[Boxing]: Lomachenko vs Commey - December 11 - page 6.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 24, 2021, 01:13:07 PM

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. Roll Eyes

For a moment I thought I was on the wrong thread as there is a lot of posts going about Canelo despite this thread being about another fight, however I think Canelo more than anything is chasing the money rather than avoiding GGG at this point, at least in the US the heavier divisions are the most popular, this is why when there are no good fighters on the heavyweight division the popularity of boxing goes down dramatically at the US, so Canelo is seeing an opportunity to make more money while at the same time he thinks he can dominate the division without Usyk there.

If that's the case, Alvarez wants both a title and more money. Let's put it this way, he thinks that he already beat everyone from his division, moving up will create new noise for his name, I just assume that there are more money if he will give Loma another chance but if there's more money after moving up it's more practical to choose.

We can't measure his capabilities after moving to this new division, but his chance still there, he might snatch the belt we never know
what will happen Cool

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This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

I agree that it does not look good however it does not mean that it cannot be done, we have seen something similar many times before, so unless Lomachenko can establish himself as the number one ranked challenger then it could pass a lot of time before he can get another shot with Lopez above the ring.

And as you stated if this is personal, and I have every reason to think this is the case, then Lopez could move up a division out of spite, that way Lomachenko will have no way to avenge the defeat he suffered at the hands of Lopez.

The fact that the fans are wanting to see a rematch, means they see it as a good fight and they still believe that Loma could come back and beat Lopez. If Lopez really is into real challenges and to make decent money, then why not take the rematch and proved to the fans once again that he is the better fighter.

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This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

I agree that it does not look good however it does not mean that it cannot be done, we have seen something similar many times before, so unless Lomachenko can establish himself as the number one ranked challenger then it could pass a lot of time before he can get another shot with Lopez above the ring.

And as you stated if this is personal, and I have every reason to think this is the case, then Lopez could move up a division out of spite, that way Lomachenko will have no way to avenge the defeat he suffered at the hands of Lopez.

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Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I wasn't overly impressed with Cancelo last going out against Plant, I thought up until the TKO he looked rather lackluster. He was winning the majoirty of the rounds, but certainly wasn't at his best. So, I would say it would be a legitimate concern he would lose the third fight.

He bet Plant and that's the most important, if Plant were also thinking of winning, he could be more aggressive, but no, instead he was just fighting to survive. What I want to see is the fight that Canelo had some trouble, and that is the fight against GGG, a trilogy fight.

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We will see Lopez fight Kambosos in the next couple of days, but that fight took many months in the making, changing of promotional company etc.. etc..

That is his only fight this year if it will happen.

Loma will have his 2nd fight this year against Commey and if he wins this 2021 is a great year for Loma as he bounces back strong. While on the other hand, Lopez will be tested in his fight with Kambasos as his opponent is also undefeated and I feel he can match Lopez fairly in the ring, I expect an upset here actually. IMO, the most active boxer this year is Canelo Alvarez as he had fought 3 times this year.

Right, and I think he also wanted to send a message to Lopez here that he is really back after he defeated him and he has move forward facing two tough opponent in the division.

So if Loma wins in this fight against Commey, then Lopez can't hide next year. The fight should really be push, the ball is on Lopez court though, Loma is willing, but Lopez has so many excuses in his book.

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

Hopefully if both fighters won their respective fights, and Lopez didn't go up to 140 lbs and then the rest of the 135 lbs is busy fighting each other, maybe there's no other way for Lopez but to give Loma a rematch.

But it will still depends on how much the money will be on the table. His father is really looking for big fights for his son and obviously, this is their goal when they upset Loma. His fight with Kambosos Jr though, he will be getting a small chunk of money. So maybe a Loma rematch will happen if they are going to be offered by Arum big money.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 14, 2021, 03:52:02 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 14, 2021, 03:43:47 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 14, 2021, 03:18:50 PM

We will see Lopez fight Kambosos in the next couple of days, but that fight took many months in the making, changing of promotional company etc.. etc..

That is his only fight this year if it will happen.

Loma will have his 2nd fight this year against Commey and if he wins this 2021 is a great year for Loma as he bounces back strong. While on the other hand, Lopez will be tested in his fight with Kambasos as his opponent is also undefeated and I feel he can match Lopez fairly in the ring, I expect an upset here actually. IMO, the most active boxer this year is Canelo Alvarez as he had fought 3 times this year.

Right, and I think he also wanted to send a message to Lopez here that he is really back after he defeated him and he has move forward facing two tough opponent in the division.

