Topic: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 - page 13. (Read 3050 times)

Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 18, 2022, 09:45:44 PM

Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Haney is more tactical he seldom makes a mistake and a good counter puncher.

This is what Lopez doesn't have. If we still remember how Lopez fought when he lose against Kambasos, he was so aggressive that he forget to pay attention to his defense, the country punches of Kambasos went through although at some point he hurt Kambasos but it wasn't enough to KO him.

Haney by decision is probably the result.

But the thing is, if he just make one single mistake in this fight, an aggressive Kambosos might take advantage of it. An old Linares almost knock out Haney in their fight, it's that Linares is tired late in the round that's why he didn't make a follow-up. So if that is Kambosos, then maybe it will be a knock out win. Yes, he is a technical fighter, no question about it, but Kambosos might counter it with his pure aggressiveness just like in the Lopez fight.

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

Yes 50% is already a good percentage to pull a decent knockout, but Haney have more chances to pull a knockout victory over Kambosos together with his defensive capabilities to withstand Kambosos heavy punches. However, this fight is unlikely to result a KO and it will last until the 12th round and most probably end by a decision. I hope we can see more of a toe-to-toe fight on this one as both fighters have different skill set.

Yeah, that's the thing, he is against Haney who is an undefeated fighter, so it's not gonna be easy for him as Haney for sure is going to move well on the court knowing how Kambasos would try to be more aggressive and so he can also make sure that the judges would not score in favor of Kambasos.

There's a reason why Haney is the favorite, in short he is the better fighter based on what majority thinks of this fight.

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Exactly mate! Haney will make sure that his punches will have the most score every round and avoid getting caught by Kambosos's punches when he is aggressive. Haney won't have a hard time dodging that heavy punches because he have the reach advantage so his accurate counterpunch will be enough if he will utilize it well when Kambosos is trying to reach within Haney's area.

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Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Haney is more tactical he seldom makes a mistake and a good counter puncher.

This is what Lopez doesn't have. If we still remember how Lopez fought when he lose against Kambasos, he was so aggressive that he forget to pay attention to his defense, the country punches of Kambasos went through although at some point he hurt Kambasos but it wasn't enough to KO him.

Haney by decision is probably the result.

But the thing is, if he just make one single mistake in this fight, an aggressive Kambosos might take advantage of it. An old Linares almost knock out Haney in their fight, it's that Linares is tired late in the round that's why he didn't make a follow-up. So if that is Kambosos, then maybe it will be a knock out win. Yes, he is a technical fighter, no question about it, but Kambosos might counter it with his pure aggressiveness just like in the Lopez fight.

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

We will have to see, Haney doesn't have a good chin as I have said, and if Kambosos will touch that hard then we can see if Haney can readjust his gameplan or that power of Kambosos is enough to score a knock out victory for him.

But the bookies is leaning towards the defense of Haney and his accurately in counter that could win the fight for him. That's why he is the favorite. But we can't underestimate the champion here who is making his defense in his own soil.

Haney himself knows that he don't have a strong chin and he also knew that if he will get caught by Kambosos's power punch, he won't be in a good situation that's why Haney is focusing on his defensive style rather than his power because that's just his only way to win a fight but he cannot be underestimated because we knew how accurate his punches are and Kambosos should also be aware of that. This will be a tough match to see this June, both of them have their own skill set so this will be interesting.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 22, 2022, 11:14:14 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:30:11 PM

Kambosos has beaten Haneys trainer (Mickey Bey) 2 fights previously, this is a big feather in the cap for this fight because Mickey and Haney have similarities in style, particularly jab and back foot defence.

I think this comparison are no longer valid since Bey's prime has passed when he fight against Kambosos, he was an active boxer on 2007-2014... after he lose from Kambosos, he never fought anyone anymore.

The interesting thing is Haney get exposed when he fought with Linares on a year ago, Linares throw quick combination of right and left punch to Haney on 10th rounds, Haney almost fell but he can still walk to the corners.

