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Topic: [Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 18. (Read 3675 times)

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I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

There's no problem on how much money the fight will generate but the concern is, no one is willing to a 50-50 split. Both camps have a big reason not to make it even and that's not making sense to them. It's really hard to negotiate on that part especially if both boxers have a big name.

Unless one of them will make way for a less split, then that's a good step for the fight to push through. The only time I remember seeing Crawford likely to accept a much less split is when his name becomes a candidate as an opponent to Manny Pacquiao (correct me if I'm wrong here). He accepts that because never in his career he got a chance to have a big fight.

Spence is not willing to take an even 50-50 split on Crawford, he already said that after he won against Danny Garcia.
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"I'm the big dog in the welterweight division,"
"He gotta take a backseat and take that 60-40 [split] or 70-30, whatever we give him.", Spence stated.
Source

The splitting is the most biggest problem and the hardest part while arranging a fight because it will really take a long time as both of the boxer is not willing to take an uneven split especially if both of them have big names like Spence and Crawford.

Well, Crawford is calling at Spence lately but the question is, if ever Spence will acknowledge and accept to fight Crawford then is he willing to accept what Spence's deal for him like a 60-40 split or worse 70-30? Spence is very vocal on his rank in the industy and just like the source said, he is the bigger dog so he is more entitled in the purse.
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You're exactly right about that, we can only speculate what is likely to happen this May but we can't ever conclude the exact thing unless these two are finish fighting in the ring. The one who prepared the most only increases his chances to win, it doesn't mean that it is already sure because if that's the measurement there's no need to fight.


Hahaha Grin more on the actual scene when these two champs meet inside the ring, all the hard work and preparations will be decided when each of them start throwing punches, the one who's eager to win will shine and if a lucky KO punch landed, it will be a sure win for him. Let's wait and see how both gentlemen will end this fight up.

Spence and Ugas are both known for this division. They've got the belt to stake, and it's a winner takes all fight.

Aside from the belts, there's also huge money behind and for sure that influence the most for both fighters in eagerly try to bring their best
inside the ring.
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This article was published last - Aug 4, 2021... Things have changed a lot probably now as Crawford is ranked higher than Spence on the pound for pound ranking and he is also the more active fighter.

There was a fight by Crawford after that date, and he beat Shawn Porter via TKO, so the more Crawford wins fights, the more his value should improve. Therefore, a 50-50 is just fair, or if ever they will not share 50% equal of the pie, at least Crawford should get more IMO.


It would be depends on how both parties will deal on this matter,

I remember how Pacquiao camps agree with Mayweather demand just to sign the deal and bring the fight into reality.
If ever Spence will win this fight against Ugas and decided to face Crawford, both parties will voice out what they want and see if
the other party will agree and adjust.

They are both champs and they are both have that capability beating one another. If both sides want this fight to happen, they
both need to agree and sign the contract.
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This article was published last - Aug 4, 2021... Things have changed a lot probably now as Crawford is ranked higher than Spence on the pound for pound ranking and he is also the more active fighter.

There was a fight by Crawford after that date, and he beat Shawn Porter via TKO, so the more Crawford wins fights, the more his value should improve. Therefore, a 50-50 is just fair, or if ever they will not share 50% equal of the pie, at least Crawford should get more IMO.
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I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

There's no problem on how much money the fight will generate but the concern is, no one is willing to a 50-50 split. Both camps have a big reason not to make it even and that's not making sense to them. It's really hard to negotiate on that part especially if both boxers have a big name.

Unless one of them will make way for a less split, then that's a good step for the fight to push through. The only time I remember seeing Crawford likely to accept a much less split is when his name becomes a candidate as an opponent to Manny Pacquiao (correct me if I'm wrong here). He accepts that because never in his career he got a chance to have a big fight.

Spence is not willing to take an even 50-50 split on Crawford, he already said that after he won against Danny Garcia.
Quote
"I'm the big dog in the welterweight division,"
"He gotta take a backseat and take that 60-40 [split] or 70-30, whatever we give him.", Spence stated.
Source

The splitting is the most biggest problem and the hardest part while arranging a fight because it will really take a long time as both of the boxer is not willing to take an uneven split especially if both of them have big names like Spence and Crawford.

This article was published last - Aug 4, 2021... Things have changed a lot probably now as Crawford is ranked higher than Spence on the pound for pound ranking and he is also the more active fighter. I don't understand why Spence is so greedy with the money, or is it just his accuse so he could not fight Crawford?
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I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

There's no problem on how much money the fight will generate but the concern is, no one is willing to a 50-50 split. Both camps have a big reason not to make it even and that's not making sense to them. It's really hard to negotiate on that part especially if both boxers have a big name.

