[Boxing] Inoue vs Casimero Bantamweight Unification Fight - page 21.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 23, 2020, 05:08:05 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on April 22, 2020, 06:34:54 PM

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Bautista became popular (at least in the local boxing scene) because he is knocking out opponents early in his career and people fail to recognized the level of competition Bautista is having on that stage of his career. ALA was grooming him that time and i might say, they were cherry picking opponents for him thus he became a one-punch boy wonder

. Bautista is lacking skill as a boxer, he is flat footed and doesn't move his head often during fights.

For me, Z Gorres was the best boxer ALA stable has ever produced but people almost does not appreciate his skills because they want a knock-out puncher type like Manny Pacquaio.

Yes, or probably the level of competition that time was really that bad that Bautista was just knocking down opponents ALA is throwing on him. I can't recall, I think Bautista has brittle hands or got injured after or before the fight with Ponce De Leon. That's why he wasn't the same fighter anymore. He should at least have a good pay check bad then. Z Gorres is also good, but I don't know, but just like any other 'good' boxers, they seems to lack that 'It' factor to go to the next elite level like Manny Pacquiao.

Love Casimero's attitude, Lol, trash talking his way in promoting his fight.

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 22, 2020, 06:34:54 PM

I think with Bautista's case though, it was too early for him to be put in the ring with the likes of Ponce de Leon that time. He as too green , inexperience. Yes, he was winning fights in the Philippines and knocking people out but Boom boom was rushed I believed in that fight. And after that lost he wasn't able to recover, the mental trauma for the kid was too much and we haven't heard from him after the devastating lost. Too much hype and he didn't live it up. But with MP's experienced I think we may see another Filipino being a champion under MP's promotion in the future and be able to sustained it, not just like one hit wonder Pinoy fighters.

Bautista became popular (at least in the local boxing scene) because he is knocking out opponents early in his career and people fail to recognized the level of competition Bautista is having on that stage of his career. ALA was grooming him that time and i might say, they were cherry picking opponents for him thus he became a one-punch boy wonder

. Bautista is lacking skill as a boxer, he is flat footed and doesn't move his head often during fights.

For me, Z Gorres was the best boxer ALA stable has ever produced but people almost does not appreciate his skills because they want a knock-out puncher type like Manny Pacquaio.

Quote from: harizen on April 22, 2020, 07:48:35 PM

If I'm not mistaken that's not the first time he throw words on Inoue? Not a usual behavior of any PH boxer.

Still, the eagerness of making his "kababayan" proud is on high-level.

Yup, this is not the first time he threw some words on Inoue but seems he is promoting the fight just like what Mayweather, Thurman did, by trash talking

, but i know he can back it up with his punch come fight night.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 22, 2020, 05:30:07 PM

Meanwhile, Casimero continued his taunting game on Inoue. Confidence is on an ATH, hope it would backfire lol.

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-i-hope-inoues-jaw-lasts-longer-tetes-jaw--148421

I like the confidence. A boxer characteristic that's hungry for the win. But proved it on the judgment day instead, not by throwing words.

If I'm not mistaken that's not the first time he throw words on Inoue? Not a usual behavior of any PH boxer.

Still, the eagerness of making his "kababayan" proud is on high-level.

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 21, 2020, 06:55:29 PM

To be fair with ALA promotions, they are good promoters as well, but I think the extend is just only in Asia. They have developed a lot of champions in the past, but I think MP takes it to the next level because of Manny. Many advantages of having MP as your promoters, connections to other world renown boxing promoters, US main card, good pay check, so it makes sense of fighters like Casimero to switch.

ALA promotion seems like promoting their boxer by choosing a fighter that they think has a big chance of winning.
I've seem some fighters of the ALA promotion in the fight that they hype until they have an international fight like a fight in the US, but most of them failed. one example is Rey Bautista, which has been winning in the PH, but when he fought in the US, he failed, and this boxer has already retired now.

here's the video I search in YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqp9RTKKoUg

I think with Bautista's case though, it was too early for him to be put in the ring with the likes of Ponce de Leon that time. He as too green , inexperience. Yes, he was winning fights in the Philippines and knocking people out but Boom boom was rushed I believed in that fight. And after that lost he wasn't able to recover, the mental trauma for the kid was too much and we haven't heard from him after the devastating lost. Too much hype and he didn't live it up. But with MP's experienced I think we may see another Filipino being a champion under MP's promotion in the future and be able to sustained it, not just like one hit wonder Pinoy fighters.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on April 20, 2020, 09:36:02 PM

Quote from: Finestream on April 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM

I think some boxers under ALA promotion have joined MP promotions as well.