This could be an advantages to Kambosos as we know he's quick puncher, Haney wouldn't survived if Kambosos can throw a quick clean punches. However Haney has a good surprise punch, his left hook was insane.

Even if Kambosos have beaten Mickey Bey last 2019, it's not an outstanding win because that time Bey was already 35 years old and he's inactive in the boxing industry as he is only doing 1 fight every 2 years before he was defeated by Kambosos by a split decision. Haney and Bey's only similarities is their boxing style but in terms of power, it's clear that Haney has it more.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:30:11 PM

Kambosos has beaten Haneys trainer (Mickey Bey) 2 fights previously, this is a big feather in the cap for this fight because Mickey and Haney have similarities in style, particularly jab and back foot defence.

I think this comparison are no longer valid since Bey's prime has passed when he fight against Kambosos, he was an active boxer on 2007-2014... after he lose from Kambosos, he never fought anyone anymore.

The interesting thing is Haney get exposed when he fought with Linares on a year ago, Linares throw quick combination of right and left punch to Haney on 10th rounds, Haney almost fell but he can still walk to the corners.

This could be an advantages to Kambosos as we know he's quick puncher, Haney wouldn't survived if Kambosos can throw a quick clean punches. However Haney has a good surprise punch, his left hook was insane.

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Quote from: serjent05 on April 22, 2022, 12:30:11 PM

I was watching the video of these two fighter and one thing I noticed is that Kamboso is the faster fighter. His hand speed is way better than Haney maybe because Haney always considered being on the defense-first which is both a pro and cons in a fight. I then search for some detailed stats explanation and I saw this one which I agree...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/rlg1gc/i_think_haney_is_going_to_have_real_problems_with/

To highlight some explanations on this link:

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In the fight (this is where it really matters):

Kambosos’s chin has been tested and it passes the vibe check. Haney simply will not have enough power to make Kambosos worried, this I’m almost certain of. Haney has m “keep you cautious” pop. Teo had “you’re gonna get fortnite danced on and not be awake for it” power and Kambosos ate plenty of his shots clean without being phased. Mind you got dropped and came back to win the next 2 rounds.
Kambosos has beaten Haneys trainer (Mickey Bey) 2 fights previously, this is a big feather in the cap for this fight because Mickey and Haney have similarities in style, particularly jab and back foot defence.
Haney was getting figured out by JoJo towards the end with working around his Philly shell, I think kambosos will figure this out a lot quicker than JoJo. Haney tends to also lean to his outer side when shelling up, not a good idea when kambosos throws quick hooks off the jab.
Haneys defence is far better when he has two feet planted and he can roll. He’s not as good at (still good though) defending on the fly, but Haney can’t be a still punching bag for the quick combinations that kambosos will throw for 12 rounds consistently.
Haney has been proven to be chinny, whilst not dropped and to be fair not marked up that bad, Haney has been stumbled especially from fast combinations, Thats Kambosos’s bread and butter

Maybe this is somehow lean towards Kambosos' favor but if this fact shows inside the ring then we can probably see Kambosos winning the fight.

But of course, these things are nullified if Kambosos kisses the canvass early on in the fight.

That hand speed help him a lot during the Teo Lopez fight. Lopez has a decent hand speed, but Kambosos beat him to the punch. If he can do it against Haney, they I don't see him kissing the canvass and it could be the other way away.

Yes, Haney is 'chinny', so just imagine if that punch that hit Lopez that put him down is reproduce by Kambosos, I doubt that Haney can recover from that. Chinny fighter doesn't have a good recuperation time if they got knock down.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 18, 2022, 09:45:44 PM

Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Haney is more tactical he seldom makes a mistake and a good counter puncher.

This is what Lopez doesn't have. If we still remember how Lopez fought when he lose against Kambasos, he was so aggressive that he forget to pay attention to his defense, the country punches of Kambasos went through although at some point he hurt Kambasos but it wasn't enough to KO him.

