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Topic: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 18. (Read 16008 times)

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About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.


And as for the experienced watching Casimero, he's always on a mission where he wanted to earn his spot.

Though it's no longer the same weight where he manages to dominate and win the belt, it's another challenge for him
beating stronger opponents.

The chance for meeting Inoue will be there after he accomplished establishing his resume from this new division that
he choose to move,.


It will take time for him but he will get there for sure, he just need to win every fight, including this comeback fight of course as it's a huge step for his new journey. After Inoue will win, he will be moving up and that again he will meet Casimero, and hopefully he will go for a match.

They will definitely have to meet somewhere and it could be in the next division. As we already know, Casimero is moving up to 122 pounds and will face a opponent in December, so he will have a first crack in this division and hopefully he can carry his power.

While Inoue's mission is to unify the 118 pounds, don't know when was the last time we have seen a unified champion here, but in any case this is already an accomplished in Inoue's young career and then he goes up to 122 pounds and maybe he will see Casimero finally in that weight class.
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About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.


And as for the experienced watching Casimero, he's always on a mission where he wanted to earn his spot.

Though it's no longer the same weight where he manages to dominate and win the belt, it's another challenge for him
beating stronger opponents.

The chance for meeting Inoue will be there after he accomplished establishing his resume from this new division that
he choose to move,.


It will take time for him but he will get there for sure, he just need to win every fight, including this comeback fight of course as it's a huge step for his new journey. After Inoue will win, he will be moving up and that again he will meet Casimero, and hopefully he will go for a match.

Let's just wait for the result of this fight, I know we are excited to see Casimero being back again fighting champions. Also, this topic is about Butler and Inoue, though it's not an interesting fight to watch IMO but it's part of the process for Inoue to become an undisputed champion. Just like Canelo, although he move up, he was still the favorite in his first try and he lose in that fight, so nothing is certain once Inoue move up.
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About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.


And as for the experienced watching Casimero, he's always on a mission where he wanted to earn his spot.

Though it's no longer the same weight where he manages to dominate and win the belt, it's another challenge for him
beating stronger opponents.

The chance for meeting Inoue will be there after he accomplished establishing his resume from this new division that
he choose to move,.


It will take time for him but he will get there for sure, he just need to win every fight, including this comeback fight of course as it's a huge step for his new journey. After Inoue will win, he will be moving up and that again he will meet Casimero, and hopefully he will go for a match.
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Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of Naoya Inoue but just referring to the close one that will happen in the match.

Even for let's say Butler is able to beat Casimero, still it doesn't change the fact that he is nowhere within Inoue's league.

People are not underestimating Butler without a good basis.
I find it interesting that there are the other side that thinks that Butler will win against Inoue. But to those that have seen how good really is Inoue, you'll be like us who have the idea why we're thinking like that.

But it's okay to think that it could be Butler getting this match because of what you have seen as well. So, it will end up that we could be wrong or it could be you when the time comes. Although, it's not a biggie really.
It's always good to know what everyone thinks, because people who don't go to the favorite par excellence always have weighty arguments that can actually make Inoue's fight go to the ground, if Butler in one of those things, have and He comes out with the conviction of winning and makes Inoue fit into his strategy, he can do it, but why not? Butler's training that he must be undergoing must be very exhausting, he knows that he will not face any boxer, and he wants to have a high level in boxing, so these things sometimes in boxers, instead of causing them fear, cause them to be quite emotional knowing that they can make a difference against all odds.


I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

Yes, but I reckon that Inoue can bring his power, but it's better to see it in the future when he decided to move up to super bantamweight. And it only makes sense for Inoue to go up, there's no more challenge for him in 118 lbs after he defeat Butler next.

And again, he talks about the champion in the super bantam and it seems he is looking forward to move up already. While the champion are welcoming him in and they are ready to face him. Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev is ready for the Monster.

Well as you have said, I think that Inoue needs to continue his career to the top as a professional, maybe that way he will show more of what he is made of and thus not only be the king for what he has achieved so far, of course, everyone gives for winner to Inoue against Butler, but this is something that although it is sung that it will happen, there is still nothing certain, many things can happen, an injury or something similar for a boxer can change events, and with respect to Inoue level up with your weight getting heavier to face new opponents, with more options to make yourself known, I think it will draw a lot of attention.

That's the kind of liberty Inoue has, he is in the top 10 for the pound for pound ranking, so he's considered a tough challenger for any champion, and if the promoter of the champion would want to have a big fight that will also make them earn a lot of money, they should be ready fighting Inoue as Inoue is one of the most popular boxers now in the world.
i will anonymous agree that the more the fight for a popular fighter the more their money increase, so the aspect of Inoue and
Casimero, i will tell you that the both kind of fight is something that have to do with experience, because it's not all about this particular person is popular that means it is in rightful position to win everytime, i think it's a wrong conception, with what I'm seeing now  can not conclude that Casimero will defeat Inoue because of it have more fans or Inoue will defeat because of same reason.


