[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence - page 7.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 15, 2022, 04:04:20 AM

Pacman is not done yet if he thinks he can still fight, he still has the fans and I think if there was not changes of opponent, there's a chance that he can give Spence a big problem in the fight in case he would still lose. He is a very discipline man, and I think fans would still want to see him, so why not?

I also think Pacman can still fight. Just give him a serious focus unlike during the time when he was training in preparation against Spence Jr where aside from boxing, lots of things were on his schedule that's why he ended up losing on Spence's replacement Yordenis Ugas aside from the injury before the fight.

Prior to that Pacman's interest on he's willing to take either Spence or Crawford, the unification fight should happen officially first. But unfortunately at this point, it's nowhere can be happened now and the chances are low of that fight taking place this year.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 14, 2022, 10:52:36 PM

Quote from: harizen on October 14, 2022, 10:25:49 PM

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

Pacman is not done yet if he thinks he can still fight, he still has the fans and I think if there was not changes of opponent, there's a chance that he can give Spence a big problem in the fight in case he would still lose. He is a very discipline man, and I think fans would still want to see him, so why not?

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Quote from: harizen on October 14, 2022, 10:25:49 PM

Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

I like Pacman, I respect what he has done in the sport of boxing, however, I did not know that he is presently a comedian. If he won versus Ugas to hold the WBA welterweight championship, I will think maybe there is an argument for Pacman. However, Ugas was gave a very convincing performance and has shown Pacman's old age.

I honestly have not read the article yet. This might be another sarcastic statement from Pacman and the sports news media are turning it into clickbait hehe.

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Pacquiao wants Spence vs. Crawford winner

Manny Pacquiao was asked if he’d be interested in fighting the Errol Spence Jr vs. Terence Crawford winner and his response was "why not if that's possible?".

To make that happen though, he needs to come out from retirement.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 14, 2022, 07:55:50 PM

not this month, but recent article says it may happen nov 12 or 19. though we all know that it won't happen if both camps didn't reach to their agreements.

The recent articles about the progress of this fight are leading to a failure of the negotiations.

You can refer to what I posted here last week.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 14, 2022, 07:46:50 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 14, 2022, 06:54:31 PM

Of course, as boxing fans, our expectations are going to be high for this fight to happen, both are champion and again, prime vs prime. Unfortunately, both sides are not agreeing in some terms that's why at least for this year, the November fight is cancelled.

I'm also not expecting this fight to happen this month. But chances to happen maybe next year. Boxing fans should not expect this fight anymore but next year, lots of time to fix the issues of why this fight didn't happen this year.

If next year, the fight still has not happened, they say goodbye forever on their bout. That was unfortunate.

*Sigh*, but true, we should not expect the match to happen anytime soon, there are no media update and seems both boxers might be looking for the next biggest alternative at 147-154 lbs.

Maybe they are going to push it next year, who knows, maybe after they have a separate fight and win against tough opponent, the hype could still be there for us boxing fans. But this year? say goodbye to it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 14, 2022, 06:54:31 PM

Of course, as boxing fans, our expectations are going to be high for this fight to happen, both are champion and again, prime vs prime. Unfortunately, both sides are not agreeing in some terms that's why at least for this year, the November fight is cancelled.

I'm also not expecting this fight to happen this month. But chances to happen maybe next year. Boxing fans should not expect this fight anymore but next year, lots of time to fix the issues of why this fight didn't happen this year.

If next year, the fight still has not happened, they say goodbye forever on their bout. That was unfortunate.

not this month, but recent article says it may happen nov 12 or 19. though we all know that it won't happen if both camps didn't reach to their agreements. they may not have reached to their final purse split here. as crawford is seemingly favoured by bookies, crawford's camp may ask more than 40% cut. but we don't know what is their bottleneck here.

Maybe you are outdated. That was the original date but if you looked at some news recently, there's a problem with the terms.

The November bout has a big chance of not happening anymore.

The fight is failed to make officially happened and we can't forget this happening this year.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 14, 2022, 07:46:50 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 14, 2022, 06:54:31 PM

Of course, as boxing fans, our expectations are going to be high for this fight to happen, both are champion and again, prime vs prime. Unfortunately, both sides are not agreeing in some terms that's why at least for this year, the November fight is cancelled.

