track for him to get the title match he really wants, but the commissions would likely want to test him 1st if he learned are lessons, this is the hardship of John Riel Caseimero, he needs to fight in order to return what he lost, so getting back in his feet really required something, so he would surely need some easy fight like this gaining momentum,
Of course, he is starting in a new division, so he needs to improve his ranking to become the top challenger for the champion. We say this will be an easy fight for Casimero, but what if he loses? Could it be the end of his career?

I'm not hoping that he will lose, but I see the possibility since his opponent is also a knockout artist. You know, anything can happen in the ring, especially when both fighters are KO artists.
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I got your point mate that for Casimero to fight for a championship, he needs to win all his fights before that and the good thing about his promoter right now is not forcing the issue, and seems to me that they are carefully selecting opponents to fight their ward and even though with that scenario, Casimero himself is not complaining since he earns substantial amount enough to have a not so lavish lifestyle.

Nothing has leaked so far as who will be next opponent of Quadro Alas but one thing is sure that it would not be Inoue.



I think as long as there will be money in certain fights like this John Riel Casimero will likely accept that and this is not about the money somehow the reputation of John Riel Casimero is on the line, if an upset would make then his career is likely over because Fillipus Nghitumbwa is an easy fight for Casimero, well I have seen an article or news that Nghitumbwa's fellow countrymen were forcing him not to fight Casimero because they said that John Riel Casimero is not a walk in the park, that this is a risk for Fillipus Nghitumbwa's career, I really don't know what is Fillipus Nghitumbwa promoter are thinking fitting Nghitumbwa on Casimero was too early,

This must be what casimero should do He must win every his fight in order to fight again for championships all he need to do now is his name must back in the top. And once he do that then for sure he has a chance to be given the opportunity to fight the current champion. About inoue and quadro alas one thing for sure it would be in the long run to fight each other cause we all know that inuoe is already in the top and quadro alas need to stand up again so that he can fight inoue .

Well, even though this is an easy fight for Casimero, all of the fights that he is likely to accept he must win and this is a fast track for him to get the title match he really wants, but the commissions would likely want to test him 1st if he learned are lessons, this is the hardship of John Riel Caseimero, he needs to fight in order to return what he lost, so getting back in his feet really required something, so he would surely need some easy fight like this gaining momentum,


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If this boxer, Nghitumbwa, comes to fight, then we will certainly see an entertaining bout.
Alternatively, we might see an upset if he truly possesses the legitimate power to defeat a former champion. It's a big challenge for him since people are underestimating him, and boxers like him have nothing to lose. However, if he is truly determined to win, that's when we may witness an upset. Who knows, he might even get an easy ticket to a championship fight by defeating Casimero.
I don't know, but if Nghitumbwa is really a knockout artist base on his records, then he should really go and fight Casimero in the middle of the ring and see if he can knockout Casimero or if he is the one going to be knockout.

We don't want boxers like Casimero's last fight, that once he felt the power of Casimero, he made all excuses in the book to just take a dive on this fight. Hopefully Nghitumbwa is not that kind of boxer. Although he might feel the power, he will still go and fight Casimero hard so that we can see a entertaining fight and fans getting their money's worth.
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If this boxer, Nghitumbwa, comes to fight, then we will certainly see an entertaining bout.
Alternatively, we might see an upset if he truly possesses the legitimate power to defeat a former champion. It's a big challenge for him since people are underestimating him, and boxers like him have nothing to lose. However, if he is truly determined to win, that's when we may witness an upset. Who knows, he might even get an easy ticket to a championship fight by defeating Casimero.
And we could all say he truly earned it in a difficult way if he defeats Casimero and was able to buy his ticket for a championship fight.
He is underestimated in both the betting lines as a heavy underdog and in the media. I don't think he will win too as Casimero is eager enough to win this fight and claim back the respect that he wants and a position on the higher seeds that earns a chance for a title match.

This fight is near with just a month away and yet we don't see market boosters in social media. I had been trying to find some recent updates or training camps and other stuff but I cannot find one. I guess it won't be a much popular fight.
This is the only recent news that I bumped into.
https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/498675/paras-to-fight-japanese-boxer-hanaba-in-casimero-nghitumbwa-undercard
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This developed as Vince Paras, a former world title challenger fighting under Sanman Boxing Gym, faces Japanese Hayumu Hanada in a 10-rounder non-title showdown in the undercard.
The bout is a fitting replacement for the Carl Jammes Martin - Jun Ikegawa bout which was cancelled after the former suffered injury in training.
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If this boxer, Nghitumbwa, comes to fight, then we will certainly see an entertaining bout.
Alternatively, we might see an upset if he truly possesses the legitimate power to defeat a former champion. It's a big challenge for him since people are underestimating him, and boxers like him have nothing to lose. However, if he is truly determined to win, that's when we may witness an upset. Who knows, he might even get an easy ticket to a championship fight by defeating Casimero.
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He needs to be impressive to attract more interest from the promoters. Even his opponent's is not that known fighter he
should still condition his body and train for the fight preparation.