Unless one of them will make way for a less split, then that's a good step for the fight to push through. The only time I remember seeing Crawford likely to accept a much less split is when his name becomes a candidate as an opponent to Manny Pacquiao (correct me if I'm wrong here). He accepts that because never in his career he got a chance to have a big fight.

Spence is not willing to take an even 50-50 split on Crawford, he already said that after he won against Danny Garcia.
Quote
"I'm the big dog in the welterweight division,"
"He gotta take a backseat and take that 60-40 [split] or 70-30, whatever we give him.", Spence stated.
Source

The splitting is the most biggest problem and the hardest part while arranging a fight because it will really take a long time as both of the boxer is not willing to take an uneven split especially if both of them have big names like Spence and Crawford.
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I think the point is that who is going to get the most of the purse split? Yes, money is in the table, but you have to think that this athlete has some ego, they wanted to be the top dog of the fight and maybe Spence wanted to have like 60-40 on his favor against Crawford but Crawford doesn't want to give it to him. Doesn't matter if he don't want to speak to it in public, on the contrary, if he doesn't comment on it, boxing fans might think he is avoiding Crawford at all cost.
Sometimes things are that simple, for people like us the money star boxers earn is for the most part completely outside of what we can earn in a lifetime, so if it were up to us we would say yes to that kind of split, but for the people involved it is not about the money anymore, they have a reputation to take care and a big ego to feed, after all if you think you can beat the person in front of you in a boxing fight would you want to give to them the most money? Probably not, which is the main reason why we see so many disputes when it comes to the money before a fight happens.

Right, and this is the most contention on super fight. And since boxing is now a business, money wise, this boxers wanted more and more, from networks to ppv numbers and that's why Spence said that Crawford can't draw crowd and not a PPV boxer. I do think that Floyd has started this trend, it's not for the legacy anymore, it's about how much money you can earn while you are still in the prime years of your career.
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I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

There's no problem on how much money the fight will generate but the concern is, no one is willing to a 50-50 split. Both camps have a big reason not to make it even and that's not making sense to them. It's really hard to negotiate on that part especially if both boxers have a big name.

Unless one of them will make way for a less split, then that's a good step for the fight to push through. The only time I remember seeing Crawford likely to accept a much less split is when his name becomes a candidate as an opponent to Manny Pacquiao (correct me if I'm wrong here). He accepts that because never in his career he got a chance to have a big fight.
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I think the point is that who is going to get the most of the purse split? Yes, money is in the table, but you have to think that this athlete has some ego, they wanted to be the top dog of the fight and maybe Spence wanted to have like 60-40 on his favor against Crawford but Crawford doesn't want to give it to him. Doesn't matter if he don't want to speak to it in public, on the contrary, if he doesn't comment on it, boxing fans might think he is avoiding Crawford at all cost.
Sometimes things are that simple, for people like us the money star boxers earn is for the most part completely outside of what we can earn in a lifetime, so if it were up to us we would say yes to that kind of split, but for the people involved it is not about the money anymore, they have a reputation to take care and a big ego to feed, after all if you think you can beat the person in front of you in a boxing fight would you want to give to them the most money? Probably not, which is the main reason why we see so many disputes when it comes to the money before a fight happens.
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Exactly! We cannot really compare Pacquiao with Spence to somehow get a better analysis on Ugas against Spence now on who has the advantage. Even them are just basing on the previous fights just to get some knowledge on each other's style as both sides haven't clash in recent years. Either way, both of them have prepared well and only one will go home with a belt.

The one who prepared most will take all the belts that in stake, there's no way concluding this fight with basing from their previous fights, unless we will see them both inside the ring and start throwing punches, the one who will survive will win. Both fighters are preparing, and they have conditioning drills and routines to increase their stamina.

But only one fighter will win unless the decision will go to a draw if both fighters will perform excellently and manage not to fall for a KO.

You're exactly right about that, we can only speculate what is likely to happen this May but we can't ever conclude the exact thing unless these two are finish fighting in the ring. The one who prepared the most only increases his chances to win, it doesn't mean that it is already sure because if that's the measurement there's no need to fight.
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

I think the main concern relies on the purse split why Spence seems to avoid Crawford. A 50-50 split is not making sense for Spence.

The reason? Between him and Crawford, the former seems the one that will make the possible fight profitable. He is a much-considered King of PPV compared to Crawford and that was proven already.

Maybe a 60-40 should be fine but I don't know if Crawford will like that idea.

Also another concern is the pot might not be very big enough for Spencer to accept Terence Crawford's challenge. As I mentioned before, Errol Spence Jr. is using a similar tactic as Floyd Mayweather where he will so no until the money is right for him to say yes. My only hope is they will not be old before they say yes similar to Amir Khan versus Kell Brook hehe.

