Topic: [Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 4. (Read 8564 times)

In other words, even how big the name of Terence Crawford is, to be involved in big fights he really needs to be involved in those promotional parties that are specialized in that line of business. He might be sick with Bob Arum for personal reasons but being totally free from any promoters would really hurt the business side of his career as in today's boxing, legacy is not only the target of the boxer but also their worth value.

Who knows also that these influential promoters secretly worked out to stop any good advance of those who left on their premises.

Is there a rumor about that why this fight didn't successfully execute this year?

Yeah, I think if ever Crawford will want to sign a promotional contract, it might be better with Matchroom. I think with Eddie Hearn, who knows, maybe he can get a good deal and push the fight for him against Spence.

Legacy wise, it might be better if we will see this fight going to happen next year. But if not, the longer the delay, the more Crawford will be at a disadvantage here and I will say that we might not see this fight anymore.

And I think if this fight is going to be made, there could be someone in between to be a  mediator. And it could be Eddie Hearn with his influence right now.

Well this thing about Crawford is a shame, because of all the boxers I've seen who most want to fight, apart from Kambosos, it's Crawford, he may have a lot to prove, but here what matters is that they do a good job with the sponsors, if there is not enough money it is very difficult for this fight to take place, I think it is no longer in the hands of the boxers but in the years of the publicists and those who make an analysis of how much the income will be, for me all this is based on it On the other hand, it would be excellent if Pacquiao could return to these fights, it doesn't matter, that he fights against him, for me the best thing is that this boxer does it again.

Good, but I think that if a boxer has 3 fights during the year and if he can win all of them, his reputation and fame will increase, without a doubt it is something that can make a difference with respect to others, if we think about a boxer who If he has 3 wins, he is likely to go looking for titles, something like what Bivol is or wants to do, he does not want simple rematches, just as Caanelo is asking him, he wants to level up, he does not want to fall into things like that, He wants to advance and in part he is doing it well, although he can earn a lot of money with the rematch, he knows that with higher level boxers he can even earn twice as much.


Well, maybe the fight did not materialize, but it is known that Crawford is in other things, he looked for a job with a boxing bull, he is a boxer who is applying intelligence in everything and can get many victories, if for now they did not happen things with Spence will happen at some other time, what matters is that Crawford can, for me what Crawford is looking for is that Spence himself asks him to want to do that rematch, and he is the one who has to think about it, I don't know, but this type of boxer thinks like that and it is probable that he will and from now on he will have things in his hands and he will be able to give his answer when he wants it.

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Here is something relevant:

Bomac: "Spence Is Something Special, I Know How Much Bud Wants To Fight Him, Conquer 147




Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/bomac-spence-something-special-i-know-how-much-bud-wants-fight-him-conquer-147--169986

 I like this, because as I said before, no player should be much more than the club, this is something that Florentino Pérez makes known, because this club has always been one of the best all its life, yes , the best, for me at this point I hope that Real Madrid does not want him, because they already despised, and it is very difficult to say No to Real Madrid, and Mbappé said it, so I think the opportunity has passed, for me these things they go to another plane, besides that as he has acted it looks very bad, it is seen that he is very egocentric and they do not have any camaraderie, I bet he must be alone, and Messi with Neymar must be twinned.

Legacy-wise if we are talking about Crawford's sure seat in the Hall of Fame but for the literal legacy, Crawford doesn't have that yet because one boxers dream is to be an undisputed boxer in their most comfortable division, that is why Crawford wanted to try a shot in welter and super-welter but Spence and Charlo doesn't want him to have his chance.

And if Crawford will sign to Eddie Hearn's Matchroom Boxing then he should at least let Hearn do the talking first because we don't know, Hearn can find some way. But if the PBC wanted a solo television then Hearn and Crawford should agree with it because they had the right to demand as they are in the A-side.

To be fair, Bob Arum did his job well. Legacy-wise, Crawford's credentials are also assured in the Hall of Fame once he retires, unlike Spence who needs to work more on his career if he wants to be remembered and enters the Hall of Fame. Good friends Spence and Charlo avoiding Crawford is more of a personal and political issue.

If Crawford signs with DAZN, the network might not allow Showtime or Fox to solo-televise a possible Crawford-Spence or Crawford-Charlo. DAZN will want a joint network deal which is normal when 2 superstars collide like Pacman-Mayweather televised via HBO and Showtime. Last year, PBC's undefeated WBC middleweight champion Jermall Charlo (Jermell's twin) and undefeated former champion Jaime Mungia of Golden Boy Promotions failed to materialize because PBC do not want a joint promotion deal. PBC wanted to solo promote the event and a rematch clause if Charlo losses but they will let GBP solo promote the possible rematch. PBC is the hardest to work with when it comes to co-promotion fights. Thus Crawford signing with DAZN might mean goodbye to Errol Spence and Jermell Charlo fights.

But personally, if I were Crawford, I will talk to Matchroom and signs a deal if possible.

True, I know that Crawford just wanted to dance with Spence this year that is why he patiently waited so long just to wait the latter finish his fight against Ugas but eventually, Crawford was left hanging because Spence doesn't want it yet. And that's still a good chance for Crawford to have his own preparation while waiting for their fight, this David Avanesyan might be the perfect opponent to groom Crawford and to do some tune-up before facing a much stronger fighter.

I'm even surprised that this discussion is still open and isn't locked temporarily because it's already official that this undisputed fight won't happen this year, maybe soon, we don't really know. Also, if this David Avanesyan will win the fight, it will be a big break for him and he will be famous more than what Bivol experienced when he defeated Canelo.