Haney by decision is probably the result.

But the thing is, if he just make one single mistake in this fight, an aggressive Kambosos might take advantage of it. An old Linares almost knock out Haney in their fight, it's that Linares is tired late in the round that's why he didn't make a follow-up. So if that is Kambosos, then maybe it will be a knock out win. Yes, he is a technical fighter, no question about it, but Kambosos might counter it with his pure aggressiveness just like in the Lopez fight.

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

We will have to see, Haney doesn't have a good chin as I have said, and if Kambosos will touch that hard then we can see if Haney can readjust his gameplan or that power of Kambosos is enough to score a knock out victory for him.

But the bookies is leaning towards the defense of Haney and his accurately in counter that could win the fight for him. That's why he is the favorite. But we can't underestimate the champion here who is making his defense in his own soil.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 18, 2022, 09:45:44 PM

Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Haney is more tactical he seldom makes a mistake and a good counter puncher.

This is what Lopez doesn't have. If we still remember how Lopez fought when he lose against Kambasos, he was so aggressive that he forget to pay attention to his defense, the country punches of Kambasos went through although at some point he hurt Kambasos but it wasn't enough to KO him.

Haney by decision is probably the result.

But the thing is, if he just make one single mistake in this fight, an aggressive Kambosos might take advantage of it. An old Linares almost knock out Haney in their fight, it's that Linares is tired late in the round that's why he didn't make a follow-up. So if that is Kambosos, then maybe it will be a knock out win. Yes, he is a technical fighter, no question about it, but Kambosos might counter it with his pure aggressiveness just like in the Lopez fight.

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

Yes 50% is already a good percentage to pull a decent knockout, but Haney have more chances to pull a knockout victory over Kambosos together with his defensive capabilities to withstand Kambosos heavy punches. However, this fight is unlikely to result a KO and it will last until the 12th round and most probably end by a decision. I hope we can see more of a toe-to-toe fight on this one as both fighters have different skill set.

Yeah, that's the thing, he is against Haney who is an undefeated fighter, so it's not gonna be easy for him as Haney for sure is going to move well on the court knowing how Kambasos would try to be more aggressive and so he can also make sure that the judges would not score in favor of Kambasos.

There's a reason why Haney is the favorite, in short he is the better fighter based on what majority thinks of this fight.

Helpful comparison @serjent05

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I was watching the video of these two fighter and one thing I noticed is that Kamboso is the faster fighter. His hand speed is way better than Haney maybe because Haney always considered being on the defense-first which is both a pro and cons in a fight. I then search for some detailed stats explanation and I saw this one which I agree...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/rlg1gc/i_think_haney_is_going_to_have_real_problems_with/

To highlight some explanations on this link:

Quote

In the fight (this is where it really matters):

Kambosos’s chin has been tested and it passes the vibe check. Haney simply will not have enough power to make Kambosos worried, this I’m almost certain of. Haney has m “keep you cautious” pop. Teo had “you’re gonna get fortnite danced on and not be awake for it” power and Kambosos ate plenty of his shots clean without being phased. Mind you got dropped and came back to win the next 2 rounds.
Kambosos has beaten Haneys trainer (Mickey Bey) 2 fights previously, this is a big feather in the cap for this fight because Mickey and Haney have similarities in style, particularly jab and back foot defence.
Haney was getting figured out by JoJo towards the end with working around his Philly shell, I think kambosos will figure this out a lot quicker than JoJo. Haney tends to also lean to his outer side when shelling up, not a good idea when kambosos throws quick hooks off the jab.
Haneys defence is far better when he has two feet planted and he can roll. He’s not as good at (still good though) defending on the fly, but Haney can’t be a still punching bag for the quick combinations that kambosos will throw for 12 rounds consistently.
Haney has been proven to be chinny, whilst not dropped and to be fair not marked up that bad, Haney has been stumbled especially from fast combinations, Thats Kambosos’s bread and butter

Maybe this is somehow lean towards Kambosos' favor but if this fact shows inside the ring then we can probably see Kambosos winning the fight.