I'm also not expecting this fight to happen this month. But chances to happen maybe next year. Boxing fans should not expect this fight anymore but next year, lots of time to fix the issues of why this fight didn't happen this year.

If next year, the fight still has not happened, they say goodbye forever on their bout. That was unfortunate.

not this month, but recent article says it may happen nov 12 or 19. though we all know that it won't happen if both camps didn't reach to their agreements. they may not have reached to their final purse split here. as crawford is seemingly favoured by bookies, crawford's camp may ask more than 40% cut. but we don't know what is their bottleneck here.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 14, 2022, 06:54:31 PM

Of course, as boxing fans, our expectations are going to be high for this fight to happen, both are champion and again, prime vs prime. Unfortunately, both sides are not agreeing in some terms that's why at least for this year, the November fight is cancelled.

I'm also not expecting this fight to happen this month. But chances to happen maybe next year. Boxing fans should not expect this fight anymore but next year, lots of time to fix the issues of why this fight didn't happen this year.

If next year, the fight still has not happened, they say goodbye forever on their bout. That was unfortunate.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on October 13, 2022, 10:26:27 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on October 13, 2022, 06:14:51 AM

I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.

I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Bradley though has turned into a boxing analyst for some networks, so obviously he will have to talk about this fight specially that he has campaign in this division. About the hype? yes, obviously it is there even we know that the fight is not going to happen at least for this year.

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on October 13, 2022, 10:26:27 AM

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

Of course, as boxing fans, our expectations are going to be high for this fight to happen, both are champion and again, prime vs prime. Unfortunately, both sides are not agreeing in some terms that's why at least for this year, the November fight is cancelled.

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My own realizations to this is Spence and his advisors are not ready for Crawford. What would be the next move for Spence this will not come into fruition?

I think it's Crawford's camp that questioned the clarity of the contract that is supposed to be done now. They are the ones who requested a clear view of the terms that are not being clear by Spence's side. Even Crawford is building his legacy, never he will allow Spence's camp to just put some terms just in favor of them.

Anyhow, if this fight won't push through, I think both Crawford and Spence have Plan B. If I remember it right, they are vocal about who's their preferred target if this fight won't take place.

Spence and his promoter cannot provide and not willing to provide all the details in order to clarify them. They are delaying everything. Why not just tell Crawford the truth instead of playing tricky games.

I read a comment here Ennis is next for Spence. The kid has an amazing record and majority of his wins by knockouts. A fantastic test for Spence. Crawford can move forward to the next division maybe.

We cannot really verify that information if Spence and his camp are the ones who are trying to delay the fight as much as possible, though we could point out blindly because we can somehow say that they are really behind the delays but as I said, we cannot really verify that claim because Crawford is still hoping to make the fight happen and he probably knows what is the real deal as he is in the discussion. Let's see what will be the development of this fight in the coming few weeks.

Obviously, no one will admit to that fact, whoever is delaying or what. however, as fans, we heard that Spence or at least his camp has difficulty in negotiating because of Top Rank. And now that Top Rank is out of the picture, the fight is still delayed. Which makes us speculate that Spence side is the one holding up this fight. So as for the development, maybe it's better to put this fight aside this year and just not expect it from happening.

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My own realizations to this is Spence and his advisors are not ready for Crawford. What would be the next move for Spence this will not come into fruition?

I think it's Crawford's camp that questioned the clarity of the contract that is supposed to be done now. They are the ones who requested a clear view of the terms that are not being clear by Spence's side. Even Crawford is building his legacy, never he will allow Spence's camp to just put some terms just in favor of them.

Anyhow, if this fight won't push through, I think both Crawford and Spence have Plan B. If I remember it right, they are vocal about who's their preferred target if this fight won't take place.

Spence and his promoter cannot provide and not willing to provide all the details in order to clarify them. They are delaying everything. Why not just tell Crawford the truth instead of playing tricky games.

I read a comment here Ennis is next for Spence. The kid has an amazing record and majority of his wins by knockouts. A fantastic test for Spence. Crawford can move forward to the next division maybe.

We cannot really verify that information if Spence and his camp are the ones who are trying to delay the fight as much as possible, though we could point out blindly because we can somehow say that they are really behind the delays but as I said, we cannot really verify that claim because Crawford is still hoping to make the fight happen and he probably knows what is the real deal as he is in the discussion. Let's see what will be the development of this fight in the coming few weeks.