It's not quite shocking tho. Hello, imagine you were promoted by a boxing legend like Pacman. That was an honor of course! And like what you've mentioned, maybe the main reasons why they switch to MP promotions is because of greater payments as well as broader opportunities. Not mentioning the fact that he is also a boxer thus he knew how to take care and understand the feelings of his fellow. It was also an advantage for them since Manny could give them tips and advice in and out of the ring Cheesy

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ALA Promotion is on a downstream right now. Many of it's boxers have switched to other promoters like the MP Promotion. Cost of staging a fight is a big factor why local boxing is on a lull. Back in the glory days of boxing here in Cebu, the older Aldueger (Antonio) have a different approach. He only trained boxers in his ALA stable while SSG promotions and Wakee Salud were doing the promotions of his boxers. With that, the cost of maintaining boxers is not so high. When his son take over. Michael Algueger have converted ALA boxing stable into ALA Promotions. That's the reason why we saw the Pinoy Pride series, they are in a partnership with ABS-CBN for tv coverage. I think it's the cost why they let go on their boxers and stop promoting boxing.

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Casimero: I Hope Inoue's Jaw Lasts Longer Than Tete's Jaw Did

Meanwhile, Casimero continued his taunting game on Inoue. Confidence is on an ATH, hope it would not backfire lol.

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-i-hope-inoues-jaw-lasts-longer-tetes-jaw--148421

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Quote from: Baofeng on April 21, 2020, 06:55:29 PM

To be fair with ALA promotions, they are good promoters as well, but I think the extend is just only in Asia. They have developed a lot of champions in the past, but I think MP takes it to the next level because of Manny. Many advantages of having MP as your promoters, connections to other world renown boxing promoters, US main card, good pay check, so it makes sense of fighters like Casimero to switch.

ALA promotion seems like promoting their boxer by choosing a fighter that they think has a big chance of winning.
I've seem some fighters of the ALA promotion in the fight that they hype until they have an international fight like a fight in the US, but most of them failed. one example is Rey Bautista, which has been winning in the PH, but when he fought in the US, he failed, and this boxer has already retired now.

here's the video I search in YT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqp9RTKKoUg

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 18, 2020, 06:15:07 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on April 17, 2020, 06:57:55 PM

I don't see any discussion that the fight will push right now that we are dealing with the virus so that issue should be stopped now. There's no such thing as that.

Organizers are well knowledge and they know that pushing the fight will not be considered in a time like this. This don't need a discussion actually.

The fight is not pushing thru. They already postponed it. So I don't know what kind of discussion we will have here.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03/naoya-inoue-vs-john-riel-casimero-postponed-for-april-25-due-to-coronavirus/

I guess better lock this thread for the time being and just open it again once there is already a new schedule for the fight.

The discussion I'm pointing is about the postponement of the fight. Not the whole discussion regarding and involving the fight.

There shouldn't be any discussion of this since it was already take placed and we are just waiting for the updates.

The thread should continue since there are frequent updates (just like on other sports events that got postponed too) that are related to both boxers in the topic. We just need to stay on topic and not just I love Inoue, I love Casimiro, I'm excited about the fight, etc.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on April 20, 2020, 09:36:02 PM

Quote from: Finestream on April 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM

I think some boxers under ALA promotion have joined MP promotions as well.

It's not quite shocking tho. Hello, imagine you were promoted by a boxing legend like Pacman. That was an honor of course! And like what you've mentioned, maybe the main reasons why they switch to MP promotions is because of greater payments as well as broader opportunities. Not mentioning the fact that he is also a boxer thus he knew how to take care and understand the feelings of his fellow. It was also an advantage for them since Manny could give them tips and advice in and out of the ring Cheesy

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To be fair with ALA promotions, they are good promoters as well, but I think the extend is just only in Asia. They have developed a lot of champions in the past, but I think MP takes it to the next level because of Manny. Many advantages of having MP as your promoters, connections to other world renown boxing promoters, US main card, good pay check, so it makes sense of fighters like Casimero to switch.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on April 20, 2020, 09:36:02 PM

Quote from: Finestream on April 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM

I think some boxers under ALA promotion have joined MP promotions as well.

