[BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 - page 8.

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I just stumbled on this and this is something unexpected but the most important man in Haney's corner his father, and his manager Bill Haney, will not be allowed entry to Australia because of a drug conviction he had served 30 years ago.

They are working to get him entry they are still time left but it could have an impact on Haney's performance which is the biggest fight of his life if they will not allow the older Haney.

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It turned out that the elder Haney was not allowed to board the plane to go to Australia because of a drug conviction for which he served time in the early 1990s. Australian visa laws make it difficult for those with a criminal record who have been behind bars for 12 months to be granted entrance into the country.

Arum on Bill Haney Australian Visa Denial Ahead of Kambosos Fight

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 22, 2022, 08:50:40 AM

Certainly, there are still lots of people who have not forgotten what happened back that day when Pacquaio got robbed in that fight.
On the same note, people will watch this Kambosos-Haney fight as well as the whole boxing organization if there will be some biased judgment but they are also hoping that this time it will be a clean and fair fight.

In every boxing match there should be strict rules for fair judges, because maybe some viewers or television viewers can count every punch during the match, but if the judge has set for victory to a certain boxer then the match will damage the reputation for every boxing sport. Judges must play a more prudent and fair role for all boxers and do not discriminate for away boxers or not.

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But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

It's up to the judges, not sure who they are, of if they are going to be pure Australians, but hopefully it's not, at least the organizations should fly judges that are fair and not biased so that there will be no home cook decision just like in the Horn vs Pacman fight years ago. Otherwise, it will be an black eye for Australian boxing if they keep doing this in big fights and they might get a ban and can't make a good fight in their country again.

Certainly, there are still lots of people who have not forgotten what happened back that day when Pacquaio got robbed in that fight.
On the same note, people will watch this Kambosos-Haney fight as well as the whole boxing organization if there will be some biased judgment but they are also hoping that this time it will be a clean and fair fight.

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Quote from: stadus on May 21, 2022, 12:51:42 PM

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Well, many have put oil on the fire, that is why it was very controversial some analyses say that Jeff Horn really won some rounds but not the fight, because what many thinks is Manny Pacquiao really won the fight, some would surely want to sue those judges, and wants to know those judges names because they think this is robbery in Pacman's side, and they really think that this is Jeff Horn's crib and many people there would really want a Jeff Horn to win and Manny Pacquiao is a very good target from that time, but I guess the judges want to see the punching power of Pacman the once that beat Érik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Miguel Cotto, those fights Pacquiao still has that punching power, but in the previous Pacman they will never see it because he is never the same back then,

Well in Kambosos and Haney's fight if the advantage goes to Haney and Kambosos won, then a fighter would think twice to fight in that place, they will surely have problems in fighting knowing what happened, I think that is what may happen because of the history,

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Quote from: stadus on May 21, 2022, 12:51:42 PM

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But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

It's up to the judges, not sure who they are, of if they are going to be pure Australians, but hopefully it's not, at least the organizations should fly judges that are fair and not biased so that there will be no home cook decision just like in the Horn vs Pacman fight years ago. Otherwise, it will be an black eye for Australian boxing if they keep doing this in big fights and they might get a ban and can't make a good fight in their country again.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 21, 2022, 03:25:18 PM

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But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Maybe you are right, but Kambasos has the power to hurt Haney as he surprised us already during his fight with Lopez. Haney is maybe a more technical fighter but no fighter would survive in the ring if he is hit by a solid punch coming from a heavy hitter fighter. The odds say that Haney is the favorite, but it's different when they are already in the ring, and since Kambasos is fighting in his home country, that makes him more motivated to win.

We have seen a lot of upsets in boxing, so no surprise if this one will turn out to be one.
A home advantage is seen also to be one of the factors that may contribute for Kambosos win.
But we want to see a clear and honest fight of course. We don't want to see boxing fans doubting the judges' decision.
As much as possible a KO will give us assurance that the fight is not rigged or any of that sort.

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Quote from: stadus on May 21, 2022, 12:51:42 PM

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But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

Maybe you are right, but Kambasos has the power to hurt Haney as he surprised us already during his fight with Lopez. Haney is maybe a more technical fighter but no fighter would survive in the ring if he is hit by a solid punch coming from a heavy hitter fighter. The odds say that Haney is the favorite, but it's different when they are already in the ring, and since Kambasos is fighting in his home country, that makes him more motivated to win.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 20, 2022, 04:14:24 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 20, 2022, 04:59:51 AM

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

The only advantage of Kambosos is the venue of the fight which is located on his country, Australia, and which gives him some morale and boost of confidence if ever he needed one and nothing more. Let's just hope that this will be a good clean fight because the said country is also known to cook some fights like the famous Pacquiao-Horn fight. Nevertheless, a lot of people really expected a fair fight as this is a unification fight.

