Thank you guys for participating in the discussion. For now, it's been official that #4 Alejandro Santiago was granted by the WBC the chance to fight Nonito Donaire for the vacant belt. I still think it is unfair for the #3 Raymart Gaballo who is available yet mandated to fight #2 for the chance to become mandatory on the winner between Donaire and Santiago.
I do hope Gaballo gets a crack for the WBO belt against Moloney since he is ranked #4. #2 Vincent Astrolabio and #3 Emmanuel Rodriguez are already fighting for the IBF belt.
Let us continue the discussion about Donaire at [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title .
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What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
A good opportunity to hype his name, win or lose that kind of chances will bring him into a contender category, something that most fighters are really aiming.
I like to see him trying all the best that he has to make his way to this possible title, though inside me,
it's still Donaire even he's not the same old flash but for whatever reason my trust still on him for these upcoming
fight.
It is indeed an opportunity for Donaire's new foe because the man has been upgraded suddenly to a championship fight even though his records don't actually match as he's nowhere to be found inside WBC's top 5. But who could've thought, Santiago and his camp surely didn't anticipate this to happen that they will be given a chance to showcase their boxer's talent in a championship bout.
Both Donaire and Santiago needed this opportunity to redeem themselves and to get a much higher rank in the boxing industry, apart from our speculation, let's just expect that Santiago's camp will do everything they can to study Donaire's strengths and weaknesses to somehow turn the favor on their side. By the way, there's a new thread created to discuss Donaire's fight with Santiago. Let's continue our discussion in that thread, so that the OP will lock this thread.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
A good opportunity to hype his name, win or lose that kind of chances will bring him into a contender category, something that most fighters are really aiming.
I like to see him trying all the best that he has to make his way to this possible title, though inside me,
it's still Donaire even he's not the same old flash but for whatever reason my trust still on him for these upcoming
fight.
It is indeed an opportunity for Donaire's new foe because the man has been upgraded suddenly to a championship fight even though his records don't actually match as he's nowhere to be found inside WBC's top 5. But who could've thought, Santiago and his camp surely didn't anticipate this to happen that they will be given a chance to showcase their boxer's talent in a championship bout.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
Yes, we are all glad when we heard that Donaire will have this chance again and this time against Santiago.
So no more speculation as who will be his next opponent for the belt, we though first it was Moloney and then he back out. And then there is a eliminator fight in March for 2 of the best rank as well, a Thailander and Filipino and we thought the winner will face Donaire for the belt. But we are all happy that scenario is not happening and Donaire doesn't have to wait.
With that, I guess this thread needs to be close already. Donaire already found an opponnet for a championship fight, so this fight has no chance of happening anytime soon.
This is the thread that was created - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/boxing-nonito-donaire-vs-alejandro-santiago-for-wbc-bantamweight-title-5440147
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
Yes, we are all glad when we heard that Donaire will have this chance again and this time against Santiago.
So no more speculation as who will be his next opponent for the belt, we though first it was Moloney and then he back out. And then there is a eliminator fight in March for 2 of the best rank as well, a Thailander and Filipino and we thought the winner will face Donaire for the belt. But we are all happy that scenario is not happening and Donaire doesn't have to wait.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
A good opportunity to hype his name, win or lose that kind of chances will bring him into a contender category, something that most fighters are really aiming.
I like to see him trying all the best that he has to make his way to this possible title, though inside me,
it's still Donaire even he's not the same old flash but for whatever reason my trust still on him for these upcoming
fight.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
If there was no Covid outbreak in the recent years, Donaire could've afford to have 2 fights per year while he's still a year or two below 40s but that wasn't the case before because every movements are very limited because of the outbreak and that includes their preparations and discussions to make a bout happen. Now, as time passes by, Donaire's age is continuing to add up as well and that makes him to go for the safer side where he should only fight at least once a year. And with his recent loss against Inoue, that gives him a reason not to retire because it's not a good exit for him.
The good thing is even during a pandemic, Donaire was able to settle a good fight against tough boxers after losing to Naoya Inoue in their first match.
After that loss, he snatch the WBC Bantamweight title from Nordine Ouballi and won against a rising star and prime Reymart Gaballo. He was 38 and 39 years old respectively when he did that. Both of that wins are impressively won by the 4th Round Technical Knock Out.
Another reason why he is not getting rusty in the ring as he's facing tough challengers even in old age and his body is able to keep up like he's fighting at his prime.