I mean a kind of preparation same like when he's facing a decent fighter, he should treat every fight as an opportunity to bring the attention
of the fans, to help him hype his name inside this new division.


Casimero never disappoints us every time he is in the ring. The only reason why he can't win by KO is that his opponents often quit early. Just like his previous fight, instead of going toe-to-toe, his opponent didn't want to take more beating and acted like he was punched illegally, resulting in a no contest. If this boxer, Nghitumbwa, comes to fight, then we will certainly see an entertaining bout.
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He needs to secure this win if he really wanted to create his name in this new division, losing a fight to unknown fighter
will put his career in danger. I mean, if he will lose, then interest from big promoters will be lessened or possibly be forgotten.

Unlike if he will win and take this fight in a much easier as how fans expected him,
the chance of bringing him to a contender for a title holder is possible.

We don't know what might happen after this, but it's really important that Casimero will win every single fight that being scheduled for him.

I got your point mate that for Casimero to fight for a championship, he needs to win all his fights before that and the good thing about his promoter right now is not forcing the issue, and seems to me that they are carefully selecting opponents to fight their ward and even though with that scenario, Casimero himself is not complaining since he earns substantial amount enough to have a not so lavish lifestyle.

Nothing has leaked so far as who will be next opponent of Quadro Alas but one thing is sure that it would not be Inoue.


Well, I guess no worries for this upcoming fight since it’s already anticipated that Casimero will eventually beat his opponent inside the ring, but he should still prepare a massive training before the game so that he will surely win over his opponent. One thing is certain, if Casimero will win this match, the big promoters will certainly be eyeing for him for another impressive match, and hopefully it’s someone that is known and is equal to his potentials the next time he will be fighting.


He needs to be impressive to attract more interest from the promoters. Even his opponent's is not that known fighter he
should still condition his body and train for the fight preparation.

I mean a kind of preparation same like when he's facing a decent fighter, he should treat every fight as an opportunity to bring the attention
of the fans, to help him hype his name inside this new division.
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Well, I guess no worries for this upcoming fight since it’s already anticipated that Casimero will eventually beat his opponent inside the ring, but he should still prepare a massive training before the game so that he will surely win over his opponent. One thing is certain, if Casimero will win this match, the big promoters will certainly be eyeing for him for another impressive match, and hopefully it’s someone that is known and is equal to his potentials the next time he will be fighting.

Regardless of how much advantage Casimero has over his opponent, he must not underestimate and should be more than prepared and conditioned for his upcoming fight.  Boxing history had recorded lots of Boxers that underestimate their opponent ends up either kissing the canvas or being outperformed by the underdog.  So Casimero must focus on his upcoming fight.  He can think of other boxers on the upper rank after he wins this upcoming fight. 

If you remember Tete, he was very confident when he fought Casimero, he thinks that he can easily beat Casimero so his mind is focused somewhere else.  And as a result of being distracted, Tete was KO'ed by Casimero in the early round.
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He needs to secure this win if he really wanted to create his name in this new division, losing a fight to unknown fighter
will put his career in danger. I mean, if he will lose, then interest from big promoters will be lessened or possibly be forgotten.

Unlike if he will win and take this fight in a much easier as how fans expected him,
the chance of bringing him to a contender for a title holder is possible.

We don't know what might happen after this, but it's really important that Casimero will win every single fight that being scheduled for him.

I got your point mate that for Casimero to fight for a championship, he needs to win all his fights before that and the good thing about his promoter right now is not forcing the issue, and seems to me that they are carefully selecting opponents to fight their ward and even though with that scenario, Casimero himself is not complaining since he earns substantial amount enough to have a not so lavish lifestyle.

Nothing has leaked so far as who will be next opponent of Quadro Alas but one thing is sure that it would not be Inoue.