But of course, these things are nullified if Kambosos kisses the canvass early on in the fight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on April 18, 2022, 09:45:44 PM

Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Haney is more tactical he seldom makes a mistake and a good counter puncher.

This is what Lopez doesn't have. If we still remember how Lopez fought when he lose against Kambasos, he was so aggressive that he forget to pay attention to his defense, the country punches of Kambasos went through although at some point he hurt Kambasos but it wasn't enough to KO him.

Haney by decision is probably the result.

But the thing is, if he just make one single mistake in this fight, an aggressive Kambosos might take advantage of it. An old Linares almost knock out Haney in their fight, it's that Linares is tired late in the round that's why he didn't make a follow-up. So if that is Kambosos, then maybe it will be a knock out win. Yes, he is a technical fighter, no question about it, but Kambosos might counter it with his pure aggressiveness just like in the Lopez fight.

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

Yes 50% is already a good percentage to pull a decent knockout, but Haney have more chances to pull a knockout victory over Kambosos together with his defensive capabilities to withstand Kambosos heavy punches. However, this fight is unlikely to result a KO and it will last until the 12th round and most probably end by a decision. I hope we can see more of a toe-to-toe fight on this one as both fighters have different skill set.

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If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

In that case we gonna expect the fight to last long or to reach up to the officials decisions and it would be nice if one of them will dominate the others and somehow a way find to beat his opponent by knockout because that would be best thing to conclude the match and to win the fight.

There's a very high chance that this fight will go for 12 rounds rather than seeing a KO, I'm not saying that there's no chance for both boxers to have a KO win but both of them have almost the same record and capabilities. A 5.5% difference in KO history is not that much but as I said, a chance is a chance but it's really slim, IMO. We might see a consecutive exchanging of blows because both of them have a point to prove.

Haney is not known for his power, Kambosos though is his fight against Lopez shows that he has some serious power when he was able to knock down Lopez with that overhand right and everyone was surprised by that power behind. But it will be hard to knock out a defensive fighter in Haney. So yes, this could go in a full 12 round fight.

I somehow agree on that because Haney is much more known for being a defensive fighter than for his strength/power, however his power is more greater than Kambosos's, IMO. Kambosos may have defeated Lopez but it was a unanimous decision because Lopez also manage to knock him down somewhere in round 9 or 10. But yes, this fight may also end into the judges hand.

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Quote from: stadus on April 21, 2022, 11:16:16 AM

If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

In that case we gonna expect the fight to last long or to reach up to the officials decisions and it would be nice if one of them will dominate the others and somehow a way find to beat his opponent by knockout because that would be best thing to conclude the match and to win the fight.

There's a very high chance that this fight will go for 12 rounds rather than seeing a KO, I'm not saying that there's no chance for both boxers to have a KO win but both of them have almost the same record and capabilities. A 5.5% difference in KO history is not that much but as I said, a chance is a chance but it's really slim, IMO. We might see a consecutive exchanging of blows because both of them have a point to prove.

Haney is not known for his power, Kambosos though is his fight against Lopez shows that he has some serious power when he was able to knock down Lopez with that overhand right and everyone was surprised by that power behind. But it will be hard to knock out a defensive fighter in Haney. So yes, this could go in a full 12 round fight.

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Check out the training videos of both fighters side by side and make your conclusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMas9aiJxLs

Yeah for sure this is just sessions with their trainers, but you can clearly see who has more power in those videos and who has more finesse. So it will be a stylistic match-up and whoever dictates early will probably win the fight.

It is unlikely that someone who participates in competitive sports likes to show all the cards. Rather, on the contrary - maybe in this video one of the athletes deliberately behaves awkwardly in order to create the wrong impression about himself? I think that the one who excels in agility will dominate by the end of the fight (if he lives), usually such confrontations go exactly like this: if the advantage in strength is not realized in the early rounds, then it becomes less and less noticeable because the one who focuses on strength gets tired faster.