I'm not sure though if Donaire is thinking retirement, I never heard from him telling the public about his plans. Even after Inoue knock him out, he still want to chase greatness at 115 lbs against Estrada, but now he chance his plans.
He still wants to fight, but I believe he mentioned that he wants to retire as a champion, so he would like to get a belt again, and with what happened. I don't know anymore if Donaire can still have a championship fight soon, seems like the chance is not fair for older fighters nowadays.
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Perhaps we should give him like 2-3 years to fight or less than that before he thinks of hanging his gloves for good.
But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.
But right now, the opportunity is there so why not take it.
But he cannot wait longer, he needs to be active to have more fights and to test himself if he still can dominate in this division.
I haven't seen a boxer who quit on top though, I mean if he becomes a champion again, I doubt he will just say's no I don't want to fight again. So obviously, it's up to the result of his next fight, whether it will be against someone like Rodriguez or Gaballo.
2-3 years might be quite long enough for his career, he is already 40 years old, and once a fighter reaches that age, sooner or later his body will be very different because of the effect, the wear and tear of being in this business for many years.
You are right, there's a lot of opportunity when you are a champion, so why would a boxer retire? It doesn't make sense, if he does really say it, then I think he has a different mindset, he values his achievement more than the money he will potentially get in future fights. Of course, there are boxers who retires during their peak, just like Mayweather.
If he retires then he might lose millions of dollars in the bag since he cannot get that anymore if he decide not to take fights. So I think what he did right now is a smart move since while still he can keep accumulating while there are still big offers to you and he can make his future more secure with that. Maybe its better for OP to close this thread now since Donaire vs Moloney is no longer happening and there's nothing to discuss about more further updates regarding this match.
Well, it's a matter of decision, what happens is that everything revolves around money and not in favor of the sport, that is something that will always be noticed and more so in boxing because of the amount of money that is handled.
Our body at a certain age is not the same, it becomes very slow, it does not react as the athlete wants, but obviously we must not stop training, so that the body has a respectable level.
A young boxer will obviously have many more advantages, but the weakness will be in the lack of experience, and therein lies the clear opportunity that Nonito has to win, it is logical, this applies to any sport, the boxing federation should take advantage of the desire he has Nonito of fighting, he is motivated, they should support this initiative.
But not everything is bad:
Nonito Donaire-Alexandro Santiago Approved For Vacant WBC Title; Date, Location TBA
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BoxingScene,com has confirmed that the WBC has approved a vacant bantamweight title fight between Donaire and Mexico’s Alexandro Santiago. The pairing would satisfy the terms of the two highest ranked available contenders vying for one of the four titles left behind by former undisputed champ Naoya Inoue.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman revealed the development during a recent interview with ESPN Knockout, confirming a February 1 news break by BoxingScene.com stating that Santiago was likely next to land the title shot.
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman revealed the development during a recent interview with ESPN Knockout, confirming a February 1 news break by BoxingScene.com stating that Santiago was likely next to land the title shot.
Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/nonito-donaire-alexandro-santiago-approved-vacant-wbc-title-date-location-tba--172526
Time is running fast for Donaire, but we will have to wait when is this title eliminator between Gaballo vs Runvisai, it just says the fight will be held in US soil, but no definite date as of yet.
Wait, is the winner between Gaballo and Runvisai now the possible opponent for Nonito Donaire? Since Moloney backed out, why did the WBC instead just mandate and ordered the current rank 3 on their Bantamweight rankings to face Donaire instead?
I'm referring to Rank 3 WBC Bantamweight contender Nawaphon Kaikanha who loses to Moloney last October.
Instead of waiting for long and keeping Donaire hanging, Probelleum should rush things to deal a fight for Donaire after Moloney backed out.
hope that Donaire's side will consider this as well.
If there was no Covid outbreak in the recent years, Donaire could've afford to have 2 fights per year while he's still a year or two below 40s but that wasn't the case before because every movements are very limited because of the outbreak and that includes their preparations and discussions to make a bout happen. Now, as time passes by, Donaire's age is continuing to add up as well and that makes him to go for the safer side where he should only fight at least once a year. And with his recent loss against Inoue, that gives him a reason not to retire because it's not a good exit for him.
Good news everyone, the waiting time is over for Donaire.
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
Good news indeed for us fans of Donaire.