However, for Casimero, it seems like he needs to do a hyping job again in order for him to gain the attention of the fans, and he should also consistently winning.
Hyping does not guaranteed for wining and it's very obvious, what bring wining is you new strategies which the opponents doesn't encourter before, someone people lost fight after they have been hyped and at last they lose the match.
Well, I like the approach they have here, but you have to recognize something, for me things have to increase, and have more good experiences, you have to see boxing not only as a sport that you can dominate and be top in the bets, but also in what the business model represents, we must not forget that the champions like to show off against fighters who can feel they can win, and against Inoue things have to be weighed very well because of how this boxer is , at any moment he can come out with a great blow or a combination that leaves him a little out of this world, that's Inoue's style, I think that's why he's one of the best.



Well some don't miss an opportunity, this Inoue vs. Butler fight is attracting more people, more fights, more action:

Inoue vs. Butler: Peter McGrail Lands Spot on Undercard




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Peter McGrail will have “unfinished business” on his mind when he fights on the undercard of a monster show in Japan this December.

The gifted super bantamweight has secured a place on the undercard of the undisputed world bantamweight title showdown between Naoya Inoue and Paul Butler in Tokyo.

McGrail returns to Japan on December 13 ready to draw a line under the disappointment of his Olympic exit in the country last year and show the world of boxing why he remains destined for the pinnacle of the sport.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/inoue-vs-butler-peter-mcgrail-lands-spot-on-undercard--169823
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About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.


And as for the experienced watching Casimero, he's always on a mission where he wanted to earn his spot.

Though it's no longer the same weight where he manages to dominate and win the belt, it's another challenge for him
beating stronger opponents.

The chance for meeting Inoue will be there after he accomplished establishing his resume from this new division that
he choose to move,.
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He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I don't believe that Naoya Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero. They already have an official fight but the pandemic wrecked that fight. And to clarify things about that supposed bout between Inoue and Casimero, it's the WBO that stepped up and mandate the latter to defend his title against Paul Butler who later on got the WBO title from him and now has a chance to fight Inoue.

Yeah, Inoue shows intention that he did want to fight Casimero and that time, it was doable, Casimero will just have to defend his belt against Butler. And with the way he bad mouthing Inoue, Naoya is very eager to shut the mouth of the Filipino. Unfortunately, the fight is not going to happen in 118 lbs.

There's no way that Inoue will not fight Casimero. Inoue is ready for anyone. Blame Casimero for his reckless action as he should be the one fighting for the bantamweight unification fight and not Paul Butler. He's the reason why he never has a chance now to face Inoue.

True, he really killed his chances when he can't control the weight and not it's Paul Butler who is taking his position. But as I have said, there is still chance for them to meet in the next weight class of 122. So we will see, Casimero has a scheduled fight already this December, he just have to win again to keep our hopes of seeing this fight in the future.
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He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I think the topic here shouldn't lead to Inoue beating the achievement of Pacquaio. That is surely out of his vocabulary and plan.

He will just go with the flow, defeating all of his opponents on the way and if he will reached the same achievement as Pacquiao, then that is something he didn't target but just do his thing to always win.

About the chances of him meeting Casimero in the future, it's possible although Quadro Alas needs to start building his rank in the Super Bantamweight.
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Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.

On my personal take, each fighter wanted to achieve the most that they can in their careers. Like what you said, the threat to anyone
who holds the title is high since Inoue is possible to beat them.

We will know what the fate of Inoue will be once he already shown his interest or once he already announces that he's ready to move
up and challenge the champ.

Until then, we are all going to wait for the final decision and expect another great fight from Inoue.
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Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

Boxers know their capability that's why while moving up weight, their respective body is adopting the new environment.

Before, I'm sure Pacquiao will reach the Welterweight Division as it's a rare case for a PH boxer to fight in that division but he did. It's because he did it slowly but surely and he didn't just jump right away making his body adopt every weight division he enters.

Naoya Inoue can be the same too and only him knows if he is capable of fighting at much higher divisions.
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He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.

I don't believe that Naoya Inoue is not interested in fighting Casimero. They already have an official fight but the pandemic wrecked that fight. And to clarify things about that supposed bout between Inoue and Casimero, it's the WBO that stepped up and mandate the latter to defend his title against Paul Butler who later on got the WBO title from him and now has a chance to fight Inoue.

There's no way that Inoue will not fight Casimero. Inoue is ready for anyone. Blame Casimero for his reckless action as he should be the one fighting for the bantamweight unification fight and not Paul Butler. He's the reason why he never has a chance now to face Inoue.
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Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.

He can follow the footstep of Manny Pacquiao but he will never beat the achievement of Pacquiao who is the only 8th division champion. Inoue though one of the most popular boxers now I find him not a total risk taker as he does not accept every challenge on him, just like when Casimero was still a champ and he was challenged, he did respond to words that he will fight him but did not sign a contract, not sure if it's his promoter of it's really him who is not interested in fighting his closest rival.
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Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.