So if Loma wins in this fight against Commey, then Lopez can't hide next year. The fight should really be push, the ball is on Lopez court though, Loma is willing, but Lopez has so many excuses in his book.

Because Lopez really knew that Loma isn't like the average fighter that he faced before, he also knew that he just luckily won by a small gap in score.
Maybe Lopez thinks that why would he fight Loma again (lame excuse), I defeat him already. We'll see it next year, chances that there will be a Loma vs Lopez 2 if Loma can eventually get this match in his favor.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 24, 2021, 04:27:19 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 24, 2021, 01:13:07 PM

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. Roll Eyes

For a moment I thought I was on the wrong thread as there is a lot of posts going about Canelo despite this thread being about another fight, however I think Canelo more than anything is chasing the money rather than avoiding GGG at this point, at least in the US the heavier divisions are the most popular, this is why when there are no good fighters on the heavyweight division the popularity of boxing goes down dramatically at the US, so Canelo is seeing an opportunity to make more money while at the same time he thinks he can dominate the division without Usyk there.

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This is annoying, one of my favourite fighters in boxing, along with Tyson Fury, and it clashes with one of the best UFC nights in recent memory. I'll probably be watching dual screen on December the 11th. Why don't boxing organizers, and UFC organizers work together, and avoid putting big fighters on a night where the other has big fighters fighting too?

Surely, it would benefit them to have as much viewership as possible, so organizing it for another day would be better.

Quote from: Questat on November 24, 2021, 04:35:01 PM

Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I wasn't overly impressed with Cancelo last going out against Plant, I thought up until the TKO he looked rather lackluster. He was winning the majoirty of the rounds, but certainly wasn't at his best. So, I would say it would be a legitimate concern he would lose the third fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 24, 2021, 04:27:19 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 24, 2021, 01:13:07 PM

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. Roll Eyes

Exactly, but Canelo sees the possibility that he might lose based on the last two fights these two met in the ring. Let's just respect the decision of Canelo but also remain optimistic that one day his mind will change and will give the fans an opportunity to see them fight again, I mean that should be another epic fight and everyone will be watching it, for sure.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 24, 2021, 01:13:07 PM

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

Canelo decide not to give that trilogy to GGG but instead he went up to another division chasing his fate to get another belt from different weight instead of favoring what fans are asking for him, personally, if the trilogy will take place the amount of possible profits is far better than how much he will earned from his upcoming fight.

There are many fans who continue to believe that GGG can beat him and regain the title. Roll Eyes

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Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

Canelo won their last fight by Majority Decision, though he prove that he is the better fighter between the two but you can't blame the fans of asking a trilogy because by far, that was the best fight of Canelo where he has an opponent that has a chance to beat him.

Yes, it's a majority decision but there was one judge who score the fight a draw 114-114. So it was really very close contest between the two, and we all know that the first fight was a draw. So by far, he maybe the winner of the fight between the two, but majority of the boxing fans still not convince that Canelo won because of how the way it was scored so we want a trilogy which Canelo doesn't want to give GGG. So there's still a lot of questions on our mind.

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Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

Canelo won their last fight by Majority Decision, though he prove that he is the better fighter between the two but you can't blame the fans of asking a trilogy because by far, that was the best fight of Canelo where he has an opponent that has a chance to beat him.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 23, 2021, 06:42:54 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 20, 2021, 08:13:11 AM

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

Maybe he feels comfortable, but nevertheless, you remember that he is not particularly eager to show his undeniable superiority (which he supposedly has) in the third fight. In addition, after all, this is a different situation - the boxers have already fought two fights and Golovkin had two chances to win, but he could not take advantage of them.

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Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Well if that's your technique, I have nothing against it, every bettor just has a different technique in calculating the risk. A bettor like me loves to take a high risk with a low bet, that way I don't feel so much affected when I lose and I will have a lot of fun if I win. In the end, we all make a guess because no one can predict the right outcome all the time.

I think you are not the only one who loves to bet on the underdog or at least take big risk in this fight. A ML won give us anything, unless you really have a deep pocket and bet on Loma with that small odds.

But majority will think otherwise, will look for high risk low bet reward and it's much more fulfilling if you are going to hit that huge odds. And even if we lose, if just a small bet anyways so we can live with it and gamble on the next boxing match.

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This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

He needs to take care of Kambasos first, he should not underestimate his opponent now because Kambasos has not experienced a loss in his career yet. Most likely if Lopez will win, he will move up in weight as he does not want to give Loma a chance for a rematch, he already stated that in the past.