There's no update or any confirmation about that, either Spence itself or his handlers who's making the delay or
there's something deeper behind why the fight still pending.

Maybe they are working on it and both fighters are already in their trainings to make sure that they are prepared
enough once the fight push thru.

Fans are still hoping and who knows they will both agree and they will make things happen still.

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Quote from: Getmon on October 13, 2022, 08:47:46 AM

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My own realizations to this is Spence and his advisors are not ready for Crawford. What would be the next move for Spence this will not come into fruition?

I think it's Crawford's camp that questioned the clarity of the contract that is supposed to be done now. They are the ones who requested a clear view of the terms that are not being clear by Spence's side. Even Crawford is building his legacy, never he will allow Spence's camp to just put some terms just in favor of them.

Anyhow, if this fight won't push through, I think both Crawford and Spence have Plan B. If I remember it right, they are vocal about who's their preferred target if this fight won't take place.

Spence and his promoter cannot provide and not willing to provide all the details in order to clarify them. They are delaying everything. Why not just tell Crawford the truth instead of playing tricky games.

I read a comment here Ennis is next for Spence. The kid has an amazing record and majority of his wins by knockouts. A fantastic test for Spence. Crawford can move forward to the next division maybe.

We cannot really verify that information if Spence and his camp are the ones who are trying to delay the fight as much as possible, though we could point out blindly because we can somehow say that they are really behind the delays but as I said, we cannot really verify that claim because Crawford is still hoping to make the fight happen and he probably knows what is the real deal as he is in the discussion. Let's see what will be the development of this fight in the coming few weeks.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 13, 2022, 11:08:02 AM

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

They always have enough time to train. It's not that they will just start training once the fight is announced lol.

Even during negotiations or even before, they are now training because later or sooner, that negotiation will be official. And let's say the fight is not pushed anymore, there's always a next plan that's why they won't stop doing their regular training.

As for everyone here, we can now forget this fight happening this year. Doesn't mean though that it won't happened anymore but there's still next year or so.

If they have that intensions to proceed, then negotiations will continue in between, maybe not for this year or maybe it won't happen.

The reality of these fights will continue to rely on the decisions of both camps. They are the only venue who
can be reliable in providing information if ever they are still willing to move forward and offer this fight for the
fans and for the whole boxing industry.

I think negotiation is already happening but it's not over yet, or the negotiation has failed and they just don't want to disappoint us that's why they are not making an official announcement yet. Well, it's really hard to continue to expect when there's no developing good news, so it's better to be more realistic now that still being tied with the hype of this fight.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 13, 2022, 11:08:02 AM

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

They always have enough time to train. It's not that they will just start training once the fight is announced lol.

Even during negotiations or even before, they are now training because later or sooner, that negotiation will be official. And let's say the fight is not pushed anymore, there's always a next plan that's why they won't stop doing their regular training.

As for everyone here, we can now forget this fight happening this year. Doesn't mean though that it won't happened anymore but there's still next year or so.

If they have that intensions to proceed, then negotiations will continue in between, maybe not for this year or maybe it won't happen.

The reality of these fights will continue to rely on the decisions of both camps. They are the only venue who
can be reliable in providing information if ever they are still willing to move forward and offer this fight for the
fans and for the whole boxing industry.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 13, 2022, 11:08:02 AM

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

They always have enough time to train. It's not that they will just start training once the fight is announced lol.

Even during negotiations or even before, they are now training because later or sooner, that negotiation will be official. And let's say the fight is not pushed anymore, there's always a next plan that's why they won't stop doing their regular training.

As for everyone here, we can now forget this fight happening this year. Doesn't mean though that it won't happened anymore but there's still next year or so.

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I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.

I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

Well they have been teasing us of a November date and this is as early when this thread was open by the OP. And yet, in several months, nothing solid had happen, except like agreement in terms but in seems only verbal. So there is nothing concrete, so they will continue to tease us with this fight. Not sure if the problem is the split, maybe one corner (Spence), doesn't want this fight, in my opinion. Or they will wait till they see Crawford performance is going downhill.

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However, I disagree that the delay is not about money, still it, they are trying to be Floyd, undefeated, but if this is not going to materialized, then they are robbing us fans.

