[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 43.

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I think he will then move up to featherweight.

I'm starting to sense that this is where he's really going and about to do. When he's already undisputed on the other division, he's not getting that much challenge anymore and he has to step up.

Not saying that the boxers he has faced and the others on that division aren't that great.

But if he's the type of boxer that's up for challenges and he's proving something to himself, that's what he must do and move up until he proves to everyone how the monster of him managed to get up to several divisions and belts.

Definitely, it doesn't make sense for him to stay at this division since he clean up it already. Winning WBSS against Donaire, and then in his last fight he knock him out. So if he beat Butler by any shape, then he should go up and Fulton and Murodjon. This two has divided the belt amongst them, so clearly that will be the target of Inoue and this could be his 4th weight class with a belt.

Yeah, stepping up is one of the things he has to do to make his career more colorful.

If he just keeps on dominating his current weight level, there's really a need for him to do either going up or lower down. Just like what Manny Pacquiao did.

But this time, it's not a Filipino fighter that's doing it but a strong japanese boxer.

He loves challenges so that is the best options for him, chase those champions in the higher weight class.

One thing that goes for him is that he is being managed by Bob Arum, who already has the blue print on how to go up in weight and face the champions and claim their belt and then go chase the next. But probably I'm seeing his getting to be, and not sure about it, be the first Japanese to move at least 4-5 division south and win a belt. So far Canelo has 4 and chasing a 5th to be the first Mexican to do so. Inoue can do that as well to be the first Japanese.

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I think he will then move up to featherweight.

I'm starting to sense that this is where he's really going and about to do. When he's already undisputed on the other division, he's not getting that much challenge anymore and he has to step up.

Not saying that the boxers he has faced and the others on that division aren't that great.

But if he's the type of boxer that's up for challenges and he's proving something to himself, that's what he must do and move up until he proves to everyone how the monster of him managed to get up to several divisions and belts.

Definitely, it doesn't make sense for him to stay at this division since he clean up it already. Winning WBSS against Donaire, and then in his last fight he knock him out. So if he beat Butler by any shape, then he should go up and Fulton and Murodjon. This two has divided the belt amongst them, so clearly that will be the target of Inoue and this could be his 4th weight class with a belt.

Yeah, stepping up is one of the things he has to do to make his career more colorful.

If he just keeps on dominating his current weight level, there's really a need for him to do either going up or lower down. Just like what Manny Pacquiao did.

But this time, it's not a Filipino fighter that's doing it but a strong japanese boxer.

That's the best move for him if he wanted to increase his paycheck, moving up and challenge other division

champion and try to take the belt from them would add more color to his career, let see after this fight if he will move
up or he will stay at this current division and continue dominating.

Maybe he and his camp are already thinking about it and they are trying to excite the fans. The announcement will be there
if there're changes that he will take.

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I think he will then move up to featherweight.

I'm starting to sense that this is where he's really going and about to do. When he's already undisputed on the other division, he's not getting that much challenge anymore and he has to step up.

Not saying that the boxers he has faced and the others on that division aren't that great.

But if he's the type of boxer that's up for challenges and he's proving something to himself, that's what he must do and move up until he proves to everyone how the monster of him managed to get up to several divisions and belts.

Definitely, it doesn't make sense for him to stay at this division since he clean up it already. Winning WBSS against Donaire, and then in his last fight he knock him out. So if he beat Butler by any shape, then he should go up and Fulton and Murodjon. This two has divided the belt amongst them, so clearly that will be the target of Inoue and this could be his 4th weight class with a belt.

Yeah, stepping up is one of the things he has to do to make his career more colorful.

If he just keeps on dominating his current weight level, there's really a need for him to do either going up or lower down. Just like what Manny Pacquiao did.

