[Boxing]: Lomachenko vs Commey - December 11 - page 5.

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Quote from: Vaculin on December 03, 2021, 01:32:22 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 02, 2021, 09:01:16 PM

Well probably Lopez will also need to rest to recover mentally from that humiliating lost as well. It's not just physical, most of the time, as in the case of Lopez, he is confident that he will defeat Kambosos and then a huge lost. So let's see how Loma will dispose RC here, if he goes for a KO then maybe he will call out the new champion and travel to Australia for a big fight there with George Kambosos and get his title back.

Every fighter are deserve to take rest like Lopez and distance for a while to recover from their losses especially if it really affect their health (mental health), he needs to recover or move on from his last fight with Kambosos knowing that this fight was his first defeat record that broke his undefeated title. Talking about the upcoming fight of Loma and Commey I am very certain that Loma was a crowd favorite here and yeah if Loma will dispose RC then Loma will possibly the one who were going to fight with Kambosos.

Well, let's see if he will recover, Loma had a good fight after his defeat against Lopez, and now it's Lopez's turn to redeem himself and he is fighting on a heavier division so that's really interesting. Lopez will become a good challenger for the champions in that division which I believe is better than him.

If Lopez chooses to go to 140 lbs, I think it's a good division for him as there's not much name in that weight class, so let's see his next move.

Going back to this fight, I agree that Loma will be the crowd favorite because of his pleasing style, it's not that boring and a thing of beauty seeing him move inside the ring as he is very technical fighter and sometimes he gets a knock out too which makes him a very exciting to watch.

I also like the idea of him chasing Kambosos and get the belt that he once held after he win against Commey this month.

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Quote from: molsewid on December 03, 2021, 01:28:37 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 02, 2021, 09:01:16 PM

Well probably Lopez will also need to rest to recover mentally from that humiliating lost as well. It's not just physical, most of the time, as in the case of Lopez, he is confident that he will defeat Kambosos and then a huge lost. So let's see how Loma will dispose RC here, if he goes for a KO then maybe he will call out the new champion and travel to Australia for a big fight there with George Kambosos and get his title back.

Every fighter are deserve to take rest like Lopez and distance for a while to recover from their losses especially if it really affect their health (mental health), he needs to recover or move on from his last fight with Kambosos knowing that this fight was his first defeat record that broke his undefeated title. Talking about the upcoming fight of Loma and Commey I am very certain that Loma was a crowd favorite here and yeah if Loma will dispose RC then Loma will possibly the one who were going to fight with Kambosos.

Well, let's see if he will recover, Loma had a good fight after his defeat against Lopez, and now it's Lopez's turn to redeem himself and he is fighting on a heavier division so that's really interesting. Lopez will become a good challenger for the champions in that division which I believe is better than him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 02, 2021, 09:01:16 PM

Well probably Lopez will also need to rest to recover mentally from that humiliating lost as well. It's not just physical, most of the time, as in the case of Lopez, he is confident that he will defeat Kambosos and then a huge lost. So let's see how Loma will dispose RC here, if he goes for a KO then maybe he will call out the new champion and travel to Australia for a big fight there with George Kambosos and get his title back.

Every fighter are deserve to take rest like Lopez and distance for a while to recover from their losses especially if it really affect their health (mental health), he needs to recover or move on from his last fight with Kambosos knowing that this fight was his first defeat record that broke his undefeated title. Talking about the upcoming fight of Loma and Commey I am very certain that Loma was a crowd favorite here and yeah if Loma will dispose RC then Loma will possibly the one who were going to fight with Kambosos.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on December 01, 2021, 01:57:42 AM

Did Loma had a statement recently that he would still want a rematch against Lopez?

I think that doesn't make sense anymore, if Lopez does not agree with a rematch against Kambasos, then why would he give a rematch on Loma., honestly I don't see the logic, so I don't expect a rematch anymore after his loss against Kambasos.

