[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 41.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 04, 2022, 05:23:32 PM

Anyway I'll bet on Naoya Inoue

The odds for Moneyline for Naoya Inoue will be obviously around close to flat 1 once crypto bookies listed this match. It's like you stake a certain amount on this fight then after the fight and Inoue wins, the same amount will be your return lol.

I even think that odds for what round Inoue might possibly Knock Out Butler will also have not that interesting odds starting from Round 1 to Round 5. No way I will consider betting late rounds for that choice.

On the Decision result in favor of Inoue, it might have a low chance of happening, and expect high odds here although that was considered a risky bet for me knowing Inoue's KO success rate. I don't know how Butler will even survive the full 12 rounds against Inoue in the first place.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on September 04, 2022, 04:49:05 PM

Inoue surely has the edge on this match, but we can't guarantee what will happen inside the ring.
This is boxing, anything can happen inside the ring and upset is always part of this sports.

Although I agree with you that upset is part of a sport, I can't really apply that upset stuff on Butler even though we do hundreds of simulations.

This is not about looking down on Butler but we are just stating some real thing that is most likely to happen once he faced "The Monster".

Quote from: TimeTeller on September 04, 2022, 04:49:05 PM

Though I am leaning on Inoue's side, but still, we can't disregard Butler's preparation.
But more than likely, this fight will be interesting to watch. I hope Butler will give a toe-to-toe fight on Inoue.

Not saying we are disregarding Butler's preparation for this fight but it's obvious that whatever preparation he will do and even though there are still lots of time left before the fight to improve what he likes to enhance, still not enough to beat the likes of Naoya Inoue.

While Butler is doing some serious preparation, obviously, Naoya Inoue is doing the same thing too as this fight will put him as the undisputed Bantamweight Champion.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on September 04, 2022, 04:49:05 PM

Inoue surely has the edge on this match, but we can't guarantee what will happen inside the ring.
This is boxing, anything can happen inside the ring and upset is always part of this sports.
Though I am leaning on Inoue's side, but still, we can't disregard Butler's preparation.
But more than likely, this fight will be interesting to watch. I hope Butler will give a toe-to-toe fight on Inoue.

even though it's box all news sites that I've read are giving a clear advantage to Naoya Inoue and honestly when that happens it's like they're predicting the future that Naoya Inoue will actually win this fight. Not to mention that I believe that when everyone favors a certain athlete, the opponent starts to feel irritated and starts to act angry and enters the fight with nerves and unfocused. even if they say: "ha, they are professional fighters, they don't have that.... " this is not true, because even in the presentation when the two fighters are together they soon lose their temper and want to go straight to the fight. Anyway I'll bet on Naoya Inoue

Quote from: jossiel on September 04, 2022, 04:15:27 PM

Yeah, exactly.

Too many things to consider by Butler and look at it as a challenge and motivation that he should throw some great punches that will prove that the fans are wrong and he's that great.

But still, we'll see it then if he's going to be that one great puncher against Inoue which we know that he can really win on this match even it's not yet started.

as I said in the post above, I didn't see any site putting Butler as a favorite, on the contrary most sites I saw are all saying that Inoue will win this fight. I also believe that Inoue will win

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The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

Most likely that will be Paul Butler's motivation here, because he is a huge underdog so his mindset should shift gear and focus that he can do it, be positive against the Monster.

So in the first couple of rounds we will see if he can stay with Inoue and that motivation and his big heart of him will be enough to counter the power of Naoya and survived the distance. But I doubt it because Inoue is truly an amazing fighter and complete and still improving every fight.

Yeah, exactly.

Too many things to consider by Butler and look at it as a challenge and motivation that he should throw some great punches that will prove that the fans are wrong and he's that great.

But still, we'll see it then if he's going to be that one great puncher against Inoue which we know that he can really win on this match even it's not yet started.

