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Quote from: Distinctin on September 09, 2022, 10:14:30 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on September 08, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

That's right, however, I'm pretty sure no boxer would do that, a fighter will always make sure that he is 100% conditioned when in the fight, that's the most important responsibility of a fighter, because if he would not do that, it's just like he was fighting to lose, and that does not look good.

Exactly, I really think so too that there's no such professional boxer who doesn't even bother to condition his body prior the fight, well, maybe there are some few that we can find out there but those kind of boxers are so rare. For instance, even if the boxer has almost no way of defeating his opponent, that same boxer will still train and condition himself so that his body won't suffer that much wear and tear.

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I don't see Inoue declare any fight as easy one since as I see he take them as huge threat and he always focus on his training so that he can be more better than what he perform on his last fight.

A good mentality that he has, knowing that opponent is always wanting to beat him, so he needs to make sure that he's more than prepared.

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And I think he will never think that Butler is easy for him so most provably their camp now is focusing to see the possible weakness of Butler to counter it.

Training camp always reviews tapes from the last fight and see if they can expose any possible weaknesses, from there they will setup strategy to win.

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Inoue's camp is good on this so most provably they give good insights to help him win on their match since this is also a big break to their camp if they successfully defeat Paul Butler on a match.

Inoue's camp will continue to maintain their good reputation and bring more hypes to his career, each win that he will bring adds more fame

and money so they needed to make sure that they are really taking care of everything to keep his edge high.

Inoue always makes sure that he's more prepared than his opponents. He always has a long preparation and training and the result is too visible during his fights. His camp manages him wisely and yes, they will always take advantage of the hype and will make noise out of his name which is an advantage in his career. He will surely maintain a good record by beating his next opponents.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 10, 2022, 11:12:25 AM

I don't see Inoue declare any fight as easy one since as I see he take them as huge threat and he always focus on his training so that he can be more better than what he perform on his last fight.

A good mentality that he has, knowing that opponent is always wanting to beat him, so he needs to make sure that he's more than prepared.

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And I think he will never think that Butler is easy for him so most provably their camp now is focusing to see the possible weakness of Butler to counter it.

Training camp always reviews tapes from the last fight and see if they can expose any possible weaknesses, from there they will setup strategy to win.

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Inoue's camp is good on this so most provably they give good insights to help him win on their match since this is also a big break to their camp if they successfully defeat Paul Butler on a match.

Inoue's camp will continue to maintain their good reputation and bring more hypes to his career, each win that he will bring adds more fame

and money so they needed to make sure that they are really taking care of everything to keep his edge high.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 10, 2022, 07:15:57 AM

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You wouldn't really take it seriously that Inoue need not train for the fight. They are professional boxers for some time, they need to go tremendous steps that it becomes a routine for them to just wake up early to run for miles or go to a boxing gym not just for sparing.

Inoue would even watch Butler's previous fights, and his losses and will look at how he could find an opening for Butler.

Even if Inoue don't want Butler's previous fights, it could be the job of his trainer or anyone who's part of the team so that he'll just get a summary and analysis from it.

But about his roundbouts and daily exercise and jog, that's where he should focus as it's part of training and it's true that no boxer will neglect on that part just because he's too confident that he'll win against his opponent.

I don't see Inoue declare any fight as easy one since as I see he take them as huge threat and he always focus on his training so that he can be more better than what he perform on his last fight. And I think he will never think that Butler is easy for him so most provably their camp now is focusing to see the possible weakness of Butler to counter it. Inoue's camp is good on this so most provably they give good insights to help him win on their match since this is also a big break to their camp if they successfully defeat Paul Butler on a match.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 10, 2022, 07:15:57 AM

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You wouldn't really take it seriously that Inoue need not train for the fight. They are professional boxers for some time, they need to go tremendous steps that it becomes a routine for them to just wake up early to run for miles or go to a boxing gym not just for sparing.

Inoue would even watch Butler's previous fights, and his losses and will look at how he could find an opening for Butler.