But this time, it's not a Filipino fighter that's doing it but a strong japanese boxer.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

It seems to me that upset is unlikely to happen here.
We have seen how Inoue and Butler performed inside the ring.
But in case, we don't know their strategic plans to counter Inoue.
But the probability of Inoue winning this match for me is also high.
Now, for Inoue bettors, you can choose which round this will end... Wink

I'd see the prime momentum of Inoue this time, winning is quite possible. The rematch between Inoue and Donaire could somewhat prove that he is really a monster of its current level. And I see this fight as not really a big challenge for him as he once fought heavy fighters and world title-bought.
Paul must be careful with him otherwise, early knockdown is possible to happen in early rounds.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

that's it , Inoue will surely win here and this is just a proper way of showing how he really deserve those titles .

I can feel that Naoya might be coming like Manny Pacquiao in the future to hold multiple belts in how many divisions , 8 maybe? or better?

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No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

His camp already knew that , but it is just a privilege for a boxer like him to face such big name and monster in side the ring.

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Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

and that is something he must be thankful , from this he will earn another reputation and popularity as he faced one of the most feared boxer in His division .

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A mismatch? An easy win for Inoue? Not even a big challenge for Inoue? Can't blame some people's view about the match as the distance between Naoya Inoue and Paul Butler is really that wide and long gap. I can't even think of a way how Butler can survive the wrath of Inoue.

Agreed. The odds for this fight might be 1.05 for Naoya Inoue and 8.50 to 9.00 for Paul Butler. The ending will also certainly be another knockout for Inoue. Where the oddsmakers might place the over or the under might be on 7.5 rounds and they might favor the under, I reckon. However, Paul Butler was knocked out only once and it was 7 years ago. I speculate that Inoue will knock Butler on the 10th or 11th round.

Spot on mate, current odds are:

Inoue, Naoya - 1.02
Butler, Paul - 9.80

We don't have the under and over rounds, but yeah it could be +/- 7.5, I reckon.

I speculate that it might be earlier than 10th or 11th round, less than that. Butler might survived the earlier rounds, but for sure he will be soften up later and then Naoya will go for the knockout round 6th to round 9th.

@Boafeng. It appears that the speculation on Inoue vs. Fulton might become a reality hehehe. Inoue might become the next Pacman.

Former two-division world champion Naoya ‘Monster’ Inoue plans on moving up to 122 to take on super bantamweight champions Stephen Fulton and Murodjon Akhmadaliev after he finishes collecting the final belt at 118 against WBO champion Paul Butler on December 13th.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/08/naoya-inoue-wants-stephen-fulton-fight-after-paul-butler/

Not sure how big his jump to the weight classes though, I reckon maybe 4 weight classes will be enough for his body, so I disagree that he will be the next Pacquiao, hehehe.

Chances are high for him to win here and then go after Fulton. But I wanted to see him first against Murodjon Akhmadaliev, this could be an interesting fight. And if he win again they obviously Fulton will be his next target. What's scary is that he even is not on his prime yet, so he could be in a destruction path that could land him at least in the 130 - 135 lbs.

The size was also the same argument made against Manny Pacquiao. How many weight divisions was enough for his body? He began his boxing career as a flyweight fighter, however, he fought Margarito for the vacant WBC super welterweight championship after 15 years hehehe. It is not the size, I reckon. It will be age and it will depend on Inoue's desire to train and to fight in the ring.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

That signature punching KO of Inoue, the body blow. That is pretty effective on a moving target since body is a wider target and cannot bob or weave. So if ever Butler plans to dance in the ring, then this body punch is a counter for it. I haven't seen Butler to be stopped by body blow so this will be the first time if Inoue did KO him by body blow.

Yes, Inoue has stopped a lot of great fighters he face with a simply and yet big body shot. Sometimes it's a delay reaction but often times its devastated his opponent as they are wincing in pain the canvass.

But that's not Inoue only weapon, we've seen his powerful right as well, so very very hard fight for Paul Butler. And he has a weak chin that Inoue might target early. He can only dance as much as he can because Inoue knows how to cut the ring as well. So Butler needs a lot of energy to sustain that run until he is hit in the body or right in his face.