Lots had been anticipating that this would really be an easy park walk by Inoue on this fight but we are really just underestimating too much on Butler.Preparations would be surely made and Butler is fully aware

as much as we do that he would really be fighting against a tough and powerful wall considering that we arent that blind on what history does Inoue has when it comes into its previous fights.
Some do even conclude that it would only last up only 2 rounds which is something that on the real side but we dont know on how this would be ending up.
It all matters on preparation and on how these fighters would be trying out to knockdown their opponent.

Inoue surely has the edge on this match, but we can't guarantee what will happen inside the ring.
This is boxing, anything can happen inside the ring and upset is always part of this sports.
Though I am leaning on Inoue's side, but still, we can't disregard Butler's preparation.
But more than likely, this fight will be interesting to watch. I hope Butler will give a toe-to-toe fight on Inoue.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 04, 2022, 04:15:27 PM

Yeah, exactly.

Too many things to consider by Butler and look at it as a challenge and motivation that he should throw some great punches that will prove that the fans are wrong and he's that great.

But still, we'll see it then if he's going to be that one great puncher against Inoue which we know that he can really win on this match even it's not yet started.

Lots had been anticipating that this would really be an easy park walk by Inoue on this fight but we are really just underestimating too much on Butler.Preparations would be surely made and Butler is fully aware

as much as we do that he would really be fighting against a tough and powerful wall considering that we arent that blind on what history does Inoue has when it comes into its previous fights.
Some do even conclude that it would only last up only 2 rounds which is something that on the real side but we dont know on how this would be ending up.
It all matters on preparation and on how these fighters would be trying out to knockdown their opponent.

We're just fans and it's part of us to underestimate and be part of the hype. That's what fans do when we analyze and there's nothing wrong with it.

If we can just tell direct words to these players, they might even take those words as something to encourage them to show the best fighting stance that they've got.

Well, as for the others that are concluding that it will only take 2 rounds, it's on them and that's what they analyze on this match.

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Quote from: jossiel on September 03, 2022, 11:28:56 AM

The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

Most likely that will be Paul Butler's motivation here, because he is a huge underdog so his mindset should shift gear and focus that he can do it, be positive against the Monster.

So in the first couple of rounds we will see if he can stay with Inoue and that motivation and his big heart of him will be enough to counter the power of Naoya and survived the distance. But I doubt it because Inoue is truly an amazing fighter and complete and still improving every fight.

Yeah, exactly.

Too many things to consider by Butler and look at it as a challenge and motivation that he should throw some great punches that will prove that the fans are wrong and he's that great.

But still, we'll see it then if he's going to be that one great puncher against Inoue which we know that he can really win on this match even it's not yet started.

Lots had been anticipating that this would really be an easy park walk by Inoue on this fight but we are really just underestimating too much on Butler.Preparations would be surely made and Butler is fully aware

as much as we do that he would really be fighting against a tough and powerful wall considering that we arent that blind on what history does Inoue has when it comes into its previous fights.
Some do even conclude that it would only last up only 2 rounds which is something that on the real side but we dont know on how this would be ending up.
It all matters on preparation and on how these fighters would be trying out to knockdown their opponent.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 04, 2022, 03:54:26 AM

I think Butler should not go toe to toe with Inoue as he knows how powerful Inoue's punches are, if he makes one mistake, that could end the fight and he will lose via KO. The same strategy he used in his last fight, I think that's the right straight, run and score, and let the fight reach the judges' scorecards.

Then how Paul Butler will win? lol. You already mentioned that Inoue's punch is powerful and aside from that, the Japanese monster is also fast and quick. How can Butler even land a point if your advice to him is not to go toe to toe with Inoue? On the other strategy, if Butler will make an attempt of doing a marathon to try to get some points in the process, that won't likely happen as Inoue is also good at chasing those marathon boxers.

Almost all strategies that will be planned by Butler might be useless against Inoue. The Japanese Monster is unpredictable in the ring and even boxers who faced him before formed a strategy specifically to counter Inoue, those strategies weren't able to be followed in the actual fight because Inoue shows different moves from what his opponents expected him to show.