Even if Inoue don't want Butler's previous fights, it could be the job of his trainer or anyone who's part of the team so that he'll just get a summary and analysis from it.

But about his roundbouts and daily exercise and jog, that's where he should focus as it's part of training and it's true that no boxer will neglect on that part just because he's too confident that he'll win against his opponent.

When it comes to training, we cannot question the work ethic of Inoue because he really give his everything to be the best in his division, that's why the outcome of his fights are very impressive. As we can see in (https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/628407), that's 20 KOs from 23 fights.

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 09, 2022, 10:57:12 PM

You wouldn't really take it seriously that Inoue need not train for the fight. They are professional boxers for some time, they need to go tremendous steps that it becomes a routine for them to just wake up early to run for miles or go to a boxing gym not just for sparing.

Inoue would even watch Butler's previous fights, and his losses and will look at how he could find an opening for Butler.

Even if Inoue don't want Butler's previous fights, it could be the job of his trainer or anyone who's part of the team so that he'll just get a summary and analysis from it.

But about his roundbouts and daily exercise and jog, that's where he should focus as it's part of training and it's true that no boxer will neglect on that part just because he's too confident that he'll win against his opponent.

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Kudos to Paul Butler for doing this. I cannot easily believe that he just signed this match-up. Is he too honorable or he's getting paid at least a million dollars in this fight or maybe both? But I am very happy that finally another undisputed championship is happening. Boxing is a little back to its glory days when champions should fight each other.

Inoue will smash Butler pretty easily. Faster, stronger, more powerful puncher, stronger chin, higher IQ, better stamina, heart and has more experience in high-level fights. Is there even an advantage that Butler has? Maybe some can say he is taller and has longer reach? But it also means he will enter the ring slimmer which is vulnerable to body punches.

As you probably know the ones that organize the fights are the promoters and not the boxers themselves, and I really think that what happened was that since boxing and pretty much all the sports world was stopped because of the pandemic the promoters decided to do their best to regain the popularity of boxing, and the best way to do this is by giving to the fans exactly what they want, and what we want is that the different champions face each other in unification fights as soon as possible, which is the reason we are seeing so many of those fights recently.

But there are cases, that boxers doesn't want to face a particular fighter, or the promoter themselves cherry picking the opponent for their fighters. So for me it's 50/50, boxers and promoters chooses who fight they want to do next. But I guess in this case, Butler has no choice, he had the belt and he was not supposed to be the fighter that Inoue is going ot face, but unfortunately Casimero lost to Butler without throwing and now he had the task to face the Monster.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 07, 2022, 11:03:33 AM

Kudos to Paul Butler for doing this. I cannot easily believe that he just signed this match-up. Is he too honorable or he's getting paid at least a million dollars in this fight or maybe both? But I am very happy that finally another undisputed championship is happening. Boxing is a little back to its glory days when champions should fight each other.

Inoue will smash Butler pretty easily. Faster, stronger, more powerful puncher, stronger chin, higher IQ, better stamina, heart and has more experience in high-level fights. Is there even an advantage that Butler has? Maybe some can say he is taller and has longer reach? But it also means he will enter the ring slimmer which is vulnerable to body punches.

As you probably know the ones that organize the fights are the promoters and not the boxers themselves, and I really think that what happened was that since boxing and pretty much all the sports world was stopped because of the pandemic the promoters decided to do their best to regain the popularity of boxing, and the best way to do this is by giving to the fans exactly what they want, and what we want is that the different champions face each other in unification fights as soon as possible, which is the reason we are seeing so many of those fights recently.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 08, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

That's right, however, I'm pretty sure no boxer would do that, a fighter will always make sure that he is 100% conditioned when in the fight, that's the most important responsibility of a fighter, because if he would not do that, it's just like he was fighting to lose, and that does not look good.

You wouldn't really take it seriously that Inoue need not train for the fight. They are professional boxers for some time, they need to go tremendous steps that it becomes a routine for them to just wake up early to run for miles or go to a boxing gym not just for sparing.

Inoue would even watch Butler's previous fights, and his losses and will look at how he could find an opening for Butler.