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Quote from: Maslate on May 20, 2022, 04:14:24 PM

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 20, 2022, 04:59:51 AM

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

Well we can only speculate as to why his father is not given a visa assuming that the Victorian government wanted to 'protect' their boxers in George Kambosos. If this is the case then maybe a lot of Australian visitors have been denied their visa as well? I'm not saying that their is some political or other motive behind, but this is a high boxing fight and they should have at least given Devin's Haney father a change and make the fight in even terms. For me Kambosos already score round 1 here.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 20, 2022, 04:59:51 AM

But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

Both fighters are superstars, it's a unification fight so I think the advantage here is the fighter who are at home, and since Haney is more of a technical fighter, it will be hard for him to convince the judges to give him the win if he cannot fully dominate the fight, so the best way is just to knock out Kambasos and surely the result will be fair enough.

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@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?

Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

When I heard about this news, I immediately thought that the reason is some kind of insane vaccination requirements that Australia has already become famous for. But this time, the reasons are different. I wonder why this happened? It seems that such issues are easily settled by the organizers. I hope he gets a visa so that the fight takes place without any underlying reason in the best possible way.

True. I kind of disagree on not giving Devin's dad a visa when he already served his term. But I do not really know Australia's law with regards to this.

Will it affect Devin Haney? Personally, yes. Devin is just 23 years old. While he is gifted with amazing skills, the kid haven't been tested in deep waters yet. This is his biggest fight of his life. And he is not the main man here, he is like the challenger here with his lone WBC belt while Kambosos holds the other 3 plus the The Ring belt. If Kambosos will try to bully him in the coming promotional conferences and the weigh-in then it will mentally affect the visiting young kid. And I believe Kambosos was already waging the mental war since their negotiation period. The moment Devin Haney will hear more than 50,000 Australians cheering for their champion will demoralize this kid. And in difficult times, his dad won't be in his side.

With regards to the judges and referees. They should not be Australians. They will be appointed either or both by the Australian boxing commission, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO or the promoters. But most of the biases goes to the superstars, or the home fighters or promoters fighters.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 18, 2022, 10:10:03 PM

@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?

Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

When I heard about this news, I immediately thought that the reason is some kind of insane vaccination requirements that Australia has already become famous for. But this time, the reasons are different. I wonder why this happened? It seems that such issues are easily settled by the organizers. I hope he gets a visa so that the fight takes place without any underlying reason in the best possible way.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 18, 2022, 10:10:03 PM

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Of course it will have a effect on Devin Haney as his father has guided him to many fights and this is the biggest. Nevertheless he will have Yoel Judah to guide him, so for sure they have set up a game plan and have communicated everything that they need to do in this fight. As for the judges, I don't want to speculate, on it, everything is on Haney's hand if he doesn't want the fight goes to the judges decision.

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Quote from: Kasabus on May 19, 2022, 09:07:52 AM

That was tough for Haney, thanks for sharing the news and I think it's a big loss on the part of Haney. However, he has to be tough and try to beat Kambosos on his home country and make sure that he will win convincingly because speaking of judges, they'll surely favor their own.

With this present news, I still don't change my prediction, I still believe Haney will win.

I do agree, it will be very tough for the younger Haney to go alone and fight in a foreign land. However, this is going to be a good chance for him to proved that he has what it takes to be a champion despite this kind of adversities. So I don't think it will have a negative effect on the odds, it will still be Haney as the favorite to win this match.

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That was tough for Haney, thanks for sharing the news and I think it's a big loss on the part of Haney. However, he has to be tough and try to beat Kambosos on his home country and make sure that he will win convincingly because speaking of judges, they'll surely favor their own.

With this present news, I still don't change my prediction, I still believe Haney will win.

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@Boafeng, @bisdak and other boxing fans and experts in this thread. It appears Devin Haney's father who is also his head trainer has not been given a visa to enter to Australia and he will not be in Devin's corner for the fight. How much will this negatively impact Devin Haney's performance in the ring? Is there now presently an argument to bet on the underdog who is also fighting in front of his own country? On a more skeptical question, will the judges in Australia judge this in favor of Kambosos if the fight is very close?

Devin Haney hits the road for the biggest fight of his young career without his primary team in tow.