I'm really sorry to say that Butler's chance to win is zero regardless if the result is KO or Decision. The upset win doesn't apply to anyone.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 03, 2022, 04:47:11 PM

Quote from: jossiel on September 03, 2022, 11:28:56 AM

The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

Most likely that will be Paul Butler's motivation here, because he is a huge underdog so his mindset should shift gear and focus that he can do it, be positive against the Monster.

So in the first couple of rounds we will see if he can stay with Inoue and that motivation and his big heart of him will be enough to counter the power of Naoya and survived the distance. But I doubt it because Inoue is truly an amazing fighter and complete and still improving every fight.

Yeah, exactly.

Too many things to consider by Butler and look at it as a challenge and motivation that he should throw some great punches that will prove that the fans are wrong and he's that great.

But still, we'll see it then if he's going to be that one great puncher against Inoue which we know that he can really win on this match even it's not yet started.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 03, 2022, 10:12:32 AM

Inoue continues to conquer a lot of classes and divisions with his superb boxing skills. The man is really technical and knows his way around the ring. I'm not saying Paul Butler will be an easy enemy, but there is a high possibility that Inoue wins this match without much contest from the other contender. Paul Butler can train as hard as he can and study Inoue's moves in the ring as extensive as he can, but the distance between the knowledge of these two fighters is just far and wide.

I don't think that the knowledge between the two fighters has a huge gap. Experience wise I think they are even. We can't tell about ring generalship because it will be shown on the fight since even an underdog fighter can dictate the tempo of a fight. The thing that is far and wide is their boxing ability and punching power. Inoue's physical ability (punching power) greatly surpasses Paul Butler's, that is why, I think, even though Butler tries to dictate the fight tempo, Inoue will just move forward and crash him with power blows. If Butler tries to be evasive, Inoue got his signature body blow that will surely slow him down or possibly rendered him (Butler) unable to continue.

I know we all agreed that in every angle, the winning indicator points to Inoue.

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So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

Butler does not run like Rigo, so most likely Inoue can still catch him in the end. What would happen is it will take the fight longer but the result, I'm sure it will still be the same as our expectation. Anyway, an entertaining fight is just what I'm after here, so let's hope it will be fun.

Looking to see how Butler will take Inoue, sad to say that it should be Casimero first if he only manages

to take care of his weight, but nothing can be done anymore. The belt was strip already and now it's Butler's chance to fight
Inoue instead of Casimero.

I also wanted to see a toe-to-toe fight and not the same with how Rigo fought Casimero before, a warrior fighting style
would be an entertaining and enjoyable to watch.

If it is true that Casimero will go up in weight division, I think Tete would be happy enough to ask a rematch Grin

. And that would be an interesting fight for Casimero too.

Actually, I am hoping to see these matches happen but it seems impossible now.
Tete vs Inoue
Inoue vs Casimero
Casimero vs Donaire
Tete vs. Donaire.
We could have seen Tete vs. Donaire on World Boxing Super Series but Tete bailed out due to a shoulder injury.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 04, 2022, 05:32:01 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 04, 2022, 05:22:11 AM

So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

Butler does not run like Rigo, so most likely Inoue can still catch him in the end. What would happen is it will take the fight longer but the result, I'm sure it will still be the same as our expectation. Anyway, an entertaining fight is just what I'm after here, so let's hope it will be fun.

Looking to see how Butler will take Inoue, sad to say that it should be Casimero first if he only manages

to take care of his weight, but nothing can be done anymore. The belt was strip already and now it's Butler's chance to fight
Inoue instead of Casimero.

I also wanted to see a toe-to-toe fight and not the same with how Rigo fought Casimero before, a warrior fighting style
would be an entertaining and enjoyable to watch.

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Naoya Inoue is really a great boxer, besides having the absolute majority of fights ends with a knockout, which is quite rare for the lightest weight, Paul Butler of course has more experience in the ring, but he is 5 years older and it seems that he is not a favorite in this fight, unless the puncher's chance works.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 04, 2022, 05:22:11 AM

So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

Butler does not run like Rigo, so most likely Inoue can still catch him in the end. What would happen is it will take the fight longer but the result, I'm sure it will still be the same as our expectation. Anyway, an entertaining fight is just what I'm after here, so let's hope it will be fun.