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I think he will then move up to featherweight.

I'm starting to sense that this is where he's really going and about to do. When he's already undisputed on the other division, he's not getting that much challenge anymore and he has to step up.

Not saying that the boxers he has faced and the others on that division aren't that great.

But if he's the type of boxer that's up for challenges and he's proving something to himself, that's what he must do and move up until he proves to everyone how the monster of him managed to get up to several divisions and belts.

Definitely, it doesn't make sense for him to stay at this division since he clean up it already. Winning WBSS against Donaire, and then in his last fight he knock him out. So if he beat Butler by any shape, then he should go up and Fulton and Murodjon. This two has divided the belt amongst them, so clearly that will be the target of Inoue and this could be his 4th weight class with a belt.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

That signature punching KO of Inoue, the body blow. That is pretty effective on a moving target since body is a wider target and cannot bob or weave. So if ever Butler plans to dance in the ring, then this body punch is a counter for it. I haven't seen Butler to be stopped by body blow so this will be the first time if Inoue did KO him by body blow.

Btw, here is a short clip of Butler getting KO'ed by Tete(one of his two losses). What a beautiful uppercut!

We can't say what's going to happen inside the ring but all of these prediction pointed to Inoue's winning the match before it even started. Could it be called as a lucky chance if Butler going to win against Inoue? But at what expense though or what type of blow that will going to make him win against "The Monster" of Japan's pride?

We never know but let's just wait and see at their upcoming fight on December 13. I myself can't tell if Butler has a chance though but good luck to both of them.

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I think he will then move up to featherweight.

I'm starting to sense that this is where he's really going and about to do. When he's already undisputed on the other division, he's not getting that much challenge anymore and he has to step up.

Not saying that the boxers he has faced and the others on that division aren't that great.

But if he's the type of boxer that's up for challenges and he's proving something to himself, that's what he must do and move up until he proves to everyone how the monster of him managed to get up to several divisions and belts.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

That signature punching KO of Inoue, the body blow. That is pretty effective on a moving target since body is a wider target and cannot bob or weave. So if ever Butler plans to dance in the ring, then this body punch is a counter for it. I haven't seen Butler to be stopped by body blow so this will be the first time if Inoue did KO him by body blow.

Btw, here is a short clip of Butler getting KO'ed by Tete(one of his two losses). What a beautiful uppercut!

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Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

Naoya Inoue will finish this match I think in less than 3 rounds. Referring to Inoue's way of fighting, he is always aggressive in early rounds as long as he sees an opportunity to get in. We can even hear how strong his punch is every time it connects with his opponents. That's how dangerous the Monster is.

I'm also not looking down at Paul Butler but I don't see how can he withstand Inoue's body shot that is proven lethal and dangerous. Even upset is possible in boxing, likely the chance is really slim for that to happen.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

We are just too conclusive on the fight that Butler wont last long but to consider that they are aware on who would be fighting then for sure preparations would be done.
About Casimero then lets just moved on on this one yet there were lots of issues and talks in regarding with that guy but still failed on following organization rules and
there are some health issues and stuffs and so on.

If the time comes that they would be heading face to face then so be it but not for now.Lets just see on how Butler would be facing Inoue and not falling down easily.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

Yes, regardless of who Inoue is going to face, he will have the 4 belts under his waist. Much better though if it will be the Filipino Casimero because there is more hype on it, the result might be the same.

Again, no offense to Paul and his camp, but I'm imagining that this fight might end in one body shot that Butler can't recover. There have been a lot of Inoue's victim fall for it. So if Butler has weak body, for sure one touch and he will go down and might not beat the count.