I think you missed the part that Santiago was the one who snatched Ancajas' IBF belt as it's Martinez who defeated Ancajas twice and dethroned the latter. Though Alejandro and Ancajas fought but it ended in a split draw, correct me if i'm wrong.
Indeed mate! And for the correction as well, @freedomgo might have missed the fact that the Ancajas vs Alejandro fight was declared draw, a split decision. After that, Ancajas managed to defeat another three challengers but was defeat by Martinez twice on the same year.
Back to the fight, I think Alejandro climbed the next weight class after that fight with Ancajas and now, he has been named to fight Donaire for the vacated belt. Not sure why he is picked because he wasn't inside the Top 5 of the WBC rankings.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
Let's just expect that mate as people will always find some way to point out that Donaire might struggle because of his age, but against Alejandro who doesn't have any good records and low KO ratio? I definitely think that Donaire got a good chance to be a champion again.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
Yes, it's going to be a big test for Donaire again, for his fans, they should be proud of what Nonito has accomplished already and this is another opportunity for him to get the belt back.
I can't remember, but this should be Donaire's 3rd term I think as a bantamweight if he will win against Santiago.
So yeah, we should support Donaire here and hoping to see if the can still pull the trigger at his age.
What a big break indeed to Alejandro Santiago's career as even ranked 6 by the WBC, he now has the opportunity to take the Bantamweight title.
A long gap age difference between Donaire and Santiago but I hope others won't just point out the age as a possible hindrance here for the former. Good to know that Donaire didn't wait for long and that the negotiation is being organized right away to set up the match for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title.
Still looking forward though for the "Filipino Flash" to winning that match. I want to see if Donaire still "has it".
Good news everyone, the waiting time is over for Donaire.
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
Good news indeed for us fans of Donaire.
I think you missed the part that Santiago was the one who snatched Ancajas' IBF belt as it's Martinez who defeated Ancajas twice and dethroned the latter. Though Alejandro and Ancajas fought but it ended in a split draw, correct me if i'm wrong.
@inthelongrun, bai please change the title of this thread as Donaire got a new opponent now in Santiago.
It is indeed a favorable match up for Donaire. With Santiago's 40% KO percentage, I do not think he is lethal for Donaire and I think Donaire is capable of receiving Santiago's power punches. The age different is noticeable but I do not think that is the issue here. I believe Donaire with his years of experience will get the vacant title for I think he has the advantage, experience and skill to beat Santiago in the upcoming fight.
Good news everyone, the waiting time is over for Donaire.
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
Good news indeed for us fans of Donaire.
I think you missed the part that Santiago was the one who snatched Ancajas' IBF belt as it's Martinez who defeated Ancajas twice and dethroned the latter. Though Alejandro and Ancajas fought but it ended in a split draw, correct me if i'm wrong.
@inthelongrun, bai please change the title of this thread as Donaire got a new opponent now in Santiago.
Good news everyone, the waiting time is over for Donaire.
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
WBC approves Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for vacant bantamweight title
In case you missed who Alejandro is or also known as Pique, he was the one who snatched Jerwin Ancajas's IBF belt and the man who defeated Gary Russell in a majority decision.
Here's his record: https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/637333
I think it's better if he would face another nationality, again as I have said, Thailand's Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai or PR's pride Emmanuel Rodriguez (who beat Jason Moloney).
I also don't want two Filipino to be in the same ring, as much as possible I also like to see other nationality to face Nonito Donaire, it give more excitement than seeing both Filipino fight, sure the title will be in a Filipinos hand who ever own the fight but it is sad to think that a fellow Filipino's record will be tarnished by another Filipino.
I want Donaire to test himself against Nawaphon Sor. Rungvisai, I think it will be a good match, Rungvisai is very aggressive and it will fit on Donaire's style. Nonito is known to have his left hook, very patented of him. But he usually used it to fighters who want's to walk him down and think that they can easily out power him.
So if Rungvisai make a lot of mistakes trying to get inside of Donaire, they for sure he will taste some of those left hook and then combo in the body. So I wouldn't be surprised if Donaire wins another knockout victory in his next fight if either Rodriguez or Rungvisai will be his opponent for the belt.
I agree with your statement. I also want to see a match between Runvisai vs Donaire though I doubt that it will happen anytime soon. If there is one thing that is a fact on this match, it is that Donaire is slowly becoming older as the years pass by. He was nicknamed the "Filipino Flash" for his speed and accuracy, though he is slowly deteriorating as the years pass by.