The fastest in that division is not going to fight Inoue because he is not a champion anymore, he was beaten by Casimero in a split decision, so he has no business fighting Inoue. With that, Inoue is now having the easiest opponent for a unified championship fight, so it's alright to celebrate early.

What next for Inoue after this? probably we can expect that he will go up in weight, the question is, can he still dominate?

That guy will likely announce his retirement soon, as we can see on his record here;https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/492989

He had 2 consecutive losses already, one from Casimero, and the last from Vincent Astrolabio who is not even a popular fighter.
Let's just accept this fight even though it's not an anticipated one.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on September 04, 2022, 05:32:01 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 04, 2022, 05:22:11 AM

So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

Butler does not run like Rigo, so most likely Inoue can still catch him in the end. What would happen is it will take the fight longer but the result, I'm sure it will still be the same as our expectation. Anyway, an entertaining fight is just what I'm after here, so let's hope it will be fun.

The fastest in that division is not going to fight Inoue because he is not a champion anymore, he was beaten by Casimero in a split decision, so he has no business fighting Inoue. With that, Inoue is now having the easiest opponent for a unified championship fight, so it's alright to celebrate early.

What next for Inoue after this? probably we can expect that he will go up in weight, the question is, can he still dominate?

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 04, 2022, 05:22:11 AM

So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

Butler does not run like Rigo, so most likely Inoue can still catch him in the end. What would happen is it will take the fight longer but the result, I'm sure it will still be the same as our expectation. Anyway, an entertaining fight is just what I'm after here, so let's hope it will be fun.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 03, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

being the underdog in this match should give butler a very good motivation to prove the boxing community that he has something to offer also inside the ring. so either he will be very prepared on this fight or just let this fight be over and collect his paycheck. but his performance inside the ring will determine if he will get another good fight in the future, even if he will lose on inoue. now, let's wait the odds of other betting lines on this match because right now, it is not worth betting at 1.02x on inoue, right?

Even if no one is really expecting that Butler wins this fight it is very important for him to give his best performance possible, losing against Inoue is not shameful at all and in fact it is the expected outcome, but if he can lose against Inoue by giving his all and giving a good fight that is going to be enough to give him access to more and better fights, and this could also generate enough interest from the fans to want to see a second fight, but if he is completely dominated by Inoue then even if a second fight happens no one is going to be interested in watching it.

I think Butler should not go toe to toe with Inoue as he knows how powerful Inoue's punches are, if he makes one mistake, that could end the fight and he will lose via KO. The same strategy he used in his last fight, I think that's the right straight, run and score, and let the fight reach the judges' scorecards.

But he can't run the full 12 rounds, there might be some time in the fight that he needs to go toe to toe and see who has the powerful punch or who has the better chin. Inoue as well has improved his cutting the opponents ring in his last several that why he was able to corner him and them that knock out punch. So it might not be easy for Butler to do a run and gun style and for sure he will be tired as well and the fans might not like it and we can hear boos from the crowd.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2022, 10:55:58 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 03, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

being the underdog in this match should give butler a very good motivation to prove the boxing community that he has something to offer also inside the ring. so either he will be very prepared on this fight or just let this fight be over and collect his paycheck. but his performance inside the ring will determine if he will get another good fight in the future, even if he will lose on inoue. now, let's wait the odds of other betting lines on this match because right now, it is not worth betting at 1.02x on inoue, right?

Even if no one is really expecting that Butler wins this fight it is very important for him to give his best performance possible, losing against Inoue is not shameful at all and in fact it is the expected outcome, but if he can lose against Inoue by giving his all and giving a good fight that is going to be enough to give him access to more and better fights, and this could also generate enough interest from the fans to want to see a second fight, but if he is completely dominated by Inoue then even if a second fight happens no one is going to be interested in watching it.

