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Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Absolutely. Ugas has successfully beats Pacquiao. So I think Errol Spence will be a big losser of this match. If Ugas prepare well and be sharp, good footwork and throw more punches, Eroll will be in trouble.

Manny Pacquiao is not already in his prime and the match result is not a convincing win for him since the score tally difference is not that huge. Errol Spence is much dangerous to current MP that’s why MP keeps dodging this young deadly boxer since they know that Errol has an incredible speed and quick thinking inside the ring. I’m sure the match will be interesting by I’m not gonna put my money to Ugas this time because Errol Spence already prove his strength base on his matches and all of them is pretty convincing win for him.

No question about Spence strength he still young even he came from an accident he proves that he can comeback inside the ring

and win a fight against strong opponent like Porter, though we can't say that it will be an assurance to all bettors that he will win this

fight. Ugas is also a champ and have preparation that will condition himself to make sure that he is ready to face the heavy favored

Spence.

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Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Absolutely. Ugas has successfully beats Pacquiao. So I think Errol Spence will be a big losser of this match. If Ugas prepare well and be sharp, good footwork and throw more punches, Eroll will be in trouble.

Manny Pacquiao is not already in his prime and the match result is not a convincing win for him since the score tally difference is not that huge. Errol Spence is much dangerous to current MP that’s why MP keeps dodging this young deadly boxer since they know that Errol has an incredible speed and quick thinking inside the ring. I’m sure the match will be interesting by I’m not gonna put my money to Ugas this time because Errol Spence already prove his strength base on his matches and all of them is pretty convincing win for him.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 18, 2022, 07:03:44 AM

Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Absolutely. Ugas has successfully beats Pacquiao. So I think Errol Spence will be a big losser of this match. If Ugas prepare well and be sharp, good footwork and throw more punches, Eroll will be in trouble.

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Blair Cobbs makes prediction for Errol Spence Jr. vs. Yordenis Ugas

About a week ago, WBC-NABF welterweight champion Blair Cobbs shared his prediction on this upcoming fight between Errol Spence Jr and Yordenis Ugas.

He sides on Ugas to win this match as he sees Spence doesn't have that usual fighting spirit anymore compared to his previous fights. I don't know what he meant for that tough. He also shared the ring with Ugas and maybe already sees the style that can match Spence Jr. He also showed interest in betting money with Ugas to support his stand.

Out of topic but Cobbs has a scheduled fight 2 days from now.

He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

It can only be concluded once the announcer announces who wins the fight and earned all the belts that being a stake in this upcoming fight.

It's quite interesting in my side on about what he sees on Spence Jr. for him to say something like that and that he's going to bet on Ugas's favor on winning the fight. Needless to say Spence Jr here has the higher hand and the heavy favorite against Ugas, betting against him can be risky but there's a sure huge money if ever that same bet goes through.

If he's that dead serious on siding Ugas then he should at least show some bet slip for proof.

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Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Actually we can't really predict precisely the outcome of the upcoming battle of Yordenis Ugas vs. Errol Spence Jr because both fighter has a skills and potentials that made them advantages to each and everyone. We can say that the betting odds for this upcoming battle is in favor of Errol Spencer and seem like Ugas is the underdog here but who knows right, we can only say what will be the end result once the battle started out. I am expecting that this fight will be a hard fight for both of them.

In the first place, no one can predict precisely, even if the odds of the favorite is 1.01 because anything can happen in the ring. Maybe Spence is the favorite to win, but what if he will get injured in the ring and Ugas will take advantage of that, or what if he is out of shape after not being active for a while?

Lots of what if, that's because we are not certain of the result.

I don't think its more about predicting with precision but rather with probability. We can't really take in unknown variables like "Spence might get injured". We have to look at the current facts and work from there. The facts say that the last time we saw Spence impress us in action was when he defended the 2020 unified championship against Danny Garcia. That was the first fight for Spence since he was involved in that 2019 car accident. Odds were not looking that good for Spence. But he still pulled through and never showed any ill effects from the car crash.

So my money is on Spence, just because of how well he has been doing.

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Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Actually we can't really predict precisely the outcome of the upcoming battle of Yordenis Ugas vs. Errol Spence Jr because both fighter has a skills and potentials that made them advantages to each and everyone. We can say that the betting odds for this upcoming battle is in favor of Errol Spencer and seem like Ugas is the underdog here but who knows right, we can only say what will be the end result once the battle started out. I am expecting that this fight will be a hard fight for both of them.

In the first place, no one can predict precisely, even if the odds of the favorite is 1.01 because anything can happen in the ring. Maybe Spence is the favorite to win, but what if he will get injured in the ring and Ugas will take advantage of that, or what if he is out of shape after not being active for a while?

