Boxing: Nonito Donaire vs Jason Moloney - page 6.

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I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that. Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.

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I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

Mayweather doesn't want to lose that's why he retire, didn't give Manny a rematch and contented that no one take his 0.

As compare to the GOAT like Muhammad Ali who is willing to face the best and not afraid to lose.

So for Inoue this is yet another opportunity for him to fight for the belt win or lose and he might be looking to set another record. If Manny become the older 147 lbs champion at 40 years old, Donaire can set that record too at the bantamweight division.

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I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.

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I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.

2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 03, 2023, 03:22:03 AM

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.

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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.

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I think Bob Arum is just making an excuse here. As mentioned earlier in my original post, Moloney has a lot of options because he is ranked 1st to 3rd in the WBC, IBF, and WBO. And Donaire might be the oldest among the top bantamweight but his power is just too much in this division. The Kinahans are under suspicion for many years already and yet Bob Arum continued to work with either of them or its links. I felt like Bob just wanted Moloney to have the easier options and the easier to deal with if they want to bring the title fight to Australia. And Bob Arum seems bitter after his baby Irish sensation Michael Conlan was KTFO'd by an MTK fighter last year.

More news in this division. Vincent Astrolabio-Emmanuel Rodriguez Vacant Bantamweight Title Fight Ordered By IBF. That's left the WBA and the WBO announcing their own mandatories for their vacant belts. We will lock this thread once deals are made. Until then, everything is still alive as the decision of Moloney, Astrolabio, and Rodriguez can change any of the matchups except for the WBA whos got their own different names in the top 2.

Current and updated rankings in this division.

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greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

It's not just about the purse split. Both parties just do have their traditional political disagreements since then.

If Top Rank is just about being greedy, why do they push the Inoue vs Donaire II? It means their disagreement is not just about the money but their ego is on the highest level. That's the reason why we are unable to witness some of the expected good fights.

However, Donaire's plan to pursue the WBC Bantamweight title won't change. They are just waiting on who the opponent will be.

i have the feeling that donaire wants to hang his gloves from a winning streak. he's already in the retirement age but he's still doing good. maybe, this will be the last fight of donaire. let's see. retiring from a sports as a winner would be a good legacy to live by.
at the moment, the inoue vs donaire won't be happening anymore as inoue already moved on with his career.

I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.

Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.

But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 02, 2023, 07:47:45 PM

Nonito Donaire probably remains powerful despite his age. He can still probably knockout Moloney with a perfect counter punch, but that is becoming harder to happen. If Donaire's counter right hook is thrown at the right time and landed at the right spot, Moloney might fall to the canvas. But since that counter will also need speed to happen, the probability of it happening is lower now with an aging Donaire. If this fight ends up in a unanimous decision, Moloney is probably the winner. But betting for Donaire will still be worth it especially if he is the underdog.

Nice analysis though but if you didn't catch up yet with the latest information about this fight, Moloney's camp has officially withdrawn here due to promoter issues. Not sure what the will be next plan on Jasnon Moloney but Nonito Donaire Jr. will still pursue his plan to challenge for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.

There are rumored names of who might be the next opponent for Donaire but that was just a guess.

For now, let's wait for several days or weeks if there's progress on both Donaire and Moloney's respective plans.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on February 02, 2023, 07:47:45 PM

Nonito Donaire probably remains powerful despite his age. He can still probably knockout Moloney with a perfect counter punch, but that is becoming harder to happen. If Donaire's counter right hook is thrown at the right time and landed at the right spot, Moloney might fall to the canvas. But since that counter will also need speed to happen, the probability of it happening is lower now with an aging Donaire. If this fight ends up in a unanimous decision, Moloney is probably the winner. But betting for Donaire will still be worth it especially if he is the underdog.

It's his left hook that is dangerous, that put a lot of boxers in the canvass throughout his career, it even broke Inoue's orbital bone during their first fight. So yeah, he could probably knockout anyone if he throws it perfectly, his last two wins sandwich by a Inoue's lost are both knockout so even at this age, he is very capable and dangerous and could deliver that perfect left hook that he is known.

Unfortunately, we won't see that chance as this fight is no longer happening and Nonito could be looking for another opponent already or if WBC ordered another fight between him and other rank boxers in their organization.

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Nonito Donaire probably remains powerful despite his age. He can still probably knockout Moloney with a perfect counter punch, but that is becoming harder to happen. If Donaire's counter right hook is thrown at the right time and landed at the right spot, Moloney might fall to the canvas. But since that counter will also need speed to happen, the probability of it happening is lower now with an aging Donaire. If this fight ends up in a unanimous decision, Moloney is probably the winner. But betting for Donaire will still be worth it especially if he is the underdog.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 02, 2023, 06:27:35 PM

i have the feeling that donaire wants to hang his gloves from a winning streak. he's already in the retirement age but he's still doing good. maybe, this will be the last fight of donaire. let's see. retiring from a sports as a winner would be a good legacy to live by.