I think Butler should not go toe to toe with Inoue as he knows how powerful Inoue's punches are, if he makes one mistake, that could end the fight and he will lose via KO. The same strategy he used in his last fight, I think that's the right straight, run and score, and let the fight reach the judges' scorecards.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 03, 2022, 06:58:38 PM

being the underdog in this match should give butler a very good motivation to prove the boxing community that he has something to offer also inside the ring. so either he will be very prepared on this fight or just let this fight be over and collect his paycheck. but his performance inside the ring will determine if he will get another good fight in the future, even if he will lose on inoue. now, let's wait the odds of other betting lines on this match because right now, it is not worth betting at 1.02x on inoue, right?

Even if no one is really expecting that Butler wins this fight it is very important for him to give his best performance possible, losing against Inoue is not shameful at all and in fact it is the expected outcome, but if he can lose against Inoue by giving his all and giving a good fight that is going to be enough to give him access to more and better fights, and this could also generate enough interest from the fans to want to see a second fight, but if he is completely dominated by Inoue then even if a second fight happens no one is going to be interested in watching it.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 03, 2022, 08:44:32 AM

It does not look good on the side of Butler, everyone is thinking that Inoue will win this, that -3300 is a big statement, big disrespect.
And hey, 97.1% chances of winning, it gives Butler an almost impossible chance to win.

As expected since the beginning and even that fight is not officially dealt with.

It's even fortunate that Paul Butler was given around 2% of winning the match Not a disrespectful comment from me just to be clear.

Even though there's a thing called "lucky punch", Butler doesn't have the strength to give a fatal blow to Inoue even if he is able to land one.

The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

Most likely that will be Paul Butler's motivation here, because he is a huge underdog so his mindset should shift gear and focus that he can do it, be positive against the Monster.

So in the first couple of rounds we will see if he can stay with Inoue and that motivation and his big heart of him will be enough to counter the power of Naoya and survived the distance. But I doubt it because Inoue is truly an amazing fighter and complete and still improving every fight.

being the underdog in this match should give butler a very good motivation to prove the boxing community that he has something to offer also inside the ring. so either he will be very prepared on this fight or just let this fight be over and collect his paycheck. but his performance inside the ring will determine if he will get another good fight in the future, even if he will lose on inoue. now, let's wait the odds of other betting lines on this match because right now, it is not worth betting at 1.02x on inoue, right?

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Quote from: jossiel on September 03, 2022, 11:28:56 AM

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Quote from: Japinat on September 03, 2022, 08:44:32 AM

It does not look good on the side of Butler, everyone is thinking that Inoue will win this, that -3300 is a big statement, big disrespect.
And hey, 97.1% chances of winning, it gives Butler an almost impossible chance to win.

As expected since the beginning and even that fight is not officially dealt with.

It's even fortunate that Paul Butler was given around 2% of winning the match Not a disrespectful comment from me just to be clear.

Even though there's a thing called "lucky punch", Butler doesn't have the strength to give a fatal blow to Inoue even if he is able to land one.

The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

Most likely that will be Paul Butler's motivation here, because he is a huge underdog so his mindset should shift gear and focus that he can do it, be positive against the Monster.

So in the first couple of rounds we will see if he can stay with Inoue and that motivation and his big heart of him will be enough to counter the power of Naoya and survived the distance. But I doubt it because Inoue is truly an amazing fighter and complete and still improving every fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 03, 2022, 10:08:58 AM

Quote from: Japinat on September 03, 2022, 08:44:32 AM

It does not look good on the side of Butler, everyone is thinking that Inoue will win this, that -3300 is a big statement, big disrespect.
And hey, 97.1% chances of winning, it gives Butler an almost impossible chance to win.

As expected since the beginning and even that fight is not officially dealt with.

It's even fortunate that Paul Butler was given around 2% of winning the match Not a disrespectful comment from me just to be clear.

Even though there's a thing called "lucky punch", Butler doesn't have the strength to give a fatal blow to Inoue even if he is able to land one.

The fan of his would also acknowledge that possible lucky punch despite all of those percentages of winning that has been shown.

Not a disrespect but this could be taken by him as a challenge and prove everyone that he's got what it takes to beat the champ. Well, that could just be his mindset upon looking at these odds and percentage that's shown to the public by many speculators.

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