[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 21.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 14, 2022, 07:11:38 AM

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As for the betting discussion, Inoue by a decision is not that likely and I expect this will be a KO but the challenge is to know what range it will happen.

Maybe, however, if you want your KO bet to be exciting, you need to guess correctly which rounds Inoue will KO Butler. Usually the formats are rounds 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12.. You will only choose one for better odds, that's still 25% chance only if it will be a KO win by Inoue indeed.

Well, it's kinda hard to put a bet on the first three rounds because I know Butler won't be facing Inoue on a toe-to-toe match here because he'd probably end the fight within the 1st or 2nd round. Strongest option for me is the second one, that might be the time where Butler is already cornered. How about you, what do you think?

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Quote from: stadus on October 14, 2022, 08:14:09 AM

Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

I think that would not be the betting option we can expect here in this match.

With Naoya Inoue's Knock Out rate, the odds instead for him to win by the decision will have decent odds and not low. I'm also sure that Inoue's Winning by Knock Out especially in the early rounds, probably between Rounds 1-4, won't have that good odds since chances for the fight to be finished on that said rounds are possible as we are talking Naoya Inoue and he is against a super underdog.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on October 14, 2022, 05:19:24 PM

I think Butler will try to prolong the fight so he will make use of the ring. Butler will avoid confrontation and make use of jobs, side steps and step back just to evade any head-on confrontation. So probably the fight might get way pass the 4th round unless Butler or Inoue(which is highly unlikely) got caught with a KO punch.

Doing that is like Butler doesn't want to try to win the match. He can only win by points and if he will avoid confrontation, how can he win?

Much better if Butler will go toe to toe and tried his best to keep up against Naoya Inoue.

The fans will appreciate it if Butler will try to go toe to toe instead of avoiding the confrontation with Inoue.

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 14, 2022, 10:45:53 AM

That might be the next possible scenario that they will face in the super-bantamweight and be each other's foe in their debut. Although there are some doubts on Casimero because his strength and speed might not be the same while Inoue, no doubt, he will possibly maintain his skillset. Hopefully they will so that we can see it.

I also think that Casimero and Inoue will meet when Inoue decided to go up in the division. Watching the previous fights of Inoue and Casimero, I don't think Casimero can beat Inoue at his current skill set. Although I am looking forward for Casimero - Inoue fight, the more I watches their fight, the more I am convinced that Inoue is a better boxer of the two.

Quote from: cabron on October 14, 2022, 12:50:44 PM

Exactly. This is Inoue's domain and its his time. If Inoue can beat the top champs who are better than Butler, its hard to see Inoue not going to win nor draw. Better odds in picking which round he'll win. Most of his fights ended with a TKO, that's a tipoff. Round 3 is probably my best guess where ref will stop the fight.

I think Butler will try to prolong the fight so he will make use of the ring. Butler will avoid confrontation and make use of jobs, side steps and step back just to evade any head-on confrontation. So probably the fight might get way pass the 4th round unless Butler or Inoue(which is highly unlikely) got caught with a KO punch.

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This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

I share the same sentiment because I believe it would be Casimero fighting for the undisputed title if he didn't fail to meet the required weight and all those scandal that he was in that is why he was stripped by his belt. In terms of power, my money is for Casimero if he were to fight Butler, no doubt. That is why I strongly believe that Butler cannot prove us wrong because his skills are just too unfortunate if we will compare with Inoue as he can't really keep up with Inoue's power.

Oh well, as much as we wanted to see Casimero vs Inoue as the next best fight if not the best fight in this division, it won't be happening. We've seen how Casimero issues really caught up with him and so the fight is off already and it will be Butler chance to crack the puzzle of Inoue. But we all doubt it, chances are slim. But if it is Casimero then maybe the odds are not going to be like that. maybe Casimero will be an underdog like 4x-6x as compare to Butler's 12x. But then again, we can't say that Casimero vs Inoue will not face each other in the future. Maybe we have hopes that in the next division, they will have to fight for the belt, so the wait will continue for us boxing fans.

That might be the next possible scenario that they will face in the super-bantamweight and be each other's foe in their debut. Although there are some doubts on Casimero because his strength and speed might not be the same while Inoue, no doubt, he will possibly maintain his skillset. Hopefully they will so that we can see it.