Travel plans for the WBC lightweight titlist will not include the company of his father and head trainer, Bill Haney who was not permitted to go through customs for their trip to Australia. The elder Haney was denied entry due to a prior conviction holding up his visa application, forcing Devin Haney to literally fly solo en route to Melbourne ahead of his June 5 undisputed lightweight championship clash with lineal/WBA/IBF/WBO champ George Kambosos Jr.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/bill-haney-not-permitted-travel-australia-yoel-judah-lead-devin-haneys-corner-kambosos-fight--166321

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Devin Haney is not capable of hurting Kambosos.

This is a huge statement, Haney can knock out his opponent, so Kambasos can also be knocked out because he is a human. LOL.
But anyway, I got to respect your opinion and good luck with your bet.

He may actually hurt Kambosos Jr. but I don't think he will knock him out, so there is a very high probability that this fight will end up in the judges' scorecards. Haney is not really a knockout artist. In his last 5 fights, he failed to knock out even one of them. So in terms of taking points, Kambosos Jr. can fairly match Haney. And I also think that it would become a significant factor that Kambosos Jr. is fighting in his backyard. Loud cheers from your countrymen can boost morale.

I think it's Kambasos who should hurt Haney for him to win. Yes, Haney may not be able to knock out Kambasos, but if Haney is winning by points, then this fight will be easily won by him. It's an aggressive fighter(kambasos) vs the technical fighter, usually the technical fighter wins.

I don't agree. If both fighters do nothing, victory will fall on the hands of Kambosos Jr. In a round where neither of them clearly dominated the other, the 10 points will most likely be given to the aggressive fighter rather than the technical one. And because this is happening in Australia, a round where neither is a clear winner could go to Kambosos Jr. again.

Another factor is that although this is a unification bout, Kambosos Jr. has WBA, WBO, IBF, and The Ring while Haney has only the WBC. Haney is considered the challenger here. And I'm sure he will be introduced last.

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I'm surprised with the poll result so far.

we have 27 posters who voted for this fight and Kambasos got 51.9% of the total votes, or 14/27.
Bookies may make Haney a heavy favorite, but we posters here are bettors who see which figher offers a good value.

Oh well, it sports bookies and the boxing fans in this community is not agreeing, it simply means that the fight is going to be very close and really hard to predict.

As been mentioned before, the styles of this two fighters are very contrasting and we don't know which style will be dominant. Or if the other side will adjust in the fight to counter the other. So for me this is a very difficult to predict and who to choose on betting.

Yes, I know that because there are also some users here in this forum are not interested in answering those said polls, that's why we can't really tell that there are more Kambosos's side here than Haney. As of now, the discussion poll has been tied.

The way I'm seeing it, the people and boxing spectators are still not sure on who have the higher hand on this match because both of them have their own unique skill set which is truly different to one another. That's how interesting the fight is Cheesy

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on May 18, 2022, 08:22:27 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on May 18, 2022, 06:47:47 AM

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Devin Haney is not capable of hurting Kambosos.

This is a huge statement, Haney can knock out his opponent, so Kambasos can also be knocked out because he is a human. LOL.
But anyway, I got to respect your opinion and good luck with your bet.

He may actually hurt Kambosos Jr. but I don't think he will knock him out, so there is a very high probability that this fight will end up in the judges' scorecards. Haney is not really a knockout artist. In his last 5 fights, he failed to knock out even one of them. So in terms of taking points, Kambosos Jr. can fairly match Haney. And I also think that it would become a significant factor that Kambosos Jr. is fighting in his backyard. Loud cheers from your countrymen can boost morale.

I think it's Kambasos who should hurt Haney for him to win. Yes, Haney may not be able to knock out Kambasos, but if Haney is winning by points, then this fight will be easily won by him. It's an aggressive fighter(kambasos) vs the technical fighter, usually the technical fighter wins.

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Quote from: Sanitough on May 18, 2022, 06:47:47 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on May 18, 2022, 06:27:07 AM

I just took another bet for Kambosos. Devin Haney is not capable of hurting Kambosos. I believe Kambosos is the hungrier fighter in spite being the lineal champion and is holding 3 belts. Kambosos will be the aggressor in this fight, the huge crowd will boost his morale and Haney will be put in an uncomfortable situation. If ever Kambosos cannot dominate the fight yet he can make it at least competitive then he will still take the judges nod.

Wow, I love your confidence bro.

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Devin Haney is not capable of hurting Kambosos.

This is a huge statement, Haney can knock out his opponent, so Kambasos can also be knocked out because he is a human. LOL.
But anyway, I got to respect your opinion and good luck with your bet.

I understand where @inthelongrun is coming from, I mean Haney is not known to be a heavy hitter and a knock out artist.

And we have seen Kambosos being tested by one of the best champion in Lopez and he didn't even dent George chin and on the contrary, it was the other away around. So it might be a bold and huge statement but it has some truth in it.

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