I don't think that Inoue has that kind of mindset of taking his opponents lightly and not taking training seriously because he know he will lose if he don't train 100% in this fight.

And his handler knows that. So maybe by now Inoue is banging those bags with power punches and same with Butler too. Both for sure will be motivated to win, but majority of us thinks the Inoue will not only win, by with a devastating knock out.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 08, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 08, 2022, 05:16:07 AM

Yep, I think Inoue would been underestimate Butler until the fight happen, even Inoue isn't serious to train his body, I still think Butler has no chance to beat Inoue.

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

What do you guys mean about not conditioned and not serious in training?
What we can see is only limited when there is a camera. We don't actually see how they seriously train themselves before every fight. Do you guys think they can focus and train in all seriousness when there's a camera facing? Coz I don't think so.
Also, no fighter in sane mind who's not very well conditioned before going to war. We might only think Inoue is underestimating his opponent because we think he is far more superior that him.

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Quote from: Distinctin on September 09, 2022, 10:14:30 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on September 08, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

That's right, however, I'm pretty sure no boxer would do that, a fighter will always make sure that he is 100% conditioned when in the fight, that's the most important responsibility of a fighter, because if he would not do that, it's just like he was fighting to lose, and that does not look good.

You wouldn't really take it seriously that Inoue need not train for the fight. They are professional boxers for some time, they need to go tremendous steps that it becomes a routine for them to just wake up early to run for miles or go to a boxing gym not just for sparing.

Inoue would even watch Butler's previous fights, and his losses and will look at how he could find an opening for Butler.

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The thing is, Inoue can withstand the punches of Donaire, which I believe punched way harder than Butler. So with that, I believe Butler's power punch isn't a problem for Inoue. But of course, it is just what I think and may be proven wrong.

and that i can believe the monster will still be victorious. one can consider this a mismatch since inoue is a top p2p boxer. inoueis built to absorb hits and counter a stronger punch. you can visually see donaire put a mass to his right cross but are just lightly taken by inoue. if it were just the kind of Fernando Montiel, the opponent will already wobble on the ground.

That is his forte, his weakness is still a mystery that can be expensive to know when boxers are trying to know it as it will just lead them into a possible defeat. Inoue has managed to master his offensive strikes as well as his defensive maneuvers while giving a counter-attack, he already knows that there will be a lot of times that he will get punched that is why he is training to absorb that punches for him to get a good counter-attack.

And as for Butler, I bet he doesn't want to find out Inoue's weakness because that means he is having a toe-to-toe fight with the monster, and Butler just probably want to fight the latter safely until he finish the whole 12-round fight.

Each boxer does have its weakness but for Inoue then it would really be just hard to determine on which is which since its still undefeated.Some been saying that his chin is brittle but its been proven out
for how many fights on how tough he is and able to withstood solid punches which do really shows that he doesnt have much that weakness.

We cant really say 100% winning chance for Inoue on here since there's always a chance of upset but basing on papers plus its recent fights then we
can actually say the gap in between fighters speaking with capabilities.

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Quote from: stadus on September 09, 2022, 01:33:10 PM

That is his forte, his weakness is still a mystery that can be expensive to know when boxers are trying to know it as it will just lead them into a possible defeat. Inoue has managed to master his offensive strikes as well as his defensive maneuvers while giving a counter-attack, he already knows that there will be a lot of times that he will get punched that is why he is training to absorb that punches for him to get a good counter-attack.

And as for Butler, I bet he doesn't want to find out Inoue's weakness because that means he is having a toe-to-toe fight with the monster, and Butler just probably want to fight the latter safely until he finish the whole 12-round fight.