Yeah, but I think it might do good for Casimero to move up and I think he can still retain his power in the next division. The thing is that they might be facing a natural featherweight, so it's not just Casimero but Inoue will also need to adjust as well.

And so with that, chances are they can still face each other in the ring and who knows, it could be for the championship belt.

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That's why I said that there might be a knockout in this match.
We know Inoue is one of the boxers who can be said to be a monster for now and looking at the Butler fight stats you provide, this makes me even more convinced to bet on KO.
I know he is strong but when it comes to Inoue I don't see any sign of him being balanced in this match because Inoue is still at the top in my opinion.

Also, Inoue withstand one of the biggest puncher in this division and manage to survived and Donaire didn't score a knock down but he broke Inoue's orbital bone. And if we are going to compare both boxers, just for power, I would give Nonito the edge.

And with that, Butler needs to develop more power (which I doubt he can train), or caught Inoue with a lucky punch (but Inoue has solid chin). And so as others have pointed out, if there will be a knockdown or knockout here, it will be Inoue scoring that.

With a fairly short time because there are only a few months left, it seems that this is quite difficult for Butler and indeed even if this can be done it takes a lot of effort because there is only 1 month of preparation in my opinion, this is quite fast.
But apart from that of course we expect the best fight from these two boxers and I'm pretty sure they will do it even though my choice is still in Inoue.

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Paul Butler probably knows that already that's why he is just taking an advantage while he can earn because there's really no way that Butler can give Inoue a hard time especially with the monster's current abilities. Butler may have a delicious odds on this fight but I doubt it will tempt the bettors because his chances are almost near to impossible, Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

I guess even the Inoue to win by KO odds are still very low unless we will make it harder like guessing what round Butler will go down. As of now, it's still hard to decide since we have not seen the betting odds yet, so we can be a little patient while continuing to be optimistic that nothing can stop this fight from being postponed or canceled.

Exactly. This is Inoue's domain and its his time. If Inoue can beat the top champs who are better than Butler, its hard to see Inoue not going to win nor draw. Better odds in picking which round he'll win. Most of his fights ended with a TKO, that's a tipoff. Round 3 is probably my best guess where ref will stop the fight.

Yes, if we are going to go with the odds in this fight, it's better to look for KO and in which round. Below 7.5 is a good estimate by the odds is not going to be high as well.

So picking which rounds Inoue will win by knockout, just like what he did to Donaire, just 2 rounds. Maybe Butler might survived a bit longer at 3 or 4 rounds

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 14, 2022, 08:31:32 AM

Quote from: stadus on October 14, 2022, 08:14:09 AM

Paul Butler probably knows that already that's why he is just taking an advantage while he can earn because there's really no way that Butler can give Inoue a hard time especially with the monster's current abilities. Butler may have a delicious odds on this fight but I doubt it will tempt the bettors because his chances are almost near to impossible, Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

I guess even the Inoue to win by KO odds are still very low unless we will make it harder like guessing what round Butler will go down. As of now, it's still hard to decide since we have not seen the betting odds yet, so we can be a little patient while continuing to be optimistic that nothing can stop this fight from being postponed or canceled.

Exactly. This is Inoue's domain and its his time. If Inoue can beat the top champs who are better than Butler, its hard to see Inoue not going to win nor draw. Better odds in picking which round he'll win. Most of his fights ended with a TKO, that's a tipoff. Round 3 is probably my best guess where ref will stop the fight.

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This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

I share the same sentiment because I believe it would be Casimero fighting for the undisputed title if he didn't fail to meet the required weight and all those scandal that he was in that is why he was stripped by his belt. In terms of power, my money is for Casimero if he were to fight Butler, no doubt. That is why I strongly believe that Butler cannot prove us wrong because his skills are just too unfortunate if we will compare with Inoue as he can't really keep up with Inoue's power.

Oh well, as much as we wanted to see Casimero vs Inoue as the next best fight if not the best fight in this division, it won't be happening. We've seen how Casimero issues really caught up with him and so the fight is off already and it will be Butler chance to crack the puzzle of Inoue. But we all doubt it, chances are slim. But if it is Casimero then maybe the odds are not going to be like that. maybe Casimero will be an underdog like 4x-6x as compare to Butler's 12x. But then again, we can't say that Casimero vs Inoue will not face each other in the future. Maybe we have hopes that in the next division, they will have to fight for the belt, so the wait will continue for us boxing fans.