I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

Money won't be a problem for this two boxers, I bet the paycheck is still that big enough, if not the biggest paycheck and it can always grow as time passed by specifically if indeed Spence will defeat Ugas because as you said that the hype is still there.
It's also possible that Spence won't speak about the fight for now to increase the deal, and he'll use this as an advantage because Crawford is still calling and looking forward to have a fight with him. Nonetheless, I know that they will fight sooner.

I think the point is that who is going to get the most of the purse split? Yes, money is in the table, but you have to think that this athlete has some ego, they wanted to be the top dog of the fight and maybe Spence wanted to have like 60-40 on his favor against Crawford but Crawford doesn't want to give it to him. Doesn't matter if he don't want to speak to it in public, on the contrary, if he doesn't comment on it, boxing fans might think he is avoiding Crawford at all cost.
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

I think the main concern relies on the purse split why Spence seems to avoid Crawford. A 50-50 split is not making sense for Spence.

The reason? Between him and Crawford, the former seems the one that will make the possible fight profitable. He is a much-considered King of PPV compared to Crawford and that was proven already.

Maybe a 60-40 should be fine but I don't know if Crawford will like that idea.

Also another concern is the pot might not be very big enough for Spencer to accept Terence Crawford's challenge. As I mentioned before, Errol Spence Jr. is using a similar tactic as Floyd Mayweather where he will so no until the money is right for him to say yes. My only hope is they will not be old before they say yes similar to Amir Khan versus Kell Brook hehe.

I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

Money won't be a problem for this two boxers, I bet the paycheck is still that big enough, if not the biggest paycheck and it can always grow as time passed by specifically if indeed Spence will defeat Ugas because as you said that the hype is still there.
It's also possible that Spence won't speak about the fight for now to increase the deal, and he'll use this as an advantage because Crawford is still calling and looking forward to have a fight with him. Nonetheless, I know that they will fight sooner.
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

I think the main concern relies on the purse split why Spence seems to avoid Crawford. A 50-50 split is not making sense for Spence.

The reason? Between him and Crawford, the former seems the one that will make the possible fight profitable. He is a much-considered King of PPV compared to Crawford and that was proven already.

Maybe a 60-40 should be fine but I don't know if Crawford will like that idea.

Also another concern is the pot might not be very big enough for Spencer to accept Terence Crawford's challenge. As I mentioned before, Errol Spence Jr. is using a similar tactic as Floyd Mayweather where he will so no until the money is right for him to say yes. My only hope is they will not be old before they say yes similar to Amir Khan versus Kell Brook hehe.

I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

I think the main concern relies on the purse split why Spence seems to avoid Crawford. A 50-50 split is not making sense for Spence.

The reason? Between him and Crawford, the former seems the one that will make the possible fight profitable. He is a much-considered King of PPV compared to Crawford and that was proven already.

Maybe a 60-40 should be fine but I don't know if Crawford will like that idea.

Also another concern is the pot might not be very big enough for Spencer to accept Terence Crawford's challenge. As I mentioned before, Errol Spence Jr. is using a similar tactic as Floyd Mayweather where he will so no until the money is right for him to say yes. My only hope is they will not be old before they say yes similar to Amir Khan versus Kell Brook hehe.
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Exactly! We cannot really compare Pacquiao with Spence to somehow get a better analysis on Ugas against Spence now on who has the advantage. Even them are just basing on the previous fights just to get some knowledge on each other's style as both sides haven't clash in recent years. Either way, both of them have prepared well and only one will go home with a belt.

The one who prepared most will take all the belts that in stake, there's no way concluding this fight with basing from their previous fights, unless we will see them both inside the ring and start throwing punches, the one who will survive will win. Both fighters are preparing, and they have conditioning drills and routines to increase their stamina.

But only one fighter will win unless the decision will go to a draw if both fighters will perform excellently and manage not to fall for a KO.
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Spence is different with Pacquaio is different since we can say that he's out of his prime and there are so many distraction on his trainings since he is running for higher office that's why he'd attention is split plus there's a sudden changes of opponent that's why Ugas have advantage since Pacquaio didn't prepared for their match up. But know since Spence is totally prepared I think this is though match for Ugas and for sure he will get a hard time defeating spence as this fighter still on his prime.
Yep, there's so many difference between Pacquiao and Spence, we can't compare the past result of Ugas vs Pacquiao to predict Ugas vs Spence. Even Ugas will train more harder than previous, it won't change really much since I've saw most boxer performance is similar with their previous match. This match is kind of cherry pick from Spence, he know Crawford is the one who can beat him.

As the saying goes, style makes fight, so we only know how Spence and Ugas style are going to clash. Could it be that one of them will totally dominate the other one because of their style. Their previous fight is just a preview to us how the fight will go base on our analysis. So I agree that we can't compare the style of Pacquiao and Spence. Ugas will have to adjust against Spence style if he wanted to win.