Well, I guess no worries for this upcoming fight since it’s already anticipated that Casimero will eventually beat his opponent inside the ring, but he should still prepare a massive training before the game so that he will surely win over his opponent. One thing is certain, if Casimero will win this match, the big promoters will certainly be eyeing for him for another impressive match, and hopefully it’s someone that is known and is equal to his potentials the next time he will be fighting.
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But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

This is very interesting but I would rather see Casimero having a title shot to whoever the winner of the fight between Inoue and Fulton.  I would love to see Casimero vs Tapales in a unification fight for the undisputed champion of the super bantamweight title unifying all the belts.

If the fight happens, the way I see how Tapales fight, I think Casimero has the advantage.  I feel that Casimero has the punches and tenacity, skills, and move to beat Tapales.  Tapales' wins against the former champion is not impressive btw.  I had the former champion winning but it is what it is, the two judges who favored Tapales may saw something that I don't.
Yeah, I also hope that Casimero gets his title shot against the winner of Inoue-Fulton. Out of these 2 fighters, I like Casimero vs Inoue to settle the dust although I doubt Inoue feels that there is a rivalry between him and Casimero. The last time I checked the 4 sanctioning bodies' ranks, it was the WBO and the WBC that ranked Casimero inside the top 10, and Fulton now holds these belts.

The Philippines never had an undisputed champion during the 3-belt and now 4-belt era. Imagine if Casimero wins the WBO and WBC belts and then faces Tapales to complete all the belts. This will be the first time and a guaranteed undisputed champ from Ph. Meanwhile, Tapales mentioned Inoue as his most preferred opponent solidifying the assumption that an undisputed champion will soon come out. If ever Inoue becomes undisputed, he will become the first undisputed champ in 2 divisions in this 4-belt era. I am not even sure if there was a 2 division undisputed champion during the 3-belt era.

I like the idea of having both pinoy fighters to fight over with all the belts, meaning to say that whoever wins will bring all the belts home.

Though I'm still doubting that the organization will give that access to Casimero since he doesn't have that high reputation in this division.

He needs to keep winning and needs to prove that he's a good contender for the belt before he can face whoever is the winner between Fulton and Inoue, considering that there's no rematch claw after the fight.
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Now if Casimero will lose this one, there's no need for him to continue his career anymore as I think it's already safe to assume that he can't get big fights because he just lost this bout. Just in-case though.

I agree, a loss in this fight will definitely put a stain on Casimero's career and name, and I bet he will have a hard time having some future fights ahead of him if he will be defeated against an unknown boxer. If that happens, Nghitumbwa will be the one who will proceed as defeating Casimero will surely give a lot of attention including the fights.

Moreover, Casimero should just retire because he's not that young anymore to start at the bottom of the food chain again and nobody will be interested on fighting him anymore as fighting him won't give them the benefits that they wanted as Casimero will be just another somebody in the industry if that happens.

But on the bright side, I'm sure that John Riel Casimero won't let that happen.
It is incredible how the career of a boxer can change so quickly, and what makes this even weirder is that Casimero is in this situation not by losing a few fights in a row but simply because of his own choices outside the ring, and a defeat now will without a doubt cause him such a setback that it is difficult to believe he will be able to recover, fortunately for him he is still a talented boxer and I think he has what is needed to get the win this time around.

I believe that he still in the upper hand here as we know his capability and how the way he showcases his talent once he already inside the ring, but like what you have said he's not in this situation because of his choice and not because he failed to protect his belts during his days from the lower division, he went up to prove something and in order to achieve that goal he needs to keep winning and not just as simple win but to win it with a convincing way to hype him and to attract more promoters and fans to bring him to the place that will give him the opportunities to challenge the champion.


Yes, he was just unfortunate in his previous division because he caught a lot of obstacles that made his career more challenging. Good thing is that the issue was his weight and not his skills, so now that the issue were eliminated, I know Casimero will not rest until he can face the top dogs in this division. He pretty much knew that in this situation, he can't afford to make mistakes anymore especially that he is still transitioning and climbing through the ranks as a defeat will likely get him back square one again.

Looking forward in seeing him make a statement especially in this fight because he will be fighting with his fellow kababayans on his back as this fight will happen in Philippines.
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But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

This is very interesting but I would rather see Casimero having a title shot to whoever the winner of the fight between Inoue and Fulton.  I would love to see Casimero vs Tapales in a unification fight for the undisputed champion of the super bantamweight title unifying all the belts.