If ever Butler wanted to see the weakness of Inoue, he should watch and study the first fight between Inoue and Donaire. That is the fight where Inoue is greatly damaged. If Butler's team successfully identifies Inoue's weakness through the study of the video of Inoue and Donaire's first match the next question is whether Butler has the ability to implement the strategy to exploit the possible weakness of Inoue. Since Donaire has 3cm longer reach (174 cm) than Inoue(171 cm) while Butler is 6 cm shorter in reach(165 cm)

If Butler will go head to head to nullify Inoue's reach advantage, he might be in for an early KO, and if he goes a distance, Inoue's reach advantage will surely be a problem. He can study positioning and angled punches in order to move to the side where Inoue's counter is ineffective but I think that will be very difficult because Inoue is an intelligent fighter too and mostly knows how to cut rings and opponent's angle.

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The thing is, Inoue can withstand the punches of Donaire, which I believe punched way harder than Butler. So with that, I believe Butler's power punch isn't a problem for Inoue. But of course, it is just what I think and may be proven wrong.

and that i can believe the monster will still be victorious. one can consider this a mismatch since inoue is a top p2p boxer. inoueis built to absorb hits and counter a stronger punch. you can visually see donaire put a mass to his right cross but are just lightly taken by inoue. if it were just the kind of Fernando Montiel, the opponent will already wobble on the ground.

That is his forte, his weakness is still a mystery that can be expensive to know when boxers are trying to know it as it will just lead them into a possible defeat. Inoue has managed to master his offensive strikes as well as his defensive maneuvers while giving a counter-attack, he already knows that there will be a lot of times that he will get punched that is why he is training to absorb that punches for him to get a good counter-attack.

And as for Butler, I bet he doesn't want to find out Inoue's weakness because that means he is having a toe-to-toe fight with the monster, and Butler just probably want to fight the latter safely until he finish the whole 12-round fight.

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Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

That's right, however, I'm pretty sure no boxer would do that, a fighter will always make sure that he is 100% conditioned when in the fight, that's the most important responsibility of a fighter, because if he would not do that, it's just like he was fighting to lose, and that does not look good.

Every coach secures the health of their fighters before the fight and it is very important to them because once a fighter has a health problem then his moves are affected so it's better to prepare a 100% condition to win the match. Back to the topic, after the fight Inoue vs Donaire it seems that Naoya Inoue is unstoppable right now for users he is the favorite of this fight. Paul Butler has a good record as well but I think he can't defeat Naoya with a knock-out. But this fight is unpredictable so let's wait and see in an actual fight.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 08, 2022, 02:53:25 PM

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

That's right, however, I'm pretty sure no boxer would do that, a fighter will always make sure that he is 100% conditioned when in the fight, that's the most important responsibility of a fighter, because if he would not do that, it's just like he was fighting to lose, and that does not look good.

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that 1 inch advantage is nothing if we will compare to what are the advantages of Inoue against Butler .

from the stamina and experiences ? and from whom He defeated ? I'm sure that inch means nothing to this Monster from japan , he is not afraid of anyone and he had proven that from defeating one of the toughest in that division Nonito Donaire so there is no one can hinder Him from taking another momentum .since this is a professional fight and have certain weight division, of course the height difference wouldn't really big. I'd say reach is an advantage since boxer with longer hand will easier to hit his opponent than the boxer with short hand.

In general height is nothing in boxing,

Indeed height is nothing but the reach is. It's that it is normal for a taller fighter to have a longer reach (though there are cases where the shorter fighter has a built with an extra ordinary wider wing span and long reach) just like in this case, though Inoue is shorter, he has a longer reach at 171 cm than Butler's 165 cm.

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But no all short hand boxer is weak or can't compete with a boxer with long hand, Lomachenko already prove this.

I think it depends on the fighting style of the boxer. Loma is used to being the one with a shorter range so he adopts a fighting style that will take advantage of his reach.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on September 08, 2022, 05:16:07 AM

Yep, I think Inoue would been underestimate Butler until the fight happen, even Inoue isn't serious to train his body, I still think Butler has no chance to beat Inoue.

Lol, a conditioned fighter can easily beat the unconditioned one no matter how skillful the boxer is if the fight goes a distance. Since the player isn't fully conditioned, it will affect his stamina and strength. He might retain the skills but his stamina and strength won't be at 100% and that will affect the fight greatly.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on September 07, 2022, 11:03:33 AM

Kudos to Paul Butler for doing this. I cannot easily believe that he just signed this match-up. Is he too honorable or he's getting paid at least a million dollars in this fight or maybe both? But I am very happy that finally another undisputed championship is happening. Boxing is a little back to its glory days when champions should fight each other.