Exactly! We cannot really compare Pacquiao with Spence to somehow get a better analysis on Ugas against Spence now on who has the advantage. Even them are just basing on the previous fights just to get some knowledge on each other's style as both sides haven't clash in recent years. Either way, both of them have prepared well and only one will go home with a belt.
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At least in this case it can be used even if it's a little, Ugas is a strong fighter with complex abilities, But Spence is more than imagined.
Lowering your concentration against such a great boxer is a stupid thing to do and here of course Ugas and Spence won't do that.
Now is the proof that must be done so that when the match is over there will be no regrets
As a boxing fan then we would be wishing to see a good fight on where both boxers do giving out their best of their performance and we know that in every sport there would be only 1 winner unless if there would be

some draw which is really unlikely to happen most of the time.Spence is hard to be beaten up and some do even conclude already just because of some triangle kind of analysis which it isnt accurate most of the time.

We dont know on what are their preparations behind whether it would be effective against their current opponent or not.
Of course in a fight there must be one person who has to be the winner because it will not be fun if the fight goes with a draw in it and this will not benefit the fighters.
Spence is one of the strongest boxers right now but as you said, Strength alone is not enough because there has to be a good Strategy in it too.
Both boxers definitely have their own Strategy and we won't know until we can see their fight
Everything would be settled inside the ring as always and the best boxer would really end up on winning the fight.Some do even say that Ugas was underrated too
and slowly up gaining some noise on boxing industry and it all started when he do able to beat Pacquiao which is a huge stepping stone for him to be recognized.
Some people or boxing fans had been also anticipating for some another upset on this fight.

Upset will not happen anymore unless Spence would have trouble in the ring as Pacman had during their fight with Ugas. however, I think it will only happen on rare occasions so I still believe that the better fighter will win and that is Spence. Ugas has to prepare harder because he cannot use his lenght against Spence who is very aggressive and have power in both hands.
Reach or length is an advantage which he do need to utilize for his advantage but its true that it would be pointless or something useless when you fight an aggressive fighter.
Upset is unlikely but we know that chances or odds could really happen but Ugas should really need to push up that hard because this isnt something that he could pull easily.
Of course Spence wouldnt really let that thing to happen.
Even though Spence is indeed very seeded but this does not mean it will be an easy fight.
He had to work really hard in this fight as well because Ugas wasn't an easy thing to deal with either.
I personally am quite inclined to be in Spence's camp but this can't be too sure because there are indeed several reasons that make Ugas a stumbling block too
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

Exactly, too much speculations but the real score will be unfold when the battle is going on inside the ring. Let's see how Spence will going to handle the fight against Ugas and hopefully a Crawford vs. Spence battle will be given a chance to happen in the near future. But as of now, let's focus on what is the scheduled fight and let's witness who's from the two great fighter will be the winner. Well, it's undeniable that Spence really win the heart of many boxer fans.

You're right mate, speculations are natural because as a boxing fan it's normal that we are analyzing the fight but having too much speculations ain't good and it will probably end up arguing someone who have a different view or opinion. So let's just wait and see who will win on these two great boxers.

Not just the fans, even the bookies are seeing Spence as the favorite but yes, it's somehow expected that he is going to be the favorite on this fight.
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Anyhow, this fight is going to happen and it all depends on the outcome, if Spence win then maybe he will call out Crawford or maybe he will ask by a reporter about the potential fight and see what his response will be.

I think he does not have to do that as Crawford already called him, he just needs to answer that call. Since that is going to be the biggest fight in the division, maybe there's a lot of discussions that will have to be done before they can finalize the fight. These champions They have to agree with the terms in order to make this happen, if one is greedy enough then no doubt no fight will be realize.
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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

Exactly, too much speculations but the real score will be unfold when the battle is going on inside the ring. Let's see how Spence will going to handle the fight against Ugas and hopefully a Crawford vs. Spence battle will be given a chance to happen in the near future. But as of now, let's focus on what is the scheduled fight and let's witness who's from the two great fighter will be the winner. Well, it's undeniable that Spence really win the heart of many boxer fans.

Spence seems to have not shown his interest when he was challenged by Crawford. I guess when Crawford challenges him, Crawford is still working with the Top Rank, but now that he promotes himself, maybe they can adjust the purse sharing just to make this awaited fight happen.

Yes, the fight can easily be made right now since Crawford manages himself. Hmm, I just thinking, maybe this is a bait for Crawford though, what if Spence will fight him but he needs to join Al Haymon and PBC?

But you are right, let's wait first for the outcome of this fight.

Anyhow, this fight is going to happen and it all depends on the outcome, if Spence win then maybe he will call out Crawford or maybe he will ask by a reporter about the potential fight and see what his response will be.
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