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October 17, 2022, 06:55:44 PM
Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

This is dead for sure this year. Only roughly just a month remaining now for the supposed November 19 fight.

But I'm not giving up on this fight to happen next year.

Anyway any information on who's their next opponent if this fight is not happened?
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October 17, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

This is what I think too.

This fight is not literally dead where chances are really zero from happening.

It's just that, we can already assume that this fight won't happen this year but at least have a great chance to happen next year. However, if both boxers will now fight other opponents instead this year, they should both win as obviously, no more Crawford vs Spence in the future will be negotiated.
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October 17, 2022, 06:25:31 PM
Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

I also believe that there's no time for the projected November fight they might set it up next year, but its obvious someone is dragging this fight too long for their own advantage, I don't want to give names it could be the promoter but obviously, both camps have taken us for a ride a lot of great fights have happened already and this is not what you can call the greatest fight in the history of boxing, it's just a unification and a battle of undefeated fighters.
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October 17, 2022, 06:20:25 PM
Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.

If the fight catches more interest it is very possible to happen.  Since the boxing authority might intervene if they see a very good profit if the fight commences.  We all know boxing isn't just sport but also a business so if ever the boxing authority see this match as a very profitable one they might mediate to make both camps agree to close the deal.  It is also possible that they are looking for a perfect timing so that the fight can gain the most possible profit for the match.
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October 17, 2022, 04:41:09 PM
Only time can tell, as I have said, for this year the fight is not going to happen. And maybe the negotiations is already dead at this point.

But I think this fight can still be salvage and be made for next year, for sure the money is going to be to big that both camp can't refuse it, and maybe they are just looking for the perfect time to have this fight. We compare this to Floyd vs Manny, lots of stumbling block but in the end it got to be made.
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October 17, 2022, 04:13:47 PM
I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.
I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

Well they have been teasing us of a November date and this is as early when this thread was open by the OP. And yet, in several months, nothing solid had happen, except like agreement in terms but in seems only verbal. So there is nothing concrete, so they will continue to tease us with this fight. Not sure if the problem is the split, maybe one corner (Spence), doesn't want this fight, in my opinion. Or they will wait till they see Crawford performance is going downhill.

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because ultimately Crawford wants that fight.  He is getting on the older side of boxing and he doesn't have time to fight other lower end people while this gets put together.  If I was Crawford I'd just put up a deadline and if the fight doesn't happen leave it on Spence for not getting it done and be over it.  
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October 17, 2022, 07:47:54 AM
Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.

That was after the fight of Pacman against Ugas, before AFAIR, Pacman has became a slight favorite on that fight per sportsbooks odds, so you can tell how much the fans believe he can win against Spence, but a big news came up and it resulted to Ugas substituting Spence which was not good for Pacman.

You are right because people were expecting Pacman could give a good fight against Spence, unfortunately, the hype was gone when Spence declared he needs to undergo an operation. However, I don't want to tolerate Pacman making excuses that he has a leg cramp during the fight causing him to move slow, he has to give credit to Ugas for beating him if he wants to come back, try to make a rematch on Ugas, and then go with Spence again.
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October 17, 2022, 06:59:41 AM
Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.

That was after the fight of Pacman against Ugas, before AFAIR, Pacman has became a slight favorite on that fight per sportsbooks odds, so you can tell how much the fans believe he can win against Spence, but a big news came up and it resulted to Ugas substituting Spence which was not good for Pacman.
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October 16, 2022, 11:49:07 PM

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement. Smiley

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

Pacman is not done yet if he thinks he can still fight, he still has the fans and I think if there was not changes of opponent, there's a chance that he can give Spence a big problem in the fight in case he would still lose. He is a very discipline man, and I think fans would still want to see him, so why not?

However, it is not about his opinion on his readiness to fight the kings of welterweight boxing or the opinions of the fans. It is about if he is really ready. Considering that he was dominated by Ugas, how can we trust Pacman's words if he was serious. Also, if his fight versus Errol Spence was not cancelled, some people might be making stretcher jokes about him.
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October 16, 2022, 10:43:46 PM
What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

I agree with you both. News saying that this fight won't likely happen is not yet official but it's somehow giving us a clear view of where this fight should go.

Unless a reputable person involved in this fight tells the media that the negotiation is now completely wrecked, then that's the time we give up on this fight.

I also think if this fight really fails for sure, we will hear it right away directly from either Terence Crawford or Errol Spence Jr. They will sure give their opinion and likely announce their next plan.

Something that can create noise around the boxing community, but as far as I know, there is nothing coming from both camps
so both of them are still expecting for a possible negotiation to take place.