Not only the fans but are robbing each other of the money, opportunity, and legacy, so many things are at stake here for both of their careers, we can move forward and check other great fights but for these two fighters they just robbed one another with what great boxers should have and they will go down in history as two boxers who are coward to take their career to another level, I think they both don't like the fight to push, afraid that their zero losses will go.

Maybe yes and maybe there's other things that kept both camps to negotiate and close the deal. There are things that
still undecided or still not being cleared from both sides.

I see your point and maybe that's why Crawford on the earlier time said that he's willing to adjust with the amount of
potential profits, I mean he's willing to give Spence higher cut.

Still unclear if who's making the delay or maybe you are also right with your sentiment that both fighters don't want
to lose their winning records.

It is really unclear because we don't know anything about what could've been the reason why the fight has been further delayed, both camps are keeping the curtains close and we can't even feel that Crawford is giving some pressure to make the fight happen because he will be at the disadvantage if the fight keeps on moving behind the original schedule as time will not be on his side always. It's really hard to speculate when we don't know the correct details. Too bad if this fight won't really happen.

Yes, we are just waiting for a final update if there's already a confirmation if this fight will take place, as far as I understand
Crawford is vocally willing to adjust.

But we don't know the real score if it's Spence camps who's trying to avoid the fight or both of them
are not willing to risk both belts and records.

Too bad for most fans who are anticipating this possible fight as time goes by and the delay keeps on happening
possibly the interest will lessen, and fans and gamblers will be moving forward.

Some says this fight will happen January next year or somewhere in the first quarter, personally, that is quite hard to believe as of now mainly if there's no confirmation from either of the two camps that they are indeed trying to make it happen at the said date. It's not that it will lessen the interests of the people if the fight keeps on delaying but they are just going to be disappointed and tired of waiting.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on October 13, 2022, 10:26:27 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on October 13, 2022, 06:14:51 AM

I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.

I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

There's not enough time for training anymore, so this fight is not gonna happen this year, however, it would be better if we will know when it will happen so our effort of hyping the fight won't be wasted. As a fan, we like to see this undisputed fight, both fighters are great, so it's definitely a great entertainment for the fans, they just have to agree on the split, or they should not be afraid to risk their undefeated record.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 13, 2022, 06:14:51 AM

I share the same view, this fight won't happen this year just like what they first forecasted it because in the first place, if they want to make the fight happen then both camps should've done the right thing and wouldn't make the discussion so long. Maybe it's time for Crawford to face another boxer while their discussion between Spence's camp is blurry.

Crawford might be the first one to fight in super welter because I heard Spence have his mandatory fight if this won't happen.

I read some articles about this and it's interesting to see some ex-boxers talking about it like Bradley said a while ago who said the same thing because they won't be fighting this year.
And I think this is quite reasonable because even though there will definitely be some hype about this that will be raised but when you see that it is now at the end of 2022 then indeed the opportunity to fight for this year is a little difficult and maybe next year it can still happen if one of the camps does not avoid it. again Grin

Actually about this fight my expectations were too high and I had too much hope so that it was destroyed and I personally feel disappointed, but indeed this happened because of my expectations so that when they decided not to fight it was difficult for me to force.

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 10, 2022, 07:58:53 PM

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That is kind of weird, it somehow gave us some second thoughts or hopes that the fight will really happen this year but we cannot take away the fact that the bookies have listed the fight when the news broke that both camps already agreed and just waiting for the signing of contract without knowing that there's an unfortunate news just few days after they had listed it. Fans are still hoping for the promised fight but judging the situation they are in now, I can somehow say that this might happen next year.

At least fans are still giving a slight possibility that this fight will really happen. Who knows that bookies do have a reliable source that's why they are doing such a list even though there's no official announcement on where the fight will happen.

Even with this bad news recently, I'm still hoping that this fight will happen.

Even not on the supposed Nov. 19 or Nov. 30, at least in the early quarter of 2023.

At this point, both camps have been talking for 4 months already but still, all we have at the end is a slight possibility that this fight will happen. The latest rumor is that both camps might have stopped talking already, we don't even know if it's delayed or not because we are just hoping for some words that they haven't said. As of the bookies list's, they could erase that odds anytime they want.

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