Lots of what if, that's because we are not certain of the result.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 18, 2022, 07:03:44 AM

Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

Actually we can't really predict precisely the outcome of the upcoming battle of Yordenis Ugas vs. Errol Spence Jr because both fighter has a skills and potentials that made them advantages to each and everyone. We can say that the betting odds for this upcoming battle is in favor of Errol Spencer and seem like Ugas is the underdog here but who knows right, we can only say what will be the end result once the battle started out. I am expecting that this fight will be a hard fight for both of them.

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He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

That is just proof that Ugas is not really an underdog to consider here. Not just Blair Cobbs but other boxers also analyze that Ugas has the chance to beat Spence.

Are they just really bitter at Spence? I think no since they know both personally. If we take that question back before the car accident, maybe no one will choose Ugas. This is the first time I saw Spence not really favored by most especially against Ugas which is not popular by others until he beat Manny Pacquiao.

I can't wait to see how Ugas will approach the much deadly Spence Jr on this fight. Let's hope to watch a fight that is not dictated by one but rather both are struggling to win and every round is a hard choice on who wins on that.

I don't think Ugas is a very obvious underdog either.
I'm also thinking the odds might not be that great or distant from the favourite. Ugas has all the potential to win this fight, though we all know Spence might be the more skilled fighter between them.
However, Ugas might be the smartest fighter between them as well. It's not easy beating Manny even If he's out of his prime though. Ugas beat him almost every round by countering all Manny's attack.

If the odds shared above are still the current odds, then I would say that the odds are not close.

About how Ugas beat Pacman, yes, it's very clear that it's a one-sided fight, however, Spence is still in his prime and he hits harder than Pacman probably, and being an undefeated champion Spence is, it's hard to bet against him as he could just dominate the fight just like how Porter beat Ugas when they met.

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He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

That is just proof that Ugas is not really an underdog to consider here. Not just Blair Cobbs but other boxers also analyze that Ugas has the chance to beat Spence.

Are they just really bitter at Spence? I think no since they know both personally. If we take that question back before the car accident, maybe no one will choose Ugas. This is the first time I saw Spence not really favored by most especially against Ugas which is not popular by others until he beat Manny Pacquiao.

I can't wait to see how Ugas will approach the much deadly Spence Jr on this fight. Let's hope to watch a fight that is not dictated by one but rather both are struggling to win and every round is a hard choice on who wins on that.

I don't think Ugas is a very obvious underdog either.
I'm also thinking the odds might not be that great or distant from the favourite. Ugas has all the potential to win this fight, though we all know Spence might be the more skilled fighter between them.
However, Ugas might be the smartest fighter between them as well. It's not easy beating Manny even If he's out of his prime though. Ugas beat him almost every round by countering all Manny's attack.

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Quote from: joeperry on March 18, 2022, 07:03:44 AM

Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

No, not really, on your personal view maybe but on the bookmaker's view, it's Spence who has the bigger edge on the fight.
Odds is what most people think about the fight, and odds would never like.

as you can see,
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/insight/boxing/mma/20220218-errol-spence-vs-yordenis-ugas-odds-bettors-likes-the-underdog

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Odds   Result   Implied chance
-350   Errol Spence Jr. Wins   77.8%
+275   Yordenis Ugas   26.7%
+2000   Draw   4.8%

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Errol Spence Jr was supposed to be the original opponent of Manny Pacquiao right and ended up with Yordenis Ugas which where he lost. This could be an interesting match I think Yordenis has a higher chance of winning since I was looking at previous match of Pacquiao and Spence Jr. I see that Pacquaio has an advantage but losses to Ugas so there's a high possibility that Ugas will win the match.

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I am only speculating that it might be a waiting game like Mayweather and Pacquiao. Boxing is not only a sport for the professional boxers. It is also a business and I am certain that many kings in their divisions also want to become something similar to Floyd Mayweather. My only wish is they will not be very ancient if they fight hehehe.

They can delay if they want because they are still at their peak now, both undefeated so people would still be excited in watching them. The longer the delay it, the more the excitement will increase, but please don't delay too much.

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Did you see Amir Khan versus Kell Brook? That fight was years late, I reckon.

yeah I know but both boxers are not already in their prime, in fact, after that fight Khan said he will consider retiring from boxing.

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Too much speculation is not good, let's wait for the result of this fight, and let's see how Crawford and Spence would react to a possible big fight. AFAIK, Crawford is already willing to fight Spence, so if Spence would say no, people will lose respect for him as a champion.

for reference, ; https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/terence-crawford-calls-for-errol-spence-fight/206552

I think the main concern relies on the purse split why Spence seems to avoid Crawford. A 50-50 split is not making sense for Spence.

The reason? Between him and Crawford, the former seems the one that will make the possible fight profitable. He is a much-considered King of PPV compared to Crawford and that was proven already.

Maybe a 60-40 should be fine but I don't know if Crawford will like that idea.