He will be so proud to himself as being the first one to crack Terence Crawford and putting him as one of his trophies in his record. If that happens then I bet Spence will have a hard time too, right? There's no way Crawford will get defeated while Spence will have an easy journey, that is just totally impossible.

^^, Not just Crawford, but elite boxers wanted to have at least 2 fights a year. Canelo even said that he can fight 3x a year. And Crawford knows that if he is not that active and suddenly he will have a fight with Spence, then it will take more time for him to train and be back in form 100%. So it's good to fight again, a cherry pick if you will so that he will be active and there will be no ring rust for his next fight after David, (and maybe him and Spence will be dancing in 2023).

I guess that is their motive after all, Crawford need someone to fight on because his days of inactivity is running that is why his camp urged to have at least 1 fight first while waiting for the undisputed discussion. Also, it's very unlikely that Crawford will get defeated here against this David Avanesyan, I know there's a possible of upset in any fight but I think the chance we're talking is just slim because when I checked the latter's record, it's not that good because the latter haven't fought someone at least near Crawford's caliber.

Well this is the facts and you can decide for yourself:

1. Arum said that Crawford is not a PPV star, and that his company is losing money in promoting him.


https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/12/1/22812992/bob-arum-terence-crawford-not-ppv-draw-lost-money-every-fight-boxing-news-2021

1. Crawford did not sign or renew his contract with Top Rank, on the contrary file a $10 million lawsuit, claiming that Bob Arum and Top Rank doesn't know how to promote Black boxers. He term it "‘revolting racial bias’".


And this one:


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/terence-crawford-racial-bias-lawsuit-bob-arum-top-rank/1vr44ojqhujhc1nm5atufqaais

And so with Bob Arum out of the picture, and when we thought that it can be made, now the fight is official off.

So it's up to us to come up with our own conclusion on who is to blame here.

If the goal is to be unified all the Welterweight belts, then I think that would be the case if Crawford got defeated against Avanesyan on his title defense in December. There would even be no need for Spence to call out Avanesyan as I'm sure the latter will do it instead as that was a big break in his career.

Well then, since this fight now failed to materialize I think further discussion about this match is pointless for now.

Let's hope that next year, the much-awaited fight for long will now turn into reality.

He really needs to be active, and perhaps this is what Spence want him, not to fight and wait for next year. But if that is the case, then just maybe he will have a ring rust and that's what Crawford is trying to avoid in his career. He needs to be active and as you have said, keep that fire inside of him to be competitive. And so he chooses a dangerous boxer that hits hard. It might not be a good choice in paper, but Crawford is willing to put his belt on the line against a relatively unknown fighter. And definitely, upsets do happen but Crawford is willing to take that risk here.

I also have that impression while waiting for Spence's camp to sign the deal. Crawford's camp takes this fight to keep him above,
and to add more noise to his name.

But we all knew that we are talking about boxing and this sport also has possibilities to witness upset. I'm just wondering what if
Crawford got defeated do Spence will take the call challenging Avanesyan right away.

We never know what the future may bring, but let's wait for the outcome of Crawford's fight, then see if what would be the developments between him and Spence.

It is really hard to imagine that Bud Crawford will be defeated here, I mean, this David Avanesyan do have a pretty record as he finished his 5 recent fights in KO and TKO but I don't think that he can do that to Crawford. Personally, I'm inclined that this is just like a tune-up fight and others have said that this is just a cherry-picked fight to keep Crawford's flame burning while he is also waiting for the undisputed fight.

So do you really believe that it's because he is a free agent?

When did Crawford become a free agent? I think he already had fights even if he is already a free agent, so I think that is not really the problem, I guess the real problem here is the other side which is probably Spence who is avoiding this fight to happen.

That makes sense to believe and I agree with you. Even Bob Arum was being seen as protecting his cash cow, without his influence and reputation, his boxers might end up in a small and not-that-impressive fights contract. Bob Arum is specialized in organizing fights that even if it's between a famous and not, the fight will be sold and hyped.

I don't know if Crawford and Spence will still face each other but as long as they continue winning their fights, the possibility is always there.

And that rumors will surely be circulated next year if Crawford will win against Avanesyan in December and Spence will also win in his next fight.

I just wonder what will happen if Crawford loses against Avanesyan. That's a big news.

Spence might have an easy match for an undisputed Welterweight bout for let's say he will wait for the winner of this match and not fight another boxer yet.

Yes, this fight is now "OFFICIALLY FAILED" to happen this year. We don't even know if it will happen next year as that will depend on the result of their respective fight. Currently, Crawford is the first one who moves on with this fight and now officially has the next fight in December. On the other hand, Spence Jr. doesn't confirm yet any details of his next plan either if he will fight this year or not.

The reason for the failed negotiations is unknown and likely they will not disclose it to the public.

Spence blames Crawford. Crawford blames Spence. Much better if they won't do a blaming game and just continue on their next plan.

I honestly wanted to see this undisputed fight while Spence and Crawford are still hot and agile especially that the latter is not as young as Spence. Someday if their fight happens, it won't be the same anymore. We don't who's who that plays the card behind the scenes to delay the fight but we sure know that the fans are not happy with the outcome. For now, let's move on because Crawford already has a scheduled fight this December.

Crawford wants to be back inside the ring. The negotiations between his camp and Spence are still pending or no finalization.
signing a contract with another challenger is the only way for Crawford to get his desire.

Spence may follow this move from Crawford and the negotiation in between will be discussed or will be open in public once both fighters are already
finished their respective fights.

For the meantime, this fight will be parked unless there's any further news and updates with regard to this match. It will be announced, or another rumor will come up around the social media channels.