It's not quite shocking tho. Hello, imagine you were promoted by a boxing legend like Pacman. That was an honor of course! And like what you've mentioned, maybe the main reasons why they switch to MP promotions is because of greater payments as well as broader opportunities. Not mentioning the fact that he is also a boxer thus he knew how to take care and understand the feelings of his fellow. It was also an advantage for them since Manny could give them tips and advice in and out of the ring Cheesy

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Manny promotion is a world class promotion and boxers would certainly like to join if they are given a chance.
This is the chance of Casimero, he did not fail Manny on his last fight, and now he is aiming for a bigger one, he should win this as he is not getting any younger.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 20, 2020, 07:58:47 PM

I think some boxers under ALA promotion have joined MP promotions as well.

It's not quite shocking tho. Hello, imagine you were promoted by a boxing legend like Pacman. That was an honor of course! And like what you've mentioned, maybe the main reasons why they switch to MP promotions is because of greater payments as well as broader opportunities. Not mentioning the fact that he is also a boxer thus he knew how to take care and understand the feelings of his fellow. It was also an advantage for them since Manny could give them tips and advice in and out of the ring Cheesy

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 20, 2020, 07:21:52 PM

I'm not sure who are still under MP's promotion, but it seems that they don't have a good stable of fighters that can fight in world stage like Casimero and I think MP promotions is giving their all to support their fighter here.

Manny Pacquiao is an icon in boxing, his promotion will be popular and these fighters under the MP promotion are given a lot of opportunity to fight in the US and that's a great opportunity for them as US is a big market where boxers usually get bigger pays.

I think some boxers under ALA promotion have joined MP promotions as well.

references.
https://www.ringtv.com/tag/mp-promotions/
https://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/boxing-mma/pacquiao/237695-filipino-boxers-get-big-break-mp-promotions

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 20, 2020, 05:42:44 PM

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Quote from: Latviand on April 18, 2020, 06:23:01 AM

Inoue is really a great fighter and he keeps on improving and improving a lot, and his manager should be proud about the potential of his boxer. Inoue defeated a lot of great players like Donaire, Naoya Inoue is really a monster when he stepped on the ring, he shows no mercy against his opponent that's why I watched him every time he fight.

We could agree that Inoue is really good, but beating Donaire is not something good as this guy is already aging, and the fact that he struggles against Donaire, he will surely struggle more against a younger boxer like Casimero.

Bet on that one,Yeah Inuoe is one of the promising boxer of Japan but this doesnt mean he will Win this fight that easy.
Nonito Donaire is Great fighter but this is not His time now,Hes speed and power punches are now decreasing and Inuoe is Very young compared to Him.

So this Fight against Casimero is one of His Career toughest Fight and he will never forget this for sure.

Yeah for sure, Casimero is always so confident and I like that on a fighter, and since he is under the MP promotion, we can expect he will give his best as he knows he can get bigger fights after this, and beating one of the top ranking fighters is such a big achievement. It's one of the biggest fight of Casimero and It's Inoue's one of the biggest challenge.

I'm not sure who are still under MP's promotion, but it seems that they don't have a good stable of fighters that can fight in world stage like Casimero and I think MP promotions is giving their all to support their fighter here. And obviously, they have given him a chance to fight for the belt against the best and for sure that Casimero doesn't want to let Manny Pacquaio down and the rest of the Philippines. So as much as we are excited to see the two fight in the ring, we must be patience and wait for it to happen.

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Quote from: btc78 on April 18, 2020, 07:24:35 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on April 18, 2020, 07:15:02 AM

Quote from: Latviand on April 18, 2020, 06:23:01 AM

Inoue is really a great fighter and he keeps on improving and improving a lot, and his manager should be proud about the potential of his boxer. Inoue defeated a lot of great players like Donaire, Naoya Inoue is really a monster when he stepped on the ring, he shows no mercy against his opponent that's why I watched him every time he fight.