I'm not an expert, but I also understand the value of both fighters if they will bring something out of their personal social media
accounts, it will take effect and will create a basis for whether the fight will proceed or the fight will probably be cancelled.
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October 16, 2022, 06:59:25 PM
What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

I agree with you both. News saying that this fight won't likely happen is not yet official but it's somehow giving us a clear view of where this fight should go.

Unless a reputable person involved in this fight tells the media that the negotiation is now completely wrecked, then that's the time we give up on this fight.

I also think if this fight really fails for sure, we will hear it right away directly from either Terence Crawford or Errol Spence Jr. They will sure give their opinion and likely announce their next plan.
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October 16, 2022, 06:45:16 PM
What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

True. It's not yet a failure unless they said that they can't agree on terms and moving on with their career and have a schedule bout with other opponents.

Even though there's a low chance for this fight to happened, there might be some things that are still being discussed to truly make it officially fail, or who knows the other way around which is positive news. They can't just go negotiating on another match that easily.

Don't worry though as even before, both boxers have a "backup plan" if this fight is not materialized.

Definitely something is still cooking behind the scene that's why is it very quiet right now. But for the hope of seeing this fight this year, we might as well say goodbye to that.

But they can still sit and talk and maybe look for the next option next year, maybe in the first quarter.
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October 16, 2022, 06:28:03 PM
And what is the sense of coming back? Money? fame? legacy? Manny have everything already.

But his interest is still there to fight. Since he now has more free time and is currently healthy and in good shape unlike when he is in politics, he can now give more time and focus on his training and can take it seriously like usual. That's the problem with him during his preparations against Spence Jr. then suddenly by Ugas. He is not focused because of his presidential bid in the Philippines.

Good thing he lost against Ugas as that's a wake-up call to him that boxing and politics should not be done at the same time.

If by chance he faced either Spence or Crawford on this point of his status as a boxer, sorry to say that he will just lose although not via KO but a Decision.
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October 16, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.

Because the negotiation can't still be considered a 100% failure.

Even though there's a low chance for this fight to happened, there might be some things that are still being discussed to truly make it officially fail, or who knows the other way around which is positive news. They can't just go negotiating on another match that easily.

Don't worry though as even before, both boxers have a "backup plan" if this fight is not materialized.
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October 16, 2022, 12:13:07 AM

Source: https://www.benchwarmers.ie/pacquiao-wants-spence-crawford-winner/254920/

Big news is what Pacquiao generates. I hope he cheers up and we see him again.



No please no I'm a big Pacquiao fan and I like to see him age well he has a lot of things to do for his fellow citizen and he should enjoy his retirement, he is past his prime, this is not WWE wrestling where even a 70 years old Ric Flair can come back and be competitive and win, his time is up in boxing we have seen that. the speed and power are not there anymore, I am ok with him doing exhibitions but fighting for a world title against the top boxers in the world is just too much for Pacquiao to handle, everyone has his time in boxing I don't want him to go out like Mike Tyson.
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October 15, 2022, 10:45:50 AM

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement. Smiley

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

I also didn't click on the link, but I do agree that Pacquaio should retire for good. We have seen him against Ugas and it doesn't look good for him and it's better that after that fight, he doesn't to hang up his gloves.

And if he wanted to make a comeback against the winner of the highly caliber fighter in Spence or Crawford? We might see him getting knockout here. And what is the sense of coming back? Money? fame? legacy? Manny have everything already.
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October 15, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.
I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

Well they have been teasing us of a November date and this is as early when this thread was open by the OP. And yet, in several months, nothing solid had happen, except like agreement in terms but in seems only verbal. So there is nothing concrete, so they will continue to tease us with this fight. Not sure if the problem is the split, maybe one corner (Spence), doesn't want this fight, in my opinion. Or they will wait till they see Crawford performance is going downhill.

What I'm curious about is why does Crawford still holding on to this fight? It's almost clear that the opposite camp is playing games on him to make their chances on winning go higher, in my opinion, Crawford must fight another opponent while this undisputed fight is not on play.
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October 15, 2022, 09:48:20 AM

Best guess is that both camps are already training because their forecasted date is approaching fast, they only have less than 2 months left to prepare and train. Maybe that's the same reason why they are so silent these days after we received an information that they've already reached a deal.

They will only train if the fight is already official, there's no reason for them to train hard with their team if there's no announcement yet, unless they know it's going to happen and promoters are just waiting for the right time to announce, what I'm saying is, if they start training for nothing, they will just be wasting money.

But this fighters are elite, and they have to stay in shape even at off season. And this is the secret of some of the best of them like Floyd and Manny or even Hopkins during his prime. This boxers keeps themselves in around their fighting weight by maybe doing some like trainings at home. Floyd and Manny loves to play basketball.

And so when the official fight is announced, they will just shift gears and focus 100% on the training itself. So they are not wasting money, they've just trying to get the edge.