The way I see it though, it's the other way around. Donaire will still continue to fight, for let's say, he is able to get again another title. Losing is the only thing that I'm seeing as a reason that will put Donaire in a state where retirement should be considered.

I was able to say that because when he loses to Inoue during their first meetup, there's hesitation and doubt if he feels he can still fight.

And what happened next is history. Getting a title at the age of 38, 2 wins were made then losing to Inoue in a rematch.

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greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

It's not just about the purse split. Both parties just do have their traditional political disagreements since then.

If Top Rank is just about being greedy, why do they push the Inoue vs Donaire II? It means their disagreement is not just about the money but their ego is on the highest level. That's the reason why we are unable to witness some of the expected good fights.

However, Donaire's plan to pursue the WBC Bantamweight title won't change. They are just waiting on who the opponent will be.

i have the feeling that donaire wants to hang his gloves from a winning streak. he's already in the retirement age but he's still doing good. maybe, this will be the last fight of donaire. let's see. retiring from a sports as a winner would be a good legacy to live by.
at the moment, the inoue vs donaire won't be happening anymore as inoue already moved on with his career.

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greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

However, Donaire's plan to pursue the WBC Bantamweight title won't change. They are just waiting on who the opponent will be.

Still a lot of opportunities for Donaire though, that's why they are not crying over spoiled milk (both of them). It's kinda messy right now, but later we will see what this organizations will do, obviously it will be rank 1 vs rank 2. But if that opportunity does not warrant as in this case, they will have to look for better options or at least doable.

Maybe we will see an update later and perhaps this thread too once there is a clearer picture as who is going to fight who for the WBC belt that Inoue vacated. I wouldn't mind the rank 3, Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 02, 2023, 08:12:01 AM

This are two warriors, I doubt that they think they are going to lose against each other. The reason is very simply, their manager doesn't want to work with each other, so it's the boxing politics that deter this fight from happening.

The good thing is that there are other options for them, as they are also ranked in other bodies.

So they can still go and fight for the belt as they will be allowed because of Inoue's vacated all the belts. So not just WBC, maybe in WBO or IBF or WBA either of this two will find a boxer to fight.

I agree, I also think that their promoter has an issue over the reward money. I think both party don't want to give in the reason for the fight being canceled. I do not think Moloney is backing off because he is afraid of Donaire, it will be a lost income for Moloney and a lost opportunity to gain a title. It is more on the promoter of both sides having a disagreement over money split.

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greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

It's not just about the purse split. Both parties just do have their traditional political disagreements since then.

Most political disagreements is due to the interest on rewards conflict. If not he purse split, what is the issue then?

Quote from: chaser15 on February 02, 2023, 04:39:40 PM

If Top Rank is just about being greedy, why do they push the Inoue vs Donaire II? It means their disagreement is not just about the money but their ego is on the highest level. That's the reason why we are unable to witness some of the expected good fights.

Donaire's have to give in to the demand of Inoue's team because they have nothing, it is also possible that a rematch clause is included on the initial fight agreement. Inoue and Moloney are different boxer so definitely Donaire's camp will not give in if they think that the deal is disadvantageous to them.

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However, Donaire's plan to pursue the WBC Bantamweight title won't change. They are just waiting on who the opponent will be.

I hope Donaire got an opponent that he can easily deal with. Would be a good way to retire having another title in hand.

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Quote from: electronicash on February 02, 2023, 11:01:00 AM

greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

It's not just about the purse split. Both parties just do have their traditional political disagreements since then.

If Top Rank is just about being greedy, why do they push the Inoue vs Donaire II? It means their disagreement is not just about the money but their ego is on the highest level. That's the reason why we are unable to witness some of the expected good fights.

However, Donaire's plan to pursue the WBC Bantamweight title won't change. They are just waiting on who the opponent will be.

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This doesn't sound good. We're all expecting that Moloney will have no problem on this one. Who's going to be the potential match-up then if Moloney is already out for the match? Too much politics we've got nowadays even in the high ranking officials inside the big boxing organizations and promotions.

Yes many expect that fight because somehow this is good match up since it can determine on who among them is best fighter after they got defeated by Inoue. But since Moloney withdraw well this doesn't sounds very well on fans of Moloney and Donaire. For sure Donaire's camp will seek for replacement and well lets wait for the update about who will be their next target so hopefully they can get another good fight since fans expect more better from Donaire and his potential opponent.

Is Donaire's camp allowed to choose his opponent or it will be an order again from the WBO just like what they've commanded Moloney to fight against Donaire?
But I'm sure if it's going to be the pick of Donaire, they won't just pick an easy one but also a tough one to prove that he deserves the title and won't just make an easy way to get it.

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Quote from: electronicash on February 02, 2023, 11:01:00 AM

greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

Yes, they can't agree on the money split, too much on the line that Arum wanted more.