If the match between Rungvisai and Donaire happen in the future, this is something that I would definitely watch and gamble my money for. This is the entertainment that most would probably love due to both their aggressiveness and style on the court.
The truth is that I am very happy that Donaire is active and eager, now I don't know very well if Donaire wants to have that fight against Rungvisai, but apparently if this fight happens, nonito could do a good job with Rungvisai, the prospects of The other organizers will begin to give much more in favor of Donaire, it is something I imagine, and this regardless of what they think of his age, fortunately the advantage in boxing is that it is not like in soccer, here things can be different, experience is valued much more and they are not treated as if they were already out of fashion, one of the things that we would all like is to see Pacquiao fight again for real, but it is not possible, however we have nonito giving the face.
But there is a title eliminator first, which means that Donaire will be in a waiting period before he knows who will be his opponent for the WBC vacant belt. But the thing is that he is assured of a title shot already based on his ranking from WBC.
That's a very positive for him. He can use his time now to stay in condition and train more so he will be 100% fit when there's a fight for him. At his age, he may be considered old, but he is still waiting for another shot at becoming a champion again. I guess he will stay in this division. If he can retire as a champion, then good for him, but if not, then that's alright, as he has already achieved a lot in his career.Yes, he can use the time to continue conditioning his body and make sure that he's fit and ready once the fight already been set, when there's already a name to match for him in the title chase for the vacant position.
Donaire still have that good shot to earn what Inoue left after deciding to move up and challenge
the champ, whoever will be the opponent for Donaire, for sure fans are still going to watch and
support him.
I had just read out that Moloney had backed out.
Jason Moloney, Top Rank To No Longer Pursue WBC Title; Nonito Donaire Awaits Next Named Opponent
Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/jason-moloney-top-rank-no-longer-pursue-wbc-title-nonito-donaire-awaits-next-named-opponent--172190
But there is a title eliminator first, which means that Donaire will be in a waiting period before he knows who will be his opponent for the WBC vacant belt. But the thing is that he is assured of a title shot already based on his ranking from WBC.
That's a very positive for him. He can use his time now to stay in condition and train more so he will be 100% fit when there's a fight for him. At his age, he may be considered old, but he is still waiting for another shot at becoming a champion again. I guess he will stay in this division. If he can retire as a champion, then good for him, but if not, then that's alright, as he has already achieved a lot in his career.Yes, he can use the time to continue conditioning his body and make sure that he's fit and ready once the fight already been set, when there's already a name to match for him in the title chase for the vacant position.
Donaire still have that good shot to earn what Inoue left after deciding to move up and challenge
the champ, whoever will be the opponent for Donaire, for sure fans are still going to watch and
support him.
yes , Donaire seems like limiting his fight with 1 fight a year , maybe extending the fighting will improve his ranking and also His dedication , because Even Manny Pacquiao in his prime are having 2 fights a year and yes he maintain his speed and his momentum.
hope that Donaire's side will consider this as well.
hope that Donaire's side will consider this as well.
I think he should do the opposite. Why would he limit his fights to once a year? He's already old, and the longer he stays in boxing, the higher the risk he will lose due to his age. I think he should have more fights so that he can accumulate more money once he retires
I am curious if Donaire was not able to save millions during his prime years. The reason why he is still fighting and risking his health. But I noticed that he seldom fights now. He seems to be selective of his opponents. Maybe Donaire only fights now when the money is worth it. After his loss to Inoue, he tried to get a title shot in the lower division in order to achieve his goal of becoming a 5-division world champion before retiring. I am surprised he was not getting that title fight knowing he is popular and a future HOFer. Maybe because Donaire's promoter Probellum is more linked to PBC and the champions are from other promoters.
An update on all the vacant belts:
WBA: Scheduled on April 8 in Japan, the belt will be contested between Takuma Inoue the brother of Naoya and Liborio Solis of Venezuela.
WBC: Nonito Donaire vs TBA
IBF: Negotiations are ongoing between Astrolabio and Rodriguez. If someone backs out Moloney is ranked 3rd
WBO: No official announcements yet. #1 Moloney backed out of his WBC slot. #2 Astrolabio and #3 Rodriguez are negotiating for the other belt. #4 Gaballo might get his chance here although there was also a WBC mandatory eliminator telling him to face Nawaphon Kaikanha of Thailand.
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