The word is already out, we are just waiting for their final approach to make this official. They are aiming for November, it's already safe to say that both camps have already started their respective trainings even if there's no official announcement yet. They are the ones who know the real deal and they won't be wasting this far if a fight between Spence and Crawford is impossible this year, especially the latter. I don't think that Crawford will wait and settle until Spence is ready because he will be inactive for a year this coming November too.

And I agree, even if the fight is not yet settled, training is already part of their routine to keep and maintain their shape especially in times like this that there's only little time left to prepare. This is an undisputed fight, we already know that both fights will really come prepared.

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https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/34696677/errol-spence-jr-terence-crawford-title-fight-risk-dispute-contract-details-sources-say

Looks like contract details aren't coming together.  No way a fight happens in November.  My guess is that Crawford is going to want to get in a fight before this one if this ever happens now.  This fight has to happen wish they would just squash the contract details and meet both half way to make this happen.

This is something ugly if it doesn't happen, for me the one who most wants this fight to happen is Crawford, but in case Spence backs down, this won't even count, then everything that has been speculated, many fans They are waiting for this fight, I was one of those who believed that this fight would take place in November and before the World Cup in Qatar, if this fight does not take place before this date, it will hardly happen later, the bettors and all the attention will go to football without Without a doubt, it is where the money and the sapusetas will move in great quantity, for me this has a core, there is someone very powerful who does not want this fight to take place, I do not know, everything seems very strange to me.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

It's legit and I think no sarcastic comments or being hyped by the media.

That was during the press conference of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition match against the Korean Youtuber DK Yoo.

Another question asked is if it's possible for him to face Mayweather Jr. again but he responded that the latter is scared of him now lol.

Back to the topic, with Crawford and Spence's active boxing lifestyle, I doubt Pacquiao can still go head-to-head against them.
Well, these things fill me with joy, because I would like to know if Pacquiao will really fight against the winner of this fight, honestly if Pacquiao returns I don't care if it's with Spence or with Crawford, I just want to see Pacquiao finally fight with great zeal, a fighter like Pacquiao if he returns to the Ring is a reason to have a living legend and that we can enjoy the good that all the veteran of this boxer can show, however between Crawford and Spence I would like Kambosos to win, that it be different history this time, because if it were a Crawford vs. Pacquiao for me it would be the fight of the year, I wouldn't mind another fight.

Back to the topic, with Crawford and Spence's active boxing lifestyle, I doubt Pacquiao can still go head-to-head against them.

That depends on Pacman's lifestyle during his retirement period, we have to remember also that Spence was into a serious car accident but he was able to come back strong and still win a fight, so it's no different with Pacman's rest in boxing, maybe the only difference is that he is already old now.
Well, I know that many people are looking for Pacquiao to lose because many say that age does not help him, but unlike many sports, I believe that age in boxing has very little influence, a boxer with more experience and experience is better, Combiana his experience plus his intelligence and now he has a great advantage over any boxer, for me this is something that can happen and be seen as I said before, the fight of the year, for me it could mean the return of a legend that can mark the guideline, and with respect to Mayweather Jr, I already believe that this is not possible, I sincerely rule it out with respect to Mayweather, besides that the fights are like very tangled, for me there is no emotion.



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Manny Pacquiao sensationally claims he wants Errol Spence vs Terence Crawford winner



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Pacquiao, who is regarded as one of the best pound-for-pound fighters of his generation, fought well into his older years before deciding to hang up the gloves.

There has been continual suggestion that Pacquiao could get back into the ring to partake in exhibition bouts, but could he make a return to professional boxing at the highest level?

Perhaps. Pacquiao has refused to rule out the possibility of pursuing the winner of Errol Spence vs Terrence Crawford and challenging for world titles once again.

Source: https://www.benchwarmers.ie/pacquiao-wants-spence-crawford-winner/254920/

Big news is what Pacquiao generates. I hope he cheers up and we see him again.

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October 15, 2022, 08:57:35 AM
Back to the topic, with Crawford and Spence's active boxing lifestyle, I doubt Pacquiao can still go head-to-head against them.

That depends on Pacman's lifestyle during his retirement period, we have to remember also that Spence was into a serious car accident but he was able to come back strong and still win a fight, so it's no different with Pacman's rest in boxing, maybe the only difference is that he is already old now.
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October 15, 2022, 07:55:03 AM
I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

It's legit and I think no sarcastic comments or being hyped by the media.

That was during the press conference of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition match against the Korean Youtuber DK Yoo.

Another question asked is if it's possible for him to face Mayweather Jr. again but he responded that the latter is scared of him now lol.

Back to the topic, with Crawford and Spence's active boxing lifestyle, I doubt Pacquiao can still go head-to-head against them.
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