And probably it will be Emmanuel Rodriguez vs Nonito Donaire. He beat his fellow Filipino Gaballo via knockout 2 years ago. Doesn't make sense if they will fight again for the belt when the boxer already beaten the other side.

It should be more interesting and entertaining and it's most likely Emmanuel Rodriguez next for the Filipino Flash and still a doable for him.

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We will see in this match if Donaire can still fight on his usual and claim again another world title. If happened, he will be the older boxer to get a championship title.

Definitely he could fight and you are right I think he will try a few more fights before he decided to retire it would actually be a good thing to happen to win a championship at 40 but honestly it's would be a little bit difficult as Moloney is younger and faster, if Donaire would won this match it would be either on split decision and not by KO/TKO this is going to be an interesting match let's see if Donaire can still show his "The Flash" moves.

If this fight materialized then the best way for Donaire to beat Moloney is by KO/TKO. It will be hard for a 40-year-old fighter to win rounds en route to a decision victory. Donaire is not the Flash anymore according to his last fights. So Moloney will be the quicker fighter and will be winning rounds. While Donaire will wait for the counters or use his patience and timing to catch Moloney with his powerful hooks. My bet is Donaire by KO/TKO. The only way Donaire wins a decision against the younger Moloney is by knocking him down and hurting him several times and forcing the Australian into survival mode.

I got the same thought as well because Nonito Donaire is not that fast anymore like we used to see in the past and it's already evident enough that he's not that unpredictable already because his dad-days are already catching up with him and that also means that it's not good for Donaire to reach 10 rounds or a full 12-round fight because his stamina is not the same anymore like in the old days and that might give Moloney an advantage.

If Moloney will use that strategy then the winning chance of Donaire is slim, I agree that his dad-days is already affecting him and with that advantage Moloney can just do some Jabs and stay away from him.

He can just throw solid combinations and leave Donaire to chase him to try boxing him, the
only thing here is Moloney is also known to enjoy confrontations, a toe-to-toe action will give
Donaire a better chance of winning.

Well, if that will be the case in their fight then may the best man win because both of them seems to be enjoying a toe-to-toe fight and it will be a matter of who can give the stronger punch to make either one of them back out an inch and gain an advantage towards it. But I'm inclined that Moloney's camp are targeting to make the fight longer, so that Donaire will somehow lose his power when the fight starts dragging late.

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greedy grim Arum and the mafia couldn't agree on how many shares to split the money.
there are only 2 options given, Gaballo and Emmanuel Rodriguez. it must be Rodriguez then because Gaballo already fought Nonito back in 2021 and lose.

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Update:

Jason Moloney has withdraw from this fight, so this fight is cancelled.

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“The WBC has received confirmation from Top Rank that [Moloney] will not be fighting for The WBC bantamweight title,” WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman confirmed to the teams for both boxers via official letter, a copy of which was obtained by BoxingScene.com. “With this letter the process of [Moloney] vs Donaire is hereby cancelled."

https://www.boxingscene.com/jason-moloney-top-rank-no-longer-pursue-wbc-title-nonito-donaire-awaits-next-named-opponent--172190

Too bad for Moloney to not have a chance for the belt because of the 'war' between his promoter Top Rank and Nonito's Probellum.

Because Bob Arum thinks that the company, Probellum has ties with Irish Mob boss Daniel Kinahan. So let's see what route Donaire will take in order to have another belt in his waist.

This doesn't sound good. We're all expecting that Moloney will have no problem on this one. Who's going to be the potential match-up then if Moloney is already out for the match? Too much politics we've got nowadays even in the high ranking officials inside the big boxing organizations and promotions.

Yes many expect that fight because somehow this is good match up since it can determine on who among them is best fighter after they got defeated by Inoue. But since Moloney withdraw well this doesn't sounds very well on fans of Moloney and Donaire. For sure Donaire's camp will seek for replacement and well lets wait for the update about who will be their next target so hopefully they can get another good fight since fans expect more better from Donaire and his potential opponent.

More likely from the fans of Moloney since they are the one backing down from this good match.

Donaire has stood his ground regarding this fight in the convention and he says that Moloney and his camp had agreed to fight. But later on, Moloney has a change of heart and then it was known that Bob Arum doesn't like to work with Donaire's promoter.

Yes, it is obvious that Donaire will seek another opponent as a replacement for the title fight.

For now donaire will seek other opponent for sure as we all know that donaire are aiming for the belt but as of now that meloney withdraw their fight it's a sad emotional for the fans as we all know that people will also want a good fight and this fight will be one of the best fight if it will happen but I don't think so cause meloney is withdrawing th fight But if donaire's camp will find a substitute then it will be a good news.

There will still be a good fight, despite this not happening because of some boxing politics. Yes, that seems to be the next move of Donaire and Probellum, to seek another opponents for title belts. Moloney will do the same, and if there is a time that this two will have to meet again, then expect the fight to not push through. This is now the unwritten rule in boxing, if their promoters are not willing to work, then most likely big fights are not going to happen unless they meet on middle grounds of negotiations.

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