There's a report that Lopez can only get back in June of next year because of the medical reason I don't believe that he can go back this February like what his father is saying it needs time to heal the wounds, and it's a remote possibility now that Loma will face Lopez, but he can challenge Kambosos after he disposes of Commey, I believe Loma can rule the Lightweight division the Lopez fight is a temporary step back.

Well probably Lopez will also need to rest to recover mentally from that humiliating lost as well. It's not just physical, most of the time, as in the case of Lopez, he is confident that he will defeat Kambosos and then a huge lost. So let's see how Loma will dispose RC here, if he goes for a KO then maybe he will call out the new champion and travel to Australia for a big fight there with George Kambosos and get his title back.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 01, 2021, 04:12:01 PM

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And about your second point, it is true that Lopez is moving up a division, but it is possible Lomachenko does the same if he is not given a chance to fight for a title right away and he is avoided by both champions in that case age could become factor for Lomachenko and he could decide to move up a division as well, in which case a rematch between the two will be almost unavoidable.

I would not want to wait that long (in this case, we will see this fight no earlier than in 3-4 years), but in fact it would be epic - to catch up with an opponent who avoids revenge in another weight category and make him accept the fight there Grin

This can be a plot for some movie (the main thing is that Loma fulfills his task and wins this battle).

That's right after his loss against Lopez, he does not talk a lot and instead goes back to work and he won his last fight. While for Lopez, this guy's ego is questionable so I don't expect him to be a champion again if he will not change

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 01, 2021, 04:12:01 PM

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And about your second point, it is true that Lopez is moving up a division, but it is possible Lomachenko does the same if he is not given a chance to fight for a title right away and he is avoided by both champions in that case age could become factor for Lomachenko and he could decide to move up a division as well, in which case a rematch between the two will be almost unavoidable.

I would not want to wait that long (in this case, we will see this fight no earlier than in 3-4 years), but in fact it would be epic - to catch up with an opponent who avoids revenge in another weight category and make him accept the fight there Grin

This can be a plot for some movie (the main thing is that Loma fulfills his task and wins this battle).

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Quote from: wxa7115 on December 01, 2021, 04:12:01 PM

Quote from: Maslate on December 01, 2021, 12:37:04 AM

Quote from: Finestream on December 01, 2021, 12:28:06 AM

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.

It depends, now that both Lomachenko and Lopez are not champions arranging a fight between the two of them should be easier as now they do not have to fight any mandatory fight, Lopez could be more motivated to fight Lomachenko to prove he is still good and to recover some of the money he lost by not accepting a rematch for the titles Lomachenko lost against him.

He did not lose any money because he made a lot during his fight with Kambasos although he lose in the fight.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/32301936/george-kambosos-legal-team-asks-ibf-find-triller-default-obligation-title-fight-teofimo-lopez

Quote from: wxa7115 on December 01, 2021, 04:12:01 PM

And about your second point, it is true that Lopez is moving up a division, but it is possible Lomachenko does the same if he is not given a chance to fight for a title right away and he is avoided by both champions in that case age could become factor for Lomachenko and he could decide to move up a division as well, in which case a rematch between the two will be almost unavoidable.

That's the scenario I like to see, Loma is going after Lopez to beat him, and I clearly believe he can avenged his lose.

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Quote from: Maslate on December 01, 2021, 12:37:04 AM

Quote from: Finestream on December 01, 2021, 12:28:06 AM

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.

It depends, now that both Lomachenko and Lopez are not champions arranging a fight between the two of them should be easier as now they do not have to fight any mandatory fight, Lopez could be more motivated to fight Lomachenko to prove he is still good and to recover some of the money he lost by not accepting a rematch for the titles Lomachenko lost against him.

And about your second point, it is true that Lopez is moving up a division, but it is possible Lomachenko does the same if he is not given a chance to fight for a title right away and he is avoided by both champions in that case age could become factor for Lomachenko and he could decide to move up a division as well, in which case a rematch between the two will be almost unavoidable.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on December 01, 2021, 01:57:42 AM

Did Loma had a statement recently that he would still want a rematch against Lopez?