Inoue will smash Butler pretty easily. Faster, stronger, more powerful puncher, stronger chin, higher IQ, better stamina, heart and has more experience in high-level fights. Is there even an advantage that Butler has? Maybe some can say he is taller and has longer reach? But it also means he will enter the ring slimmer which is vulnerable to body punches.

Both! He is too honored to get the chance of fighting Inoue and yes, he will be paid at least few million dollars in this fight and that's guaranteed I think except for the PPV buys. Butler needs to seize this moment while he have the remaining belt that Inoue needed to be an undisputed in bantamweight, he might already know that he is nowhere close to the latter's power but he needed to endure this for the sake of the millions he could get from the fight.

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Needless to say, everyone is predicting that this is going to be a match that will be won by Inoue.

100%, or if not maybe 95%.... Inoue is gonna win here, but if you will put a bet on him, don't expect an 50-50 bet, most likely your bet will only win less than 5%.

Let's say that there's the little percentage that Butler could win. The talks are that it will be like a lucky punch that will make him win this match.

Most of the upsets in boxing are made through lucky punches Grin

Inoue is heavily favored to win, but that doesn't mean that Butler doesn't have a chance. There is always a chance and opportunity for underdogs like Butler to win. They just have to make things work and grab that little sliver of opportunity when it presents to them. Who knows, maybe Butler can knock out Inoue in one of those rounds and we will all be shocked in disbelief Cheesy

A punch that Inoue is not expecting, and that is the punch that usually hurts and could end this fight. However, we haven't seen Inoue letting his guard down. Even in the first fight against Donaire that put Inoue at bay because he has suffered a broken orbital bone, it's not enough for him to go down or quit. So it will be a combination of everything before Butler can upset Inoue.

A lucky punch is indeed the right term and what Butler needs to win this fight but based on chances, we can assume and predict that Inoue will dominate Butler in almost all rounds or even knock him out much earlier just like what Inoue did to Donaire recently. Though, we can say that Butler won't take that step because he knows that he will just end up laying down in the canvass.

Butler is not a KO artist so that lucky punch is nothing if he could not knockout Butler. In Inoue's first fight against Donaire, there are some instances that he was hit hard but he was still able to survive, this guy's stamina is very strong that's why he is called as a monster.

Indeed mate! Well, excuse me for some Butler fans here but I really do think that Butler is just way out of Inoue's league, and I reckon that he'll struggle even if it's Casimero or Donaire. Inoue is a kind of boxer who keeps on evolving, mainly now that he became a literal monster just like his alias. I won't be surprised if the fight will end early but of course that depends because I bet Butler will just run n' gun most of the time.

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The only advantage of Butler here is on the height comparison, he is 5′ 6″ while Inoue is 5′ 5″, but it's not a big deal because, for Inoue, he can make his opponent vow down, Donaire was even taller with 5′ 7" but he did not last against the monster Inoue.

that 1 inch advantage is nothing if we will compare to what are the advantages of Inoue against Butler .

from the stamina and experiences ? and from whom He defeated ? I'm sure that inch means nothing to this Monster from japan , he is not afraid of anyone and he had proven that from defeating one of the toughest in that division Nonito Donaire so there is no one can hinder Him from taking another momentum .

Inoue will just use his quickness and his opponent will get knocked out. That's the kind of outcome I'm expecting in this fight as Butler is not a legit champion who ripped the belt of a champion by beating him, we have to remember that he got the belt because the champion got disqualified and he will never get the respect of the majority of the fans until he can beat a real champion, and in this case, it's Inoue.

That's definitely the strategy, but as we saw in the previous fight of Butler, he also showed his quickness, so both of them are quick but Canelo has the advantage because of his power which is his killing punch. I know it's going to be exciting, so continue sharing your opinion regarding this fight.

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