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Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

It seems to me that upset is unlikely to happen here.
We have seen how Inoue and Butler performed inside the ring.
But in case, we don't know their strategic plans to counter Inoue.
But the probability of Inoue winning this match for me is also high.
Now, for Inoue bettors, you can choose which round this will end... Wink

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It's a good opportunity for Butler to show off more on the ring so it will be disappointing if they will postpone it. It could be a mismatch but if Butler would take things seriously and prepare a lot before facing Inoue, he could have a good chance of winning. He still has a few months of training so he should learn more on how to counter and have a good defense against Inoue.

For me Inuoue checks the boxes for skills needed to win this fight - he's got a great offense and superb defense: hands up, and also great movement in the ring, can take a great punch. In addition, he has a great killer instinct. In the fight on December 13th, Inoue is going to beat Butler and become the first fighter ever to be undisputed in 2 weight classes. I think he will then move up to featherweight.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on September 01, 2022, 07:18:06 AM

Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

This fight is just considered a formality for Naoya Inoue to become the Bantamweight King.

No hate towards Paul Butler but we are just being true here. There's no upset that will happen here.

Paul Butler didn't even experience being a choice to be Inoue's next opponent. It just happened that he steal the WBO Bantamweight Title without a hard effort that's why Naoya Inoue needs to face him no matter what to finally unified all the BantamWeight titles.

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It's a good opportunity for Butler to show off more on the ring so it will be disappointing if they will postpone it. It could be a mismatch but if Butler would take things seriously and prepare a lot before facing Inoue, he could have a good chance of winning. He still has a few months of training so he should learn more on how to counter and have a good defense against Inoue.

The thing is, the other camp (Inoue's camp) will be preparing seriously too so the idea of Butler taking advantage by preparing seriously is even out. There is a chance for Butler if his punching power is enough to KO Inoue or if his strategy makes Inoue's style less effective. But if he can't do it, the next possible thing would get a draw in an early round by creating an accidental headbutt before the 4th round and render Inoue or himself unfit to continue. But of course, the fight would be a disappointment if that happens and may result in a rematch.

Do you really think that a certain camp would be minding about making use of headbutt just to make an opponent to be less effective? No one really does pretty sure will really be doing it intently.
Pretty much sure that each camp would really be totally be preparing against their opponent even though they are seeing that they are on disadvantage or on the lower place specially for Butler
when it comes to skills and power but still it doesnt mean that he wont really be able to make some shot that would take Inoue down.All does have the probabilities and it would really
just matter on how they would be fighting inside the ring.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 01, 2022, 03:12:26 PM

It's a good opportunity for Butler to show off more on the ring so it will be disappointing if they will postpone it. It could be a mismatch but if Butler would take things seriously and prepare a lot before facing Inoue, he could have a good chance of winning. He still has a few months of training so he should learn more on how to counter and have a good defense against Inoue.

The thing is, the other camp (Inoue's camp) will be preparing seriously too so the idea of Butler taking advantage by preparing seriously is even out. There is a chance for Butler if his punching power is enough to KO Inoue or if his strategy makes Inoue's style less effective. But if he can't do it, the next possible thing would get a draw in an early round by creating an accidental headbutt before the 4th round and render Inoue or himself unfit to continue. But of course, the fight would be a disappointment if that happens and may result in a rematch.

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Big blow for Butler's career if this will be postponed.

That's not good, we don't want to see that.

Quote from: bittraffic on September 01, 2022, 12:23:11 AM

This is his biggest fight so far to finally make it big, his first fight in defending the WBO title is with the Monster. Although less chance of winning, it's an opportunity to make huge pay and at the same time can grab a bit of attention from different boxing organizations. He should congratulate himself still for reaching this height.

Well, it's a unification fight, so they are staking their belts for this fight, Inoue will lose his belts if Butler will succeed here, but to be honest, I don't see it happening, the chance is very slow.

It's a good opportunity for Butler to show off more on the ring so it will be disappointing if they will postpone it. It could be a mismatch but if Butler would take things seriously and prepare a lot before facing Inoue, he could have a good chance of winning. He still has a few months of training so he should learn more on how to counter and have a good defense against Inoue.

Topic: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 43. (Read 15996 times)