He commended Loma but he doesn't want to face him and the option he have is to move up to avoid the fight,

It's not new if ever since Alvarez also doing the same, he already move to upper weight and challenge new face fighter.

If Lopez will move up there's no way for them to bring the entertainment fans wanted to see, it's in the hands of Lopez and his camp to

whether to continue avoiding Loma or make other behind door meeting for additional take, money speak better than anything Wink

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Quote from: madnessteat on November 18, 2021, 04:30:26 AM

Quote from: Questat on November 17, 2021, 04:41:15 PM

Let's wait for the betting odds to be available as betting on the ML for Loma does not make sense unless you have huge capital.

If you are looking for attractive odds, betting on KO in a specific range of rounds would be the answer, mostly, the round ranges are per 3 rounds, you just have to make a good guess and put your money, or bet on Loma winning by decision, maybe that is higher than the 1.15 odds.

I don't chase high odds as it increases the risk of losing. I try not to take risks, so it is more important for me to increase my deposit a little than to take a risk and lose a part of my deposit in case of losing.

Calculate how much the probability of winning decreases when betting on one of the ranges of rounds and if you are satisfied with such risks, then place this bet.

Well if that's your technique, I have nothing against it, every bettor just has a different technique in calculating the risk. A bettor like me loves to take a high risk with a low bet, that way I don't feel so much affected when I lose and I will have a lot of fun if I win. In the end, we all make a guess because no one can predict the right outcome all the time.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 20, 2021, 08:13:11 AM

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

Canelo avoided GGG for a third fight for a very long period of time and feels rather comfortable. More than 3 years has passed and 2 point advantage does not look like a strong statement that Canelo is better than GGG. Canelo say that he is not interested in fighting someone he has already beat. Same could do Lopez. I am not sure that GGG really insisted on a third fight, but I also dont remember Lomachenko immediately asking for a rematch.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 20, 2021, 08:13:11 AM

Quote from: wxa7115 on November 19, 2021, 04:41:51 PM

This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

He needs to take care of Kambasos first, he should not underestimate his opponent now because Kambasos has not experienced a loss in his career yet. Most likely if Lopez will win, he will move up in weight as he does not want to give Loma a chance for a rematch, he already stated that in the past.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on November 19, 2021, 04:41:51 PM

This is why I think it is going to be difficult to see that fight, I really do not think that Lopez is tying to avoid Lomachenko, we know that fighters say a lot of things to try to hype up the fight but as soon as it is over they give each other a hug and then they give praise to their opponent on the post-fight interviews.

However it seems to me the problems of Lopez and Lomachenko are real and this means Lopez will do everything he can to not give Lomachenko a chance at challenging him for his titles.

Lopez's only chance of avoiding a rematch is to move to a different weight class. If he does not do this, then sooner or later he will be forced to enter this fight or give up the belt. In addition, such avoidance of a strong opponent is always bad for a boxer's reputation, and should not be abused.

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Odds seems to be in favour of the local guy, if you can call anyone local from NY. Vasyl, the Ucranian guy is a strong candidate and much harder in my view than others that have tried to get the title before, but beating a Japanese boxer is not really a credential is it? Richard Comey is at an advantage, at least psychological by playing in the US. And despite all that, still betting on Loma makes sense at current odds, as they seem to be too far on Richard's side.

Whether where Loma will fight, he will always be the favorite to win, and it's not new to him fighting in the US as majority of his fights happen in the US, we can check his full fight records here https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771.

As per record, Commey has the experience and that is his only advantage as far as I can see, so I'm not surprised that Loma here is a heavy favorite.

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Vasyl Lomachenko has opened as the -400 betting favorite against Richard Commey.

https://www.thesportsgeek.com/news/sportsbooks-install-vasyl-lomachenko-as-heavy-betting-favorite-against-richard-commey/

True, although Loma is not stateside, Arum was able to bring his talent to the US soil and boy we did witnessed one of the greatest amateur turn into professional and become of the boxing greats in recent time.

So there is no surprised that he is the heavy favorite here against Commey, although RC is also a former world champion, but the A-side of this fight is still Loma.

Arum knows how to build up a fighter, although sometimes he really cherry pick the opponent of his cash cow to make them look great, like in Manny Pacquiao, he has this uncanny ability to bring other nationalities in the US and make them a name.

And as far as I can remember, Loma did fight for a belt in his 3rd fight, that's how good Loma really is, coming from the amateur and then going pro and winning a belt in fewer fights.

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