We could agree that Inoue is really good, but beating Donaire is not something good as this guy is already aging, and the fact that he struggles against Donaire, he will surely struggle more against a younger boxer like Casimero.

Bet on that one,Yeah Inuoe is one of the promising boxer of Japan but this doesnt mean he will Win this fight that easy.
Nonito Donaire is Great fighter but this is not His time now,Hes speed and power punches are now decreasing and Inuoe is Very young compared to Him.

So this Fight against Casimero is one of His Career toughest Fight and he will never forget this for sure.

Yeah for sure, Casimero is always so confident and I like that on a fighter, and since he is under the MP promotion, we can expect he will give his best as he knows he can get bigger fights after this, and beating one of the top ranking fighters is such a big achievement. It's one of the biggest fight of Casimero and It's Inoue's one of the biggest challenge.

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Quote from: TravelMug on April 19, 2020, 07:51:06 PM

Quote from: Finestream on April 19, 2020, 06:19:04 PM

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Joshua Greer, Joseph Agbeko, and Ryo Akaho.

Do you know these guys?

I'm only familiar with Joseph Agbeko - former bantamweight champion as far as I can remember but I assume that he is already past his prime. Greer and Akaho? I never heard of him. So I wouldn't call them top class boxers.

Obviously, this is just a make busy fight for Casimero but I do hope that it won't derail his fight with Inoue though.

I could not forgot that name, Joseph Agbeko. He fought the cocky Vic Darchinyan back then for the bantamweight championship where Agbeko won that by majority decision. Yeah, he is way past his prime in boxing but a fight with Casimero won't be bad as this will only serve as a tune up fight for the later.

With the technology and knowing Japan on how discipline their people are, i do think that they could handle this situation very well and things would be back to normal in their country sooner than any country so i don't think that Inoue would be stuck there for long.

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Quote from: Finestream on April 19, 2020, 06:19:04 PM

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Joshua Greer, Joseph Agbeko, and Ryo Akaho.

Do you know these guys?

I'm only familiar with Joseph Agbeko - former bantamweight champion as far as I can remember but I assume that he is already past his prime. Greer and Akaho? I never heard of him. So I wouldn't call them top class boxers.

Obviously, this is just a make busy fight for Casimero but I do hope that it won't derail his fight with Inoue though.

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It seems like Casimero can't wait to fight, according to the article below, while waiting til Inoue can travel, he will be fighting some top class boxers.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2020/4/16/21224131/john-riel-casimero-could-take-stay-busy-fight-inoue-travel-japan-top-rank-boxing-news

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With Japan expanding its state of emergency nationwide, there’s a very real chance that unified bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue may be stuck in his home country for a while. Bob Arum tells ESPN that, should that scenario come to pass, WBO champ John Riel Casimero will take another fight in the interim rather than wait for their unification match.

These are the top possible opponents.

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Joshua Greer, Joseph Agbeko, and Ryo Akaho.

Do you know these guys?

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 18, 2020, 06:15:07 PM

The fight is not pushing thru. They already postponed it. So I don't know what kind of discussion we will have here.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03/naoya-inoue-vs-john-riel-casimero-postponed-for-april-25-due-to-coronavirus/

I guess better lock this thread for the time being and just open it again once there is already a new schedule for the fight.

As what Finestream and Travelmug have said that there are also a lot of discussions in the NBA or other sports though they are also postponed but they did not lock the thread. I would also do the same, won't lock this thread for now as this is the only outlet for some to see updates of both fighters.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 18, 2020, 06:15:07 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on April 17, 2020, 06:57:55 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 17, 2020, 06:43:54 PM

I dont see any reason for the fight to proceed as long we are still on a pandemic problem.Those are just words but doesnt mean that it should really be done since we know that most countries now are on the same situation (have infected people) so thinking up on where would be the venue for now is somewhat irrelevant but i do agree that Toprank wont really consider for the fight to be held on Japan.
Lets wait on what would be the future announcements in regards to this fight.

I don't see any discussion that the fight will push right now that we are dealing with the virus so that issue should be stopped now. There's no such thing as that.

If you will read the article shared by bisdak, it's definitely right after the pandemic virus, of course. It's a no-brainer to think that this fight will push in a time like this.