Also another concern is the pot might not be very big enough for Spencer to accept Terence Crawford's challenge. As I mentioned before, Errol Spence Jr. is using a similar tactic as Floyd Mayweather where he will so no until the money is right for him to say yes. My only hope is they will not be old before they say yes similar to Amir Khan versus Kell Brook hehe.

I don't think there will be no money in this fight, there will be enough for both, biggest paycheck ever for anyone of them. The hype is still there specially if Spence bet Ugas in his fight. Crawford has been calling him for quite sometime now, it's up to Spence to response back to make this fight happen. We don't want to see him on the downturn of their career before facing each other. It should be in their primes, in the next 2 years.

I never told everyone that there will be no money for Spence versus Crawford, however, it would be very wrong to assume that there will be enough money on offer for 1 of the fighters. I am implying Errol Spence might want more than how much is on offer for him to fight the other king of the welterweight division. This is happening very much similar to Mayweather vs. Pacquiao. There were offers proposed for Mayweather, however, he rejected them because he was very certain the next offer would be bigger. He waited until he thought it was the biggest offer possible from the promoters. I reckon Spence is also waiting for the biggest offer that he speculates would be the biggest possible from the promoters.

So you saying that it will be waiting game moving forward? If that will be the reasoning that maybe there will be no hype if they decided to fight in the next couple of years or when Spence is satisfied with the offer. And who knows, maybe along the way there could be some that might come up and this fight might not going to happen until it was too late.

And it seems that Crawford will have to sit because of this one:

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Terence Crawford has filed a lawsuit against his former promoter Bob Arum’s Top Rank, in which he’s alleged that ‘revolting racial bias’ prevented him from securing big fights and earning millions of dollars.

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I am only speculating that it might be a waiting game like Mayweather and Pacquiao. Boxing is not only a sport for the professional boxers. It is also a business and I am certain that many kings in their divisions also want to become something similar to Floyd Mayweather. My only wish is they will not be very ancient if they fight hehehe. Did you see Amir Khan versus Kell Brook? That fight was years late, I reckon.

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He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

That is just proof that Ugas is not really an underdog to consider here. Not just Blair Cobbs but other boxers also analyze that Ugas has the chance to beat Spence.

Are they just really bitter at Spence? I think no since they know both personally. If we take that question back before the car accident, maybe no one will choose Ugas. This is the first time I saw Spence not really favored by most especially against Ugas which is not popular by others until he beat Manny Pacquiao.

I can't wait to see how Ugas will approach the much deadly Spence Jr on this fight. Let's hope to watch a fight that is not dictated by one but rather both are struggling to win and every round is a hard choice on who wins on that.

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I think the point is that who is going to get the most of the purse split? Yes, money is in the table, but you have to think that this athlete has some ego, they wanted to be the top dog of the fight and maybe Spence wanted to have like 60-40 on his favor against Crawford but Crawford doesn't want to give it to him. Doesn't matter if he don't want to speak to it in public, on the contrary, if he doesn't comment on it, boxing fans might think he is avoiding Crawford at all cost.

Sometimes things are that simple, for people like us the money star boxers earn is for the most part completely outside of what we can earn in a lifetime, so if it were up to us we would say yes to that kind of split, but for the people involved it is not about the money anymore, they have a reputation to take care and a big ego to feed, after all if you think you can beat the person in front of you in a boxing fight would you want to give to them the most money? Probably not, which is the main reason why we see so many disputes when it comes to the money before a fight happens.

You are right, not only the boxers already have a life made with a fight of this caliber, the promoters too, in addition this generates a lot of money, to say that it does not generate money is to say that for them it can be a profit of less than $2.5M-3M which is very little, these people must be above those amounts, that is why now based on or in the name of sport they make these fights, some tell them that it is for the fans to have more fun or emotions, but here we all know that one of the biggest profits in all sports is boxing, this industry accumulates as much money as possible, just the case that is happening with Canelo that they want to fight with Bivol, Bivol is Russian, but here they have not spoken to eliminate or postpone the fight because he is Russian, why? for the mone...

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He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

It can only be concluded once the announcer announces who wins the fight and earned all the belts that being a stake in this upcoming fight.

Everything would be unknown until the referee would announce the winner and also we do have our own opinions and views about particular fights but since Cobbs is a boxer and a champion
then it isnt bad to assume out that those words are considerable to believe on but still wont be enough on making out some assurances that Ugas would win on this one.It is just his
own personal opinion though on how he had seen that fading fighting spirit of Spence which the community or boxing fans havent seen that problem or simply talks
about ring rust?

Each fans will surely have favorable opinion towards their supported fighters and there's nothing really wrong with that since this discussion will just spice up the upcoming match and will add the hype on the fight night so I guess we can see more speculatige discussion the way fighters handle their trainings and other things. In Ugas case he came from impressive victory and his confidence level is so high so I guess this will give huge impact on his upcoming.