If the fight happens, the way I see how Tapales fight, I think Casimero has the advantage.  I feel that Casimero has the punches and tenacity, skills, and move to beat Tapales.  Tapales' wins against the former champion is not impressive btw.  I had the former champion winning but it is what it is, the two judges who favored Tapales may saw something that I don't.
Yeah, I also hope that Casimero gets his title shot against the winner of Inoue-Fulton. Out of these 2 fighters, I like Casimero vs Inoue to settle the dust although I doubt Inoue feels that there is a rivalry between him and Casimero. The last time I checked the 4 sanctioning bodies' ranks, it was the WBO and the WBC that ranked Casimero inside the top 10, and Fulton now holds these belts.

The Philippines never had an undisputed champion during the 3-belt and now 4-belt era. Imagine if Casimero wins the WBO and WBC belts and then faces Tapales to complete all the belts. This will be the first time and a guaranteed undisputed champ from Ph. Meanwhile, Tapales mentioned Inoue as his most preferred opponent solidifying the assumption that an undisputed champion will soon come out. If ever Inoue becomes undisputed, he will become the first undisputed champ in 2 divisions in this 4-belt era. I am not even sure if there was a 2 division undisputed champion during the 3-belt era.
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Now if Casimero will lose this one, there's no need for him to continue his career anymore as I think it's already safe to assume that he can't get big fights because he just lost this bout. Just in-case though.

I agree, a loss in this fight will definitely put a stain on Casimero's career and name, and I bet he will have a hard time having some future fights ahead of him if he will be defeated against an unknown boxer. If that happens, Nghitumbwa will be the one who will proceed as defeating Casimero will surely give a lot of attention including the fights.

Moreover, Casimero should just retire because he's not that young anymore to start at the bottom of the food chain again and nobody will be interested on fighting him anymore as fighting him won't give them the benefits that they wanted as Casimero will be just another somebody in the industry if that happens.

But on the bright side, I'm sure that John Riel Casimero won't let that happen.

He will be back to zero at this weight class and will have a difficult time to get a chance to crack or get a title shot. That's why eventhough his opponent is not known, he still needs to win this and as we have been saying, he should knockout this guy to send a message to his opponent and the governing body that he is ripe for another chance to fight for a world title again.

Chances though are slim for Casimero to lose fight, it will be in his hometown and so it will give him energy to show a good fight for his fans in the Philippines.
This is like a tune-up fight for Casimero but knowing that Nghitumbwa is also ranked by 2 of the 4 sanctioning bodies means that this is a good opportunity for him to increase his ranks further. Maybe the WBO will put Casimero in the top 5 if he wins impressively. If Casimero cannot get a title shot after this then he should try to face fighters like Akhmadaliev or the loser of Inoue vs Fulton and other highly ranked fighters.

But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

I don't think that Casimero will be facing a fellow Filipino on his first title shot in this division, there might be a chance but as you know, Marlon Tapales holds the IBF and WBA while Casimero is ranked higher at WBC compared to Tapales's belts where he does have to face the lower tier boxers again. I believe Casimero will pursue this WBC first because he already started his journey and a win in this fight will again improve his standing in the WBC's rankings and he could possibly face the interim title holders up next.
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Now if Casimero will lose this one, there's no need for him to continue his career anymore as I think it's already safe to assume that he can't get big fights because he just lost this bout. Just in-case though.

I agree, a loss in this fight will definitely put a stain on Casimero's career and name, and I bet he will have a hard time having some future fights ahead of him if he will be defeated against an unknown boxer. If that happens, Nghitumbwa will be the one who will proceed as defeating Casimero will surely give a lot of attention including the fights.

Moreover, Casimero should just retire because he's not that young anymore to start at the bottom of the food chain again and nobody will be interested on fighting him anymore as fighting him won't give them the benefits that they wanted as Casimero will be just another somebody in the industry if that happens.

But on the bright side, I'm sure that John Riel Casimero won't let that happen.
It is incredible how the career of a boxer can change so quickly, and what makes this even weirder is that Casimero is in this situation not by losing a few fights in a row but simply because of his own choices outside the ring, and a defeat now will without a doubt cause him such a setback that it is difficult to believe he will be able to recover, fortunately for him he is still a talented boxer and I think he has what is needed to get the win this time around.

I believe that he still in the upper hand here as we know his capability and how the way he showcases his talent once he already inside the ring, but like what you have said he's not in this situation because of his choice and not because he failed to protect his belts during his days from the lower division, he went up to prove something and in order to achieve that goal he needs to keep winning and not just as simple win but to win it with a convincing way to hype him and to attract more promoters and fans to bring him to the place that will give him the opportunities to challenge the champion.
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Now if Casimero will lose this one, there's no need for him to continue his career anymore as I think it's already safe to assume that he can't get big fights because he just lost this bout. Just in-case though.