Organizers are well knowledge and they know that pushing the fight will not be considered in a time like this. This don't need a discussion actually.

The fight is not pushing thru. They already postponed it. So I don't know what kind of discussion we will have here.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03/naoya-inoue-vs-john-riel-casimero-postponed-for-april-25-due-to-coronavirus/

I guess better lock this thread for the time being and just open it again once there is already a new schedule for the fight.

The discussion still revolves around the two fighters, yes it was obviously postponed because of the pandemic. But boxing fans are discussing what should be the possible outcome and it looks like John Riel has a lot of fan based here.

What if there are new developments, news coming from both camp? I'm sure that someone will wanted to share that here to start a new discussion. And if we go by your reasoning, every sporting events here, (NBA, Tennis, to a certain extent UFC, Football etc) should be lock as well?

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 18, 2020, 06:57:17 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 18, 2020, 06:15:07 PM

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 17, 2020, 06:43:54 PM

I dont see any reason for the fight to proceed as long we are still on a pandemic problem.Those are just words but doesnt mean that it should really be done since we know that most countries now are on the same situation (have infected people) so thinking up on where would be the venue for now is somewhat irrelevant but i do agree that Toprank wont really consider for the fight to be held on Japan.
Lets wait on what would be the future announcements in regards to this fight.

I don't see any discussion that the fight will push right now that we are dealing with the virus so that issue should be stopped now. There's no such thing as that.

If you will read the article shared by bisdak, it's definitely right after the pandemic virus, of course. It's a no-brainer to think that this fight will push in a time like this.

Organizers are well knowledge and they know that pushing the fight will not be considered in a time like this. This don't need a discussion actually.

The fight is not pushing thru. They already postponed it. So I don't know what kind of discussion we will have here.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03/naoya-inoue-vs-john-riel-casimero-postponed-for-april-25-due-to-coronavirus/

I guess better lock this thread for the time being and just open it again once there is already a new schedule for the fight.

Locking of thread will depend on op and its better if you do sent him a pm in regards to that but i dont see a reason since this would be still relevant to talk on.Just take for example on that Fury and Wilder 3 fight thread which still continue and been discussed which i dont see anything wrong with it.Its really anticipated that this will really be delayed or postponed due to common reason (pandemic) which had been affecting
lots of sports events and not to only this industry.For sure boxing organization wont still have an idea on what would be the dates to impose for the said resume until this global problem wont be resolved.

NBA has been postpone too and it's also possible it will be cancelled but the thread is still active.
The reason is because we are getting information that we like to share here, so everyone will be inform, not only the posters but the readers as well.
Also, we have to understand that we have a lot of readers in this thread than posters I believe, so this is helpful to them.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on April 18, 2020, 06:15:07 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on April 17, 2020, 06:57:55 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on April 17, 2020, 06:43:54 PM

I dont see any reason for the fight to proceed as long we are still on a pandemic problem.Those are just words but doesnt mean that it should really be done since we know that most countries now are on the same situation (have infected people) so thinking up on where would be the venue for now is somewhat irrelevant but i do agree that Toprank wont really consider for the fight to be held on Japan.
Lets wait on what would be the future announcements in regards to this fight.

I don't see any discussion that the fight will push right now that we are dealing with the virus so that issue should be stopped now. There's no such thing as that.

If you will read the article shared by bisdak, it's definitely right after the pandemic virus, of course. It's a no-brainer to think that this fight will push in a time like this.

Organizers are well knowledge and they know that pushing the fight will not be considered in a time like this. This don't need a discussion actually.

The fight is not pushing thru. They already postponed it. So I don't know what kind of discussion we will have here.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/03/naoya-inoue-vs-john-riel-casimero-postponed-for-april-25-due-to-coronavirus/

I guess better lock this thread for the time being and just open it again once there is already a new schedule for the fight.

Locking of thread will depend on op and its better if you do sent him a pm in regards to that but i dont see a reason since this would be still relevant to talk on.Just take for example on that Fury and Wilder 3 fight thread which still continue and been discussed which i dont see anything wrong with it.Its really anticipated that this will really be delayed or postponed due to common reason (pandemic) which had been affecting
lots of sports events and not to only this industry.For sure boxing organization wont still have an idea on what would be the dates to impose for the said resume until this global problem wont be resolved.

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