That might be the next possible scenario that they will face in the super-bantamweight and be each other's foe in their debut. Although there are some doubts on Casimero because his strength and speed might not be the same while Inoue, no doubt, he will possibly maintain his skillset. Hopefully they will so that we can see it.

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Quote from: stadus on October 14, 2022, 08:14:09 AM

Paul Butler probably knows that already that's why he is just taking an advantage while he can earn because there's really no way that Butler can give Inoue a hard time especially with the monster's current abilities. Butler may have a delicious odds on this fight but I doubt it will tempt the bettors because his chances are almost near to impossible, Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

I guess even the Inoue to win by KO odds are still very low unless we will make it harder like guessing what round Butler will go down. As of now, it's still hard to decide since we have not seen the betting odds yet, so we can be a little patient while continuing to be optimistic that nothing can stop this fight from being postponed or canceled.

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That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

If you look at Naoya's previous fight against Donaire Kans to make this a KO, it's obviously very big.
Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Inoue is still amazing to me and I'm definitely going to bet on a knockout under round 4.

I can only say that Paul Butler has no chance of winning. And, I agree that there is a huge possibility that Butler will get knockout might be around round 4 - 6.

Best to invest huge money to bet for Inoue since the odds are low. Much better to have option for knockouts for every rounds which I think will be much worth it.

Paul Butler probably knows that already that's why he is just taking an advantage while he can earn because there's really no way that Butler can give Inoue a hard time especially with the monster's current abilities. Butler may have a delicious odds on this fight but I doubt it will tempt the bettors because his chances are almost near to impossible, Inoue via knockout is much better rather than betting with a decision with low odds.

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Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The fight is interesting as this is the moment when boxing fans will now see Naoya Inoue being crowned as the Bantamweight King.

Also, the moment, when Butler fans will see how their idol will beat Naoya Inoue and make an upset win.

However, the first one is more close to happening rather than the second one. Sorry Butler fans and they just have to accept the reality.

I think even Butler fans understand the most likely outcome by far is that Inoue will win this fight, what we do not know is how he will win and how fast it will be? Since I love boxing I do hope we get to see a good exhibition from Butler and he can give a good fight to Inoue even if he happens to lose, after all it would be extremely disappointing that Inoue became the undisputed champion and there was not a good enough rival in front of him when that happened.

Butler is not an exceptional fighter, against the beast he has no chance to win, I agree that we are not talking about who is going to win this fight but rather the round that Inoue will finish Butler, this is where the bookies will likely put predictions, but I will not rule out a knock because both fighters are training hard and Butler also has a good knock our ratio, although not as good as Inoue has if Butler happens to win it will be the biggest upset in the history of boxing much bigger than the Tyson- Douglas match or any other upsets in the history of any sports.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 14, 2022, 06:58:53 AM

As for the betting discussion, Inoue by a decision is not that likely and I expect this will be a KO but the challenge is to know what range it will happen.

Maybe, however, if you want your KO bet to be exciting, you need to guess correctly which rounds Inoue will KO Butler. Usually the formats are rounds 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12.. You will only choose one for better odds, that's still 25% chance only if it will be a KO win by Inoue indeed.

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Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The betting here is not on who will win as obviously we know already who will, we can bet on the type of outcome, could be by KO in what round or range of rounds, or could be by decision in favor of Inoue.

That is true, the fight itself is not that interesting to see, what we want to see is Inoue's coronation as an undisputed boxer in the bantamweight division and of course, we want to know what will happen next as he will surely make some remarks after the fight. As for the betting discussion, Inoue by a decision is not that likely and I expect this will be a KO but the challenge is to know what range it will happen.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 13, 2022, 02:29:45 AM

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Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

The only way to win some bets in this fight would be the over and under what rounds will it finish. I speculate after Inoue's knockout on Nonito Donaire, the sportsbooks will place it on 6.5 rounds with not very good odds on under. It might be offered on 1.50 which might not be very good because Paul Butler has been knocked out only once before. It was in round 8 and this occured a long time ago on 2015. If the sportsbook offer 1.70, this would be more inviting.

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Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The fight is interesting as this is the moment when boxing fans will now see Naoya Inoue being crowned as the Bantamweight King.