For Spence experiencing ring rust? I don't really believe it but might possibly happen but as he is young and still consider one of the best fighter on this generatiom maybe we cannot see that to him at this moment.

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He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

It can only be concluded once the announcer announces who wins the fight and earned all the belts that being a stake in this upcoming fight.

Everything would be unknown until the referee would announce the winner and also we do have our own opinions and views about particular fights but since Cobbs is a boxer and a champion
then it isnt bad to assume out that those words are considerable to believe on but still wont be enough on making out some assurances that Ugas would win on this one.It is just his
own personal opinion though on how he had seen that fading fighting spirit of Spence which the community or boxing fans havent seen that problem or simply talks
about ring rust?

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Quote from: harizen on March 16, 2022, 08:19:32 PM

Blair Cobbs makes prediction for Errol Spence Jr. vs. Yordenis Ugas

About a week ago, WBC-NABF welterweight champion Blair Cobbs shared his prediction on this upcoming fight between Errol Spence Jr and Yordenis Ugas.

He sides on Ugas to win this match as he sees Spence doesn't have that usual fighting spirit anymore compared to his previous fights. I don't know what he meant for that tough. He also shared the ring with Ugas and maybe already sees the style that can match Spence Jr. He also showed interest in betting money with Ugas to support his stand.

Out of topic but Cobbs has a scheduled fight 2 days from now.

He might see something or smell something but still the heavy favorite sided to Spence and if he's serious about placing his bet for Ugas
that would be interesting as the odd is way better if Ugas wins this fight. Too early and everyone has their own predictions and back up opinions about to who will win this fight.

It can only be concluded once the announcer announces who wins the fight and earned all the belts that being a stake in this upcoming fight.

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^^ Spence should really be careful and not to take Ugas lightly because who knows, ring rust might affect Spence here and it might be too late before he can recover from that as Ugas might piled in points early on him. So still one month to go before the fight, just enough for them to really unwind their training for this big fight. Boxing media has started to pick up as well with Spence interviews here and there.

For sure there are some ring rust, but knowing how good Spence is, it should not be a big disadvantage for him because he already did that in the past when he met a car accident, came back, and beat Shawn Porter. IMO, Shawn Porter is even better than Ugas based on their previous fight.

I believe this will only happen if the fighter is out of his prime but since Spence still on his best shape then provably he will make the life of Ugas hard on this fight. But I don't agree on what he is doing now by thinking his next opponent since its like he's downplaying this fight and think about he can defeat Ugas on this match. Maybe he need to stay focus on the fight and forget other things so that he can make sure that he is on his best shape on their fight night.

In some sense, it's just showing his confidence or he just trying to be inspired, thinking that the next fight is bigger than this one.

If he beats Ugas, the next one to accomplish is Crawford, and that might really be a good inspiration to think ahead, but likewise

focusing first on this upcoming fight is needed. We never know what preparation Ugas is undergoing by now to be more prepared

once the fight takes place.

Beating Ugas is not a problem for Spence, however, fighting Crawford is a different story as these fighters have not reached an agreement that they will fight despite the fact that they can unify and could make a lot of money for the big fight. Seems like one is challenging but the other is a dodging a fighter, don't know who is telling the truth, so I would just watch and not speculate too much of this happening.

Let's just start on speculating about Crawford vs Spence if these two boxers have already reach an agreement that they will fight, this deal will really take some time as one of them doesn't want a lower cut. For now, let's focus on this upcoming fight of Spence against Ugas as this is also an interesting fight.

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Blair Cobbs makes prediction for Errol Spence Jr. vs. Yordenis Ugas

About a week ago, WBC-NABF welterweight champion Blair Cobbs shared his prediction on this upcoming fight between Errol Spence Jr and Yordenis Ugas.

He sides on Ugas to win this match as he sees Spence doesn't have that usual fighting spirit anymore compared to his previous fights. I don't know what he meant for that tough. He also shared the ring with Ugas and maybe already sees the style that can match Spence Jr. He also showed interest in betting money with Ugas to support his stand.

Out of topic but Cobbs has a scheduled fight 2 days from now.

Hmm, not sure what he was talking as well, but maybe the lost layoff of Spence might be a big factor that's why he sided on Ugas on this one.

Good if he can back up his talk on supporting Ugas on this fight, he is the underdog so it's going to be a winfall if Ugas win. So different opinions on this fight, a lot of good points that we can't really take into account before making out bet.

He better shows his betting slip as proof. Grin

Well, everyone can make their own prediction, not because Spence is the favorite to win would mean that he will win. Of course, he has a point, he doesn't see the fighting spirit anymore beacuse he has not been active anymore, his last fight was over a year ago.

Topic: [Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match - page 16. (Read 3688 times)