He will slowly go up, just like Manny Pacquiao did. About his chances, we never know, but one thing I know is that he will be a scary opponent to the champions, and it's nice to see him not playing safe as he will try to push his limit to be one of the greatest in boxing industry.
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Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.

Yes mate there many big fights waiting for him in the higher division in the world of boxing but I think if inoue want to fight in higher weight then the chances of winning are getting smaller. As we all know that in the higher division, strength and power are bases to win the fight. but if even inoue rise his weight and the power and speed are there for him then he can win because the more his speed getting quicklier the more chance he win.
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Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.
I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.

Exactly mate as we all know that inoue nowadays in his prime he is unbeatable not because of his technique but all in his speed and power prove that he is a monster in the world of boxing. Butler now is okay and good for me but when he fight against inoue I don't think so if he can knock down the monster and win the fight, maybe in unanimous decision he has a chance but for now I'll go for inoue as he has already prove that in the bantamweight division he is the king.

Bantamweight is the division where he is dominating, and if he will win his next fight and will try to move up, that's the time we will see if Inoue can still carry his power and speed in a higher division. He is very popular now because of his high KO rate, but there's a huge challenge waiting for him, and as a fan, that makes us excited to find out if he can still succeed.
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Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.
I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.

Exactly mate as we all know that inoue nowadays in his prime he is unbeatable not because of his technique but all in his speed and power prove that he is a monster in the world of boxing. Butler now is okay and good for me but when he fight against inoue I don't think so if he can knock down the monster and win the fight, maybe in unanimous decision he has a chance but for now I'll go for inoue as he has already prove that in the bantamweight division he is the king.
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Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.
I'm not anymore thinking of this fight because I know that Inoue will just dominate Butler here.
Not the fight that we wanted to see, but here it is, Inoue's path in becoming an undisputed champion is gonna be easy,  no disrespect to Butler but that's how I see it and probably most of us.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.

More money to come for him as mega fights will be created if he will challenge the champions.
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I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

Yes, but I reckon that Inoue can bring his power, but it's better to see it in the future when he decided to move up to super bantamweight. And it only makes sense for Inoue to go up, there's no more challenge for him in 118 lbs after he defeat Butler next.

And again, he talks about the champion in the super bantam and it seems he is looking forward to move up already. While the champion are welcoming him in and they are ready to face him. Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev is ready for the Monster.

That a great catch for Inoue if he and his camp decided to move up, the challenge between the current belt holders is ready
to give him the fight that he wanted to take.

Though it needed for him to complete the chase and hold all the belts from his current division, which is no longer far to happen,
after this fight against Butler, there's nothing more for him.

Deciding to move up will also increase his potential benefits. What more if he will beat the champ and collect more belts
under his name.
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That's the kind of liberty Inoue has, he is in the top 10 for the pound for pound ranking, so he's considered a tough challenger for any champion, and if the promoter of the champion would want to have a big fight that will also make them earn a lot of money, they should be ready fighting Inoue as Inoue is one of the most popular boxers now in the world.
i will anonymous agree that the more the fight for a popular fighter the more their money increase, so the aspect of Inoue and
Casimero, i will tell you that the both kind of fight is something that have to do with experience, because it's not all about this particular person is popular that means it is in rightful position to win everytime, i think it's a wrong conception, with what I'm seeing now  can not conclude that Casimero will defeat Inoue because of it have more fans or Inoue will defeat because of same reason.


However, for Casimero, it seems like he needs to do a hyping job again in order for him to gain the attention of the fans, and he should also consistently winning.
Hyping does not guaranteed for wining and it's very obvious, what bring wining is you new strategies which the opponents doesn't encourter before, someone people lost fight after they have been hyped and at last they lose the match.
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I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.

Yes, but I reckon that Inoue can bring his power, but it's better to see it in the future when he decided to move up to super bantamweight. And it only makes sense for Inoue to go up, there's no more challenge for him in 118 lbs after he defeat Butler next.

And again, he talks about the champion in the super bantam and it seems he is looking forward to move up already. While the champion are welcoming him in and they are ready to face him. Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev is ready for the Monster.
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I guess their unification fight will still happen and it's inevitable because both of them are looking forward to make their own respective legacy, although I think there will be some stalling first  and knowing Casimero, he might bark to lift the hype until their fight is official. It might be delayed but it won't last long.

If Inoue will move up, there are champions that he has to beat, Casimero is not a champ so he also needs to win more fights like Inoue's gonna do. I hope to see them fight together because Casimero has been challenging Inoue when he was still a champion, but Inoue just ignore the challenge and fight an old Donaire, I don't know if he is just playing safe or what.

The same goes for Inoue if he decides to take his skills in the next weight class, he'll start just like what others do to test the waters because aside from that, he can't bring his belts in super bantamweight. His advantage is his status and not his record, that will keep him on hype to take the champions there after just 1 fight. Casimero's situation is different, he is literally starting from scratch in-order to fight the champions, but who knows? Inoue might pick Casimero on his debut and that'll be a nice gift for the fans of both camps.
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