I agree, a loss in this fight will definitely put a stain on Casimero's career and name, and I bet he will have a hard time having some future fights ahead of him if he will be defeated against an unknown boxer. If that happens, Nghitumbwa will be the one who will proceed as defeating Casimero will surely give a lot of attention including the fights.

Moreover, Casimero should just retire because he's not that young anymore to start at the bottom of the food chain again and nobody will be interested on fighting him anymore as fighting him won't give them the benefits that they wanted as Casimero will be just another somebody in the industry if that happens.

But on the bright side, I'm sure that John Riel Casimero won't let that happen.
It is incredible how the career of a boxer can change so quickly, and what makes this even weirder is that Casimero is in this situation not by losing a few fights in a row but simply because of his own choices outside the ring, and a defeat now will without a doubt cause him such a setback that it is difficult to believe he will be able to recover, fortunately for him he is still a talented boxer and I think he has what is needed to get the win this time around.
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But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

This is very interesting but I would rather see Casimero having a title shot to whoever the winner of the fight between Inoue and Fulton.  I would love to see Casimero vs Tapales in a unification fight for the undisputed champion of the super bantamweight title unifying all the belts.

If the fight happens, the way I see how Tapales fight, I think Casimero has the advantage.  I feel that Casimero has the punches and tenacity, skills, and move to beat Tapales.  Tapales' wins against the former champion is not impressive btw.  I had the former champion winning but it is what it is, the two judges who favored Tapales may saw something that I don't.
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But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

This would be interesting but i think this won't happen as i think those sanctioning bodies (IBF and WBA) won't allow a lower rank boxer fight their champion unless there's big money involved or at least a connection to the politicking bodies of this boxing politics hehe.

If only Casimero is still with MP Promotions i think this will happen but on the other hand, let this be Marlon Tapalez' ticket to a big money fight as this would be the biggest purse he would receive if ever he will be on the other end of the unification bout of this super bantamweight title.

The Tapales - Casimero is possible and can happen and it usually happens because of unforeseen circumstances, Casimero may be of a lower rank but if there is a match between Tapales and a higher rank fighter and the other fighter can not fight because of an injury, they could give the fight to a fighter coming from a win and a former champion, this is what happens to Manny Pacquiao when Ledwaba's original opponent cannot make it so they got Pacquiao even though he is not in top 5 but they consider his being a former champion.
Former champions will always get their attention especially if that former champion is still winning.
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But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.

This would be interesting but i think this won't happen as i think those sanctioning bodies (IBF and WBA) won't allow a lower rank boxer fight their champion unless there's big money involved or at least a connection to the politicking bodies of this boxing politics hehe.

If only Casimero is still with MP Promotions i think this will happen but on the other hand, let this be Marlon Tapalez' ticket to a big money fight as this would be the biggest purse he would receive if ever he will be on the other end of the unification bout of this super bantamweight title.
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Now if Casimero will lose this one, there's no need for him to continue his career anymore as I think it's already safe to assume that he can't get big fights because he just lost this bout. Just in-case though.

I agree, a loss in this fight will definitely put a stain on Casimero's career and name, and I bet he will have a hard time having some future fights ahead of him if he will be defeated against an unknown boxer. If that happens, Nghitumbwa will be the one who will proceed as defeating Casimero will surely give a lot of attention including the fights.

Moreover, Casimero should just retire because he's not that young anymore to start at the bottom of the food chain again and nobody will be interested on fighting him anymore as fighting him won't give them the benefits that they wanted as Casimero will be just another somebody in the industry if that happens.

But on the bright side, I'm sure that John Riel Casimero won't let that happen.

He will be back to zero at this weight class and will have a difficult time to get a chance to crack or get a title shot. That's why eventhough his opponent is not known, he still needs to win this and as we have been saying, he should knockout this guy to send a message to his opponent and the governing body that he is ripe for another chance to fight for a world title again.

Chances though are slim for Casimero to lose fight, it will be in his hometown and so it will give him energy to show a good fight for his fans in the Philippines.
This is like a tune-up fight for Casimero but knowing that Nghitumbwa is also ranked by 2 of the 4 sanctioning bodies means that this is a good opportunity for him to increase his ranks further. Maybe the WBO will put Casimero in the top 5 if he wins impressively. If Casimero cannot get a title shot after this then he should try to face fighters like Akhmadaliev or the loser of Inoue vs Fulton and other highly ranked fighters.

But imagine if Casimero's title shot will be against his friend, the IBF and WBA champion Marlon Tapales? I wonder what will be the result if this happens.
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