Yes of course. When it comes to training their special and specific strategies it will be confidential. Even sparring sessions, top fighters will prohibit their spar mates to take videos or at the very least they can only release and disclose it after the fight.

I kind of agree that the faster guy will dominate the fight since both have speed and Haney is also a defensive fighter. But whoever throws more combinations and maintain its energy and stamina will be good indicators too.

I hope they aren't that seriously dumb to expose their preparations and trainings to the public and have their boxer in a tight spot because he is exposed, though I think it's unlikely for that event to happen as trainings is a closed venue and it's guarded as there could some paparazzi and media lurking somewhere just to make a headline.

About Haney and Kambosos, I can't really choose between the two of them for now. I won't deny that Haney has the advantage but Kambosos cannot be underestimated as well.

Nah, both camps seriously know about that because they have already reached this state so meaning all the people surrounding this boxers are knowledgeable enough and professional enough not to give any tips/hint that could be used by their opposing camp. As for media or paparazzi's are concerned, I'm quite sure that their venue isn't that easy to penetrate so if there's some news or leaked videos then I assume it came from the inside.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on April 19, 2022, 11:39:37 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on April 19, 2022, 11:39:37 AM

Check out the training videos of both fighters side by side and make your conclusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMas9aiJxLs

Yeah for sure this is just sessions with their trainers, but you can clearly see who has more power in those videos and who has more finesse. So it will be a stylistic match-up and whoever dictates early will probably win the fight.

It is unlikely that someone who participates in competitive sports likes to show all the cards. Rather, on the contrary - maybe in this video one of the athletes deliberately behaves awkwardly in order to create the wrong impression about himself? I think that the one who excels in agility will dominate by the end of the fight (if he lives), usually such confrontations go exactly like this: if the advantage in strength is not realized in the early rounds, then it becomes less and less noticeable because the one who focuses on strength gets tired faster.

Yes of course. When it comes to training their special and specific strategies it will be confidential. Even sparring sessions, top fighters will prohibit their spar mates to take videos or at the very least they can only release and disclose it after the fight.

I kind of agree that the faster guy will dominate the fight since both have speed and Haney is also a defensive fighter. But whoever throws more combinations and maintain its energy and stamina will be good indicators too.

I hope they aren't that seriously dumb to expose their preparations and trainings to the public and have their boxer in a tight spot because he is exposed, though I think it's unlikely for that event to happen as trainings is a closed venue and it's guarded as there could some paparazzi and media lurking somewhere just to make a headline.

About Haney and Kambosos, I can't really choose between the two of them for now. I won't deny that Haney has the advantage but Kambosos cannot be underestimated as well.

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Quote from: robelneo on April 18, 2022, 06:39:31 AM

Check out the training videos of both fighters side by side and make your conclusion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMas9aiJxLs

Yeah for sure this is just sessions with their trainers, but you can clearly see who has more power in those videos and who has more finesse. So it will be a stylistic match-up and whoever dictates early will probably win the fight.

It is unlikely that someone who participates in competitive sports likes to show all the cards. Rather, on the contrary - maybe in this video one of the athletes deliberately behaves awkwardly in order to create the wrong impression about himself? I think that the one who excels in agility will dominate by the end of the fight (if he lives), usually such confrontations go exactly like this: if the advantage in strength is not realized in the early rounds, then it becomes less and less noticeable because the one who focuses on strength gets tired faster.

Yes of course. When it comes to training their special and specific strategies it will be confidential. Even sparring sessions, top fighters will prohibit their spar mates to take videos or at the very least they can only release and disclose it after the fight.

I kind of agree that the faster guy will dominate the fight since both have speed and Haney is also a defensive fighter. But whoever throws more combinations and maintain its energy and stamina will be good indicators too.

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