I think that doesn't make sense anymore, if Lopez does not agree with a rematch against Kambasos, then why would he give a rematch on Loma., honestly I don't see the logic, so I don't expect a rematch anymore after his loss against Kambasos.

There's a report that Lopez can only get back in June of next year because of the medical reason I don't believe that he can go back this February like what his father is saying it needs time to heal the wounds, and it's a remote possibility now that Loma will face Lopez, but he can challenge Kambosos after he disposes of Commey, I believe Loma can rule the Lightweight division the Lopez fight is a temporary step back.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 01, 2021, 02:10:58 AM

^^ If there is huge money to make then maybe in the future we will see the rematch. I think boxing fans are eager to see it happening anytime soon despite the lost of Lopez.

That depends on the promoter if they will promote that fight, but of course, the final approval will be coming from Lopez as he was the one who don't like to have a rematch with Loma while Loma is just waiting for him to say yes. Maybe Loma is not anymore after of Lopez now, maybe he will take rather take Kambasos.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 01, 2021, 02:10:58 AM

Again, this boxers are looking for money fights besides the belt that they are going to win. Although the two doesn't have one at this point, maybe in the future it either one of them regain a belt, still good to see a rematch between the two, in my opinion.

It's the main intention, should be the money but there's plenty of fighters to fight with, and for Loma and Kambasos, they now are in the upper hand as they are winning while Lopez has to recover from his big loss.

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^^ If there is huge money to make then maybe in the future we will see the rematch. I think boxing fans are eager to see it happening anytime soon despite the lost of Lopez.

Again, this boxers are looking for money fights besides the belt that they are going to win. Although the two doesn't have one at this point, maybe in the future it either one of them regain a belt, still good to see a rematch between the two, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Finestream on December 01, 2021, 12:28:06 AM

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.

There is still that element of revenge of the mind of Loma against Lopez and he is still fuel by this one that's why he came back fight Nakatani knock him out and then going after Commey, a ex-champion. In the amateurs, Loma only lost once if I'm not mistaken, and he avenge his only lost and beat the guy the second time. So most likely this is his mindset to chase Lopez last time to get his revenge win.

Did Loma had a statement recently that he would still want a rematch against Lopez?

I think that doesn't make sense anymore, if Lopez does not agree with a rematch against Kambasos, then why would he give a rematch on Loma., honestly I don't see the logic, so I don't expect a rematch anymore after his loss against Kambasos.

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Quote from: Maslate on December 01, 2021, 12:37:04 AM

Quote from: Finestream on December 01, 2021, 12:28:06 AM

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.

There is still that element of revenge of the mind of Loma against Lopez and he is still fuel by this one that's why he came back fight Nakatani knock him out and then going after Commey, a ex-champion. In the amateurs, Loma only lost once if I'm not mistaken, and he avenge his only lost and beat the guy the second time. So most likely this is his mindset to chase Lopez last time to get his revenge win.

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Quote from: Finestream on December 01, 2021, 12:28:06 AM

Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

Loma will likely win this fight, but I guess it's not necessary for Loma to take his revenge against Lopez due to the following reasons.

1. Lopez is not the champion now, he lose against Kambasos Jr. which we call a major upset.
2. Lopez is planning to move up, so bye-bye Loma.