Also, the moment, when Butler fans will see how their idol will beat Naoya Inoue and make an upset win.

However, the first one is more close to happening rather than the second one. Sorry Butler fans and they just have to accept the reality.

I think even Butler fans understand the most likely outcome by far is that Inoue will win this fight, what we do not know is how he will win and how fast it will be? Since I love boxing I do hope we get to see a good exhibition from Butler and he can give a good fight to Inoue even if he happens to lose, after all it would be extremely disappointing that Inoue became the undisputed champion and there was not a good enough rival in front of him when that happened.

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Quote from: Questat on October 13, 2022, 03:15:53 AM

Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The fight is interesting as this is the moment when boxing fans will now see Naoya Inoue being crowned as the Bantamweight King.

Also, the moment, when Butler fans will see how their idol will beat Naoya Inoue and make an upset win.

However, the first one is more close to happening rather than the second one. Sorry Butler fans and they just have to accept the reality.

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Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Paul Butler may be strong (regardless of his opponent) during his early years as his KO rate in those years is impressive. However, during his last 15 fights since 2016, about 11 of these wins came from decisions that make me believe that his power is now slowly fading where in fact, there are even no big names in those last 15 fights.

Sorry to say that alone is the reason why he doesn't have any chance to win against Inoue. For those saying upset is possible, I don't understand what is the basis to believe that Butler can upset Inoue. There's even more chance to hit a lottery jackpot compare to expecting an upset win by Butler of course if they are both healthy on the day of the fight.

That's why I said that there might be a knockout in this match.
We know Inoue is one of the boxers who can be said to be a monster for now and looking at the Butler fight stats you provide, this makes me even more convinced to bet on KO.
I know he is strong but when it comes to Inoue I don't see any sign of him being balanced in this match because Inoue is still at the top in my opinion.

Also, Inoue withstand one of the biggest puncher in this division and manage to survived and Donaire didn't score a knock down but he broke Inoue's orbital bone. And if we are going to compare both boxers, just for power, I would give Nonito the edge.

And with that, Butler needs to develop more power (which I doubt he can train), or caught Inoue with a lucky punch (but Inoue has solid chin). And so as others have pointed out, if there will be a knockdown or knockout here, it will be Inoue scoring that.

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 12, 2022, 06:47:56 PM

Quote from: Raflesia on October 12, 2022, 06:01:01 PM

Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Paul Butler may be strong (regardless of his opponent) during his early years as his KO rate in those years is impressive. However, during his last 15 fights since 2016, about 11 of these wins came from decisions that make me believe that his power is now slowly fading where in fact, there are even no big names in those last 15 fights.

Sorry to say that alone is the reason why he doesn't have any chance to win against Inoue. For those saying upset is possible, I don't understand what is the basis to believe that Butler can upset Inoue. There's even more chance to hit a lottery jackpot compare to expecting an upset win by Butler of course if they are both healthy on the day of the fight.

That's why I said that there might be a knockout in this match.
We know Inoue is one of the boxers who can be said to be a monster for now and looking at the Butler fight stats you provide, this makes me even more convinced to bet on KO.
I know he is strong but when it comes to Inoue I don't see any sign of him being balanced in this match because Inoue is still at the top in my opinion.

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Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The betting here is not on who will win as obviously we know already who will, we can bet on the type of outcome, could be by KO in what round or range of rounds, or could be by decision in favor of Inoue.

if you are into higher odd that kind of pick will attract your interest since ML is not good unless you will go to risk
huge amount of your bankroll, in most opinions, Inoue really takes the upper hand here,

Risking a huge amount IMO is not a good idea, with less than 5% of your total bet as your possible winning, that's a high risk to take.
I know Inoue is almost unbeatable, however, in gambling there's no such thing as "guarantee", and though Butler's chance is very slim, but anything could happen, including the almost impossible.

Quote from: Pamadar on October 13, 2022, 04:19:00 AM

fighting in front of your own fans and the motivation to hold all the belts from this division, some of the factors that will make him very keen in winning this fight. On the gambler's side, if you are a fan of high-risk bet taking Butler will provide a huge amount of winning profits but it's a suicidal take, but the worth in case upset happens is really huge.

Betting on Butler is not a high risk for me, because I would just put a small amount and just enjoy the fight, and if I got lucky, that would be a big payday for me.

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