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Quote from: Questat on November 17, 2021, 04:41:15 PM

Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Same here mate, I prefer the crowd favorite and I based it usually on my research about the probability on which fighter has more chances to win. I always do it in a safe way to prevent losses in the future, I mean yes, high odds is definitely tempting to bet but in the end of the day it will lead you to some losses. So might as well go in the safe way.
Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

I wouldn't be so sure about Lomachenko, yes as you said Loma is indeed a crowd favorite on this one. Look at their record also, Commey's knockout rate is 27 KOs in 30 victories and is much higher than Loma's rate 11 KOs in 15 victories, and about their height and reach advantage there's some gaps into it.
Commey is also looking forward to get his revenge against Lopez, as he is also defeated in their last match. This will be a tough fight, a battle of two fighters about getting their revenge against Lopez Grin

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 18, 2021, 04:30:26 AM

Quote from: Questat on November 17, 2021, 04:41:15 PM

Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Same here mate, I prefer the crowd favorite and I based it usually on my research about the probability on which fighter has more chances to win. I always do it in a safe way to prevent losses in the future, I mean yes, high odds is definitely tempting to bet but in the end of the day it will lead you to some losses. So might as well go in the safe way.
Chances on this match is Loma will win and Commey will just be a stepping stone to get Loma's revenge against Lopez. We will see it soon!

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Quote from: Silberman on November 30, 2021, 05:30:10 PM

This Saturday we will get to see Haney vs Diaz for the WBC lightweight championship, with the defeat of Lopez at the hands of Kambosos a unification fight could be on the cards between the winner of Haney vs Diaz and Kambosos during 2022, however I wonder if any of the two would give Lomachenko a chance to get a world title before in the case Lomachenko wins this fight, which is the most likely outcome, or maybe they will go directly to the unification fight, in any case it seems the lightweight division is going to be very entertaining during the next year, just as it has been this year with one of the biggest upsets on recent memory on the sport.

It boils down as to where the money is, and I think with the Lopez lost, and with Loma assuming that he will win this fight against Commey, will still be the after sought fighter in this division even though he doesn't have the belt because of his name. And sooner or later either one of the champions will have to give Loma his chance to get back all his belt and be the champion once again in this division.

If Kambosos is wise, then wait for Loma next year and fight in Australia, that will be huge and a lot of money are going to flow for him in that fight.

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This Saturday we will get to see Haney vs Diaz for the WBC lightweight championship, with the defeat of Lopez at the hands of Kambosos a unification fight could be on the cards between the winner of Haney vs Diaz and Kambosos during 2022, however I wonder if any of the two would give Lomachenko a chance to get a world title in the case Lomachenko wins this fight, which is the most likely outcome, or maybe they will go directly to the unification fight, in any case it seems the lightweight division is going to be very entertaining during the next year, just as it has been this year with one of the biggest upsets on recent memory on the sport.

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Quote from: Silberman on November 27, 2021, 05:51:02 PM

Quote from: Rufsilf on November 25, 2021, 03:56:35 AM

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Some argue that Lomachenko was injured during that fight and as such they believe that if he was healthy he would have beaten Lopez that day, however we need to give credit to Lopez he gave a good fight, which is why he won that day, what I do not understand is why there was no rematch clause, if that had been in place we would not have this issue of Lopez not wanting to give Lomachenko another chance to fight him, did Lomachenko thought he was going to win and he did not needed one? Because if that is the case then now he is paying the price for that arrogance.

It could be the reason why fighters doesn't want to give rematch clause, because they think that they are going to win against their tough opponent, like in this case Loma vs Lopez. So Loma might not have sign the rematch clause back then, if he would have known that he will get a shoulder injury then maybe there will be one.

Or Lopez himself was so confident in this fight that he also doesn't want any rematch clause after he beat Loma. But either way, we as boxing fans wanted to see a second fight, just to scratch our curiosity of what if Loma is healthy that time.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on November 25, 2021, 03:56:35 AM

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Some argue that Lomachenko was injured during that fight and as such they believe that if he was healthy he would have beaten Lopez that day, however we need to give credit to Lopez he gave a good fight, which is why he won that day, what I do not understand is why there was no rematch clause, if that had been in place we would not have this issue of Lopez not wanting to give Lomachenko another chance to fight him, did Lomachenko thought he was going to win and he did not needed one? Because if that is the case then now he is paying the price for that arrogance.

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